How Spider-Man: No Way Home Cuts to the Heart of Peter Parker

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Spider-Man: No Way Home is the latest MCU film and perhaps the best of from Marvel in 2021. In this video I go over how the movie uses Doc Ock and the Green Goblin well, and how it gets to the heart of Peter Parker, thanks in part to Aunt May.
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[@captainmidnight]

What did you think of No Way Home? Oh and by the way, this will be my last video of 2021, see you all next year!

[@forwhy8723]

Andrew fans have been proven right. Good to see people support him but he was always a great spiderman. He was the best part in NWH

[@Vibe1610]

Lived up to the hype and then some. I am truly amazed

[@pastorcodymitchell1456]

It was awesome

[@RealOberonn13]

It was a great Movie, and dafoe stole the show for me.

[@jomogo4644]

lockdown hit on the day that I went to the bios so I will end up downloading it or seeing it on disney+

[@sourcemercury7038]

There's something poetic about peter finally finding people that truly understand for a just moment and then immediately ending up completely alone. Thats as spiderman as it gets.

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

@Source Mercury damn, not even PS4 or Spectacular were that lonely. I’m excited for this next trilogy and hopefully this can be one spider-man adaptation or property to truly define and capture loneliness

[@kite0impulse]

Put it perfectly. The ending of this trilogy finally cemented the Tom Holland MCU iteration as a "true" spider-man

[@urlicqeldromamakolligjazva1752]

@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 going to have to wait. Tom is having a break to start a family.

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

@@urlicqeldromamakolligjazva1752 Feige already said a fourth movie is in development

[@urlicqeldromamakolligjazva1752]

@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 Tom Holland said he was going on a break. Feige can start development that doesn't mean filming will start.

[@PainCausingSamurai]

It was pointed out that the 3 Peter Parkers have a sibling dynamic that matches their movies; Toby is the mature, supportive older brother, Andrew is the somewhat awkward middle child with a lot of heart, and Tom is the younger, energetic but inexperienced brother

[@diegoledezma4045]

Even in the movie Andrew says I always wanted brothers

[@Daftanemone]

They weren’t caring enough for the loss Tom Holland had felt for my taste. He’s lost the most out of any spider men.

[@jackdixon1892]

@@Daftanemone the only thing he lost, that they were aware of was his aunt, they don’t have a relationship with Tony in their respective universes and he doesn’t tell them that everyone is going to forget him before strange sends them back. They showed the right amount of sympathy, even identifying times in their lives where they faced loss and how they grew from it or mismanagemented it in Garfield’s case

[@jackdixon1892]

@@Daftanemone they literally helped him honor his dead aunts wishes…

[@danischannel]

@@Daftanemone if they showed more emotions and all 3 cried together it would have turned into a pity party

[@AlexanderBlues1228]

To me, the most incredible part of “No Way Home” is that they broke the “too many villains” curse of “Spider-Man 3” and “Amazing Spider-Man 2” by having MORE villains AND more Spider-Men!

[@hyronvalkinson1749]

It's because they had the same exact origin, unlike most overpacked movies that try to create personal origins for each villain. Their characters and motivations were expressed in their cross-communication rather than in individual scenes. It also helps that nobody required an introduction other than capturing them.

[@liv97497]

True, but I think it only works because they're established characters, and we know their dynamics, their motivations, etc. But I think this movie also inadvertently (or maybe even intentionally) ties up a lot of loose ends from those last movies, or at least, give us a new understanding of them. I think we're more used to seeing multiple villains over one story arc now, because we got so many movies with the same characters back to back. I think it's undeniable that the dynamics of superhero movies are different today than they were then, so I think having that many antagonists feels more natural. But I also thing a key feature is that the villains aren't the *actual* antagonists here; it's a lot more about Peter's choices and the consequences for his actions. All in all, a great way to feature multiple villains.

