How Sega MURDERED Sonic's Egg Dragoon

Analyzing a one-off boss battle from Sonic Unleashed that just keeps getting re-used, and how it's been slowly degraded over time.
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[@wildbill7942]

I've got some specifics as to *how* Generations neutered the Egg Dragoon's music track: -The original's sporadic breakbeat drum n' bass percussion is watered down to an easy-to-follow rhythm with little punch. -The opening melody is no longer performed solely by brass instruments (which bring alarm klaxons to mind), which instead take a backseat to strings, which lack the bright timbre. Speaking of strings... -The high wailing of the violin from the original is cut entirely. Before the original fight even starts, there's a scene where Sonic struggles to find his bearings while in freefall backed solely by the percussion and violin solo, before Eggman descends in time with the song's climax. In Generations, it truly feels like Eggman and Sonic are just going through the motions. No showmanship and no substance, reflected perfectly through this Diet Egg Dragoon track.

[@niknokYT]

That's some awesome insight, thank you!

[@derautisadrianos7050]

Forces did worse than generations

[@fooldiamond5452]

I'm personally a fan of the idea that it's more like thus: They're not going through the motions, they're both going for broke. They want to win without question. But they aren't pissed at each other.

[@yrooxrksvi7142]

Thank you ! I've been saying this for 10 years. It's a dull, by-the-numbers, uneventful chase boss with a really HORRIBLE 2D sidescrolling section in between, and has none of the urgency or umph of the Unleashed version. And the music is utterly degraded. To make it all worse, the final cutscene ends with a stupid Colors quip about "Durrr I beat u evritim like itz muh jawb or smth" to drain any shred of climax away even further.

[@yrooxrksvi7142]

@@derautisadrianos7050 Yes, but Generations was already a massive downgrade.

[@OhDearDoc]

Imagine you destroy Disneyland and Walt Disney himself comes to destroy you in a mech like bruh

[@adamsaunders97]

The Walt Whoopin'

[@tech34756]

Ok, now I'm imagining the two Bobs walking down Main Street when the Walt Dragoon shows up piloted by Walt's thawed head. "To all who come to this happy place, give up and die already" (fires spike at them).

[@bennittotheburrito9606]

⁠@@adamsaunders97the martial Micky

[@yvngkage1235]

@@bennittotheburrito9606Disney Deathmatch

A Disney themed mech.

[@orenges7034]

I think the funny thing is, Eggman built the egg dragoon as a Sonic the HEDGEHOG counter, and data didn’t pick up on Werehog with the use of heavy armour and firepower . Meanwhile he built the machine again in Generations as a Werehog encounter not a Hedgehog one, by applying more mobility and evasive tactics, alongside a freezing weapon to hold him still. Well that’s how I see it.

[@niknokYT]

Doesn't really hold up because the one in Generations isn't a new build of the Egg Dragoon, it's the same one ripped straight from the boss fight in Unleashed. That's a great concept though, I actually love that. Eggman's attempts to one-up Sonic backfire in his face. Shame it's not the case but still very good idea!

[@aynsley7098]

@@niknokYT Another cool detail is the fact that in the forces fight you can see quite the few scratches. (I'm guessing this is a reference to the other 2 fights.)

[@chewee4ever811]

@@niknokYTactually there are differences The generations one has a tail and had two cockpits, the unleashed ones didn’t have those.

[@RameNoodls]

@@niknokYTit is the case

[@umcaraquegostadeduo856]

Theres one more slight flaw in this, the PS2/Wii version of the Unleashed Egg Dragoon has a freezing atack, though it's area of effect is considerably bigger than the generations version

[@mothramaster1837]

So, in defense of the Egg Dragoon boss fight in Generations. The fire laser *is* used, most videos however don't demonstrate it because Robotnik needs enough time to finish his Ice Shockwave attack in the 3D sections (this includes not grinding on the Rails) to say "BURN!" and use that Arm Cannon properly, which is entirely dependant on if you have Boost or not. In phase 2 same deal. As for his Drill Attack, you *do* actually have to sidestep it because you CANNOT jump over the explosion it causes. The boss fight in Generations *knew* it couldn't match the Story Intensity of Unleashed, and instead went ham in the gameplay department by making the Egg Dragoon a final exam of Modern Sonic's gameplay (which is done fantastically because unlike... Y'know, some Eggman Bosses, you're actually doing something, and the fight can QUICKLY turn sour, I recall losing a lotta lives when I first met this boss, wheras I don't think I could lose to the Unleashed Egg Dragoon once, even casually). 3D sections, 2D sections, Walljumping, Rail Grinding, and Freefalling all in a single boss fight, the Egg Dragoon in Generations is the *real* final boss of that game, the Time Eater is more of a finale.

[@jangrahovar4760]

It alsow has a split atack where it splits in to the litel mech and shuts ice and the fier laser

[@eggsandbacon892]

The way I dodged those drill explosions was jumping so this kinda confuses me

[@LucarioBot]

honestly, the egg dragoon is suffering a similar issue to many other things in the meta era which is being brought back for the sake of fanservice without really thinking about why it was so popular Shadow The Hedgehog is an infamous example and Knuckles and Tails were already victims of the issue post-heroes era they kept being brought back bc they were popular characters but they lacked what made them so popular in the first place honestly feels like what happened to the Egg Dragoon

[@JaniacTheHedgehog]

Just letting you know the Generations version of the Egg Dragoon is piloted by the Eggman who's behind the Time Eater and the events of the game, hence why he's calmer.

