McLaren Are Clueless About Their Drivers

[@troyr3478]

Someone said..."people want Piastri to be a Bottas, while Norris is not a Hamilton". That was the most accurate statement I've heard in awhile.

[@Thebuzz12]

Exactly, to me it’s a bit of (sorry to say it) British bias with ppl calling for piastri to help Norris, Norris isn’t even that many points behind Norris and piastri’s point position is partly because the team screwed him on a couple of occasions with the strategy

[@ArtyI]

The issue is that Piastri cannot win the championship at this point. Lando can if they move Oscar out of the way give it to Oscar in writing that Lando has number 1 status until Abu Dhabi 2024 so he plays ball and bring back both championships. Then they can have them fight it out again next year

[@The_MostHigh]

Piastri will be the No1 in 2025

[@Thebuzz12]

@@ArtyI with 8 races to go and the Red Bull looking like it’s consistently the 4th fastest car, I don’t think you can ask a championship level driver to give up so easy and early, and Norris as he said himself shouldn’t have to win because piastri helps him after he got screwed by the team before they thought they could really win it

[@Yousuck00]

Norris could become a Hamilton if he wins a championship and gets a taste of victory. Then he could become ruthless like Max and just keep winning. But right now he’s too “nice” to be a WDC. He needs to stand up to the team principal & Zak Brown and tell them to support him in the championship battle.

[@albertocastillolozano5944]

People should’ve realized Oscar is savage and has that much needed selfish, title-winning mentality the second he chose to publicly humiliate Alpine 😂

[@brabhamoz6863]

That’s a good take…I’m stealing this 🤣

[@mintoxace5571]

He didn’t choose to humiliate Alpine, he just told the truth. Alpine humiliated themselves by announcing someone without a contract.

[@LordViktorHun88]

More accurate depiction is, that he had the balls to jump ship when the door was left open for him, despcite how much money Alpine put into his career before. And rightfully so, because 1. He is too good so another team would have supported him anyway and 2. Alpine were a bunch of morons by leaving that door open, among other things. They realized (with Webber) that he must be ruthless and selfish in certain situations in order (to have a chance) to win.

[@MMAli-rq8kd]

Good observation 👏🏽

[@user-gt8cr7wm8z]

Oscar: let Lando pass? I’ll drop down to 11th each race. 2026 I’ll go to RedBull

[@jonlee6794]

I feel like the last few seasons have really showed the difference between the World Champions on the grid and the "potential/future" World Champions. Lewis, Max, and Fernando don't let their emotions create mistakes. Lando and George need to get out of their heads and out of their own way. Meanwhile, Oscar's radio messages are like ice water.

[@DingLiren-nw2vj]

There have been plenty of world champions who have made emotional mistakes though. Pace matters and lando is factually faster than Oscar right now.

[@franciscoesteves1561]

George is better than Norris

[@D4C_LoveTrain1]

@@DingLiren-nw2vj he's not doing a good job showcasing that now is he.

[@DingLiren-nw2vj]

@@D4C_LoveTrain1 I don't know bro still normally outscoring and out-qualifying piastri while making up enough points per race over verstappen to win the wdc for the last few races...

[@JMO77UK]

@@DingLiren-nw2vjPiastri has had 38 races in F1 vs 120 for Lando. It’s pretty obvious Piastri has more potential.

[@kylekandel2124]

Choosing NOT to decide is STILL making a decision.

[@hshs6770]

Not making a decision is a BIG decision

[@quigglyz]

Not making a decision is preferable to making the wrong decision. Prioritizing Lando and alienating a driver with higher potential is the wrong decision.

[@peterfighter]

​@@quigglyznot prioritizing a driver with a better chance to win the title is a wrong decision.

[@DingLiren-nw2vj]

​@@quigglyzoscar is intelligent enough to swap when asked one or two times in the next few races for their teammate. If he doesn't play ball and regroup next season to fight for his own wdc I'd be very surprised, and wouldn't expect him to win an awful lot in F1

[@patepulkkinenvtec2403]

"If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice" Rush fans (the band, not the movie) will know

[@Darkforce2543]

Mclearn are a Top team with the management of a midfield team

[@luismasanchez9367]

The constructores Championship IS the only that matters, F1 IS a engineers Championship, not drivers.

[@T-CainesZR1]

​@@luismasanchez9367are gonna win that no matter what.. not thinking about the drivers championship based on the last 5 races.. is midfield thinking or non winner thinking... like MOST fans. Lando could be 53 back with 8 races left. McLaren is dropping the ball.

[@mutleyeng]

@@T-CainesZR1 tosh, they let their drivers race because it is the DRIVERS championship. fans care more about the drivers championship than teams do - they want one of their drivers to win, sure - but teams like mclaren....and williams, believe that should be down to each driver

[@elwalker9034]

Not even joking, Zac's best move is to stay out of it.

[@kevingarcia6368]

They even gaslit Lando Norris to throw away his race win to Oscar Piastri in Hungary. Ruining and tainting Oscar's first win. Shame and I condemn McLaren for that stupidest team order.

[@HabitualLine-Stepper]

People don't want Norris to race Piastri, because they don't want him to lose to Piastri.

[@jonathanb4764]

Is that why Norris has wiped the floor with Piastri for the past year and a half?

[@nerd_nato564]

​@@jonathanb4764If Norris was that dominant over Piastri, shouldn't he be consistently beating him now, instead of getting fumbling his starts? Norris is quick, but he fumbles too often when he's threatened, like Leclerc did in 2022. Norris needs more consistency before he can get priority over Piastri.

[@dpsss100]

@@jonathanb4764 You comparing someone who's had 5/6 years of experience compared to a rookie? You serious mate? and no, this season is by no means a "wiping the floor" season. I think you are conflating Ricciardo with Piastri. Just because they are both Australians doesn't mean it's the same person mate. It's not long now till Oscar starts kicking Norris' ass regularly. Watch this space.

[@Uno.Numero]

@@jonathanb4764 Norris is in what season in F1? Piastri is in his second, show what Lando did in his fifth season in F1 and Piastri will dwarf Lando's performances. Lando is a very good qualifier way better than Piastri currently that's why he's able to finish higher up than Piastri and Lando will continue to do that unless Piastri picks up his qualifying game. But when Piastri is a slot behind Lando, Lando gets beaten, so in order for Lando to beat Piastri, Lando will have to improve his race game. Simple Equation.

[@prozoomy]

Piastri has confidence now. He has his moments same as Lando. McLaren just screw up their own starts.

