Has Klopp damaged his legacy by joining Red Bull?

[@nonnayoubuzinnes1669]

Klopp is a legend. German fans can whine all they want but they have short memories given what he did at Mainz and Dortmund. And those saying he now wouldn't be welcome as Germany manager, they seem happy enough with JN who also managed RB Leipzig. Klopp will always be a hero in Liverpool, he is missed and welcome back anytime.

[@EisernRob]

Are you German? I doubt you even understand what the ‘whining’ is about. You’re no better than a rich person purporting to have insight about the life of a person….ignorance personified.

[@oibara2]

German fans have been clear for decades that they don't want money totally corrupting their sport and they have been effective in keeping fan powers alive. Klopp has spent his life telling the world he is a football romantic and has then joined the one club trying to destroy the German fan system. For you to sit there as a Pool fan and dismiss their concerns as whining because he won you a trophy is utterly ignorant.

[@Luke-kj1rj]

Our fans trying to make exculpatory remarks about Klopp here, it just doesn't wash. I love the guy but this is weird

[@lescorlett4133]

Why do so many people get hung up on this Legacy bullshit? Or that footballers or managers are somehow anointed to be Role Models? It's all a load of bollocks and people need to grow up.

[@DarthQueefious]

I agree, but Klopp put himself out there as a so-called 'man of the people'

[@plopplop1984]

it’s a headline….. even last week with tuchel the main headline was his heritage lol never mind he was best coach available for the job

[@katniss9shadeslayer]

Football is about 'eritage tho

[@00Platypus00]

The hyper commodification of sports (and everything) is the real issue. Late stage capitalism sucks. Klopp is just another guy with an insane salary in this "industry" - but yes, he is not being consistent with the values he claimed to have, but he never was.

[@gomey70]

What values did he claim to have? He managed a PL team for 9 years getting paid millions. He's done countless of ads on tv down the years. He never made himself out to some anti-capitalist messiah.

[@00Platypus00]

@@gomey70 "A self-declared left-winger, Klopp fits in well at Liverpool FC, a club with strong working-class roots. For a 2017 book about his coaching career, he told German journalist Raphael Honigstein he was “on the left, of course.” “I believe in the welfare state. I’m not privately insured,” Klopp said, adding: “If there’s something I will never do in my life it is vote for the right.”" “I like tradition in football and all that stuff. In Germany, only two clubs sing ‘You’ll Never Walk Alone’ before the game - and that is (his former clubs) Mainz and Dortmund.” Both these clubs are more aligned with the ideas of clubs being more a community rather than a for-profit enterprise. Of course, none of them can be exactly that at this day and age...but still... being employed by one of the richest people in the Europe who is creating or buying clubs and renaming them to the name of a brand is the other extreme... It is like accepting football is about brands competing and displaying themselves to millions of potential consumers and nothing else... We are certainly heading this direction.

[@grease118]

@@gomey70 He said he was against the multi-club model. I would have thought as a Liverpool fan you would know this. Obviously just another casual supporter.

[@GesineZuchanke]

@@gomey70 In those last less successful recent years he was the one moaning soo sooo much how money now bought success and how he/LFC had to suffer - only to then join at the very first opp THE largest danger, in that regard, to the German 50% + 1 model, of which, at least, the main idea still exist.

[@NatalieLawrence]

Another person in the comments mentioned this, but Seb’s comments about Nagelsmann do highlight how things can change. An ex-Red Bull and Bayern Munich becomes German national coach and is currently liked and respected. The same can happen for Klopp. Ultimately most fans do get over it, they move on. Seb also made me smile with his comment about his mother-in-law. My mum is the same! Loves Klopp. Doesn’t know of anyone else at Liverpool. His name is so big and that’s what Red Bull have signed. There are no KPIs in a mentoring role, apart from “speak to people”.

[@alhservices1709]

Money. The End.