[@SabeNo-rh7mb]

Something else too. You probably couldn't have known this if you hadn't played it, but if you take too long to beat Eggman in the original Egg Dragoon fight, Eggman eventually just says fuck it and destroys your last platform, and sends you to the lava below. Killing you and forcing you to restart the whole fight. *And he laughs like an absolute madman right before he does it too.*

[@kaydakitty3566]

Something I like to think is that the Egg Dragoon in Unleashed isn’t finished and the generations version is the finished product because of the amount of things the generations version can do that the unleashed version can’t and I think it adds to Eggmans desperation for him to use a robot that isn’t even finished yet.

[@arandomdudeontheinternet9310]

He did call it prototype after all

[@TheAzulmagia]

If you didn't know, the Egg Dragoon fight in Unleashed is actually timed and both Chip and Sonic will get increasingly worried as they run out of "ground" to land on. Eggman even has a special quote if he manages to destroy your last bit of footing: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nXalkmpjlqaLgc0

[@lasercraft32]

The Egg Dragoon was LITERALLY the Final Boss for the Werehog Sonic side of Sonic Unleashed... Its insulting how much they butchered it. They treat it like just a standard Eggman mech, and its pathetic.

[@origin484]

you get the “most entertaining and informative egg dragoon video” award seriously though this was great, totally subscribing

[@niknokYT]

Thanks!

[@Jose-hm2vw]

12:24 That laser eggman shoots out at the beginning of the Generations Egg Dragoon fight actually comes into play a little later in the fight tho very easily avoidable that's all I wanted to say I agree with everything else great video

[@nomnom2407]

I got exposed to Dragoon for thr first time in Forces. And I liked it. Went back to Generations and I liked it there as well. Then I looked at Unleashed, and my jaw dropped to the floor.

[@stardragon01]

The Egg Dragoon was designed to counter Sonic the Hedgehog according to Sonic Unleashed. So Werehog vs Dragoon was an easy fight because it wasn’t designed with the Werehog in mind. Still it was a fun boss. The Egg Dragoon in Generations was a harder fight. Mainly because it was designed to beat Morden Sonic. So could someone explain to me why the Egg Dragoon MK 2 can’t held Classic Sonic?

[@Wattson19]

Because that one was an Egg Dragoon created by the Phantom Ruby, and we all know that the Phantom Ruby's creations are quite fragile. An example of that was when Shadow one shotted his Phantom version. The same goes for Phantom Egg Dragoon.

[@stardragon01]

@@Wattson19 The Egg Dragoon isn’t a phantom ruby creation. It just 10% weaker than the one in Generation. While Shadow one shot his fake, Zavok, Metal Sonic, the Final Death Robot, and the Hard Heavy Boiled took effort. Heavy King took Super Sonic to stop.

[@memezabelle]

honestly maybe the same argument could be said for egg dragoon in forces where it didn't perform as well cause it was meant for modern but fought classic

[@stardragon01]

@@memezabelle The way I see it, classic Sonic is a younger inexperienced Modern Sonic. Anything Classic can do, Modern can do as well. Egg Dragoon was started to be designed based on Eggman’s years of research on Sonic. Werehog is different from normal Sonic. While Classic is just a younger Sonic.

[@steamachest2077]

Good video! I did spot a minor error here though, Egg Dragoon in Generations DOES fire the red laser that's shown in the opening, he just sometimes never does it. He mainly does this when he splits in two, I think it's more likely to do it if you decide not to jump on the rail and run up close to him, though he can end up doing it either way. Though if you're on hard mode, he goes ham with it like there's no tomorrow! Or at least as I remember it, I used to play the game on my PS3, which means he could have a higher chance of doing it there than on other versions. [likely due to wacky porting, the boss fight is already jank at times, so this doesn't seem entirely unlikely to me]

[@mintyaquagreen1675]

Fun fact, the Egg Dragoon theme is also a remix of the Deep Core theme (A.K.A Egg Wizard).

[@breadsticks2202]

More on the beginning part of the Egg Dragoon fight in Sonic Unleashed. To highlight that Sonic COULD die, Eggman literally says to him, “This gorge shall be your tomb!” I found that so cool.

[@deltamachine343]

The Egg Dragoon is my favorite Eggman mecha. Is the one that cost me the most to beat and the only one that has actually scared me when it was about to destroy the last rock platform. I love everything about it, and the soundtrack is the most incredible and it matches perfectly the atmosphere. But in Forces... They made it another badnik that can be easily defeated. They broke my heart with it.

[@yrooxrksvi7142]

They ruined it already in Generations by making it a dull and TEDIOUS chase boss with an awful 2D sidescroll section. And the music is so nerfed. Ending with a lame Colors joke.

[@ownsundae]

Finally someone understands how great that mech is

[@crowblack3727]

I like to think that the unleashed dragoon is eggman's flaw of being impatient coming full circle. He rushed the awakening of dark gaia, forceing him to regather it parts. He rushed ejecting sonic into space, neglecting to grab the chaos emeralds. He rushed off after Sonic confronted him in Mazuri, accidentally leading Sonic to the first gaia temple. Things like that just keep happening until he decides to fight sonic in the prototype 1, "prototype", as in it is literally not finished. That may explain things like why the shield generators are in an exposed spot or why the controls can be locked up simply by punching it. Eggman plan was great, but he was too eager to beat Sonic, and he made careless mistakes at nearly every opportunity, leading to his utimate failure.

