How Red Bull Destroyed Their Own Driver Line Ups

[@stevieboy666]

The Tsunoda situation is honestly laughable. They’re gonna throw a 3rd driver in 2 years at him who he’s going to beat and when it happens Red Bull will be scratching their head going, “Who do we replace Checo with”?

[@calumbishop7082]

The problem Tsunoda is that he's Honda's driver, not Red Bull's. And Honda's partnership with Red Bull won't be a thing after 2025 (hell there are even rumours that Honda are trying to position Tsunoda to replace Lance Stroll at Aston for 2026, we will see how far they get with that consider Lawrence Stroll's unwillingness to accept how terrible his son is at F1).

[@stevieboy666]

@@calumbishop7082 That’s irrelevant though. If Red Bull want him, he’ll be in Red Bull. He’s already gotten offers Haas and Sauber

[@Eriksen-wp3tv]

Tsunoda, the guy that got beaten by Gasly for 2 years and beat De Vries and Ricciardo, what an achievement to join Red Bull.

[@durodesduvo8424]

@@Eriksen-wp3tvTsunoda has some unique struggles as a Japanese manlet still learning English, yeah his first couple years were rough but he’s a prodigal talent.

[@ultimateninjanoob1]

@@Eriksen-wp3tv He matched Gasly if you watched 2022. Do not forget he missed P6 in Baku due to DRS failure. Gasly was P5. Otherwise 23-20 in points and in qualifying they were on par as well. Now not sure Gasly can match him now though.

[@kentaoji939]

How to fix Red Bull line up : *Sign Niels Koolen and Mahaveer Ragunathan*

[@spark6669]

Such a team would not be worthy for our Lord and saviour 😂

[@Aldas001]

Verstappen Koolen Dutch super team

[@ShawnFX]

LMAO, you want us RB fans to suffer for years don't you😂

[@Okuni_]

​@@Aldas001raghunatan also drives under dutch flag

[@RandomGuy37]

Tu tu du du Niels Koolen

[@Zabijsie720]

Naming the team ‘RB’ really defeats the point of trying to advertise them as an independent team

[@The_Bat_Signal]

I feel like Tsunoda should get a shot in the Red Bull if Perez gets the plug pulled. He’s been exceptional this season. Unfortunately I don’t see it happening as Honda are with Aston Martin from 2026. It may always be a case of what could have been.

[@Mike-fc9bx]

they wont promote yuki for whatever reason sadly

[@ericthomas6429]

@@Mike-fc9bx Yeah, cause the connection to Honda will be gone coming 2026, which was the main reason for him to be called up to AlphaTauri tbh.

[@Mike-fc9bx]

@@ericthomas6429 even when honda was there they didnt give him the shot

[@gerimanushi]

Max is gonna end up either joining Mercedes or Aston Martin just because of Adrian Newey, but I have a gut feeling he is going to join Mercedes giving the fact that they are more advanced in terms of wind tunnel and new 2026 engine regulations

[@sbinnala]

Sushi Tunoda won't get promoted

[@calvinstraveldreams]

The thing about Red Bull driver lineups is that Red Bull doesn’t really care about context as to why drivers succeed or fail…especially regarding mental health. Danny Ric is a classic case of this, as I would liken him to a latter day Heinz-Harald Frentzen-capable of greatness when treated as the clear team leader and given a supportive environment, but a bit more fragile under pressure than most…

[@ButHearMeOut]

RB didn't sacrifice anything in Singapore. They did what AM and Haas often do. "One of the drivers is 20s away from the points? Fuck it let's give the sponsors some screen time with a fastest lap" Kmag did the same a few laps earlier, but went wide in turn 2

[@sarcastically_hopeful]

yeah at this stage I don't think that one point is going to change the championship, and thinking that lando will always win and max will finish 2nd every race is kinda dumb, considering how many winner we have this season.

[@ButHearMeOut]

@@sarcastically_hopeful even if it does, nobody bats an eye when the other teams do it. RB just gets extra attention because of their link with RedBull

[@sarcastically_hopeful]

Alonso did it, and took a point away from from max.

[@no1washerezz]

well ask yourself this question, if verstappen was holding the fastest lap instead of norris, would RB have pitted ricciardo for fresh softs to attempt taking the fastest lap away?

[@NickyDusse]

@@no1washerezz excellent point, too many RB apologists in here.

[@ElijahHawk]

They should've dropped Perez in the summer and replaced him with Ricciardo. Then bring in Lawson to replace Ricciardo at VCARB. If Ricciardo performs, you keep him for one more season. If he doesn't, you drop him at the end of the season and replace him with Tsunoda. Then you make VCARB Lawson and Hadjar. They really made this into a massive mess that is going to blow up in their faces when they lose multiple drivers all at once.

[@patepulkkinenvtec2403]

And the reason for wanting to give Ricciardo the Red Bull seat priority? Performing worse than Tsunoda? Or is Danny's smile too good to resist?