[@maxmagnus3793]

McLaren locked themselves out of having a #1-#2 driver pairing when they signed Piastri. Peter Windsor pointed this out as well. He is a future World Champion and likely has a higher ultimate potential. Oscar already has the better mental game, better starts and better wheel to wheel skills judging by that stunning overtake on lap 1 of Monza. More than anything, the Lando fangirls need to learn that teammate=rival is the rule in F1. Oscar has no moral obligation to take it easy on Lando and not overtake him when he has one of his bad starts. They are each other's main rivals, they are not friends out on track

[@MaCcAM40a3]

This is what people need to realise. Everyone is acting like F1 is a team sport. It is, there’s essentially 20 different teams competing for a WDC. Just because your car is the same colour doesn’t mean it’s there to help you

[@As-qz5lr]

F1 is a team sport when driver has the pace to win a championship and the other driver does not

[@lmaomoofeq]

Lando is like a Nico Rosberg for me. The latter had immense talent, talent that arguable the matched the likes of Hamilton's, Vettel's, etc, but he got emotional in the car and slipped up when it mattered the most. I think this is why Zak is hesitant to build the whole team around Lando.

[@ankitrai96]

"It's called motor racing" 😂

[@inkers3731]

“We went car racing.”

[@buildersofarchitecture42]

Nooo Michael.

[@Vlad_Dracul]

Autorennen.

[@kwameatta-nyamekye7608]

You can't expect Oscar to just move by especially down by 62 points, Lando should expect a racing driver to race

[@ChrisMisMYhandle]

@@kwameatta-nyamekye7608 he does. Lando has said himself that he doesn't want Oscar to roll over for him. I almost muted the sky commentary last weekend when Crofty was repeatedly calling for team orders. It's the worst thing for the sport

[@benhayes5396]

Team orders have always been used when a team is fighting for a championship, even quality drivers have been on the wrong end of it. Hell look at McLaren in 2007, indecisiveness in picking a lead driver allowed Kimi as the ‘lead’ Ferrari driver to pick up enough points to beat the squabbling Alonso and Hamilton. Verstappen won the 2021 Championship because Red Bull made him the clear number 1 from the get go. If you remember the call to Checo to ‘not fight’ on multiple occasions. Compare that to the ‘not fight’ order given to Lando at Hungary where he was quicker Oscar couldn’t catch and they had to change the order.

[@cjcarrizo42]

Maybe a hot take, but I think the team should focus on winning the Constructor's. With such a good car, the DC should come down to who's fastest, period.

[@yibozhao1012]

They will just take points away from each other. Having two "No.1" drivers and winning the DC at the same time is only possible if you have a one second advantage per lap car. It's extremely hard to archive and even harder for a customer team with a Mercedes engine.

[@aboy1134]

@@yibozhao1012like 2007

[@benhayes5396]

@@aboy1134literally, McLaren threw away a drivers championship by not being decisive (and also a constructors by cheating)

[@Hakumai_o7]

I don't understand how people in the F1 community are actually complaining abt this McLaren situation, as a fan. Surely, we all WANT to see Oscar and Lando race it out on track. Like wtf are we here for but to see racing? People WANT to see team orders? I've seen it all

[@ratuldeoun7228]

Everyone has these flaws. We're never REALLY satisfied.

[@georgythomas8451]

That's what happens when there are more driver fans than racing fans.

[@abirgaming1502]

Bro this is a aldas video..what else do you expect?

[@selder_7]

I think the only people asking for team orders are ones that want to see Norris win or Verstappen fail. Other than that, it’s just confusion at why McLaren isn’t doing all it can to win. As a spectacle of course it’s better to let them fight, but why would that be McLaren’s concern

[@SteWweAwesome99]

You can still enjoy the action but point out how dumb the McLaren management is in not supporting the driver who could bring them a championship this season. Had they told Piastri to hold position after turn 1 it would've been a 1-2 most likely, instead it's a 2-3. From a team perspective that's all that matters, they are in it to win it not to entertain the fans.

[@ajinkyakhanzode890]

When it comes to Sainz and Leclerc I don’t ever remember a win or a result being compromised because of them 2 fighting. I think that’s a lot of Credit to Sainz who has great relationships with mostly all of his teammates and also Leclerc for being receptive and respectful to that mentality from Sainz. I think the first few years Lando spent in that same environment with Sainz have made him soft, and here comes Oscar with his almost cutthroat mentality and amazing lap 1 moves and suddenly Lando isn’t able to respond to that!! I genuinely think it’s up to Lando as championship leader at McLaren, to bring these spectacular results and make his mark on the team, if not he’ll be left behind! Lando needs to win 2 or 3 races in a row to make McLaren take his side and close that gap in the championship!!

[@Wickey934]

Sainz and Leclerc are fighting at times, you probably just don't pay attention

[@piuthemagicman]

Man, you hit the bullseye. Reminding that Lando had it easy (edit: mentally easy, obviously) with Sainz (& Ricciardo) is a point so unbelievably many misses.

[@piuthemagicman]

​@@Wickey934Yet they've kept their relations outside the racetrack positive, as you can see how happy Sainz was for Leclerc's Monza win even though it was Sainz's birthday. That is something you'd never expect to see from Lando & Oscar.

[@bencruise3156]

@@Wickey934 i can only remember them crashing once and that was barcelona this year (barely even a crash), other than that both of them are respectful of the other and put the team first

[@tarikviaer-mcclymont5762]

​@@piuthemagicmanSainz best Lando 2wice

[@AdityaPratapSingh]

Honestly, I agree with you Mclaren don't think Lando can win this years WDC that's why they aren't imposing orders. They're seeing the potential of both drivers and, based on this years performance they will prioritize whoever performs better. Sadly for Lando it looks like it's gonna be Oscar, because Lando has been with the team for I think 5 years now and if they still don't think he is championship material, I don't think they ever will.

[@pb5x5]

But there is always a risk next years car might be rubbish. Just ask BMW, who met their targets one year, stopped the development of that car as they were over confident the following year they would challenge for the title. The car was rubbish the following year then they threw in the towel not long after that.

[@D4C_LoveTrain1]

@@pb5x5 yh this is the big problem and even Red Bull went through this in 2021. Horner mentioned they don't know how good they'll be come the new regs so put additionally resources into 2021. In 2013 RB even kept bringing upgrades late into the season so Vettel could break the win streak even though the regs were changing. Sometimes you just gotta take a chance, especially in the world of F1.

[@5150TJT]

6 years 😂😂😂

[@lukew6725]

Honestly insane that McLaren are in denial that Lando can win the WDC when all he needs to do is make up an average 8 points per race weekend on Max.