[@niknokYT]

Oh that is awesome, I like that interpretation VERY much.

[@wesleygriffiths8748]

Pretty sure he did use the fire strip attack in Generations. At least in Hard Mode. Also, you have to consider that in that game, the developers had to redesign the boss for a Day Stage. Playing the original boss as Day Sonic wpuld have sucked, especially since it was canonically designed to counter him specifically.

[@Kookie_13_]

I like the version of generations egg dragoon, it was originally meant for regular sonic, and so the werehog could just tear it apart and now Eggman got the chance to finish it, it’s no longer a prototype, and regular sonic can fight it Eggman finally gets to see if the egg dragoon could have worked, you can see he’s upset when he says, Wha- no I was supposed to beat you this time! At the end of the boss

[@PoloSwoolish]

I’m really surprised that I ended enjoying a video about only one eggman robot but here we are

[@jchadwick4918]

I don’t think you’re really doing the Generations version justice, and I do recommend you play it. Obviously it loses grandiosity the same way every boss but Metal and Silver do, but that’s just symptomatic of putting end-game bosses in Generation’s lack of story. The boss is still animated excellently, and it feels like a real menace. The gun arm is used for an attack! It does a huge rotating-fire-laser-cage thing, and it’s pretty cool. Just about all of the guides on KZbin beat the phase before the attack comes out tho. Shame, as it’s probably his flashiest attack. I think its only real failing is its pacing. There’s a badass attack phase where the top and bottom halves separate and bombard you with ice waves and fire lasers and it’s AWESOME, but if you’re keeping pace with the boss (and especially if you’re using the jump pads that launch you up to the grind rails) he’ll almost never use it. In conclusion, it’s an awesome boss and you should definitely give it a go. It’s a real shame that beating it optimally means you don’t see some of the awesome stuff, and I really wish there were better videos showcasing them.

[@fersebas2886]

What I can say about each version of the egg dragoon is that eggman is increasingly calmer, and the most remembered thing about the first battle is that he was completely unhinged and even more so with the original theme you could tell this, given the fact that eggman He rushed and used a prototype before fully testing the robot, I feel that the next one in generations was the full version of this plus it added more functions to defeat Sonic. In generations this essence is completely lost but it is complemented by the fact that Eggman now improved it and even if he loses, he knows that he has a time eater for later, literally the guy improved the egg dragoon for this fight and this is completely ruined in the execution of the battle for the rails that leaves all the creative attacks such as the lines of fire or the freezing rays that he launches from his feet in the background. In Forces it is more or less explained why he is so degraded taking into account the dialogue that he lost 10% of his abilities but Tails calls him a liar, maybe this egg dragoon is only what Eggman was able to restore from the original and it is not complete , it lost all the charisma and could have been more creative about it with this issue, I only feel the essence that Eggman once again uses an incomplete robot to defeat Sonic but this is lost since it is classic Sonic and how the execution of the boss is very disappointing

[@SHIGARAKI010]

The egg Dragoon is the most fun design I have ever seen it's very cool to fight the boss in the ending so yeah 💯

[@Razorstolemycar]

I think that the egg dragoon is one of the strongest eggman robots! Because with the first cutscene of unleashed. I always assumed that the robot eggman uses, was some kind of prototype of the egg dragoon. I mean it was literally built to counter and kill Sonic! With machine gun fire, that keeps Sonic at bay, homing missles, that can keep up and knock Sonic off balance. And a giant claw hand that can catch Sonic! Like if Sonic didn't have the chaos emeralds, then he probably wouldn't have survived everything that the mech threw at him! Then he upgraded it into the egg dragoon! Which was designed to counter base Sonic since he never really fought against werehog Sonic in the game. The ice and drill upgrades would have probably ended base Sonic, if were being real, but since the werehog form has super strength, then it kinda counters the dragoon!

[@edgarberlanga6885]

Same boat on never getting to Egg Dragoon in Unleashed, but the fight in Generations is actually my favorite boss fight in the game. I remember playing it about 3 time a day. I think it might be the fun aspect, that Sonic and Eggman were having fun. I get that it's not as serious as the original fight, but it's not supposed to be. The Eggman in in Generations isn't livid anymore, it's the 300 IQ Eggman that's planning to lose the battle for the war The Dragoon fight in Forces, however, was irresponsible.

[@kirbstagoontheaxolotl]

Most people don't see this as an icon. I see the egg dragoon as an icon, as someone who first played the Sonic series with Unleashed. I have replayed this game for over 15 years (PS2 save file was corrupted last year and I need to get a disc drive to get a copy I can play the story in now bc mine's got scratches from the amount of times I played it) and one day, while playing it, I noticed something with both the Egg Lancer and the Egg Dragoon. The Egg Lancer, as you stated, cobbles together both the Egg Beetle and Egg Devil Ray (tysm for noticing it), but what isn't really talked about is the Egg Dragoon does something similar, at least in PS2/Wii versions. The three attacks when he's not breaking the platform are ALL BASED OFF OF THE PRIOR THREE NIGHTTIME BOSSES. The fireball projectiles that home in on you just like the feathers of the Dark Gaia Phoenix, the icy blasts the Dark Moray charges up at you that can freeze you are here too, fired as a charged attack from the gun and the electrically charged hammer swing from the Dark Guardian (Sidenote: That boss is PATHETIC, I have a record of UNDER 20 SECONDS on it) translates to the electrically charged drill swipe. And even the drill could be a refrence to the opening cutscene, with the earth broken apart. Just bc we don't have the voice lines PS3 and xbox 360 have (I will get the xbox version one day) it does not downplay the epicness factor, especcially as you get TWO CHANCES to regain lost health (rings) and they're when you're freefalling I have never played Generations, but the boss fight looks tolerable to me Sonic forces just butchered my boy, I literally was like 'I'm disowning this Egg Dragoon fight' as soon as I played it Wyvern from Frontiers... Well, it's too similar to be a coincidence, right? But if it is actually related, then it's a return to the Unleashed form as the fight was EPIC

