How secure is Eddie Howe at Newcastle?

[@chrisdonnelly7401]

if newcastle win a trophy i dont think anyone would remember Paul Mitchell, jame bunce, it would be Eddie Howes achievement, newcastle cannot afford to lose Howe he is the good will between fans and club

[@bt1804]

Well said.

[@dddgtsd]

Bugs me when I see the armchair managers on Twitter siding with Mitchell and the recruitment team over Howe, claiming Howe 'just wants old Bournemouth' players which is such an exaggerated myth. People have short memories on what this guy has done for the club - yes we need a professional structure like other top clubs but we need to respect Howe because not many other managers out there can squeeze out of this squad what he has.

[@dddgtsd]

Not that there is even a battle between Mitchell and Howe, I'm happy with Mitchell coming in and think Howe was just a bit concerned about his security and role - but shocked me some fans were siding with someone they knew nothing about until a few weeks ago.

[@chrisdonnelly7401]

@@dddgtsd i wasnt sure of mitchel at first but knew he was alright the moment parish started calling him, i think he will be a good dof but can understand Howe not being happy that the whole infrastruter has changed so quick

[@dddgtsd]

@@chrisdonnelly7401 I mean it's hard for us fans to really know what a SD/DofF actually does - Mitchell comes with a big reputation and I'm sure he's very competent, I don't think he wants a power struggle with Howe and it seems they are working well together after the earlier concerns. I don't mind Parish, he does what's right for Palace, he's a great businessman. He's playing the game, trying to get big money for his player which is what we'd expect Eales and Mitchell to do with any of ours. I do think Parish might be a little annoyed we tried to nick Freedman earlier in the summer so he might be holding that against us. I think we'll end up paying what they want but 65m for a proven Prem CB aged 24 is better than 30/40m on someone from another league who might not do the business and we then have to buy another CB down the line.

[@Robert.Sheard]

Newcastle is 7th or 8th in the wage table. The correlation between wages and results is clear. The fact that Howe has done more with less should make him 100% secure. Give Eddie the players and NUFC gets top 4 most years.

[@dddgtsd]

yep overachieved in first two seasons and pretty much hit where he should be with an injury ravaged squad, very much still the man for the moment - I have no interest in us going for a so called 'elite manager'. When Howe drops below where we would be in the wage table like you say, I'll start worrying but he's worked wonders and deserves a lot of respect.

[@levstone415]

Owners PIF have an investment strategy for every £1 spend to make £1.60. Club is now valued at £1.3 billion mainly because of Howe's coaching, player recruitment (Bruno, Issac, Botman, Gordon) and tactics (avoid relegation, get Champions League). If Eales and Mitchell don't deliver for Howe then PIF will back Howe and kick out Eales, Mitchell. Howe has turned a £300 million club to £1.3billion by spending £400 million. Howe is safe

[@j.j.911]

Exceedingly well said.

[@porciestreethenderson202]

SHOULD be safe...!

[@chriswoodley23]

Not a Newcastle fan but actually forgot he came in initially to just avoid relegation. The team has changed so much and you've got loads of quality now. Is Howe the guy who identified the signings of players like Issac, Botman, Bruno etc? If so considering he also got Champions League well ahead of schedule then any actual talk of replacing him would be madness. Also, which manager is out there who would definitely do better excluding Pep/Ancelotti/Klopp? He seems to have changed the playing style and general mentality too

[@dddgtsd]

Agree with your point and I hope the owners see Howe's competence - I would point out though that in terms of player recruitment, whilst Howe had more power over transfer before, we still had a recruitment team finding players, Nickson is a great scout but of course was working closely with Howe's nephew. Any scout worth his salt would have data on Bruno and Isak, and I imagine we did dating back before Howe's arrival even. Not taking anything away from Howe but I doubt he came in with all the data and reports on Bruno, Isak, Botman etc - but I imagine he had a strong say in signing them.