[@DoctorJammer]

Villains' backstories were already established....That's why

[@SUKADIK4]

Only the uneducated people thought this movie was good when clearly it was not if you were paying attention to it lmao🤣. Kevin Feige manipulated a lot of idiots to go see this garbage in theatre’s and robbed them taking their money lol. Glad I watched this a home for free🤣. This movie is a👎👎👎. Mess up number 1, Mess up number 1, it’s 100 percent fan service instead of a enjoyable movie which kills a lot of things. Mess up number 2, Only in Kevin Feige’s dumb little mind that Spider-Man can beat Dr.Strange in his own dimension when we all really know that dr.strange can easily hold Spider-Man in place and take the box from him without even trying. Mess up number 2, This movie is really all about Spider-Man getting into MIT which is definitely a dumb way building this movie around. Why didn’t he just go to another college? Not difficult to do lol. Mess up number 3, they focused way to much on the fan service side more than making an enjoyable movie. Mess up number 4, the pacing in this movie is atrocious. It drags on during multiple parts of the movie for way to long and the action in this movie was so bland. 🙄🤣

[@wildercerrate7295]

It works but personally I could’ve seen 15 more minutes to give the lizard and sandman more screen time

[@ShyyGaladriel]

I think Aunt May’s reaction to dying works. She’s literally in shock, she doesn’t realize she’s in pain, and she still has enough strength and blood in her body to function. It makes sense for her to behave in this way, especially given the way she always brushes things off so other people are put first. It was very good imo.

[@swagboyme]

It was a bad scene tbh but we'll look past it because they gave the fans what they wanted lol

[@OoXLR8oO]

@@swagboyme It’s not bad lmao that’s literally how people in shock react.

[@danielruiz8259]

@@swagboyme dude, adrenaline is a hell of a drug

[@swagboyme]

@@danielruiz8259 It's nitpicky but I found Tom Holland's call for help while she was dying not compelling enough. I just didn't feel the weight of her death scene as much as Uncle Ben's in the Raimi's Spiderman.

[@ekremslayer3389]

@@swagboyme maybe it's cause be immediately knows its his fault and he's just too focused on aunt may

[@MateusAntonioBittencourt]

Willem Dafoe gave 150% of himself. Every scene he was in he was AMAZING. Dude IS the green goblin. No need for masks. Man...

[@Ironcabbit]

I really hope there’s an Oscorp in the MCU and it’s led by a much more subtle and calculating him.

[@jannclaudebinoya]

@@Ironcabbit like a Lex Luthor ironman kind of Green goblin. The kind of villain that kills you with words

[@musiclover_kb4913]

He DOESN'T MISS A BEAT

[@alanplays2881]

@@Ironcabbit Norman was freaking out at Feast because Oscorp didn't exist. Stark tower will probably turn into the Baxter building for the fantastic 4

[@december1to31]

You know he's something of a scientist himself

[@rogueguardian]

I think Andrew's Spider-Man being nervous and calling himself lame is a direct reference to the backlash he first received when his movies came out, (of course now that's not the case) it's very self-aware, so to hear so many cheers when he came out the portal warmed my heart.

[@mischievousjr.9299]

Yes

[@naruske97]

Agree, it was sweet that the other comforted him

[@ebensennett3095]

Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the TASM movies, but I think the first one is pretty good, and I'm really happy we got to see him in NWH

[@jellymatsuryuka6853]

I thought it was a reference

[@imbored3770]

And the fact that tobey's spider-man told him he was amazing too

[@biazacha]

May’s death actually was really close to what a serious concussion looks like, specially the moment she looks at her own hand, a classic sign of neuro injuries. You can feel she died from a brain injury rather than blood lost.

[@shadowrev2914]

Yeah, and the fact that she's so fucked up that she doesn't even know thay she's dying makes it that much more tragic.

[@rzuue]

Exactly! This is exactly what I thought. I learned years ago from a retired nurse that serious concussions don't necessarily cause immediate death but rather the person gets up again, talks, sometimes weird stuff and they seems some what like a mess and distraught and then they die. When I saw her behaving like that I was very, very sure she'd die, it just fit what I've learned 100%.