[@ElijahHawk]

@patepulkkinenvtec2403 Red Bull thought Daniel would be better since he likes his cars in a similar set up to Max. The reason I would say you replace Perez with Ricciardo is that either way, you win. There's too much old dead weight in their team. Either Ricciardo would perform and prove Red Bull right that they do need a 2nd driver with similar characteristics, or he would underperform, and you could get rid of him and Perez in one season.

[@1997uday]

​@@patepulkkinenvtec2403who better? He cannot be worse than checo He was given a test run (I think Silverstone) and had a very good lap time, not very far away from Max. He has outperformed Yuki. Yuki can also be given the seat, but given red bull reluctance of him, Daniel wasn't a bad choice. They could have known by now whether Daniel could be competitive enough and gone for Sainz for next season. Keeping checo is costing them atp

[@miltonalejandrohernandezlo4204]

@@1997uday He has been worse than Checo since 2021, Perez was closer to Max than Ricciardo was TO NORRIS, He hasnt outperformed Yuki, Yuki is beating him in points, race pace, qualy pace, race h2h and qualy h2h, Daniel was in fact a bad choice, he was kicked out of McLaren because he got 1/3 of his team mate points, stop being stupid af

[@EliYis]

@@patepulkkinenvtec2403seems to me that it might be more of a personality issue/potential collision course between Yuki and Max that they’re looking to avoid. Both of them are known to be very strong personalities while Daniel and Max are known to get along very well together. With how toxic things already are at RBR I imagine they’d be hesitant to add another wildcard to the mix.

[@toni8003]

To play devil's advocate, big part of Perez's struggle has been the car not suiting him at all. Now even Red Bull has admitted that they made an upgrade last year that didn't work as intended and that immediately caused Perez problems and is now holding their car development this season. Let's not forget that before that upgrade last year, Perez won two races and took a punch of podiums too. If they manage to fix the car, we'll probably see 2021/2022 -Perez back. If not, his underperforming will likely continue.

[@lunalucifer3335]

did you watch Singapore

[@BolazDCZar]

2021 Pérez was still underperforming, it’s just that nobody noticed because of the title fight

[@WaveFlightSimulations]

The car has suited hime for 3 years 2022, 2023 and 2024 been too inconsistent

[@aidarsharafullin6900]

Man you need to change sound track. We r tired of the same background music, its been too long my man

[@thedailygrind8]

There’s no way the car doesn’t suit you in like 24 races, dude since Miami 23 Checo was so bad, early this season the car performance covered his deficit but once Mclaren challenged he got exposed and again went down the sprial like Miami 23, Redbulls RB20 and 19 were designed around both drivers according to Wache who’s been leading this, the car has a stable rear unlike the 21 car which was around Max, who had a slump in performance in Monza and Baku and historically those have been the two worst tracks for Max as well.

[@NicotineRosberg]

Danny’s move triggered a chain of events but the main problem ultimately lies with the management of the junior team. So Helmut Marko ways finally caught up to him. It’s always been this way. If a maverick doesn’t adapt; his approach will ultimately be his downfall. ie. Frank Williams, Patrick Head, Ron Dennis etc etc.

[@DarthBobo68]

I think you are wrong in saying someone like Carlos would come in and "instantly" be winning races along side Max. Redbull have already admitted they followed the wrong development path ignoring most of Perez input. Max is at such a high level that he was able to deal with the cars issues for a long time. The car has now plateaued and the team is chasing a new setup/config. Any other driving coming in that is not at Max' level would struggle just like Perez

[@jwork5680]

so its basically the marquez problem then?

[@unknownname6519]

​@@jwork5680yep

[@tejas3317]

Exactly 💯 💯 😂​@@jwork5680

[@muhammadfahmiizuddinshaifu2850]

​@@jwork5680yes same problem with marquez and pierre Waché already say last year max talent hide redbull problem.. right now redbull has big problem on the upgrade

[@bestwifman]

The Red Bull at is such a freak of nature that only Max can really get in tune with. But ya, it’s become so freaky that even Max has become sensitive to the way it drives. We can’t really know until we a driver other than Checo in there, but I think other would struggle similarly to how Checo has. But who knows, lots of people thought there were problems with Logan’s car (well also that he just wasn’t as good as Albon), since Williams couldn’t afford the extra upgrades like for Albon that cause r him to have such drastically poor form in comparison, but they stick Coca Cola and he’s flying no problem so maybe Carlos would super well in the Red Bull?🤷

[@ukwan]

Sorry but it isn't about Max and Carlos Jr it's psychopath Jos and Carlos Snr.. Carlos Snr would have taken no shit and Jos would never know when to stop. Disastrous honestly.

[@davorzdralo8000]

No, it has nothing to do with Jos. This is solely on Sainz Sr. ducking things up the first time around.

[@azziyt888]

jos is not innocent at all

[@davorzdralo8000]

@@azziyt888 he 100% is in this situation.

[@azziyt888]

@@davorzdralo8000 nope

[@davorzdralo8000]

@@azziyt888 OK bro, stay delusional.

[@TwoTwoFourSix]

Red Bull is imploding

[@deathbyhoneydew]

😊😊😊

[@techsilver7761]

They're going to have a long, painful McLaren-esque road ahead of them; maybe not as long, but we'll see

[@fastpace101]

It's not a secret anymore that Red Bull don't want to win the constructors championship. They value wind tunnel time more to fix the car.