[@dddgtsd]

I'm going to sound like a fanboy but I don't care - in an age where football has lost it's soul and fans feel disconnected from their club, Eddie has restored a lot of people's faith in this team. I was worried when we were taken over by PIF that'd I'd fall out love with football and whilst I am still against state owned football clubs and the grey areas it creates, on a footballing level Howe has made me excited to watch my team each week. He isn't without his faults but he's turned us into a really serious outfit and has connected with the fans again along with mad dog Tindall ofc. When we were struggling last year it saddened me to see people calling for him to go, people have very short memories and I'm so glad he turned things around and earned another season here. I accept the day may come the club outgrows him but that day is far in the future and it might even be the case he outgrows us - the media often say we will inevitably hire an 'elite manager' but why can't Eddie become elite? Not all elite managers were born that way. I don't support my team just to see us win, I watch to see the likes of Joelinton go from a misfiring striker to a beast in midfield, to see Eddie prover everyone wrong and fend off the media calls for Conte or Mourinho, locals lads like Longstaff squeezing every ounce of talent for the club he loves. A lot of our fans (the younger Twitter brigade maybe) seem to have become entitled brats similar to that of many Man Utd fans. Calling anyone who isn't Bruno level 'sh*t', turning on Howe for team selection etc but I promise you it's more rewarding if you just support those that work hard for the team.

[@iBunZz360]

How secure? What fuck sort of title is that? The man has worked miracles at NUFC, spent fuck all in comparison to the big 6, especially considering the shocking base he's working from of championship players from the 16/17 season, most of which are STILL at the club.

[@NickPhillips-yf2re]

If he dosent get top 6 he will be gone

[@j.j.911]

The Athletic are trying to undertake the vile, hypocritical, TalkSport click bait, anger merchant strategy. The content of the discussion itself and questions asked are warranted, but the framing is pathetically algorithmically charged.

[@KH-xv5gm]

This Newcastle agenda is becoming ridiculous now!! All I hear is negative news and comments about our club! Personally I think it's jealousy! Eddie howe is an amazing manager and has developed so many players and they all idolise him. Our club is run properly unlike others I could name!!!

[@kicka11]

It’s not jealousy, but hysterical reactions like this encourage clicks.

[@kendec1956]

If the question is valid which I think it’s not, and they cant back him in the market, then no one can do a better job than Eddie Howe he should be there for 10 years.

[@Hc-L720]

Eddie Howe should have a lifetime contract for what he achieved with the club on a yearly basis with such players, when we were dangling over relegation and couldn't buy 3 points till christmas. He should be the last one to be considered to leave. You can't expect consistent top 4 results without the tools for the job, especially considering other team's position.

[@Thaitanium73]

Behave

[@andyh323]

Last season was the season from hell: Tonali ban, disgraceful penalty given in PSG game, freak injury after freak injury, Ashworth on gardening leave, terrible Carabao and FA Cup draws, Man U beating City to deprive Newcastle of Europe, end of June forced PSR sales of two young talents, then Stavely and husband departing....Perhaps we are due some good fortune. but not yet as we get another away draw against a Premier League team.....🤔

[@dddgtsd]

away to Forest though, if we fancy ourselves to win something we can't be annoyed at that draw ;) but yep last season wasn't ideal, got to think this one will be better. I still enjoyed last year though, lots of good memories and it was great to see Howe turn things round when some were questioning him.

[@Nufc-bornthatway]

What a ridiculous title…hes worked miracles 🏁

[@kicka11]

It got you to watch and comment, which boosts the video.

[@yogihightower]

The season hasn't begun, and the agenda to get howe out, unsettle him, and create turmoil has begun.

[@kendec1956]

Eddie Howe is brilliant the rest need to prove themselves. Eddie Howe has nothing to prove, Eales, Mitchell and Bunce have everything to prove and so far the jury is out.

[@Leehow80]

100%.

[@savethetowels]

I do enjoy how the fans of any team covered by this podcast assume there's an agenda against their team

[@dddgtsd]

I'm not one of these conspiracy theorist, media has it in for us etc sort of people but you know what, this Howe to England thing feels like it's purely concocted by the media - yes he might have been on their list but he never at any point showed any interest yet the media keep pushing it even now Carsley has the interim role.

[@dddgtsd]

@@savethetowels yeah I do laugh at the way every fan goes on - the Howe to England thing does feel very much like a media fantasy, not saying it's not a possibility but it's been overblown by certain sections of the media and you always see articles about 'Howe will be replaced by an elite manager at some point' which is pretty disrespectful in my opinion and is not based on any quotes from our owners. He'll be replaced as soon as he doesn't deliver on par with the quality of the squad, simple as that. But yes fans can be very paranoid, I think every fan thinks VAR and the PGMOL is against them too.