[@SUKADIK4]

Only the uneducated people think this movie is good when clearly it’s not if you were paying attention to it lmao🤣. Kevin Feige manipulated a lot of idiots to go see this garbage in theatre’s and robbed them taking their money lol. Glad I watched this a home for free🤣. This movie is a👎👎👎. Mess up number 1, Mess up number 1, it’s 100 percent fan service instead of a enjoyable movie which kills a lot of things. Mess up number 2, Only in Kevin Feige’s dumb little mind that Spider-Man can beat Dr.Strange in his own dimension when we all really know that dr.strange can easily hold Spider-Man in place and take the box from him without even trying. Mess up number 2, This movie is really all about Spider-Man getting into MIT which is definitely a dumb way building this movie around. Why didn’t he just go to another college? Not difficult to do lol. Mess up number 3, they focused way to much on the fan service side more than making an enjoyable movie. Mess up number 4, the pacing in this movie is atrocious. It drags on during multiple parts of the movie for way to long and the action in this movie was so bland. 🙄🤣

[@wildercerrate7295]

@@SUKADIK4 on number 2: it’s shown through a montage that they applied to many different schools numbnuts. None of them are gonna take them in because of the optics (People think he killed mysterio, colleges don’t want the headline ‘____ university enrolls a mad murderer!” To stain their name.

[@jacksongreen4107]

@@SUKADIK4 If you're just trying to get a rise out of people, okay, sure. If you're trying to honestly critique, maybe lose the emojis and don't insult anyone who saw it. Also, learn to count.

[@WesleyNiman]

I actually enjoyed the "I'm a bit of a scientist myself" line quite a bit. It was a small throw away line but it definitely made me chuckle.

[@rorisangpitswane3595]

The thing is, Marvel is known for having its “quirky one liners” lol so if you’re comfortable with other marvel movies that line was hilarious

[@acapitala4936]

Tbf, the actual line is a pretty normal line in of itself (I didn't even remember it in the movie even, so I definitely disagree if anyone says lines like that is an issue).

[@LostSoulSilver]

That's the hardest I laughed in the whole movie

[@sfmaub234]

totally agree, probably got as hyped when he said that as Andrew and Tobey appeared xD

[@WesleyNiman]

@@sfmaub234 I can't say I agree lol, but it was still cool

[@Josh-Parker_Battleedits]

The ending is perfect. Peter basically lost everyone in his life, everyone has forgotten about him and his aunt is dead. But his aunt didn't die for nothing. Peter truly becomes Spider-Man at the end of the movie independently!

[@somerandolad]

Now, let's hope the filmmakers will follow through with that decision.

[@FULANODETAL]

@@somerandolad yes please no more time stone heist

[@justsomeguywithoutprofile7684]

When spiderman wins... Peter parker loses. Spiderman in nutshell

[@Brandon_4272]

I think not acknowledging Uncle Ben was a genius idea imo bc Peters perspective in both Tony's and Aunt Mays deaths really shape him into the person he's finally become

[@justsomeguywithoutprofile7684]

@@Brandon_4272 its actully stupid Then why the hell peter even became spiderman at first place? Why did he start fighting crime then? Hope they explain in freshman year

[@jknetwork6211]

Andrew and Electro’s relationship was surprisingly sweet by the end.

[@joaovitor9673]

I love how Max praise Andrew's Peter for helping poor people and how Andrew remembers that Max was a sweet and kind guy before becoming Electro.

[@charlespuruncajas9663]

Yeah, Max deserved a better ending (since he was just the victim in TASM2 just to get killed like that?)

[@DAREDEVIL-MANWITHOUTFEAR]

@@charlespuruncajas9663 they just gloss over the fact Spider-Man intentionally kills him

[@Soybean13]

Goddamn eels!!

[@daredevil6145]

@@DAREDEVIL-MANWITHOUTFEAR lol

[@knightofwisdom8851]

I got the feeling that EVERYONE that is in this movie are ACTUALLY having fun. And that's a huge plus from me.

[@layonyatsu7203]

no cap, the movie literally satisfied me and getting me more excited on what to come next

[@Hello_Sidney153]

I loved how this movie surpassed almost everyone's expectations despite them being so high and how it further developed and brought closure to the spider-men we loved without just exploiting them for nostalgia's sake

[@dominict9325]

I had zero expectations for this movie despite being a lifelong spidey fan, so I was absolutely thrilled by what I was presented with.

[@tyrotech6916]

It gave me hope for marvel again and for the first time since one scene in homecoming like Holland spiderman

[@makotomachiyuki]

well Disney + Sony that's what you get And I love it I expect characther development and tobey and andrew as tom's mentor and fucking No way Home perfect that

[@JoeLoquacious]

@@dominict9325 OMG GUYS, I just found a SNEAK PEEK FOR SPIDER-MAN 4!!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6u1f3WhgJ6GmM0…

[@ms.bubs4fun506]

Yes, that's the key. They didn't exploit them! Tobey and Andrew actually served a purpose in the movie.