[@aidenthemessiah6389]

@@pb5x5 thing is if they don't believe he will ever win it then he will leave and get frustrated with the team when he's given them everything when he could of dipped to red bull, in seriousness how many times have McLaren frustrated a driver that driver has left and then won titles elsewhere and made McLaren look stupid

[@cyancut21]

While a horrible business decision with the commercial weight the driver‘s championship has, I really respect McLaren for basically demanding Lando to just do better and take what he needs to do himself

[@MMAli-rq8kd]

People who understand Formula 1 and it's history understand appreciate team discipline. Look up 2007 season when Kimi Raikonen won WDC with Ferrari by 1 point while Hamilton and Alonso were in McLaren civil war. I don't care for Lando Norris but there is no argument that if McLaren care to win both championships they have to carry him as a team, something Schumacher got from Ferrari in his days to the point of taking parts from his teammate's car and excluding teammates from meetings. Fans hate it and naive simpletons think it's completely unnecessary, but ruthless team mentality brings the maximum dominance allowed by resources. If someone is rooting for Verstappen, keep saying "McLaren should have two No.1 drivers and Norris doesn't deserve to be a champion"; because that helps Max.

[@cyancut21]

@@MMAli-rq8kd Absolutely Especially if the team doesn’t have a dominant car, 2014 to 2016 for example it didn’t matter how many points Hamilton and Rosberg took away from each other, it was still certain one of them would be champion…but with how close it is this year, if McLaren want to maximise their chances of taking the driver‘s championship, they need to help Norris in every way they can My point is if they don’t care like that, who am I to judge…makes for more cracking racing😂

[@MaCcAM40a3]

@@MMAli-rq8kdthe thing is, we wouldn’t be even having the conversations if Norris was just better. That’s the issue I have, in every other circumstance of clear no. 1’s and clear no. 2’s it was obvious who was better. But these two are so closely matched. People also seem to forget, Mclaren and F1 has always been ruthless. I quite like that Mclaren are essentially saying, Lando be better, we have given you a car that should be winning the championship by now, but you are the weak link currently. Everyone blaming Mclaren for poor strategy (it was really only two races), need to realise Lando has lost more points through his own mistakes

[@Niex_Knox]

​@@MaCcAM40a3 finally I can agree on a post and all its reactions. You are all right imo.

[@jga7887]

@@MaCcAM40a3 If it was just racing, and not giving each other points, why the hell did they keep blackmailing Norris to give the win to Piastri? All I see is people saying Oscar is better, Webber wants Oscar to win. So then why should Norris have given away a win, because of a bad call by Piastri's team? But Norris should not expect any sympathy from Piastri. This is why McLaren will fail, they treat their drives like shit. And no driver has a love for Mclaren

[@eastbaystreet1242]

Not making a decision is a decision. I think you touched on this: Zak knows exactly what he is doing. He is going to let two would-be number ones fight it out to see who is really top dog. It will cost them this DC, but apparently Zak is willing to pay that price.

[@michaelfierman3256]

Yeah you mentioning what Oscar is thinking now and him possibly being confused about what he should do etc, I am pretty sure he will continue making it quite clear that the best thing for him is to help nail down that WCC but at the same time the last thing he wants is Lando winning the WDC, which is, to be fair, still extremely unlikely. Great episode.

[@manblunt]

Now imagine if Piastri had the upgrade priority....

[@audreyhempburn8149]

We forget that Oscar didn't get equal footing on upgrades until Imola. Since then, both McLaren drivers scored the same amount of points. Add to that how Lando always got priority strategy coming into races (granted it's deserved as the more experienced driver). Oscar was also shafted from 4 possible wins due to bad luck, safety car timing, or mcclownin strategy. Yet mans still shows up, blesses fans with chefs kiss overtakes, and goes home. Zak knew that signing a back to back Formula Renault, F3, F2 champ will only push Lando to get better. Get us that constructors but let the best racer win.

[@mintoxace5571]

Correct.

[@Whatreally123]

If Lando wants to win the championship, he needs to do better and win. It's pathetic that he or the british expect Oscar to move over and just gift him the wins.

[@FN-jr1tn]

Blud forgot Hungary

[@jamie_michelson]

@@FN-jr1tn Yeah, why didnt he ignore team orders then? To become a champion you need to be egoistic and Norris so far isnt ruthless enough to be able to win one

[@FN-jr1tn]

@@jamie_michelson Thats a fair point tbh, maybe he felt scared about the potential reactions of McLaren and Social Media..

[@jarrodparker760]

@@FN-jr1tn Because Oscar was ahead in Hungary fair and square and the only reason they boxed Lando first was to cover for Hamilton. Would you have preferred they gave Oscar his deserved pit preference and let Lando fall to 3rd? Thats the huge difference everyone fails to realise. In Monza AND Hungary, Oscar was ahead fairly.

[@valerierodger]

It’s pathetic that people are so caught up in their hate for Lando that they don’t understand that outside of rare exceptions it takes team orders to win drivers championships.

[@TheMineA7]

My issue with McLaren is bad strategy and Norris choking. Oscar and the factory are doing a solid job. No team orders are good imo, I wanna see both fight

[@MaCcAM40a3]

See this is also a joke of a position to take, it honestly proves you haven’t actually looked at the races and seen what’s happened. There’s been two races where McLaren has made major strategy errors, Silverstone and Canada, that’s it. The rest have come down to unlucky safety cars, driver errors or just other teams being quicker. The mclaren strategy department excuse is a joke, Landos lost more point this year from his own mistakes rhan from strategy

[@TheMineA7]

@@MaCcAM40a3 Hungary? Helloooo?

[@TheMineA7]

@@MaCcAM40a3 Monza 2 stopper giving Lec a free win?

[@MaCcAM40a3]

@@TheMineA7 look at the lap times before they pit Oscar and Lando, Leclerc was slightly faster. He still had ample tyre life, you look at the photos of when they took the tyres of the mclaren at the end of the 3rd stint and they were as bad as Charles. Single stop wasn’t going to work. Hungary wasn’t a strategic effort, they maintained their 1-2, it was a conscious decision to protect Lando from Lewis, they knew he would come out infront. Hence why they asked Lando to immediately redress but he is a child and didn’t…

[@valerierodger]

@@MaCcAM40a3 Lando haters are so pathetic. Some them say he was a baby for not immediately obeying team team orders, and the rest say that the fact he obeyed team orders in the end showed that he isn’t ruthless enough to be a champion. He was making a point. _Oscar wasn’t fast enough to catch up to him._

[@theinfamousgoth]

If Oscar yields this year they will expect it next year! Lando needs to sort his Lap 1 issues and himself out. As for the Championship, 4 drivers could still win it, so let them all fight for it.