[@masteryas80]

The hate for Newcastle is incredible

[@Senna-xi1gr]

The jealousy you mean

[@porciestreethenderson202]

We should be used to it by now...!

[@EDMisalive]

I still think we're 5 years or say light years away from our management getting such paranoid to force him out of the club

[@dddgtsd]

got to hope so, I do think them restructuring the top brass accelerates things a bit but simply put, the pressure only rises on Howe if they spent huge amounts of money. We currently have the 7/8th highest wage bill and most the money spent was turning us from a 15th place team to a 7th place team - if they increase revenue and are able to spend say 200m in a window and Howe isn't pushing on and competing for top four then he will be questioned and maybe replaced - for now though with FFP restrictions and the squad we have, Howe is the perfect man.

[@sid-d4w]

More secure than ten hag. Eddie's the best English manager in a generation, How's about we build him up not knock him down. Obvious odious agenda to get him under pressure, sacked and in the England job.

[@Ryan-ys2bq]

Not a high bar, but he might be if we are just saying English not UK as Brendan Rodgers has medals and a longer run of top 6 league positions with Leicester.

[@keitholiver6152]

Newcastle have the best first 11 outside Arsenal, City. Be wary if we don't get injuries like last season, with no distraction of Europe. I think we are outside bets for a deep title push given our fantastic early fixture list. If the momentum builds and we got a bit of luck, I think with Isak, Gordon, Bruno, Pope, we have the match winners too have a memorable season. No doubt Arsenal and City are the two to beat.

[@kkiat424]

I luv the way every types of media trying to made up story to stir things up to create chaos. I also luv every types of media online, offline, podcast, football show all say our team with finish 8th or 9th or 10th. I luv it.. luv that we can prove the whole league wrong #NUFC #ToonArmy

[@imadkhan4148]

Howe has done an incredible job with Newcastle and if they fire him that would be a horrendous decision.

[@thembazote736]

Definitely a double-edged sword for Eddie Howe. Being relieved of all unnecessary duties to allow him to focus on coaching is good but the departures of Staveley and Ghoudoussi has left him slightly exposed.

[@dddgtsd]

works two ways, now the pressure for results will be higher because they'll say 'well now you can focus on training/coaching' but also if a signing flops, Eddie can say well...I didn't pick him out. I do hope Howe still has some say on transfers cos whilst I accept the modern game requires a SD, it's mental to miss your manager out in recruitment, he's the guy coaching them after all.

[@thembazote736]

@@dddgtsd well said!

[@centurion8446]

He's quite secure. Even more so without any major signings while our erstwhile rivals like West Ham and Brighton have been strengthening so it would be harsh to place too many expectations on him

[@JT_Williams]

Very secure

[@Bad_Chemicals702]

I gotta say, Phil and Ayo are a really good Combo and would to see Phil and Ayo as the permanent one two.

[@faisalzulfqar3025]

I swear all these lot do is make normal football decisions like some conspiracy and stirring rubbish all the time, too worried of a United Newcastle and what they can become. Stop your lies and provide real news

[@ianbedwell8795]

Still a lot of Cashley damage left behind to date. Eddie Howe vould very well have been voted manager of the year the last 3 seasons. He is going nowhere anytime soon. All that said, we do need to do some damage this season or the PIF might very well make changes. Just going to look forward to this weekend and Southampton at home and see what happens. Onwards and upwards and HWTL.

[@folabad]

Phil Hay said if Eddie Howe is gonna coach at a big club, then he’s got to get used this type of structure. But like Chris Waugh said, in most top clubs, the sporting director picks the coach. At Newcastle, this sporting director came after the coach. So it’s a very different dynamic, and it remains to be seen if the SD prefers a different type of coach, but I understand Howe’s uneasiness.

[@johnnyboy11000]

We've appointed a highly respected Sporting Director as well as Director of Performance, and all these people say is 'turmoil'.... no agenda you say?

[@Unclebuzzcocksne]

Exactly not saying the same about all of Man Utd’s backroom appts. Brought a club legend, and good manager as Ten Haag’s assistant 😂

[@jadmantoura4483]

Is there any footage of Chris on the medicine ball?