[@TAKE_BACK_BRITAIN]

Everyone before NWH: “lol Andrew is the worst Spider-Man” Everyone after NWH: “you’re amazing”

[@thepants1450]

It really shows how bad writing and producers will tank a promising performance. I honestly thought Garfield stole the show from Holland and Maguire. And I really disliked TAS films

[@mckayz33]

Zendaya : Andrew, You're Amazing.. Tom : Whoa whoa there!

[@ramblinman07]

I never had an issue with AG's Spider-Man. It was his Peter Parker I didn't like. And his movies. I don't blame him for the movies though.

[@Ironcabbit]

Yeah. AG’s Peter Parker seemed more like a skater boi than an awkward nerd to me.

[@sloganwade4994]

I never had an issue with his performance, my issue with that series was bad writing.

[@Kamezdud]

Another thing I really liked about the scene where Tobey stops Tom from killing the goblin was Tobey finally had a chance to save Norman, which in his trilogy seemed like something that really haunted him and clearly affected his friendship with Harry. It was dope seeing both of the past Spider-Men have a form of redemption in this movie -really sold their apparences for me.

[@chinwenduizenwata6763]

This was also cool and fitting because Tobey's Spiderman is often seen as the strongest in the movies

[@djrocksgaming6255]

@@chinwenduizenwata6763 Tom's Spider-Man has better feats, though. Regardless, they were all equalized for this movie like they do for spider-verse crossovers in the comics.

[@chinwenduizenwata6763]

@@djrocksgaming6255 better feats like what? And I liked the Spiderverse movie but I don't know anything about the comics. Besides the movie giving Miles and his uncle a better relationship 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@djrocksgaming6255]

@@chinwenduizenwata6763 Him holding up and moving the bell tower (1000+ tons) and him and Goblin crashing through 10+ stories and making a huge crater at the bottom. Tom's Spider-Man also has a decent amount of feats scaling to MCU high-tiers by overpowering Cull Obsidian and staggering Thanos. Whenever different versions of Spider-Man get together, they're always made physical equals despite the differences in their feats. For example, 616 Peter has astronomically better feats (he can literally rip buildings in half just by lifting part of them) than PS4 Spider-Man (who canonically gets hurt by regular humans and can barely stop cars), but in Spider-Geddon they're treated as equals. They aren't going to have any one Spider-Man be physically superior to another in a movie. They will always equalize them.

[@chinwenduizenwata6763]

@@djrocksgaming6255 interesting. I heard in the comics he knocked out Firelord, and that's supposed to be impossible

[@itszaque5031]

In a lot of ways this feels like a beginning of Tom’s Spider-Man, the fact that we’re getting such a deep dive into his character is extremely satisfying

[@viccorum4640]

Tom hit the ground running with no origin story, and being adopted into mcu. This movie was an apology in a way and finally giving creedence to a great character.

[@ms.bubs4fun506]

@@viccorum4640 Apology for what? Everyone loved Homecoming and Far From Home.

[@acapitala4936]

@@viccorum4640 It's not an apology, it's ascendence and an ultimately amazing way of tackling an MCU Spidey's backstory. He feels like a HUGE deal now even with the existence of.... well everything in the MCU universe.

[@a78yashsunilparab40]

@@ms.bubs4fun506 I liked Homecoming, but far from home fell a bit flat to me for Peter's character. Mysterio was great, though.

[@SUKADIK4]

Only the uneducated people thought this movie was good when clearly it was not if you were paying attention to it lmao🤣. Kevin Feige manipulated a lot of idiots to go see this garbage in theatre’s and robbed them taking their money lol. Glad I watched this a home for free🤣. This movie is a👎👎👎. Mess up number 1, Mess up number 1, it’s 100 percent fan service instead of a enjoyable movie which kills a lot of things. Mess up number 2, Only in Kevin Feige’s dumb little mind that Spider-Man can beat Dr.Strange in his own dimension when we all really know that dr.strange can easily hold Spider-Man in place and take the box from him without even trying. Mess up number 2, This movie is really all about Spider-Man getting into MIT which is definitely a dumb way building this movie around. Why didn’t he just go to another college? Not difficult to do lol. Mess up number 3, they focused way to much on the fan service side more than making an enjoyable movie. Mess up number 4, the pacing in this movie is atrocious. It drags on during multiple parts of the movie for way to long and the action in this movie was so bland. 🙄🤣