[@siddhantchiring7599]

If Gabriel Bortoleto wins the f2 championship than red bull should definitely give him a chance having said that he will be both f3 and f2 champion in his very first season pretty much like piastri and lecrec

[@jehhh7794]

He's mostly going to audi

[@ivaneurope]

One problem with that thinking - he's a McLaren driver. And if Sauber couldn't strike a deal, what chance a championship rival will have at even negotiating with them?

[@ivaneurope]

@@jehhh7794 That's now not true - Sauber did try to negotiate a long-term (3-4 years) deal for Bortoleto, but McLaren wanted only a short one (2 years). Rumours are that Sauber will retain Bottas for 2025, but Audi will look to find a new driver for 2026

[@thebateman761]

Yeah mclaren would be delighted to give their talented academy driver to their biggest rival rn

[@ronaldbaker2858]

Maybe if Horner feels like really pissing off Brown & Stella.

[@TheSt1092]

Personally Ricciardo destroyed himself leaving Red Bull in the first place . He should have just accepted being Max's number 2. His McLaren stint was painful . FYI There is this crazy theory going around that Perez could retire at the end of the season and Ricciardo could be in a Red Bull next year.

[@navdeepsingh3508]

Holy shit

[@raulpetrascu2696]

That would be ignoring his time in Renault where he was doing good before he left them too

[@RegionalRadioShackManager]

If I had a dollar for every time I heard that “theory” I’d have my own F1 team by now

[@qjw9824]

His Renault stint was actually fairly goated and he did an incredible job there. The McLaren stint really killed him, but hind sight is 20/20; shoulda, coulda, woulda. He made a career call that seemed to fit him the best at the time and made him the #1 driver at Renault and when the McLaren opportunity came up, he jumped at it because of a number of reasons, especially since there team was a historically really good team, just in a bit of a slump. At the time, given the information he had available to him, it was the right call and was seemingly low risk. Had he been able to drive the McLaren it would have been incredible and looking at the team now he would be up there competing for podiums, but his style didn't gel well and we know the rest at that point.

[@M3m3l0rd12]

The Mexican GP will be our answer to Checo’s situation. Since he has been saying that either he retires or keep going for a few more seasons then retire. Since RedBull will be his last team to race for before retiring as he’s approaching the end of his career

[@xander0901]

I think the Red Bull/RB relationship is being put under a lot more scrutiny now than it was back then, so the teams have been taking concrete steps to appear as more independent entities. As part of this, RB now has its own set of investors who are pushing RB to perform well in the constructors. This goal becomes pretty difficult when you have a revolving door of young drivers. We have also seen that RB has massively struggled to develop their car, which could be heightened by efforts to show that RB and Red Bull are not collaborating on car development. Basically, the relationship between Red Bull and RB will end up looking more like Mercedes and Williams with the two sharing interests in drivers but ultimately operating as separate outfits. The days of RB being that revolving door of young talent are over.

[@drido]

Sounds morbid, but its oddly fascinating to watch how Red Bull is slowly crumbling. If Max decides to jump ship in the next few seasons, that could be the nail in the coffin.

[@qwj68boots]

Honestly, that's what is coming. He's peaked and so have they. That ship is too full of poison.

[@will6287]

2026 Red Bull lineup gonna be tricky, even hilarious if Max leave.

[@Arsen989]

No lie brother most insightful video on the Red Bull situation I’ve seen on a while.

[@DonEnzone]

Red Bull either has to have a ridiculously fast car or bring in a young driver that likes the same pointy front end style of driving that Verstappen does. They will keep developing the car in Max' direction and the gap between him and Perez will remain the same or maybe even widen. Simply because Perez' driving style is pretty much the opposite.

[@prithviraj.r5734]

Developing it in Max's preferred direction is what has got them here now, why would they want it to keep going on? If they intend to do something about their second driver dilemma, right now, it's better to listen to checo and keep bringing the car to him, chasing a new philosophy might make the car faster. The Mclaren is not a pointy car by any means but they are better than Redbull. So the "Max's philosophy is the best to get speed out of it" theory is BS to an extent

[@jwork5680]

​@prithviraj.r5734 it's kinda like the marquez situation in moto gp, marquez is so adaptable in his skills that an uncontrollable bike seems to be fine in him while his teammates can't ride it, its just that sometimes the team can't see the problem of theirs when they're winning

[@shrishpotdar343]

Well probably redbull will be in the top but won't have a championship for atleast 5 more years since a fine amount of important people have left the team Let's see what happens

[@The_ZeroLine]

It’s not caution, but the massive salaries Checo enables RBR execs to pocket + keeping Max happy that’s kept him around. It didn’t matter when the car was a sec clear of the field. Now it does.

[@Hamilton8timeChampion]

yuki deserves the promotion. how he hasn't got a chance is disgraceful

[@jaja8022]

Overrated guy

[@Hamilton8timeChampion]

@@jaja8022how

[@akselbierman6288]

You’ve completely left out the €30 million a year Perez brings in…….