[@andyh323]

No way is he a generational talent. He is less than 6' in height and not that good in the air. £60 million is the tops they should pay. They need to walk away.

[@jimbobaroobob1418]

Finally! I didn't think it would happen to be fair. NOW do you think Newcastle can get a right winnger now? 2 weeks left! 😬

[@CoroDan]

Man Utd fan here. I'd really like to see Crystal Palace start hold on to all their talents and start challenging for silverware. Why should they have to sell to Newcastle at the risk of turning back into a yo-yo team? Go Palace!

[@OwenSindler]

David Ornstein makes a great contribution to the discussion ⚽

[@david030491]

This summer has been a hot mess.

[@ronrichardson3103]

Do you think it strange that when you reward players to keep them at the club and keep them happy it has the opposite effect and their performance suffers. It's like they subconsciously stop trying as they've reached the top level . And don't need to try any more. ?

[@Senna-xi1gr]

He’s safe as houses.

[@MarkWeir-cr5tk]

There are rules for the elite clubs then rules for the rest of us, the two coaches on the touchline was directly aggressive towards Newcastle. Man Utd allowed 24x Covid losses than any club but Forest and Everton got clobbered. PSR has basically set fire to the bridge to the top 6. Shameful

[@corintaylor-salter2059]

FFP is a fraud - it literally encourages it. No Newcastle fan I know has anything other than love and respect for Eddie Howe. He has made EVERY single player he works with better - so why any doubt on his future despite such arbitrary restrictions? Just a bit more luck with injuries and cup draws and he can achieve great things.

[@kicka11]

Thank god there are no cockney spivs on this one, just decent lads.

[@peacefrog5193]

didn't know Chris looks like Howe

[@yuwaluitel7916]

Eddie Howe in the podcast

[@domlyons9375]

If Ornstein wasn’t at the Athletic, there would literally be 0 reason to subscribe as an Nufc fan. 0 exclusives, 0 sources and little to no insight. Strange.

[@jimbojimbo6873]

And nor should there be, Newcastle is an irrelevant club outside of the fact they got rich owners

[@beezergutler5488]

@@jimbojimbo6873 You could say that about Chelsea and Man City.

[@jimbojimbo6873]

@@beezergutler5488 chelsea were a thing

[@beezergutler5488]

@@jimbojimbo6873 Chelsea were no bigger than Newcastle before the money arrived.

[@jimbojimbo6873]

@@beezergutler5488 chelsea won things and made top 4 regularly, they were something before Abramovic

[@BroskiRIP]

Ayo and Alan Shearer would be a better couple than Phil and Ayo in my opinion. I would like to be in the middle of that pair! Would speak a lot of sense.

[@AndGW9]

More garbage and negativity from Chris Waugh and the Athletic.

[@CoroDan]

Thought he was quite balanced really.

[@DarnallDubois]

If he doesn't win the next game then I think he might be gone

[@dddgtsd]

excuse me?

[@scottbillingham2284]

why do people think we don’t have anyone new for first 11 lloyd kelly will start in front of dan burn or even lewis hall he’s a much better defender than hall and 10 times as quick as dan burn we can’t continue to watch dan burn getting absolutely roasted every week i love the bloke but he needs to make way!

[@roadrunner2930]

Chris Woff? 🤣

[@tomthetit2419]

I’m not angry Athletic, I’m just disappointed.

[@hiitsme9042]

Funny how everybody wants our players and manager - backroom staff - but don't rate us as a team - go figure ???????

[@Kristian-wj9up]

Who is this Phil guy? 😂

[@TC-qd1zw]

No one is secure.

[@kicka11]

Very.

[@jamesthorner2555]

About as secure as a hyman at a south london comprehensive

[@Magpie247NUFC]

What crap. Nice try to unsettle stuff

[@Mannyman348]

As secure as anyone who upsets Saudi Arabia….

[@Thomohawk21]

And Howe hasn’t and won’t.

[@Johno731]

When has a club not lost money on a signing Guehi costing 65million? 100 percent nufc will lose money on that deal.

[@Ryan-ys2bq]

Exactly, at best it seems that cb would top out at 100m and tbh fees seem to be coming down across Europe. Unless he becomes VVD then maybe you might get a profit. Need to stick around 50m max signings if you are looking to trade for profit.