[@emma_nutella58]

This movie did a lot for Peter’s characters even giving Andrew’s Peter closure by saving MJ, also that ending was bittersweet, this movie was amazing and did a great job showing who Peter Parker is

[@JoeLoquacious]

OMG GUYS, I just found a SNEAK PEEK FOR SPIDER-MAN 4!!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6u1f3WhgJ6GmM0…

[@SUKADIK4]

Only the uneducated people thought this movie was good when clearly it was not if you were paying attention to it lmao🤣. Kevin Feige manipulated a lot of idiots to go see this garbage in theatre’s and robbed them taking their money lol. Glad I watched this a home for free🤣. This movie is a👎👎👎. Mess up number 1, Mess up number 1, it’s 100 percent fan service instead of a enjoyable movie which kills a lot of things. Mess up number 2, Only in Kevin Feige’s dumb little mind that Spider-Man can beat Dr.Strange in his own dimension when we all really know that dr.strange can easily hold Spider-Man in place and take the box from him without even trying. Mess up number 2, This movie is really all about Spider-Man getting into MIT which is definitely a dumb way building this movie around. Why didn’t he just go to another college? Not difficult to do lol. Mess up number 3, they focused way to much on the fan service side more than making an enjoyable movie. Mess up number 4, the pacing in this movie is atrocious. It drags on during multiple parts of the movie for way to long and the action in this movie was so bland. 🙄🤣

[@blikker8]

@@SUKADIK4 You are living in sin. Believe in God and His son and repent of this opinion.

[@MrTidx90]

Somebody in my theater started cutting onions during that sence🥲

[@SUKADIK4]

@@blikker8 COPY AND PASTING THESE FACTS ABOUT THIS MOVIE OVER AND OVER, GETS UNDER THE SPIDER-MAN TROLL LOVERS SKIN CAUSE THEY KNOW THEY GET BUTT HURT TOO EASILY LMAO. SUCK IT UP SNOWFLAKES, HERE IT IS😘😘😘😘😘😘🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Only the uneducated people thought this movie was good when clearly it was not if you were paying attention to it lmao🤣. Kevin Feige manipulated a lot of idiots to go see this garbage in theatre’s and robbed them taking their money lol. Glad I watched this a home for free🤣. This movie is a👎👎👎. Mess up number 1, it’s 100 percent fan service instead of a enjoyable movie which kills a lot of things. Mess up number 2, they made Dr. strange look stupid when clearly he is smarter than Spider-Man and can take that box away from him like it’s nothing. Only in Kevin Feige’s dumb little mind that Spider-Man can beat Dr.Strange in his own meer dimension🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Mess up number 4,This movie is really all about Spider-Man getting into MIT which is definitely a dumb way building this movie around. Why didn’t he just go to another college? Not difficult to do lol. Mess up number 5, the pacing in this movie is atrocious. It drags on during multiple parts for way to long and the action in this movie was so bland.mess up number 6, what was the point of curing the villains, only just to send them back to their time line and die? It just doesn’t make any since.

[@G00dK4t]

SPOILERRRRRS!!!! Andrew Garfield: you okay? Zendaya: yeah... *Andrew stares with tears in his eyes* Zendaya: are YOU okay? Andrew Garfield: Yeah... I almost cried, swear to god, and thinking back to it the other way, I actually did. The feels...

[@VidWatcher01]

Everyone at the theater I was at was cheering wildly and/or crying at that part

[@renno2679]

Were they dating at some point?

[@rebekahsegun8319]

@@renno2679 No. He was crying because saving MJ reminded him of when he failed to save Gwen. So by saving MJ, he was kind of making up for his inability to save his own girlfriend.

[@lejohn_e64]

I think he also mentions how he had thought of every way possible to prevent that from happening again. You can even see how he propulses himself and not try to sling a web to catch mj

[@theshadowdirector]

I think their depiction of Peter in this trilogy was deliberately set-up as a representation of childhood and school life. Peter has a lot of safety nets, resources and support. The adventures themselves are far more light and fun than most of the MCU. Now, all those things are gone, Peter has 'left home', no family around, his friends have moved away and he now has to get by entirely on his own. Even if it wasn't entirely truw, I think a lot of us look back on our school years as being far more, fun, carefree and comfortable compared with what follows.