[@lasercraft32]

Its even worse when they brought it back in Sonic Forces, and you have Classic Sonic take it down literally by throwing rocks at it. (Oh... this is why you only comment AFTER you finish watching the video... you actually covered it).

[@coolguyofawesomenful]

Nice video, although the egg dragoon does fire it's laser at Sonic in generations, it's just that most videos don't show it because the attack is canceled if you get to the 2d section.

[@BrandoGlaceon]

8:40 Those power the shield that surrounds Eggman's protective glass, as the shield goes away after Sonic rips them off. Geez, *I LOVE THIS BOSS WAY TOO MUCH-*

[@BrandoGlaceon]

I did notice you caught on... Nice. Well done video by the way.

[@chad6120]

Darn, I was expecting a remark on eggman's final line in unleashed that he uses when you actually run out of time and die by falling into the earth's core I find it really interesting that he specifically says that there's nowhere left to run given how running is sonic's thing. But yeah no remorse or sadness like back in SA 2, nah it's over for sonic and you can clearly hear eggman laughing for that

[@abyss-aster8748]

They massacred our boi egg dragoon 🥲

[@ultmswag3170]

easily

[@paytonbostwick2899]

fun bits about the unleashed dragoon - eggman has not seen the werehog in combat during the entire game. the dragoon was built with only data on regular sonic. likely it was designed to be fast enough to be out of sonic's reach, and even then, the cockpit was the obvious spot to target. if sonic were in his comfort zone he would have gone straight for the cockpit. however, due to his slower speed he had to actually think about his approach. additionally, he would have had a much harder time ripping them out without the stretchy arms. it's seemingly built for range and to be high up as well, taking into account sonic's lack of flight (ignoring how he has all the chaos emeralds here). however, the continent is still floating here, and dark gaia is complete, so all evidence suggests eggman has won, despite sonic's resistance. (side note - if sonic and chip had visited professor pickle one less time they would have gotten there soon enough to prevent dark gaia from being released). however, he seemed to have run out of time to design it since the gens version has the ice feet. canon-wise that was likely a cut feature from the dragoon, but during gens eggman has the opportunity to finish it, although it still wasn't enough. and then he mustve designed the forces version with a brain injury since it completely loses all ferocity and gets beaten by fucking classic sonic. went from one of eggman's greatest creations to a monument to the fuckup that forces was.

[@dangangalaxy9759]

I'm so glad you made this video. The Egg Dragoon is my favorite Sonic boss in so many criteria. Like you said, I love the atmosphere SO so much. Sonic in his more aggressive Werehog form, having destroyed the mechanical paradise his nemesis has spent so many years trying to realize, careening down towards the center of the earth on rubble as Eggman is so mad he's no longer toying around with their rivalry as usual, actually fighting to kill for once. Outside the classics, this is the first time it feels like Sonic and Eggman are truly and earnestly giving it their all against each other, going head to head purely for the sakes of their egos and hatred for each other in that moment. They are no longer obstacles in each others' way; they themselves ARE the final objective. It's exhilarating. And musically? It's my favorite boss theme of all time. I fell in love the first time I heard it as a kid, and that love has only gotten stronger with time. I even appreciate the Generations remix; it's inferior to the original, but I love the song so much that I will graciously take any crumbs, any remix and mashup I can get my hands on, official or fanmade, to experience my favorite boss battle song in a new way. So imagine my utter disappointment when my favorite Sonic boss was announced to be returning in Forces, only for it to be reduced to the disappointment it was, and its theme NOT EVEN BEING A REMIX OF THE ORIGINAL SONG. Glad there are other Egg Dragoon lovers like me out there. Even if it never returns, I do hope we get a Sonic/Eggman clash as heated as this one again someday, and with a theme on par with, if not surpassing, the Egg Dragoon's.

[@cyberwolf5896]

While Egg Dragoon theme still does feel a bit more watered down in generations than unleashed, I still liked that they kept the orchestral feel to it. I think outside of a few level tracks and the final boss fight it is one of the few that doesn’t really incorporate much synth into the theme. Not that synth in music is bad, the rest of generation’s soundtrack is still amazing, but when it comes to the egg dragoon, I feel it’s important to keep that orchestral grandness it had in unleashed because that was part of its identity, which they did do which was more than enough for me to enjoy it in gens despite having removed some really good parts. Now imagine my surprise when it shows up in forces and its theme is now ENTIRELY incorporated of synth and digitized instruments with not a single orchestra instrument to be heard with no grandness or tension in its theme. They really did make the egg dragoon feel like just another eggman mech here

[@gunman8452]

Another cool detail about it is the fact that it uses attacks from the Werehog bosses, the lighting drill is from Dark Guardian, the Ice bomb is from Dark Moray, and the flaming bullets from Dark Gaia Phoenix.