[@andrew_l1900]

I don’t have a problem with him taking a job there but he should definitely cop all the criticism he will get for being a massive hypocrite, should have just kept his mouth shut to begin with instead of virtue signaling.

[@noname-ju5gn]

was he ever against red bull? he always praised red bull way when he was at lfc. so how is a hypocrite?

[@grease118]

He proved he was a hypocrite long ago. Only Liverpool fans will say differently. Glad Dortmund fans have more morals than the dippers.

[@I_am_nobody999]

United are awful and will be for a long time lmao get used to it lad LIVERPOOL TOP OF THE LEAGUE LIVERPOOL LIVERPOOL TOP OF THE LEAGUE

[@plopplop1984]

@@I_am_nobody999took u 30 years to become successful…. we have been average for 12years and u still say our name even as opponent shows our status

[@I_am_nobody999]

@@plopplop1984 Didn't read that comment mate TOP OF THE LEAGUE Just gone 3/3 in Europe too. Who are United playing tomorrow, Tinpotski FC? HAHA Best of luck

[@GesineZuchanke]

@@I_am_nobody999 after he left, yes

[@lescorlett4133]

What are you sniffing? ​@@plopplop1984 Do you know anything about football history?

[@riccardobrogelli3550]

Upto a certain point he has, but I'm sure he's laughing all the way to the bank. People have principles until the right amount is reached.

[@jimbojimbo6873]

Never be a prisoner to your brand or reputation, it loses all worth if you stop doing what you want to do because you are scared of people thinking bad of you for doing what you actually want to do

[@TheFormerkgbchief]

13:06 is what happens when you lost journalistic objectivity and then reality gives you a reminder

[@meezy9550]

No, football is a sport that generates billions of dollars. It's not like he went to an oil state. He took a less stressful job for money.

[@plopplop1984]

pounds

[@monswamp258]

​@@plopplop1984I'm genuinely embarrassed for you

[@gravy3858]

@@plopplop1984blah blah blah Anglophile

[@FRESHNESSSSSS]

Played a blinder with getting himself out of Liverpool with the fans still in love with him. Knew they were mental, so leant on the "I'm too tired to go on" excuse so he could leave the nut house without the fans sending him death threats.

[@TR4zest]

This reeks of envy and loathing. What a sad f*ck.

[@basbastiaans5396]

It’s amazing how unthankful, ignorant and self absorbed football fans can be! He’s not going to manage RedBull Leipzig! Klopp didn’t get sacked by Liverpool F.C., he decided to leave on his own accord and motivated his decision openly and honestly! It was the likes of the media and fans that speculated he left because of the return of Michael Edwards, FSG, … He decided to accept a job in the industry that can’t be compared with managing a club, when it comes to intensity, workload and stress, not even in the slightest! The ignorance of blindsided fans that had the privilege to have him as a manager of their club is disgusting and that’s an understatement! Just be thankful for the beautiful memories! 🤢🤮 PS The very same fans would’ve demanded Klopp to be sacked if their teams would’ve underperformed for a timespan that they deemed acceptable… Who are the real hypocrites here?

[@-VForValhalla-]

At the end of the day everyone is a money hungry knob.

[@WaniZame]

Don’t care to be honest. It’s way less questionable than Henderson going to Saudi. I get what they weee re trying to say but no way is it as morally comparable. It’s a big deal in Germany but that’s it. Let him earn his green.

[@marquestiu4467]

No he hasnt, saved you 40 minutes

[@EisernRob]

There are millions of Germans that disagree with you…hence the video. Unless you’re suggesting your opinion is more superior?

[@jasonbrown9644]

@@EisernRobWhy would Liverpool fans care what Germans think? 🤔

[@EisernRob]

@@jasonbrown9644 I can’t imagine they would.