[@JohnDoe-gf5he]

Where do those money come from?

[@harshith27-zy4ky]

thats pretty much what is keeping him locked, bro is just a cash cow for Milton Keynes and Horner

[@prithviraj.r5734]

@@harshith27-zy4kywhy? Redbull used to spend 250-300 million a year and used to be fine, now in the cost car era where they have to spend 140 million max, they value 30 million more? How does that make sense? Redbull got enough money way before Perez came in, hence they could afford the 300 million figures. They haven't lost as many sponsors over those years, Oracle gives them a 100 million a year alone, that plus the countless others not including ones from Perez would still easily cover their cost. Redbull have no need to chase him for money😶😶

[@O530CarrisPT_C2]

It is a poor excuse for keeping an underperforming driver.

[@prithviraj.r5734]

@@O530CarrisPT_C2 it's not the reason, it's the third driver in as many years that has issues with the car, you can't just bring a new guy in hoping it'll fix the problem, when the problem isn't the guy who's driving it but the way the car drives Not everyone's max, and 35 yr old Daniel is not even close to him, might he fare better than Perez? At occasion probably but he'll still be way off

[@The_ZeroLine]

Neither has been driving that bad. The car’s been mostly useless this season + none of their prospects are great. LL is an avg prospect at best, which is why they’ve been slow to move him in. And Hadjar has an awful mentality. They should’ve gone outside the pool when they were more attractive teams for drivers.

[@RAGHAV4882]

Weird how teams overlook their car designs flaws so frequently. GP2 engine? Yeah sure! Driver's at fault? Yeah sure. Dude you made a one trick pony.

[@kimberley3813]

Red Bull would be bleeping out radio messages all day if they had Max and Yuki in the same team. Honda may have to wait until Fernando retires to place him at Aston Martin, but year(s) out may have hampered him by then. Promoting him would have been the quickest way out of the situation, if they’re confident he’s not good enough. Drop Perez, as Red Bull’s constructor’s championship flop sat squarely with him. At VCARB, it was far less clear cut in terms of points lost as they were also failing on strategy. They could have promoted Tsunoda and put Lawson in the RB for a direct comparison between the two drivers they seem to want there. They’d better hope Tsunoda doesn’t do a Gasly and leave them, seeing the writing on the wall. If that happens, they may have another driver problem as I feel they don’t want two rookies in a team in the cost cap era… or would they hope Ricciardo would agree to come back in that case?

[@connorappleton1945]

Biggest victim of the Red Bull chopping block was Jean Eric Vergne. Toe to toe with Danny Ric throughout 2012 and 2013, was unlucky to miss out on the RB promotion in 2014, only to score triple the points the Torpedo scored in 2014, only to again miss out on the RB seat for 2015 (worked out well for them) and be dropped in favour of Max Verstappen and Carlos Sainz. Like Helmut Marko what did you have against Vergne my friend

[@impiku643]

Get lord mahaveer in rb 2nd seat

[@stralog]

Brandon Hartley: “am I a joke to you?!”😂

[@RikSeinen]

Best example of that quantity over quality mentality: there have been 38 drivers who have been fired from the Red Bull Junior Academy after just one year of being in it, simply because they didn't perform well enough quick enough. For context: McLaren has had 33 drivers in their Junior Academy in total, even founding that one seven years earlier than Red Bull.

[@chrisandbagel]

How do you know Sainz would be better than Checo in a RedBull? You say it like it’s just a fact

[@JorgeAsthetics]

Sainz is a better driver right noe

[@iFlickdown]

redbull gets two teams in f1. Stake gets to title sponsor an f1 team, but Andretti gets no shot of even joining.

[@Sahil.Thomas]

Redbull was begged to buy Minardi back in the day by f1 lol

[@jamaalwalker4140]

"Make it make sense."

[@JasonAtlas]

Supply and demand. The teams were not as valuable back then. Now they are and andretti wants in without buying a team. It's just business.

[@LordWay]

Yuki must be fuming given his performances the past 2 seasons

[@Dave11011]

The problem is Red Bull have all the data on their drivers and they are probably looking at it going, well Ricciardo didn’t do enough so they can push aside Perez and I know Lawson did ok last year when he jumped in the car but if in all his tests and sim work he was really showing massive speed Red Bull wouldn’t have waited this long, the data doesn’t lie and Lawson is not someone like a Oscar Piastri I think Lawson will end up doing 2025 and they will replace him, as they search for their next Max, the bit I don’t get is seeing Perez doesn’t like the red bull what have they got to lose in giving Ricciardo one or two races in the Red Bull , history has shown with Ricciardo that if his style matches the car he will be very fast he just can’t adapt his style to a car

[@jakublanca5535]

In a weird way I think that Tsunoda is the reason for Red Bull driver struggle, however it not being his fault. He drives for AlphaTauri/RB for 4 seasons now, in which a few more young drivers could have been given a chance. If he can't be promoted and stays only to appease Honda, is the sponsor money really worth it? They could've developed another driver to partner Max instead, they could've even put Iwasa in and comply with having a Japanese driver, all while trying another driver out. Lawson, Iwasa, Crawford or Hauger could've gotten a chance by now.