[@pabloruedaarzoz8065]

The fact that Lando has managed to set the fastest lap on the last lap of the race with mediu tyres twice in a row tells me they have a rocketship. Max could very well not win anything for the rest of the season and win his 4th title, with a car that could finish 3rd at the constructors, Oscar, George, Lewis and Charles are his biggest rivals and friends at the same time rn. And he hasn't even had that crazy of a season, this is not Alonso in 2012, but it's impressive nontheless, and maybe enough to win

[@hafenimushimba8018]

That's a great take but don't forget Sainz he's also up there

[@TheEmolano]

@@hafenimushimba8018 he's not lol. Sainz weekends with competitive pace are rarer than weekends where Perez get into Q3.

[@noobednatherium4082]

​@@TheEmolano not that rare at all but I see what you're saying

[@hayden1990lmjm]

Their relationship expired in Hungary. Londo made it difficult for the team and Oscar. Something that should had happened right away went on to long. Oscar is trying to avoid it again and basically gone this is my team now I am better. You be my number 2 or leave. I am british but Oscar will be better then lando

[@mintoxace5571]

This is the correct take mate. Oscar saw how lando acted in Hungary and has changed his demeanour accordingly. Lando brought this on himself by ruining Oscar’s first F1 win.

[@BoPunk]

I hope Piastri gets a legitimate win this year, poor guy.

[@ankitrai96]

There's nothing more sickening than team orders

[@ChrisMisMYhandle]

@@ankitrai96 exactly. I cant believe so many people are calling for it. It's British Bias for sure, and I'm British.

[@andrewhazlewood4569]

Except when one driver honours them and the other does not. As an Australian, Vettel is still persona non grata.

[@Nismo331]

@@ankitrai96 nobody likes team orders but it is a team sport and sometimes what is good for the team might not set well with drivers or fans

[@MMAli-rq8kd]

- Cheating - Crashing - Disqualification - Reliability issues - Michael Massi 😅 - That Spa "race" in the rain - Lance Stroll I can think of a hundred things more sickening that a legitimate tool in Formula 1 racing. If you're supporting Max, however, keep sabotaging McLaren. Ruthless but that's how Max wins.

[@alex_liu1]

That's how you win championships.

[@jackbloyce8296]

If McLaren don't win both championships, they have failed this season. They've arguably had the fastest car since Miami

[@DingLiren-nw2vj]

Don't discount red bull or another team taking over as fastest for the rest of the season though

[@bzilla-d4i]

It's McLaren, the only team that bollocks up more than Ferrari when it comes to strategic decisions

[@gerimanushi]

And whats funny about them is that they are continuing to keep gifting victories to the other teams 😂😂

[@rosco3]

They aint winning the drivers championship. Not the team's fault though, can't do much when your driver fails to start a race 7 times in a row

[@BrianMatei]

You need a fast car and a fast driver to make that happen. Max is still the fastest in F1 right now (even with the car deficit) and Red Bull had the fastest car for enough of the season. For McLaren to even win 1 title so soon after the disaster that was the start of 2023 is absolutely a success. Max is still in his prime and certainly not a pushover, so they’ve done a great job.

[@nickysixx2480]

Oscar has bigger balls and will take risks. This is championship quality. If Lando doesn't step up soon, Oscar will steamroll him in the following seasons.

[@rebeccacalhoun8205]

I mean while I understand Lando being frustrated, I have to say I agree with McLaren's choice to be less partial on this one. With the driver's championship deficit being what it is this season, better to focus on getting as much funding as possible for next season, maintaining the best car on the grid and using a full season's worth of races to win driver's championship next year. Not to mention, Oscar seems to be getting better and better with more experience so it could be massively beneficial to keep him happy. Also it's so much more entertaining to see them race :)

[@realistic_delinquent]

I’m fed up with pundits suggesting that McLaren is doing something wrong. It’s like everybody is engaging their Aspergers to such a degree that they forget there is a sporting event in the middle of all this. The spirit of racing is giving every race your best effort, and letting the results speak for themselves. That’s the reason there is a DRIVER’s championship at all. All this talk of political maneuvering is what makes the sport so insufferable to laypeople, and the fact that McLaren is refusing to participate is an absolute breath of fresh air. Max can win the title for all I care, McLaren are the team that made this season stimulating. They and they alone deserve praise for that.

[@patepulkkinenvtec2403]

If McLaren should not help Lando because Lando doesn't deserve the title, should Mercedes have stopped supporting Lewis in 2021 after he made rookie errors like running to gravel in Imola or having his brake magic moment in Baku? You will back your best bet to the end, that's how you win championships.

[@Igbon5]

Exactly. How can they claim they 'won' the championship if it was contrived along the way.

[@le_enforcer]

These Lando fans wouldn't cope with MotoGP, where there's barely any team orders. It's every man for himself.

[@servantofthewise2629]

McLaren only care about the constructor's

[@ashdog236]

THIS I cringe at Lando fans who want Piastri to help him, hated it with Schumi and Rubin’s, hate it now

[@anakrabanal940]

The first take that nails it. Thank you. I was tired of vomiting in my mouth every time some talking head who has clearly never been a competitor in anything in their life yapping on about team orders. As EJ said in the most recent FFS episode “you have to earn the right to ask” and Lando has not definitively earned the right to ask Oscar to roll over for him.

[@valerierodger]

Oh yes, all those Talking Heads who clearly understand F1 much better than you do are yapping on about something that is ubiquitous in this _team_ sport

[@thetruebatman4632]

The rate at which Oscar went from a rookie that was clueless about tire management, to actively humiliating his “#1 driver” teammate is pretty astonishing. And Lando is such an emotional competitor that the seeds of doubt planted by Oscar have begun to blossom. I think we’ll start to see even more mistakes from Lando as he lets it poison his mind.

[@Ropius777]

People should be happy that we have a fight at the front between two teammates. We haven't had it since Rosburg retired. It's great and part of the reason the title fight has been pretty boring is that the dominant team has had a number 1 driver(or a second driver that is so far behind they might aswell not exist). I get that everyone wants someone else to win the championship, but letting your drivers race should be celebrated, not critisized.

[@gabrielsenna9338]

"If you no longer go for a gap that exists, you're no longer a racing driver"

[@TheBaldOne]

Exactly, Lando or anyone else on the grid would've done exactly the same. Did that benefit the team? Nope. But it's called motor racing! We went motor racing Toto.