[@EisernRob]

@@jasonbrown9644 are you trying to say this video is aimed at Liverpool fans? I don’t think I understand why you asked that question

[@adrianordonez8800]

​@@jasonbrown9644because without them he wouldn't be where he's at today and, even after this, I don't think he'd deny that himself. Maybe we also care about the fact he acted (operating word being act, not pretend) like a man of the people and has basically retired to be a man of the LLC or PEF or whatever

[@ericthekop9624]

[@PlumpsHubris]

Jurgen Klopp always been a CEO type role in a team. However if Klopp makes RB an global super power i dont see how this doesnt make his legacy greater.

[@bharat1109]

Honestly, why tf do people care so much. He can do whatever he wants to do.

[@paulie-g]

.. and people can have an opinion on what he does. Klopp has enough money and then some, could choose to go do pretty much anything, and he chose *this*?

[@hurrayforanonyms]

What a scumbag move from Klopp. He could have picked any job he wanted for any club in the world, and still be paid millions. Instead he chose to work for the evil cartoon villians. Such a greedy little piggy. I guess you can't buy human decency.

[@Kbandz313]

Money and Red Bull is probably a nice project as a whole. German fans might not like it but nobody else really cares.

[@allanfitz3535]

Not for me he hasn't soooo

[@benjaminsvensk-armstrong9106]

Maybe next time bring in one person who doesn't worship the 50+1 rule, which is so brilliant for competition, Bayern always win the league.

[@jch6722]

and City always win the premier league. Where's the difference? At least there aren't horrific owners and the fans pay reasonable prices in their stadiums. Quite telling that England fans fly to Germany to watch Bundesliga games because it's still cheaper than in England.

[@benjaminsvensk-armstrong9106]

@@jch6722 Since City first won the EPL in 2012, four other teams have also won. During that same period, Bayern won every league title until last year; thats ELEVEN consecutive titles! There. That's where the difference is.

[@jch6722]

@@benjaminsvensk-armstrong9106 How convenient to pick a period that suits your narrative. Want to go back and talk about Man United's and Liverpool's dominance in the past? How great to watch English club's winning league titles with money provided by owners who contributed to war crimes in Ukraine or dirty oil money or cheating via 115 charges. Lovely spectacle.

[@benjaminsvensk-armstrong9106]

@@jch6722 The period of Manchester City's dominance was... too convenient for MY argument!? Okay dude.

[@EisernRob]

@@benjaminsvensk-armstrong9106I think he means if you go back five years then two teams have won in both comps, so you going back 12 years instead of 5 suits your narrative. Does that make sense?

[@crooner4848]

What legacy??!! A few years at liverpool with a couple of successful ones thrown in there??

[@CollinSproul]

Here 1st 👍🏻

[@TheRedBaron1917]

Remember Klopp? Hes back, in shill form!

[@gmuzz]

Total clickbait. Who cares who he works for. He said he wasn't going to be managing a team and he isn't.

[@slackpanda3643]

German football fans care, that's the entire point of this video captain big brain

[@chonlienlalhaokip3139]

3rd

[@syncopaint_minis3016]

German players are always swapping clubs with the league so what difference does it make for managers 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

[@iouiscolingreen1373]

He said he was against the exact sort of club he has gone on to join. The multi-club model. So yeh, it's different and hypocritical.

[@gomey70]

Happy Klopp will be doing something he enjoys and good luck to him. Beyond that I'm not remotely arsed.

[@acerock013]

TL;DR no, he didn't. y'all need to chill.

[@DarthQueefious]

The only thing Klopp is 'guilty' of is playing up to lefty teenagers with this silly 'man of the people' rubbish. Same goes for the 'I'll quit football before I spend 100m on a player' comment. It's a good job for him and RB have generally been good for European football, in my vieiw. If Germans see otherwise, that's up to them, I just wonder how much of it is genuine vs astroturfed by certain interests.

[@paulie-g]

Germans see it differently because they can still afford to go the game, have fun and a beer, and they've consistently refused to give that up in exchange for bigger turnover and the big money signings that would result