[@Knifeaddictdillon]

Your kinda blind if you think Sainz would be winning beside Max. Sainz might be a tiny improvement but your underestimating how great Max is. There would probably only be 2 or 3 drivers in the field who Max wouldn't make look like a rookie. Sainz wins once a year with Charles and that would probably be the same with Max beside him. If that

[@Matt231985uk]

Yuki Taunoda will end up at Aston Martin by 2026 with the Honda PowerUnit. Who’s know’s, maybe Max Verstappen will be there alongside him! Surely Alonso will have retired by then, and how much longer can Lawrence Stroll persist with giving his son a seat

[@Firashelou]

you forgot Vergne, he completed 3 full seasons !

[@EarlSquirrelsonn]

Keeping Perez to begin with was bad. Not replacing him with Sainz was criminal.

[@imrandarr1094]

No way Carlos would play number 2 to Max.

[@EarlSquirrelsonn]

@@imrandarr1094 he’s already playing #2 to a worse driver 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@imrandarr1094]

@@EarlSquirrelsonn That’s not necessarily true. Ferrari have treated him equally like Charles.

[@Louis_Bautista]

@@imrandarr1094 It wouldn't matter since Max would outperform him 95% of the time. Sainz is better than Checo but he's not elite either

[@leonardohernandezlugo976]

@@Louis_BautistaSainz is not better than checo 😂

[@eltoons]

Aldas please put the music you use in the background in your description as well

[@MuhammadNiz007]

Blaming Sergio entirely is unfair considering the team has pin pointed there downfall to Barcelona 2023 and it was Sergio who told them that this is wrong and they didn't listen

[@lukedanielgalon1596]

7:43 fun fact: even though this is about Redbull Nyck also gets a second chance in WEC and is performing Comes to show even despite you fail in F1 you can still perform elsewhere

[@goldenox2424]

10:00 there is the problem with sainz joining RB. They don't want anyone else to win except for Max. Perez doesn't win, or even challenge. I agree sainz should have gone to RB, but RB is managed by the Ferrari strategy team

[@srinathselvan3590]

Manifesting Daniel's return to RBR alongside Oscar Piastri👀🤞

[@ItsAVZfromCR]

Probably it’s more a money thing now a days, not performance. Whatever driver brings more money, will get the seat. It’s easy to see with Perez, Ricciardo and Tsunoda.

[@prithviraj.r5734]

why? Redbull used to spend 250-300 million a year and used to be fine, now in the cost car era where they have to spend 140 million max, they value 30 million more? How does that make sense? Redbull got enough money way before Perez came in, hence they could afford the 300 million figures. They haven't lost as many sponsors over those years, Oracle gives them a 100 million a year alone, that plus the countless others not including ones from Perez would still easily cover their cost. Redbull have no need to chase him for money😶😶

[@martindanzer2589]

I think Perez and Riccardo are only in Red Bull because of marketing, look how much shirts they sell with Perez and Riccardo. Now they got everything out of Riccardo and they drop him. Lawson is from a country where no GP is held.

[@lucvincentmetz8144]

I am somewhat on board with the idea of signing Sainz Jr. (which of course isn't going to happen anymore), since his driving style would suit the Red Bull more than Perez's and I agree on RB being more beneficial as a pure junior team as well. But I disagree on a couple of statements made: 1st Perez isn't as bad as he's looking right know. The car just isn't a good fit for him and his way of driving. In a more forgiving, less edgy machine, he would be an ideal Nr.2. Just keep in mind how he beat Max on pace fair and square on occasions, where Red Bull had a more understeery car in the past (like early 2022 fe). 2nd Yes, Colapinto's road to F1 may not look that impressive on paper, I see the point (more on that later). However, indicating that Lawson's junior career was unlikely to grant him a chance in F1 is just incorrect. Yes, he may not have been that great in F2 (again, more on that later) and he may not have won many championships, yet he was still very impressive in two top-tier racing series, namely DTM and Super Formula, only missing both championships by a bit. And keep in mind, losing out in DTM was mainly down to Kelvin van der Linde punting him out in T1 of the final race. Lawson should be a DTM champion. About Colapinto's seemingly unimpressive junior career and Lawson's unimpressive time in F2: The junior series are only equal on paper. Despite almost all of them using spec cars and engines, there have been many obvious cases, in which teams were superior or inferior to others, due to more man power, fundings etc. On the other hand, I don't think F2 is necessarily the best preparation for F1. The cars are very tricky to drive and don't really resemble a slower F1. Super Formula is much closer to that. On that note: The suggestion of a return to the "Toro Rosso cut-throat mentality" is absolutely right imo. Given that there is no real euqality in the junior series, I believe that, if there ever was a non-championship F1 race, with half the grid made up of active F1 and the other half of active F2 drivers (and not only those from the top 10 F2 standings, just a random mix), I think people would be surprised who would actually do well compared to his F1 teammate and who would not. Lawson, Bearman and Colapinto are all living proof of that, despite none of their junior careers looking extraordinary on paper. Lawson's may be F1 worthy, but not sensational. Bearman's was pretty alright, but stalled a bit recently, and Colapinto's just decent, not more than that. So taking the risk of giving young drivers a shot is definitely still worth while.