[@shoelace5977]

Btw: dragoon is an actual word. from what I could gleam from Wikipedia, it means something akin to artillery or cavalry or special unit etc. essentially meaning “big guns”. If this is true, the egg dragoon would be named so due to its arsenal, being equipped with a fir shooting Gatling/ cryo cannon and a lance/drill launcher. I now contest the title as biggest egg dragoon fan by having simply googled the word dragoon.

[@SuperBlueGamer9000]

Well for the egg dragoon in forces it was stated to have lost a lot of its combat strength by eggman himself, also if you look at the machine again in close details you can see that its paint job is unfinished, the wings are fully out and look corrupted and there are multiple scratches as if eggman was planning in upgrading it midway but hasn't fully finished it hence why it lost its combat strength and more than likely the finished product of MK2 was probably gonna be a combination of what we got in generations and forces along with it being powered up by the energy of the phantom ruby, and have better shield orotection over the body plus more however eggman never finished it and thus it came iut the way that it did that's also why eggman wasnt too salty about losing it due to it being an unfinished project that he put back on doing and due to the fact that he focused more on the phantom ruby

[@Flycanjack]

The egg dragoon is one of if not my favorite boss fight in sonic history! The story behind it, almost feeling like the wrap up to Sonic adventure 1 and 2 with the giant tentacle god and BLOWING UP THE PLANET instead of the moon. The falling to the core, the music, the dialogue EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS FIGHT IS JUST UGHHH SO GOOD. And it was bastardized... Hell, even the fact that you fight this thing RIGHT after beating Egg man land, a level that'll take most beginners AN HOUR to beat! (I love eggman land, favorite sonic stage of all time fr)

[@What.I.said.was.]

Unleashed there is barriers stopping you from falling off

[@connordoesamazing3009]

What if in the generations fight you are running on the walls of unleashed egg dragoon fight

[@juliansoria7733]

Honestly Egg Dragoon is MY personal favourite Egg Weapon Eggman has created, and while I wish it could return from time to time, I do hope it returns with glory

[@bananblob7432]

I’ve always been interested in this robot too! And I also used to think that the name was dumb for the misspelling, but it’s actually a pun. “Dragoon” is a real word- it refers to soldiers that ride horses, so it’s actually a reference to either the Eggmobile connecting on top or the second detaching robot on the bottom. And it’s a dragon. Obviously. Dragon rider, dragon dragoon. Egg Dragoon.

[@niknokYT]

Oh wow, that's really interesting, thanks! It's probably referring to Eggman as the rider, considering the detachable bottom half wasn't a thing until Generations. That makes a lot more sense for a name now though, especially what with the mech's more intense, "built for warfare" kind of feel in Unleashed.

[@Hyp3rSonic]

Imo, the egg dragoon boss from generations is a challenge boss fight. I lost quite a few lives playing it for the 1st time. So imo, the gameplay was massively improved. And i rly love the remix. I also kinda like the Forces one.

[@Taraku43]

I think the Egg Dragoon can work as reoccuring machine, simply because it was Eggman's mech that got the closest to killing Sonic. They just need to improve it between games. Generations did it really well and showed how an upgrade for it can look like. And who knows, maybe at one point, it will be the final boss with a not just good boss fight, but the best Sonic has ever seen

[@metaknightjudgesyoursins4710]

Eh, I feel like the Egg Dragoon being lesser in Generations… is kinda the point. Just a reminder, when Sonic first fought this thing, he was very limited. He was a werehog, so he couldn’t use his speed to get out of this situation and he needed to rely on his strength to destroy the thing and the Egg Dragoon is flying 24/7, so it’s gonna be tough for him (if it weren’t for the “fuck me” lights on the bottom”). In Generations however, Sonic’s back in his normal form and probably knows how to take this thing out since he did it back in Unleashed, and Eggman knows this, this is why he isn’t really telling Sonic to die or doing all he can, cuz he knows he has a backup plan, the Time Eater. Meanwhile in Unleashed, Sonic just destroyed most of his carnival and undid damn near everything Eggman did to wake Dark Gaia up, of course he’s gonna be unhinged! Even Eggman’s “I was supposed to beat you this time!” after you destroyed the bot, sounds like if a kid didn’t beat his friend in a race. To sum it up: in Unleashed, Eggman reminded Sonic that he was still “Robotnik” And in Generations, Robotnik reminded Sonic that he was still “Eggman”. And that’s why i think the Generations boss is lacking to me (though, I still kinda liked the fight since it still seemed cool to me). As for Forces… I have no words for that..

[@niknokYT]

You definitely put wayyyyyy more thought into that than Sonic Team ever did, but as far as headcanons explaining this franchise's shitfuckery go, I quite like that one.

[@mintyaquagreen1675]

Even Burnbot from Sonic Boom was a little similar to Egg Dragoon.

[@bjkaye9918]

The egg dragon has to be one of my favorite eggman mechs. I know had a big downgrade, but imagined if they took everything from all egg dragon fights, like attack wise, and threw it all together.