[@valerierodger]

Before you use that quote, you should really learn the context. he admitted he said that as an excuse for deliberately forcing a collision and that he had been wrong to pull that move.

[@welern2liv815]

I'm just 1 person. I've invested the last 6+ yrs of my love and passion for F1 racing in L4N. The return has been fair to okay. Something is wrong with Lando. He upset me when he disrespected F1 Champ, and Lando's elder, Nico Rosberg by ignoring his offer to discuss mental strategies useful in high pressure sporting situations. Probably shouldn't be bothered by this but why ignore help? Immaturity. "I don't need no stinking help" Lando will, mark my words, not win races and championships due to his focus on negativity. I've heard it said by analysts and commentators that he has a "glass half empty" mentality. Have you ever noticed in an auto accident, biking, skiing, etc. when danger is ahead, we tend to see it then focus on it and steer right into it? It's a thing! Focus on negativity too much, hard or for too long and results will be negative. If he doesn't change his attitude and way of thinking, ima hafta save myself and change the driver through which I invest my passion for F1.

[@stephaniecampbell6119]

Yeah Nico sent him a DM but Lando wasn’t following Nico. How many dms do you think he gets in a day from fans?. The first he probably knew about the message was Nico accounting it on sky media coverage and in the past couple of days he’s now followed Nico. Make of that what you will but saying you’re no longer a fan as he didn’t respond to a message he hadn’t likely seen is wild.

[@welern2liv815]

@@stephaniecampbell6119 I admitted that it was probably too petty to get bothered by. I said I would find a new driver due to his focus on negativity, not because he didn't respond to someone's DM. I made it a point to be clear about that. Peace to you and yours Stephanie, appreciate your insight on the IG accounts 😉

[@onestopf1]

awesome video. Could not agree more. It is up to Lando to take the #1 status this year and force the team to use Oscar as his #2, but he's falling short. Oscar on the other hand seems so focused on just driving his race and nothing else that it's going to be hard for McLaren to ignore his pace and results going into next season with a clean sheet.

[@HarisonFloyd]

Norris is a very good driver but now that he´s driving the fastest car on the grid it sort of shows that he might not be that muliti championship winner a lot of people thought he was, he´s mistake prone, hes very emotional and he can be very childish as well, and while i think with more expericence he can improve all of this is also worth noting that hes not that young anymore, already on his 6th season and with well over 100 races under his belt this could be as good as it gets, on the other hand Piastri is only on his second season and is improving extremly fast, he might hit those levels of Max, Lewis, Vettel we dont know yet. So i think Mclaren dont want to ´´clip his wings´´ this early and even risk losing him to another team in the future, because if he is the real deal and does not feel appreciate at Mclaren, he will definitely go to another team to fight for a championship

[@dannyderks9168]

You can not expect for someone who has the biggest CV in Formula 1 to be the number 2

[@F1PiranhaClub]

Piastri will be a world champ before Norris, LeClerc or Russell. He’s mentally more stable and better under pressure

[@luckymo_on]

Sure man😂

[@Matthewkongplayz]

not really, sure he might beat norris or russell. Oscar has to improve more to match charles especially at monza 2024

[@LordViktorHun88]

People said the same thing about Lando when Leclerc started to struggle in 2022. I say we will see about that, fighting for your a championship (especially your first) is a whole different ball game mentally, than just driving for podiums and occasional wins . We will see how Oscar will deal with it when he will have a genuine title chance. Other than that, you cannot tell who will win the title first, as it is mostly depends on the car.

[@nerd_nato564]

​@@MatthewkongplayzIn pace sure, in mental game I'd say he's on par with current Charles, and better than 2022 Charles. He seems to be more focused under pressure, but we'll see when he starts properly fighting for a title.

[@Matthewkongplayz]

@@nerd_nato564 i mean its not really fair if you compare piastri right now to 2022 charles, ferrari was absolute horrible + his race engineer giving him absolutely no info

[@Svengali_Fishing]

Fair take! Oscar is developing so well it could be too detrimental to curb his enthusiasm at this stage. His lap 1 overtake was overtake of the year especially when you consider the stakes

[@rocinante4609]

Team orders usually come into play when there's 1 dominant driver and a lesser teammate. Hypothetically speaking if merc were in a championship fight. They would avoid team orders as long as it's mathematically possible for both drivers to win the WDC. McLaren are in a similar situation. They will give team orders probably at some stage but doing it too early would damage the team dynamics.

[@liukin95]

As a Lando supporter, I am totally relaxed with the position McLaren have taken imo. If Lando wants McLaren to put their eggs into his basket, he needs to do better and McLaren are now demanding that Lando does better. I think whatever lessons Lando takes away from 2024, it should (we would hope) make him a better driver for 2025.

[@lx-icon]

Like.... I think the issue around this whole debate is that everyone keeps saying that McLaren don't know what they're doing/don't understand their drivers simply because they disagree with their driver strategy. McLaren DO know all this (and way more than we all do as they work with the drivers behind the scenes), and have decided that for now at least they are equals. They've been SO CLEAR that this is their desired strategy, yet everyone keeps talking about how they need to make up their minds when they clearly already have.... like, what? McLaren aren't being indecisive. They've made a decision. Some of us may not like that decision or disagree with it, but to say they haven't made one is so disingenuous.

[@tylerdurden4006]

Lando is too expensive when their other driver is the same skill level in the same car, they just wanted to stop his endless crying, seriosuly, he cried for 3 straight days after the last race...I would never want a driver like that on my team, not when my rookie is cheaper and finishing the same.

[@kickdawson]

Lando should be leading the championship at this point. This is about the 7th or 8th win he should’ve had. And he shouldn’t be relying on team orders for that.

[@jukkakorpelaa]

Cases you mentioned where David let Mika past was similar to the situation where Lando had to let Oscar pass because he was in front after turn one. Not at all related to a situation where David would have let Mika pass for the Championship. Also, Mika lost the 2000 Championship to Michael because at Ferrari, Irvine always had to allow Michael to pass If he was in front Of him. In McLaeren they had something like Papaya rules today. They lost a Championship due to it then and they will loose the DWC due to it now If they do not change - fast.

[@valerierodger]

They also lost when it was the only title they were still eligible for in 2007. both of their drivers. By a single point.

[@jukkakorpelaa]

@@valerierodger indeed!