[@billhoult3262]

I fully agree with this, and want to add that I'm pretty sure that marvels plan for spiderman is two trilogies, this first one where he is a carefree kid, and a second, more 'classic spidey' trilogy of a young adult alone in the world with no money and no friends trying to survive and save lives at the same time. Hopefully it's more grounded and Manhattan based, with some team ups with human characters like daredevil and Kate Bishop

[@krisskrosssss]

brilliant take. Absolutely agree.

[@december1to31]

This trilogy was about Peter growing up and maturing.

[@JoeLoquacious]

@@billhoult3262 OMG GUYS, I just found a SNEAK PEEK FOR SPIDER-MAN 4!!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6u1f3WhgJ6GmM0…

[@diannajennings266]

@@billhoult3262 actually it's 9.......

[@thechineserussian]

The simple visuals of Happy seeing Peter in the rubble of the house and it slowly dawning on him that May died was brilliant. no dialogue, just expression. That made the scene hit way harder than happy going "Peter what happened, oh no, no don't tell me, may? Is she alright?"

[@moldyzucchinis3251]

Been thinking the same thing. That shot of Happy is living in my head rent free.

[@SUKADIK4]

Only the uneducated people thought this movie was good when clearly it was not if you were paying attention to it lmao🤣. Kevin Feige manipulated a lot of idiots to go see this garbage in theatre’s and robbed them taking their money lol. Glad I watched this a home for free🤣. This movie is a👎👎👎. Mess up number 1, Mess up number 1, it’s 100 percent fan service instead of a enjoyable movie which kills a lot of things. Mess up number 2, Only in Kevin Feige’s dumb little mind that Spider-Man can beat Dr.Strange in his own dimension when we all really know that dr.strange can easily hold Spider-Man in place and take the box from him without even trying. Mess up number 2, This movie is really all about Spider-Man getting into MIT which is definitely a dumb way building this movie around. Why didn’t he just go to another college? Not difficult to do lol. Mess up number 3, they focused way to much on the fan service side more than making an enjoyable movie. Mess up number 4, the pacing in this movie is atrocious. It drags on during multiple parts of the movie for way to long and the action in this movie was so bland. 🙄🤣

[@indoril1207]

The fact that he went through the same thing with Tony when his parents died killed me. He wasn't even able to get to Peter to be there for him. :'(

[@ScrewedUpTX88]

And then the way it leads to him crying in the rain and the dialogue from Jameson made it emotional af

[@harrisonriggs8732]

One moment that I love that gets overshadowed a little bit is when Sandman shows up for the first time. A huge concern of mine going in is that Otto and Flint were not villains at the end of their movies. I didn't know why they were being shown as antagonists again. But I like that they make it crystal clear EXACTLY when Otto got taken out of his universe. Sandman's FIRST action is to back up Spider Man though! It's fantastic! He shows up, blocks the lightning bolt and is just like "Peter! What's going on?" It's only when he realizes that Tom isn't the Tobey Peter that he starts to distrust him. Dr Strange immediately locking him up doesn't help either.

[@aknemesis5078]

Well when you put it like that, I guess Flint's flip flopping doesn't make zero sense.

[@jasdanvm3845]

I had the same concerns.

[@ericreinholt8838]

Yeah Flint's deal kind of makes sense. He just wanted to go home, and got tired of the antics by the end

[@youngmelo1841]

"I don't trust you, I don't even know you."

[@jaredtgriffinatyahoo]

Which is why I was so mad that he and Tobey never got a meaningful moment together. You’d think all Tobey would have to do is talk to him and he’d change sides to join the good guys 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@joshheralal8758]

I really liked the compassion of the Spideys in NWH. True heroes cure ass.

[@andreivaldez2929]

Reminds me of Trigun in a good way: a hero who could easily have tried to kill his opponents but instead chooses to immobilize them and talk sense into them while they get beaten or almost killed since the bad guys don't hold back.