[@zaikozako4785]

We can justify the change of sonic unleashed and generation music by saying it’s day and night time theme (trying to force myself to believe it 😂)

[@jaredtherock5692]

Speaking as someone who adored playing this as a kid and an adult: That feeling of desperation and finality is felt in the gameplay especially if you didn't properly upgrade your abilities. The real thing i think is mostly ignored is that if you're REALLY bad at the original fight, Chip will warn you that there is no more platforms to fall back on, there is no more ground between you and the molten core of the earth. With that warning, Eggman responds with this dreadfully, eeriely, and almost contented line of "No where left to run." I highly recommend playing it yourself. Generations in atmosphere does feel like a watered down version, but part of that feeds into the narrative of Generations, as its implies for most of the boss fights that some things have changed for the villains benefit, especially for the two fights where Eggmans are involved. By the nature of the narrative in Generations, it is intentionally hollowed out, because plan A was just to see if any of Eggman's plans could have stopped Sonic. You even get that in the cutscene after when Eggman responds with "i really thought i had you this time" after the generations fight. Edit: Something else worthy of note: Dragoon is an actual word! Its common use was a noun to describe a member of a large calvery in british armies. It gives the impression that the "prototype" was meant to be one of hundreds in an army Eggman would use to attain domination of the world

[@lioneljones3140]

The musical difference you’re noticing is the violin shrills in the background that aren’t present in Generations. Probably done because you aren’t falling into the Earth’s core anymore

[@TheManBehindTheTaco]

The egg dragoon is just going through what metal did.began at the top ended as being a joke

[@plumcave9942]

Amazing video, very much agree, but one mistake I noticed, the fire laser thing DOES come back in the fight, but only rarely and it's not very hard, which is unfortunate because it is, in concept, sick as hell, the barrels of a machine gun splitting to fire beams of fire in every direction. I also like that the Egg dragoon in Generations is technically to different functioning robots (oh, you just adressed that, cool), and the feet actually have a use, though I agree the pidley ice spike thing is pretty underwhelming, though the ice wave is cool, even if it's to small actuallybe a threat. A larger wave in combination with other attacks to throw you off balance would be cool. So much missed potential. By the by, you should check out the remix by GaMetal, it's different, but sounds soooooo bloody good.

[@MysteryMrE]

I just realised. the top part of the eggdragoon IS the opening mecha eggman used just stacked onto a bigger and more better fighting one and watching this video has made me realise this.

[@comicfan1324]

Although I agree that this fundamentally pails in comparison to its original encounter in unleashed, allow me to give a perspective as someone who hadn’t played unleashed or generations before playing Sonic Forces (yes at the time I was a legitimate “noob” to the series. Before playing Sonic Forces my only experience with sonic was Lego dimensions and the Olympic Games.) Even as casual, I recognize phase 1 was a homage to the original Eggman boss fight. Which I was satisfied this was just supposed to be a throwaway callback… but then after defeating the boss suddenly this towering mech rises from the background. Kid me was freaking out thinking “oh my God this is the coolest mech I’ve ever seen!” And then the boss fight changed from Eggman playing with passive defense to him aggressively firing spears at sonic and kicking boulders. Again, once you played the other two bosses, this battle kind of sucks, but I think it is worth noting that for some people, like me we hadn’t played the original fights and such this was the first encounter I had with this legendary machine and I will always remember my first reaction to this beautiful mech suit

[@niknokYT]

This is a really interesting perspective, thank you for sharing!

[@comicfan1324]

@@niknokYT No probably. This is one of my favorite non-sentient robots in the series. And although I’ve learned to appreciate it for how incredible it was in unleashed and to a lesser extent sonic generations, I think a large part of my enjoyment for the machine does come from that initial wonder of seeing this massive show up when I was expecting the boss fight to be just a little call back to the first sonic game. Now I just wish that we could have something that combines the best elements of all three bosses. The spectacle anthem the first fight with all the bells and whistles it had. Then take the split mechanic from generations. And finally take that tail whip from forces which uses to launch pieces of the environment at sonic. I think all three would be the perfect evolution of this machine. (I’d rather see new boss fights, but if they have to bring it back, I think taking notes from all three would be pretty cool)

[@Khyon521]

The only points Force’s Dragoon gets is for design.

[@Umbra_Ursus]

They could bring it back, but play up that original vibe. Have the theoretical MK3 be a blend of the Egg Dragoon and Metal Robotnik, and have it be the grand finale: End of the game, you just beat the newest freak of the week, and you've entirely broken down the bedrock of what'd have been Robotropolis. Then, in comes the newest Dragoon (Maybe call it the Egg Arch-Dragoon?), and Eggman is just *done,* making a single enraged threat before flying off into a blind rage. Give it an even more intense remix of the Unleashed theme akin to Doom 2016, and have the whole fight be akin to a mix of Meta-Ridleys. Boom, back to it's glory days, and then some.

[@naomilii614]

Both the Generations and Unleashed versions of the Egg Dragoon music use midi soundfonts to create the vibe, but the ones in Generations just feel more muddied overall. The higher frequencies are much less prominent, making each "stab" in the music less prominent. How much energy was in each percussive stab in the original helped give the song its intensity RIGHT away. And honestly when you make a change that big to the overall sound without changing the structure of the song to adjust for it, it reads entirely differently. The strings have that same problem, which makes them less prominent in the middle section (the one you used as an example to represent the intensity). You're absolutely right in that it is effectively the same structure, and thats its biggest flaw, as the midi files used just somehow sound higher quality, but worse for the song in question. (I think the Egg Dragoon theme is my favorite boss theme in any Sonic game, and I'm a composer, so I have a LOT of opinions about this downgrade, and I think you were completely right about its flaws)

[@niknokYT]

Thanks so much for the insight!