[@DaronP.959]

i feel like this is landos only chance at a championship for a while bc if mclaren is still the best car next year I'm 100% confident oscar wins

[@hafenimushimba8018]

You're over confident remember this Norris is still a faster driver than (yeah he makes more mistakes) Norris is still the driver with the most points and points don't lie. Remember Piastri has never DNF this season, he's raced ever lap of the 16 races so far so, why doesn't he have the points to prove that he'll be the WDC Contender? I'm not saying Piastri won't be there next year I'm saying it's not yet clear that he will be.

[@DaronP.959]

@hafenimushimba8018 piastri is more consistent And when you dont have a dumb points format like nascar i feel like thats the most important factor Obviously they are both good drivers and have a fast car Rn i think piastri is better than lando and hes been in f1 for less than 2 years At the start of the season lando was better

[@noobednatherium4082]

​@@hafenimushimba8018 Piastri is faster atp let's be real, qualifying can show 1 lap pace but it certainly doesn't give you a good enough preview of race pace, look at Jarno Trulli for example.

[@ToyotaCorolla-qs7ml]

@@DaronP.959the defacit is even less than you think at the beginning because piastri didnt have the same upgrades as Norris until around Imola.

[@oliverjones2418]

You talk about the drivers championship points gap and how it’s only 8 races left but don’t forget that this gap would be much less if McLaren decided to help Norris sooner

[@KapitanPisoar1]

DC was never competitive compared to Mika...

[@ZombieDeMierda]

Mika overtaking "The Michael" , what a legend

[@patepulkkinenvtec2403]

He was before Mika's first win in Jerez 1997. After that, Mika flicked a switch and became undisputedly the stronger McLaren driver.

[@noobednatherium4082]

But Piastri is to Lando

[@matthewbell5162]

Thanks for this. So tired of everyone saying they need to just throw Oscar under the bus. Lando needs to win it. The last thing he needs is everyone to say Lando doesn't deserve the WC because there were team orders in 50% of the races.

[@lukew6725]

Fuck Oscar, Lando gave him the win in Hungary and this is how he gets repaid?

[@noobednatherium4082]

​@@lukew6725 you do realise the team bottled his strategy that's why he needed to be let by anyways right? You do right?

[@aubanurmi]

There was a great comment up here that Piastri actually saw who Norris was, because the team needed to beg give the position back. (Btw, I hoped that Norris had won the race back then, it was all on Mclaren and Norris drove great.) But at that point Piastri thought that if Norris drives that way, he can drive too and Norris wouldn't help him in the future, because the time it took to make a decision by Norris. Sparks ahead, folks. David Coulthard also mentioned, seeing it live, that he regrets giving the places back for Mika, as it stripped him from the potential championship winner mentality. Like it or not, there is rarely a champion without ruthlesness. Maybe actually Mika Häkkinen was one of the kindest and understanding there was, but even he was critisiced for his aggressivenes and even had a race ban.

[@valerierodger]

⁠@@aubanurmi it’s weird how you think Oscar would focus on the team having to beg Lando to give the position back as opposed to the fact that *Lando did give the position back.* And if you were actually paying attention to the commentary, DC originally said he shouldn’t give the position back, but as time went on, he said he was getting extremely uncomfortable and to never mind what he said, and that Lando really does have to give the position back.

[@valerierodger]

@@noobednatherium4082 you do realize he couldn’t catch up to Norris, and Norris was drawing away from him, so Norris actually had to slow considerably to let Piastri catch up and pass him?

[@grogery1570]

This is a problem as old as F1 teams paying drivers. When Nicki Lauda returned to F1 he had to agree to a contract that gave Prost number one driver status. His biography claims that he accepted knowing that getting better results would make him the de facto number one driver.

[@sickleblade]

I'm glad one of the youtubers I follow sees what I think, which is it'd be a fatal mistake for mclaren to try and push oscar into a #2 role and jeopardize that relationship. Yes there is a shot at a driver's title this year, but its come late and Lando has fucked up enough and it is such a longshot at this point that it'd be a history making deficit to overcome. To me this year is still mclaren learning to fight at the front, to learn the winning ways. That might mean they don't win the driver's championship. But they will almost definitely win the constructor's. I have confidence after the last two years of upgrades that they can produce a competitive car next year. The pieces are in place. We can see the strategy team making mistakes and learning, we can see lando doing it, and oscar too, but something that doesn't get talked about is they needed a car to fight for wins from race one as well.

[@jackishy1261]

Strategy has gone landos way, Oscar has been screwed 4 times and never had the full upgrade in Miami also!

[@ZombieDeMierda]

😢 McLaren not doing a double stack in Silverstone and sending Piastri in wet conditions was painful to watch

[@nexus438]

Oscar won his F4 F3 and F2 in his first year. What did you think was going to happen ? He is there to race and win and probably has a i'm not a no.2 driver clause in his contract.

[@mattroyce]

Why do people always forget about Kimi and Juan Pablo? Even if it was for a short period of time

[@KimiSupremacy7]

because these are mostly new fans and they dont know anything about juan pablo montoya and the late and mclaren kimi

[@noobednatherium4082]

​@@KimiSupremacy7 That was more one sided imo despite both being fast in their own suits

[@melvinquiwa9629]

Let’s be real. Lando is good, but not “yet” great. He probably needs few more years to be at the level where he can consistently win in a race winning car. Problem is that Oscar is there. Oscar’s ceiling is much higher than Lando. Lando is what, 5years in? But we still think he is young or early in his career. Hence, I think Lando now should think about his future in Mclaren because Oscar is going to make him his number 2 driver soon.

[@superkubus-nk8lb]

Charles pole to win ratio was due to him over performing the car in the quali, and then just not having fast enough car to actually keep p1, lando pole to not leading after lap one ratio looks actually worse, his car since silverstone last year was capable of winning races, sometimes being comparable to redbulls, but he just isn't able to perform in high stress

[@Iamjustaguy123]

Thank you for speaking my mind...wish Lando the best but am not ready to settle for number 2

[@mhtuaes]

If you want to win the championship, you gotta be the best driver. Team orders may get you the trophy, may get you to "be" a champion, but doesn't make you the best driver. If Lando wants to be put as a number one, then overtake Piastri.

[@painfullight]

I feel like Oscar is gonna do to Lando what Max did to Daniel at Red Bull. He’s gonna race him out of town because Lando doesn’t think he’ll get the treatment he needs to win

[@grannieannie1371]

That's exactly what I'm reminded of.