[@finn7407]

Great video and really well executed points 👍 totally agree with this

[@JnManuelAG]

Well said. I only disagree on Sainz take. He didn't want to be second driver. At least Checo is a team player and he is not rebellious enough to go against the team orders

[@magico-bl8dt]

they should just hire hulkenberg and all their problems will be solved

[@aslamnurfikri7640]

I agree with you. They missed out on Sainz and didn't promote Lawson when he proved to be as good, if not better than, as Ricciardo. From what I heard they couldn't fire Checo because Liberty Media asked them to not fire Perez fearing losing ticket sales in Mexico. I guess it is the aftermath of Didi's passing where he used to be the mediator and keeping everyone calm. Today everyone was very selfish and that clearly affects Red Bull with their staff exodus

[@RadityaPramanaPutra2001]

I agree with you. Even if Daniel can performing at RB, there is another challenge for him if he back to Red Bull, i.e. the Red Bull's internal conflict.

[@Mvpmotta]

Bro for real hates Checo haha

[@KarenTondro]

Who doesn't?

[@Aldas001]

I think you're confusing hate for criticism. There's nothing hateful about fairly criticising a driver who potentially could cost the team 2 constructors positions singlehandedly

[@sevenflowers6103]

@@Aldas001 when the team admits that they didnt listen to him when he said that baku 2023 upgrades werent very stable. its not his fault you know. how about you stop being an outsider fan and actually think about what would u have done if u were given a car with the highest performance but on a knife's edge and hence undrivable. SAME happened with mercedes at zadvoort this year and nobody talks abt it. you just like ricciardo too much and perez doesnt have a pr team and isnt as good as max to drive a not so stable car doesnt mean he is bad. give him a stable car that suits his style and he would get the points like he almost got the podium in baku. HE was definitely better than max at baku so yk he isnt someone who is performing below the caliber of someone like leclerc. please. think before you say something like that, that perez is the one who is costing them the championship. its not perez its the car and the wrong line of development they had for almost an year and a half that is costing them the championship yk. its just sad and horrible for someone with a public influence to talk things they hear from social media

[@ThePotentialFailure]

​@@sevenflowers6103 🤡

[@jmoak14]

​@@sevenflowers6103bro the car crushed 2023 and won like 8 races this year. If the car alone is so terrible lando would be leading the championship already

[@yudhabagaskara98]

One of few teams who have yet to announce their 2025 driver for now

[@JMRope]

Using RB for developing juniors is not as simple as you seem to suggest. Let's say Lawson does well there and gets promoted to Red Bull in 2026. So they put two rookies in at RB. If Max and Liam are still happy at Red Bull, there is nowhere for those juniors to go. Red Bull don't want to be developing drivers for Mercedes or Ferrari, so any promising junior either stays stuck in the junior team or goes to another team with little chance of winning races. There are only 20 seats and the drivers that have those seats want to stay there for 10, 15, 20 years. And every year there are several juniors coming through F2 and other series trying to join the club.

[@jvomkrieg]

Two word answer. Helmut Marko That geriatric crony of the dead Billionaire boss of Red Bull just screwed over tons of talent.

[@RadityaPramanaPutra2001]

Me: How many drivers that you fire? Helmut Marko: Yes.

[@siler22]

You can find okay drivers anywhere, from F2,F3 and lower to thier own academy, Nobody remembers okay teams with solid drivers,they remember who won a championship and Red Bull has done that 7 times already and can do it 8 times, drivers like Albon,Tsunoda,Lawson,Gasly,Kviyat can be found but you can't find Vettel and Verstappen and thats only thing thats important, who knows if Mclaren gets another chance for championship i expect Ferrari to go for title next season

[@captainsmoke1612]

Horner is destroying this team so hard. Just for his fragile, little ego.

[@BenediktWindisch]

Maybe its weird and Im alone with the opinion but I would have signed Bottas after this season at RedBull. Yeah his Performance started going down since Sauber but their cars were just Bad except the first half of 2022. I think Valtteri still has it in him to be a great Second driver who could Challenge Max in some Qualis as races. He proved it against the, in the statistics, best whos ever done it for years. He needs a final shot at a competitve team Also, Im a Ferrari Fan for over 2 decades now and only cheer for Charles but Colapinto is amazing. His first three races He overdelivered, drives like hes in F1 for years. Sadly there wont be a seat for him next season but we should keep an eye on him. Great talent and I cheer for him

[@AutoCAD681]

Tsunoda is just making their junior team not functioning. They kept him for too long, it is not a project because they will not promote him.