[@warr_toast1139]

Egg dragoon is I think one Eggmans most badass mechs aside from the Death egg Robot, it also has a very awesome looking animation of it rotating its body, the fact youre falling from eggmanland to the earths core, very climatic location. Though it was awesome to see it again in Sonic Generations, but it has new twist, its much faster, and has more weaponary. Can even split its body into separate machines. Though I still prefer the fight in Unleashed, but we can all agree they are both way better than the one in forces.

[@mintyaquagreen1675]

They treated that mech and it's theme too poorly.

[@Skypatroller_BenCD]

07:53 no because in the FREAKING WII VERSION THAT NO ONE TALKS ABOUT he says that in EVERYONE of his boss battle

[@seematahir5970]

Great video, but I honestly hard disagree with the first half. Unleashed's version of the Egg Dragoon is phenomenal in terms of story and context, with Eggman and Sonic duking it and hurtling towards the center of the planet, each empowered by Dark Gaia's energy and out for blood, but the gameplay itself? It's a little eh. The ED's got a wide variety of attacks but it's not aggressive enough to leave an impact. It kinda just...floats around most of the time with really easy to dodge attacks and also 25% of the boss is just QTE's. What I love about the Generations version is that not only do they make Egg Dragoon more aggressive, but they redesign so that it could be a daytime boss in Unleashed akin to the Egg Beetle. Also, it DOES have an attack that utilizes its gatling arm that you probably just didn't see, and its sick as hell. If you wait long enough, the gatling arm divides into six streams of fire that encircle the arena and damage you on contact. It's very hard to dodge and its awesome. I also don't agree that there were no other good bosses for them to choose from the Modern Era. The Nega Wisp Amor was an awesome, thematic boss that could use some expansion, and it was also from Colors, a game that was much better recieved at the time than Unleashed. You could also make a similar, albeit weaker, case for the Egg Wyvern from 06. But Sonic Team didn't go for either. They went with the Egg Dragoon, because they knew it was the Modern boss that left the most impact of them all. (They probably toned down the music and aggressive Eggman dialogue because Generations was marketed as more family-friendly than Unleashed, and as I said before, Unleashed and its more serious tone did not go down well for most critics at the time. A worthy sacrifice, imo) Also, if you want a bit more challenge out of the Generations boss, I'd recommend playing it on Hard Mode. It becomes one of the most challenging yet fair bosses I've ever seen in a Sonic game and I think it deserves props for that. Also every single Generations boss besides the last one is a banger and I dont get how people don't see that. The Shadow boss was fucking sick. But yeah beyond that I agreed with everything else you said. The Egg Dragoon is underrated as hell, and fuck Forces :). Even the stuff I disagreed with was still well said and well-thought out. Great video mate.

[@niknokYT]

Hooooly shit that's a long comment lmao. But thank you, means a lot that you took the time out to say all this! And yeah like I said I haven't directly played the Unleashed or Gens Egg Dragoon fights so I couldn't say much gameplay-wise. I'm sure you're right though, everything you said seems to check out to me, I've had a couple people mention that extra fire attack that I unfortunately missed. I wanted to focus more on the theming and staging side anyway so I don't think it hurts the video too much. But still, thanks for pointing all that out!

[@seematahir5970]

@@niknokYT Lol yea sry abt the length. I still think you were right on the money with most of what you said, and everything else was still well done. Hope you start catching on with the rest of the community.

[@niknokYT]

@@seematahir5970 Oh wow, thank you!

[@Raguler]

Me when i break into this dudes house (the doors were unhinged)

[@chewee4ever811]

A thing i love with egg dragoon is just the whole purpose behind it. At this point in the series, eggman has had enough of sonic, even says during the fight “just give up and DIE already”. He isn’t holding back, he wants Sonic DEAD, all his work, all his plans, to him this is his magnum opus, his ultimate weapon. And sonic knows this too, no quips, no jokes, this is serious. Even the setting, a platform falling into the very core of the earth, this is it, he wants you dead. This is between sonic and eggman, one last fight, eggman has sonic where he wants him, and the only way out of this is through HIM

[@PhiGea]

9:00 now i'm curious as to what would happen if i missed/ignored the first qte

[@KingofBeasts444]

Eggman made an Omnimon mech to fight Sonic.

[@SwirlystarsJP]

the egg dragoon is probably my fav boss in all of sonic, its such a killer design and just speaks volumes of the atmosphere in unleashed and generations, that- and the music goes CRAZY

[@GustavoSuperSonic2001]

Man, why did they kill the best modern boss

[@TheSillyMichael]

I actually agree about that Eggman sanity. The old man pissed by some blue hedgehog in some goofy shoe's without pants destroying his entire land, who has already been ruining his plans for years, NOW GONE COMPLETELY INSANE READY TO UNLEASH ALL OF HIS ARSENAL JUST FOR ONE MUTATED ANIMAL, HE NOW CARES ABOUT NOTHING ELSE BUT KILLING SONIC THE HEDGEHOG! I love how after few moments in 06 they finally brought back original rivalry of those 2 adding some more dramatic insanityto Eggman at the finish line.

[@matthewisguy7336]

8:28 Timestamp for suddenly a Mysterio!