[@dddgtsd]

not all signings are to be sold on, if we get Guehi on a 5 or 6 year deal, and he is as good as he can be, we could lose him on a free and it'd still be good business - but the reality is he'll be 29 might sign a new deal or we sell for say 50m who knows - the sell on potential is a bonus and is more important if you're signing someone who isn't class from the off, but Guehi will slot straight in you'd think and help us get into Europe which will pay back the fee in itself.

[@dddgtsd]

@@Ryan-ys2bq but VVD never made a profit for Liverpool...he was just a very good player. When you pay 65m for a player you accept you make a loss when they leave but you are also buying proven developed quality, so they come in and make your team better, you can sell for half the money and still have gotten a good deal cos they played well. You used VVD which is a great example, he cost what, 100m? But he will likely leave Liverpool on a free, doesn't make it bad business.

[@Ryan-ys2bq]

@dddgtsd read again, if you are planning on trading players then you shouldn't do that. I used VVD as an example of the level you should be singing for 75m he was, Guehi isn't close to that, he's more Harry McGuire or Fofana level ask Chelsea or United if they'd redo those deals.

[@dddgtsd]

@@Ryan-ys2bq apologies for the misunderstanding - I think NUFC are having to player trade ofc like anyone at our level but we also can make marquee signings who are guaranteed to improve the team and be there for a good stretch of time, with these signings I don't think you need to worry too much about selling on as you won't plan on moving these players on. You seem to agree on that but think VVD is more the level when you're signing a player like that (or say Rice to Arsenal as a good example). Thing is we're NUFC, VVD was one of the best CBs in the world for a good stretch, rare find, we have to go for players we can feasibly sign. Guehi is probably one of the best proven CBs we can sign right now. He is way better than Maguire so I cannot agree with you there, Maguire is limited (albeit better in the air) and they vastly overpaid. Guehi is a better footballer, quicker, more mobile and looks like a super smart lad with potential future captain attributes (with Tripps getting old and Bruno maybe not a complete captain) which is maybe being factored in. 65m may be a bit over the odds but not so much that I'd be massively concerned. He isn't a flash in the pan cos of the England performances, Palace fans have raved about him since he signed. He's a great player and when he's 28 in the last year of his contract, I'd be very surprised if he doesn't fetch 30/40m - that's if we do have to sell.

[@mTLpHfumfaomd]

Going by how club behaves and spends, easily Chelsea is the richest club in the world. Newcastle is nowhere even near that list as their revenue levels have a long way to go to reach the competing levels

[@Robert.Sheard]

Correct. Richest owners, not richest club… for now.

[@andyh323]

​@@Robert.SheardFor now 👍

[@denisjeux1020]

Toss heads like rory Jennings when he can't see Past the London teams

[@stephenthompson4952]

This paul Mitchell obsession is comical. Let's judge him on how godd he may or may not be in 2 years' time.

[@andrewgarrett5799]

he's got credit in the bank but what happens this season will have a huge bearing. if he doesn't produce they might get rid of him

[@abylay9288]

Everyone asks who is Howe, but noone asks how is Howe.

[@michaeltate8017]

Sack eddy he is lost lol not fit for purpose

[@vivekstephen6090]

Not too secure, it's a deciding season for him, he needs a trophy this season or the owners will get uncomfortable, it's not his 3 season no excuses, he's got his group of players, and speaking of the transfer, to start at the beginning of the market with the free market raised eyebrows and we all know nufc don't wake up till the 11th hour to do anything

[@Kristian-wj9up]

Aye stick to ping pong mate football isn’t for you.

[@dddgtsd]

trophy? are you for real - he needs to finish top 6 and get us back in Europe simple as that - if he's sacked for anything less then that's madness - we have the 7th or 8th highest wage bill, you can't tell a manager you need to win a trophy or you're out when that is the case. Any early dealings in the window will be free transfers cos they sign when the contract expires, a free transfers of Kelly's quality is great business when FFP is playing a part.

[@vivekstephen6090]

@@Kristian-wj9up FA Cup and Carabao cup is well within our reach, considering we almost got MANU last season, some trophy is needed and we have the chances

[@Ryan-ys2bq]

Why does Ornstein look like a cancer patient who's drawn on his eyebrows..