[@The_Bat_Signal]

Nice video mate! Are there any videos on Ferrari coming? I really think you are the best F1 content creator. Always speaking the truth. Keep it up! 👍🏻

[@jeinarsantos6125]

The best solution for this is.............to continue what they're doing, Max continue losing ground with that tractor of his, and for Charles to swoop by to win it from under their noses lol😅

[@sumukhshankarhegde2853]

@4:56 I thought it was just common sense - LMAFO 😂😂

[@BrianMatei]

The premise here is flawed. McLaren doesn’t need to figure out what kind of driver dynamic they want, they already have - both drivers to fight it out and the best one wins. They’ve been very clear about this, and all of their actions on track have backed this up. But at the end of the day, there’s no reason for them to enforce team orders. Lando isn’t winning the title, and it isn’t worth upsetting their better driver in a long shot bid to ensure that. Even in Monza (where people began complaining about this), what should they have done? Lando pulled off yet another pitiful start and dropped like a stone, while Oscar quickly grabbed the race lead. When Charles was in P1 at the end, Oscar was catching him while Lando was fighting behind with Max and Carlos. What was Oscar supposed to do, give up fighting for the win and pull over to the side of the road for a lap to let Lando past? McLaren done a terrific job of working their way to the top and fully deserves the WCC. Lando got his win, Oscar is gaining experience, and next year they’ll be in the perfect position to hit the ground running for a title bid with Oscar.

[@hafbintsam]

This exactly !! Lando was fighting to get past his “championship rival” in the 4th fastest car to his fastest, while oscar was hunting down leclerc at the front. To demand that oscar should let lando past when he did all the heavy lifting is beyond unreasonable and unfair

[@GlenCassar1]

I don’t understand all the comments like this. You speak as though what you say is logic, when it’s as emotional as the people who think Oscar should have elected to let Lando win. No he shouldn’t, but also the team can win both titles this year and that should be their priority. Thats it and mathematically Lando is the best opportunity this year. Oscar should have done better at the start of the year and put himself first and the one receiving the help. If he got annoyed at McLaren being logical then that’s on him. Next year hopefully they’ll have another good car and he will be in a better position to challenge. But everything you say doesn’t make sense. The team doesn’t care which driver wins as long as it’s a McLaren driver and so right now it’s Norris. The most successful teams use team orders

[@BrianMatei]

@@GlenCassar1 The difference is that McLaren isn’t winning the WDC this year. All of this talk about Lando winning is copium - we’re talking about a driver that can’t even keep P1 after lap 1 from pole in the best car on the grid. Again, what should McLaren have done at Monza when Oscar is fighting for the win against a Leclerc that’s far up the road while Lando is barely scraping by against Carlos and Max?

[@GlenCassar1]

@@BrianMatei McLaren should ruthless and that means going for the win. They aren’t there to make up the numbers and if that means hurting feelings so be it. Nobody knows whether Norris could win, just like McLaren can’t bank on having a fast car next year. You go for what is in front of you and McLaren are doing a crap job of it. Monza hasn’t been won by the driver who started P1 in the last 5 years. Saying its copium when you’re the one being daft

[@hafenimushimba8018]

Piastri still isn't the best at qualifying to be competitive for a WDC, in Zanvoort he Qualified behind Verstappen's slower RB20, He Couldn't overtake Leclerc Ferrari which is slower. If he doesn't have a car advantage, I'm not yet sure he'll be able to win the WDC. Norris is still a faster driver than (yeah he makes more mistakes) Norris is still the driver with the most points and points don't lie. Remember Piastri has never DNF this season, he's raced ever lap of the 16 races so far so, why doesn't he have the points to prove that he'll be the WDC Contender? I'm not saying Piastri won't be there next year I'm saying it's not yet clear that he will be.

[@HarshadJoshi]

Oscar is championship material!

[@starteck11]

Maybe Lando thought "its 2v18 we can win" once the overtake happened maybe just maybe he realized its always been 1v19

[@MACDADDY1089]

Team orders should be banned, win by merit.

[@Igbon5]

They were for a while I think, it is a travesty now. It is not a race between 20 drivers but a team sport with 10 competitors.

[@Ericnorify]

Very fair take in this video. It's a way more difficult decision teamwise than most people admit.

[@Stormbura]

In my view, the best way to get McLaren to do team orders is if the idea came from Piastri in the first place. Something like this "I'll be the best support driver F1 has ever seen on two conditions 1) I get more money and 2) Next year, if there is only one set of upgrades available, I get them first".

[@blauekits7782]

There's an easy solution, if the points gap between the 2 McLaren drivers is bigger than that between the title contenders (Max and Lando) then Norris can get the Team's full backing.

[@noobednatherium4082]

That's likely not gonna happen without Piastri dnf

[@brabhamoz6863]

If this was the other way around..Oscar in front and lando 40 points behind…this wouldn’t even be a conversation or a narrative pushed by sky and British pundits. Sky would just be cheering for lando and complimenting mclaren for letting the 2 number 1’s at Mclaren race

[@valerierodger]

Wrong. It’s not just the blatantly biased pundits who are saying this.

[@fkarg10]

0:32 no, they did, they decided to let them race and have it play out. Video done.

[@hakkinenfan]

McLaren know that it’s Piastri who will be their real number one eventually and they want to take care of him.

[@markwhite9712]

I don't see why it's hard to understand. Zac Brown know he will get the constructor, so he let's his boys race

[@wasteddd2005]

I mean why would they hand lando the WDC at the expense of Oscar? Lando hasn’t proved himself to be worth prioritizing at all. Funny since he used to talk so much shit about having the best car but now that he has it, he dunno wtf to do with it 🤣🤣🤣 I’d rather cheer for Oscar

[@valerierodger]

It wouldn’t be at the expense of Oscar because Oscar doesn’t have a chance to win the WDC this year. And he has proven himself to be worth prioritizing because he is leading in the points and he is the one with the chance to win the WDC. And if Oscar had any sense, he would go along with it if they ask, Because it’s very rare that you have a car so dominant that you don’t need your teammate to help you win a WDC, and the precedent of prioritizing the driver in the lead will be in his benefit

[@mattarjr]

Oscar is stronger than Lando. He has the attitude, mentality and driving. A true champion wouldn't be begging for help.

[@lukew6725]

That's the help he gets for gifting Piastri his first win.

[@Pgdarkoylis]

Do you forget 2024 Hungary? Begging lando to let him win? Or no?

[@noobednatherium4082]

after the team ruins piastris strategy to leave him behind Lando, why do you think they had him let Oscar by? Did you even watch the race?

[@mg7888]

No matter how small difference they have, support the best driver (Lando) currently the team have, Who knows will Mclaren have another chance for title fight in the future?

[@brucethomson9923]

English commentator (obviously) showing that he thinks that Piastri should be Lando's slave. I guess this is what happens when you get used to seeing all of Lew's team-mates being made to make way for him...