[@sourlab]

The eggdragoon fight in genrations is so fantastic i also have never played genrations and unleashed but their just so cool

[@shadowzealot7686]

Im pretty sure the word dragoon was based off a type of horseback rider that used a large lance as a weapon, which is pretty neat in of itself

[@brandonharristsw7516]

Well I noticed the egg crusher in Sonic prime looks like the egg dragoon

[@IMANZERO-xs5xs]

Quick thing the Egg Dragoon isnt supposed to be a dragon It is based off a dragoon which were British cavalry men trained with firearms and swords and in many forms of media a lance which is what the drill on the Egg Dragoon also because of the similarity of the dragon, dragoons are often depicted as having dragon like armor which explains the lack of tail and later addition one

[@pepekovallin]

I think I understand what you meant with the generations Egg dragoon song, the song feels less powerful, it feels too clean, as if it wasn't even made using actual instruments, but rather some Kind of "artificial" song

[@Izzyisneon]

this is truly me when i am engaging in combat with a man named Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik who is piloting a large floating mech covered in spikes with a gun and drill titled the Ultra Hyper Prototype 1 otherwise known as the Egg Dragoon whilst plummeting rapidly into the core of the earth

[@syweb2]

16:06 A "Dragoon" is a type of cavalry soldier.

[@dimitrescu4873]

ok i understand the idea. But in defense of Dragoon on generations (only 1 thing lol) the "machine gun arm" really attacks rares times saddly. When Eggman says "Burn!" will be a laser across the arena moving in circles, and when he says "Separation attack!" The laser happens with the ice wave form the inferior part. Those attacks doesnt happen more because.....Sonic is runing to fast (bad program trigger i guess)

[@JoeContext]

I honestly feel like a Classic Sonic Egg Dragoon fight done right could actually work. The falling platforms returning as the arena would fit in with 2D Sonic boss design and also having it possible to fall off the sides would add more challenge and make it harder to use the drop/spin dash, and beyond that I feel like despite Classic and Werehog playing completely differently it's easy to imagine most, if not all elements from the original Unleashed battle translating over, though you would probably have to add a bit more to it to avoid just being a 2D rehash of it, though even that would be miles better than what Forces gave us

[@jeanthmc3561]

Man you are so underrated

[@FlameGirlPlays-gq9xv]

And now its coming back in Sonic X Shadow Generations. *slides table in front of you to flip*

[@Mysterion47154]

could the egg dragoon be in frontiers somehow? like if SEGA was planning on adding it to frontiers and saw this they would probably do like the same thing they did with unleashed egg dragoon but its highly unlikely

[@matthewisguy7336]

7:38 I don’t think so, I think they really paid attention to every detail in Sonic Unleashed because of how grand it is designed

[@djbeats7925]

uinely the egg dragoon fight in generations is one of my favorite bosses due to the design and music. and I’ve never gotten through to fight the dragoon in unleashed, but I much more prefer the generations music as it’s more orchestral than the synthetic original.

[@bronykingamethystrain5676]

The Generations version of the Egg Dragoon theme is better. The OG sounds like it was made using old virtual instruments

[@artistanthony1007]

Umm you're aware that the game Unleashed was released in 2008 right? No shxt it uses old virtual instruments and please don't diss the OG theme, it's a really good theme.

[@Captain_Dee]

I really like the egg dragoon too.

[@electric_man17]

23:22 YES! FUCK THE YOU, THE BEST CHARACTER IN THE WHOLE ENTIRE SONIC FRANCHISE!

[@jackpeng1615]

I wish one day i can remake eggman bosses and the first one will be EGG DRAGOON

[@omegaproductions6660]

THANK GOD! someone i can relate to. I LOVE the Egg Dragoon.

[@tech34756]

One in universe reason I can think of for Generations being 'weaker', this was just a distraction/setup for his actual plan using Time Eater, it didn't need to be 'intense' as the stakes weren't as high. He might even have been disappointed if he won at this point as Sonic wouldn't see his actual plan. He also cut the music budget, like he later did for Colours remake.

[@rishabhlalvani1809]

16:22 I totally agree what you're saying! I think what you were trying to describe was the intensity of the music Like Unleashed's version sounded a lot more frantic and with wayy more urgency because it suited the context of the game. Generations on the other hand, sounds more like a watered down version of it making it a lot less intense because it doesn't hold the same amount of weight to it as Unleashed did Or maybe it's just 1 am as I'm writing this and I'm just overthinking it again💀💀

[@StarZorrow]

the egg dragoon boss music in unleashed really pushes the motive that, eggman, really REALLY hates sonic and this entire track solidifies his feelings towards him. the fun and bombastic side of song shows that eggman doesn't mind playing around with sonic while still being completely serious, meanwhile the dramatic and suspenseful parts show how he loathes every part of the rodent, and genuinely is out to kill him.

[@bbguy2245]

Should we tell him about the one in prime which appears for the first episode and sonic 1 shots with a homing attack with no ranged abilities?

[@setondji3361]

guys let's forget the sonic forces's egg dragoon 💀

[@inkscience]

I don’t think Egg dragoon mk2 theme is bad, it’s just very out of place, it would be more fitting for a goofy bossfight, like a sonic colours boss but with Classic sonic

[@NM-cx3vg]

Even growing up playing the Wii version of Unleashed, I understood that the Forces version of this boss was utter garbage

[@thesmilingman7576]

6:38 he did that in the intro and Omega has machine gun rounds too

[@FidgetyAttic]

I would just like to clarify I do agree with this video but there was one thing u said that was wrong if u take your time in the beginning of the fight the fire lasers actually occur Edit I am talking about the sonic generations fight