[@johnlau6749]

9:23 history gonna repeat itself. It doesn't matter how much Sainz and Max changed. Thank goodness Red Bull not signing Sainz really. U cannot expect Max to be covering the mess that happened since Danny Ric left. As for Sainz, he won't be going to Red Bull regardless. What's even laughable is that Max is experiencing the exact same frustration as Checo (not a Checo fan) facing few months back. Red Bull not listen to Checo is the absolute self destruction for the team

[@liawkhengboon127]

Red Bull has a DNA of searching for the extremely talented individual. Their culture is to all-in and make sure that 1 person is able to achieve the extreme result, better, breaking record. Same in their F1 sport. Currently, it's that 1 team principal and that 1 driver in RB and the same in VCARB (Tsunoda has been selected as The Driver) that we all have answer. The rest? The rest are/we're there to make sure the selected ones achieved their goals. The rest? The rest are not important at all, they can go as they wish.. unfortunately..

[@bl4xxun]

Who are the 5 drivers on the grid outside of Red Bull and RB that started their careers there? I could only think of gasly, sainz and albon 😊

[@mwplayer3778]

The way rb is going i dont think anyone in their right mind would join the team anymore in the future and they would most likely have to look back at the drivers they kicked out

[@LathropLdST]

Buemi helping set up JUST VERSTAPPEN'S car should tell you the clue of both RB drivers's diverging fates. DR refused to be second to him and left. SP tried not to be a second driver and was subdued with constant issues in his experimental guinea pig car so he would never mention being a champion again. Gasly was ignored when he loudly demanded a secobd chance that wasn't owed to him.

[@bolivar4537]

It's easy for rookies to look good in F1 right now when half the grid is pay drivers.

[@Toki-Ralte]

who says Tsunoda isn't good enough?!? at least he is currently more consistent and better than Perez this year..

[@harshith27-zy4ky]

bro is mid at best, he's just there to keep Honda pleased and will end up as a reserve at Aston (so they can keep Honda pleased)

[@robotmafia000]

Who says so? Red Bull does which is why they didn't promote him

[@Theotheradamyouknow]

Sergio to make retirement announcement at Mexico GP????

[@patepulkkinenvtec2403]

This is another sad story of how corporate policies and caring more about your marketability and revenue than maximizing your performance ultimately leads into worse results.

[@dmytrothecat8317]

Yeah. Pursuit of money is what is killing Red Bull. I'm pretty sure if Mateschitz was still alive, he would not allow the latest Perez contract extension

[@purpleguy3000]

It feels like the death of Dietrich was the straw that broke the camel's back. Red Bull aren't the rebellious brutal risk takers any more and instead are playing political with a brand trying to make money wherever they can, relying on stable sponsorship and brand recognition. Red Bull have forgotten that Ricciardo is a big name because they gave him a chance and now they've tarnished his image with bizarre politics and no clue how to fix things

[@Crowarr]

So they had chance to take Sainz for multiyear deal, and they decided to keep Perez because they want to take either Russel or Piastri for 2026 or even 2025.

[@etcarief]

Red Bull second team should've produce a 2nd driver that can become 1st driver since they really need to prime up the programme in the lights of recent drops in performance from Red Bull and also when Verstappen wants to drop out of F1

[@foggy9900]

seems like red bull prioritises the drivers' championship and doesnt want 2 top tier drivers for fear of them fighting for the wdc

[@kwl189]

We all know the answer is staring Red Bull in the face but they’re in total denial of it. Promote Tsunoda. Hell even going back to Albon would be a safe bet. I love Checo as a driver and personality but he’s clearly unsuited to these regulations which have exposed a lot of drivers alongside.

[@Tyrie3790]

Not too mention the sponsor money Perez and yuki brings in probably why they won’t get rid of them Perez for his poor performance and yuki for his attitude problems towards his engineers

[@annieyesiam2758]

what attitude problems? his team loves him and hes hasnt been a rookie for some time time now. he doesnt have any of that hes just normal with his engineer now get your facts straight

[@Tyrie3790]

@@annieyesiam2758 if his engineer allows him to talk to him and he’s fine with that then something’s wrong with him to

[@annieyesiam2758]

@@Tyrie3790 talk like what? like max? like alonso? like lando? liek any other driver under pressure who swears? come on now youre acting like he’s cursing every word but hes radios are normal

[@ccooper8785]

Nothing like free advertising though given the amount of column-inches they get about this.

[@denisbatista6010]

Checo is not gonna cost them anything, their car is the issue, it's just that Max is so good, that his ability was masking the shortcomings of the car. You need to stop blaming Checo. If they put Sainz or Russell in that second RedBull I'll proly be the sme result. Max is a generational talent kind like Hamilton, Senna or Schumacher and that has it's own drawbacks

[@harshith27-zy4ky]

how are people blaming Checo, even in 2023 when they had an absolute rocket ship, he still manages to finish behind Ferrari's and Aston's, Checo isnt doing himself a favor either, RBR have the audacity to use an excuse from 10 years ago just to not sign Sainz. Horner is completely humiliating himself and his drivers (more so the team)

[@gamechip06]

Imagine being so good that it's a bad thing lol

[@denisbatista6010]

Because that car was only good in the hands of Max, he is just ridiculously good, remind me about Schumacher's or Senna's teamates, they were not usually always second, except for Prost and that didn't last for too long, for obvious reasons.