[@valerierodger]

🤡 you obviously didn’t even listen to the video

[@edrod8807]

Karma for treating Ricardo like dirt. If you're not good enough, step aside Norris or quit bitching

[@doriswembe4941]

He's not bitching about anything but you are

[@Igbon5]

What? Ricciardo was dirt and only got what he deserved. In fact, he got much more than he deserved raking in the dollars again despite being useless. Red Bull should do exactly the same and would except for some weird relationship between Ricciardo and Horner. Ricciardo is actually the selfish betraying type leaving Renault and Cyril when they expected another year of development. Ask Cyril if Ricciardo is a nice guy. Answer no, Ricciardo is a selfish money hungry whiny wanker. A middle to lower-level driver at best. Just because he smiles a lot. A hideous disingenuous smile half the time.

[@ashlerstanley2]

Why would Piastri help Norris getting the WDC? He is there for his WDC and his teams WCC.

[@iconoclast1970]

1 min into this video and I am please to listen to someone on KZbin that provides an honest assessment.

[@vatsal_agar]

Last time I was this early, everyone thought that 2024 will be another 2023

[@snowxboarderxljs]

He was told to pull over and stop for 7 seconds so Oscar could "earn" his win. He earned Oscar being told to move at least once.

[@noobednatherium4082]

After the team bottled his strategy, on the team not Oscar bro

[@snowxboarderxljs]

@@noobednatherium4082 absolutely on the team but Lando did not owe Oscar that win. If the team forgot to bolt a wheel on should Lando have retired out of fairness? He had an opportunity to close the gap and couldn't.

[@jcskehan]

I think Piastri still needs to learn more about tyre management, but in his peak is higher than Norris' for sure.

[@The_ZeroLine]

Australia 1999 was a gentleman’s agreement between the drivers. McLaren had no idea. Webber will never let Piastri give into playing the wingman role. He knows how dangerous that can be.

[@TravisHi_YT]

Exactly, such a good move by Oscar to have Mark as a manager.

[@michaelcobbin]

Oscar is probably advice from both Mark Webber and Fernando Alonso. Mark and Fernando have been close mates from when Mark raced in F1. Oscar usually catches a lift with Fernando to each F1 race. Oscar definitely has a better inner circle than Lando. Remember that Oscar was the reserve driver when Fernando and Oscar were at Alpine, so through Mark relationships with both, Oscar probably had a lot of insight on how manage the other teammate and team before he started at McLaren.

[@noobednatherium4082]

And how to manage his contract

[@michaelcobbin]

@@noobednatherium4082 Yep, both Mark and Fernando have set up driver management companies and a huge wealth of knowledge.

[@robbphillips2845]

Calling for team orders with 9 races to go when the MCL drivers are only 43 points apart and Max is 60 +up is ridiculous. BOTH drivers can pass Max if his current performance slump continues.Let them race.Warn them on NO Circumstances are they to collide.

[@Bradwellify]

It's far enough into this season to make Lando No.1, he's got the better chance at being driver's champion and it makes the tactical decisions clear cut. Go back to Papaya rules at the start of next season, winning the constructor's championship and possibly getting No.2 in the driver's championship would be a tremendous accomplishment for his first season.

[@lordbogus6709]

Maybe McLaren already asked Piastri behind closed doors, an he refused

[@elwalker9034]

At long last, someone put it out there: Oscar is not no.2

[@AnimalzyNL]

I think McLaren knows that Piastri is their future. Lando right now is still faster, but Oscar got that killer mentality and can stay so cool under pressure. You can also tell that he is developing into a more complete driver so quickly. I would not be surprised if Oscar convincingly beats Lando next season.

[@squareroots6003]

in 99, michael sat out many races and then returned to find eddie irvine challenging for the title, and for the rest of that season michael played number 2 to irvine. the championship come first, papaya rules my .....

[@noobednatherium4082]

He returned when there were 2 raves to go, TWO RACES, you'd have to have a brain worm to use that as an example, I can't believe I had to point this out, but in this year that would be 52 points availbe for grabs, there are way more than 2 raves left, clearly there is still a chance for either driver.

[@squareroots6003]

@@noobednatherium4082 a better argument against what i said would have been that by that time michael was already established as the best driver on the grid, and the whole world knew, however oscar is much more hungry and eager to prove himself. gotta go check that worm

[@Didigi]

They literally cried over the radio to give oscar his first win, then he comes up and tries only to destroy lando. Thats some next level selfishness...

[@kylecorrigan2449]

Oscar is not a #2 that’s why mclaren should’ve stepped in to favour lando for this year at least. Next year if Oscar outperforms lando give him the same favour

[@TravisHi_YT]

No brainer really, and reduces the risk of them taking each other out.

[@PatTriesAgain]

Lando needs to be more ruthless, pure and simple. He needs to push his weight around. He is an incredible driver, all he needs is the mentality to use all his skill.

[@magnustan841]

I remember after Silverstone, I was discussing with some people online and made the point that McLaren aren’t experienced with fighting for the title, so that’s why they are making the mistakes they are. People had a go at me, but since then, it’s been the same patterns coming up again and again. They can take the constructors and I think that’s what they are focusing on, hence “papaya rules”. I think Brown and Stella are just trying to maintain the relationship between Lando and Oscar, so they work together for the benefit of the team. I hope Monza was enough of a flashpoint such that behind closed doors, Stella has made it clear to both drivers that if things come down to it, we have to impose team orders. It’s only possible because McLaren have the car advantage over Red Bull.

[@TheEmolano]

I think it's better that they fight.The WDC was always a very long shot, so they allow their 2 drives to fight and grow. Next year they can either give Lando the definitive number 1 spot if he sorts his things out, or start prioritizing Piastri.

[@IAmLeutrimTopalli]

Once the upgrades are the same you can see Oscar is the better racer.

[@Chris-Oyema]

Nando do not have the quality to force his way through or demand it. He use to say others are winning because they have a faster car, now he does and keep loosing out in the first lap.

[@Flippingwolfresells]

I have to agree with Norris is a sensitive guy with a good heart - that is a positive thing and makes him a better human being than Oscar However since Mclaren started screwing him over, and Piastri, he really has got hos head down and he hasnt been driving to well. I think if you look at his performances last year he drove the socks off that Mclaren and he beat Danny Ricciardo who is a decent driver.

[@bsm-nooky8466]

The Problem is, Lando is not faster than Piastri in the race anymore. McLaren got Lando in Early for the pit stop both times and he still could not catch up to Oscar. If Oscar would have gotten the "Undercut" the Gap would have been much bigger.