[@lucasrencker-usui430]

@@andreivaldez2929 that reminds me of Mob psycho 100 too

[@luchomscyfy]

@@lucasrencker-usui430 Oh yeah. The MC, of that anime, Mob, is so wholesome..... ....damn, I missed a character in this kind of movies who doesn't feel mean spirited or awful...

[@lagofala]

Totally agreed. The swing toward dark, brooding, morally grey anti heroes really lasted too long. I love it sometimes when we have pure good guys like Cap America and Spiderman.

[@joshheralal8758]

@Sonic Hedgehog Reference to a line in the movie.

[@Spaceprince72]

In regards to Aunt May and how she died. I once saw a woman get hit by a car. The car slammed on the brakes but she went almost completely under as it came to a halt. With an annoyed expression, she pulled herself out from under the front bumper dusted herself off, and took about 10 steps before collapsing to the ground. I've never forgotten this and attributed it to adrenaline spiking through her body and overriding any broken bones and internal hemorrhaging she might have sustained, for a few moments anyway.

[@jessicahogan7248]

Yeah I've heard of how shock can really, really hit you hard. She didn't even notice her injury and I'm pretty sure thats normal for shock victims. Either that or she knew how bad it was (which I doubt but whatever) and she *chose* to sacrifice her remaining time to ensure she led Peter to the right path rather than saying goodbye because it was the right thing to do. I liked the way they handled it anyway

[@TheJadedJames]

@@jessicahogan7248 I completely read that scene as May not realizing how hurt she was. She didn’t appear scared in any way, and basically trailed off into death thinking she was only a little banged up and that they were going to continue what they were doing

[@Spaceprince72]

@@TheJadedJames Me too.

[@speedy01247]

@@TheJadedJames which would be worse, believing you are gonna be fine or knowing you are dying?

[@TheJadedJames]

@@speedy01247 That is tough. If there was absolutely nothing you could do about it, at least dying as May did, you wouldn’t have to be afraid

[@marta6521]

andrew's peter was more compeling and funny here, than in his solo movies. that's kinda sad, but also shows that if given better story, he's a truly fanstasitc spider-man (amazing even)

[@Junebug89]

He really got done dirty by the writers (or the studio, whoever) in his "trilogy", huh?

[@JoeEnglandShow]

Norman's condition in the film makes sense to me as an endpoint. He was relatively stable at first, cooperating with the "Goblin", but after all the mayhem of the Raimi film he's grown fatigued. And now suddenly he's trapped in a foreign universe where everything he was fighting to preserve is simply gone. His company, his family, all his motives for his crimes no longer exist, leaving him only with a malevolent drive urging him towards aimless chaos. Not to mention, he's just come off the tail end of a rampage. He actually tried to kill Peter Parker, a young man he was fond of. He knows this has gone way, way too far. He's very much like Dr. Jekyll losing control of Hyde, panicking and turning against this illness that's metastasized inside his mind. And as the Goblin grows stronger Norman gets weaker, more remorseful, and more traumatized, especially when he realizes that his whole life is basically non-existent. What is there for Norman Osborn in this world? Nothing. He's totally alone, almost literally a dead man walking. He's reduced to this helpless, homeless victim, desperate for help, all his battles lost. But the Goblin just wants to have fun.

[@layonyatsu7203]

well said my g

[@KingKhanate1997]

I would also add that Norman and the Goblin sort of coexisted in the Raimi universe, like they were both focused on taking back what’s “theirs.” Now that those objects of vengeance are taken from them, the two are more at odds. Like you said, the Goblin sees a new universe filled with new ways to torment and destroy at his leisure with little if any real consequences to him or Oscorp, considering it doesn’t even exist in the MCU. Norman doesn’t have his excuses to let the Goblin run rampant anymore, and is justifiably scared. He just wants to go home.

[@TheMightyBubbs]

Andrew Garfield really turned in a great performance. He had laugh out loud, AND sniffle moments. I loved him as Spidey in his films, even if they were kind of sub-par movies. You can just tell that he has a real love for the character.

[@jessicahogan7248]

I think I liked Andrew in this more than his own movies. I rewatched TASM last night and he was a little too talkative. After a while it just got annoying. I still like that he's quirky and expressive but a touch less sarcasm maybe (I can't explain it - he was just a bit softer, more vulnerable?) really worked for me.