[@joaom2057]

Tottaly agree

[@harshith27-zy4ky]

@@denisbatista6010 Berger was consistent and Barrichello was atleast finishing just behind schumacher in most races, Perez finished 11th in Qatar last year (was promoted to 10th after a penalty from stroll), he finished P16 and 2 laps down in Monaco the same year (after crashing into the wall)

[@B-ry1]

The media and red bull play down Tsunoda so much. It’s too obvious to not be biased. If Liam Lawson or ricaardo performed at the level he has been this season they would defo have replaced Perez by now

[@zsfekete5211]

3:32 "out of the 16 drivers who currently don't drive for either red bull or rb, 5 started their careers there". That is.... just plain wrong I think. Albon, Gasly, Sainz. That's only 3.

[@JMRope]

You claim five of the 16 drivers not currently with Red Bull started there. Ricciardo, Sainz, Gasly and Albon... who is the 5th?

[@lyricsninja7734]

Honestly, RB doesn't want to lose Max at any cost and wants to keep him happy. Both Sainz and Yuki are better than Checo, still not considered. Cz they fear that Max will get challenged on race weekends more often. And now when the team has lost the lead in constructors and drivers very much at the risk, the team is considering Russel of all the drivers. It's hilarious! It's was the same with Mercedes when Lewis was dominating, they wanted no 2 they got bottas. They kept Russel in Williams for 3 yrs. For what? The same reason.

[@f1jones544]

This is what I've been saying for at least four years. Their "driver development program" is and always has been a joke. All they they did was throw s*** against the wall and watched which of it stuck, with zero other apparently methodology. Meanwhile, Red Bull's rivals have created at least as many first time winners and they've managed in the last twenty years while grinding through a fraction of the number of drivers.

[@sevenflowers6103]

what do you mean "sacrifice riccardio race" HE WAS already 18th and couldnt be more behind, so it makes sense to pick up fastest lap in the last race of his career probably. IF they actually were this helpful, they would have tried to pick up fastest laps in all the previous races you know, but they didnt. only this race when he is retiring

[@RocketsExternal]

Franco Colapinto is getting that seat, I don’t get what the debate is anymore. Am I the only one hearing these rumors swirl?

[@nickysixx2480]

The sister team model doesn’t work. They should sell it to a team that want to win

[@randallvargas4457]

Quantity over quality for sure - they even held talks with Norris that's how desperate they were.

[@MuhammadNiz007]

Also unfair to put blame on RB about this weird dropping him because as recent news has came out it's Daniel's PR management who is doing this forcing them to not give Lawson a chance because Visa cash app was a PR management sponsor there team brought it in and they are making it difficult unfairly. They don't have a legal case but they have got PR on their side

[@minutemenhunter]

Yuki: Am I a joke to you??

[@parkmia1752]

I don't undertsand why they pulled Yuki's exit clause they obviously don't want to promote him and Audi / Alphine / Haas where looking at him. Would have saved them problems if they let him go instead of trapping him in that seat. 😅

[@johnlau6749]

What's even laughable is that Max is experiencing the exact same frustration as Checo (not a Checo fan) facing few months back. Red Bull not listen to Checo is the absolute self destruction for the team

[@divinasi0n]

0:00 "A Red Bull find themselves..." This guy loves adding extra syllables everywhere. 😅

[@carolinekelman2403]

And this is all before whether or not Max choses to leave.

[@Alex.The.Lionnnnn]

They'll put Ricciardo in Checo's seat next year.

[@tobybrinkhurst367]

Who is the two drivers I’m missing who started there career at redbull of the current grid excluding rb ans red bull I have gasly Albon Sainz

[@srinathselvan3590]

No disrespect but tell me you aren't joking about choosing Carlos Sainz Jr. over Daniel Ricciardo. Daniel would've been the right fit alongside Max. Carlos is literally unable to keep up with Charles Leclerc and he would crumble against Verstappen.

[@ExperimentProject5]

Red Bulls are simply marketing company that is so politically operated. Rich enough to buy 2 teams and don’t bother to care about core racing values that inherited from Jaguar and Minardi

[@praveenkuncheria5492]

This is a self inflicted situation from redbull. When sainz was avaipable they should have signed him. They just didnt not do it not to upset vertappen who himself is flirting with wolff. Everytop team in f1 has 2 good drivers except for redbull. It was no brainer to sign sainz. If verstappen leaves they could hav gone 4 another top driver to replace him as well.

[@andrescordero8308]

You cant call checo bad and immediately say Ricciardo is doing ok... like not even close my dear.

[@generatormike]

at the very pinnicle of every sport dominance and mediocracy is not far apart and there may be a few year window as well in F1 the car is a huge factor as well

[@TheJamonLance]

It's crazy to see how an unstoppable force last year, with the best driver and car, is shaking. They will still win the drivers championship this year but it looks bad. For those of us who didnt saw the downfall of williams, this is the example once again.

[@leongt1954]

All the car breaking regulation brought in 2022 signed the end of the Danny Ric we all saw at red bull and renault and if you look at Lawsons record it's just average he finished behind Logan Sargent and close to 100 points behind Piastri in f2