[@mplmatt]

@@jessicahogan7248 my mans finally got some good writing, he’s a great actor and does both peter parker and spider-man well but the sony movies really flopped that version of peter

[@diersteinjulien6773]

I'll be honest, to me this is as much a conclusion to Andrew's trilogy as it is Holland's.

[@tabkg5802]

TASM 1 is second best SM movie

[@JoeLoquacious]

@@mplmatt OMG GUYS, I just found a SNEAK PEEK FOR SPIDER-MAN 4!!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6u1f3WhgJ6GmM0…

[@Equint77]

This was a love letter to 20 years of spiderman movies and was handled extremely well. It was fan service done properly and never once did it feel cluttered considering the cast size. Everyone got their time to shine which couldnt have been easy.

[@sushigimme]

Meanwhile at Racoon City, the Resident Evil reboot is a perfect example of fan service done like dogshit.

[@ERGSEG]

Completely agree. I was expecting there to be a bit of clutter but they handled this film so well.

[@JoeLoquacious]

@@sushigimme OMG GUYS, I just found a SNEAK PEEK FOR SPIDER-MAN 4!!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6u1f3WhgJ6GmM0…

[@uspresdientcentral]

@@JoeLoquacious I just found a sneak peek to yo mama.

[@FloRiva2]

The chemistry between Tobey, Andrew, and Tom was such a beautiful thing to watch, I nearly teared up. And I really think Dafoe should at the very least nominated for an Oscar for his role, he absolutely killed it in this film. I think that No Way Home ranks up there with Spider-Man 2 in terms of the best Spider-Man film.

[@JoeLoquacious]

OMG GUYS, I just found a SNEAK PEEK FOR SPIDER-MAN 4!!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6u1f3WhgJ6GmM0…

[@namehereandthere]

Keep dreaming!

[@Psychoma99]

I actually agree

[@honestgeese]

spider verse tho

[@myweirdsecondchannelwithap9070]

@@honestgeese spiderverse was good but no where as good as the reviews said it was

[@Zeroknight34]

The scene where Peter is making his own suit is perfect it shows he is no longer relying on someone to help him. He is finally becoming independent, all of his past suits where built with Stark Tech showing how he relied on Tony to help him. In Homecoming he even said he wanted to be like Tony but now he finally become his own hero.

[@djmattes7358]

That makes me what to cry.

[@thehobbyist7275]

Until NWH, I had those same complaints about Tom's Spider-Man. He's too reliant on other people, he lacks the sense of responsibility the other Spider-Man interpretations had, but I'm so glad to say that Tom's Spider-Man now feels like my own vision of Spider-Man. He's more like the rest of us, he's independent, but more importantly, he fights to overcome his own doubts and consequences

[@djmattes7358]

@@thehobbyist7275 The instant he just let Tony Stark give him all his abilities himself was annoying. I'm glad that I don't have to act like Spider-Man anymore. Even though Superman is hated by most people, he is better in my opinion. :)

[@wayneshobbygallery]

Yeah, MCU Spidey's arc in the Home Trilogy has finally come full circle. I think the other reason he decided to ditch Stark Tech is due to the Mysterio controversy, which caused Stark Industries to be pulled into this mess because of Spider-Man. He did so as a way of protecting the company & not put them into any Spidey-related trouble, so he cut ties with them as well as the other MCU organizations.

[@djmattes7358]

@@wayneshobbygallery I see. Hopefully, the next Spider-Man movies will deal more with the heart of Spiderman like the first four movies. :)

[@Thedoctorr5]

First responder here, I actually thought Aunt May's death was refreshingly realistic for a head injury in a movie. In real life you totally can stand up and talk for minutes, hours or even days before the unseen swelling in your head knocks you off.

[@thepants1450]

And the shock and adrenaline will make you think you're okay despite injury. I agree

[@luisjesus8668]

Dafoe is amazing in this, Norman just laughing while Peter pounds him trying to buy May some time to run is just *chef's kiss*

[@god-vp1ng]

norman laughing while what now?

[@PresidentialRobloxCrew]

Pause ⏸

[@dsdy1205]

@@god-vp1ng 💀

[@thepants1450]

@@god-vp1ng lmao

[@dumonga9594]

Ayo??

[@kyle013100]

I think my favorite moment in the movie was watching Tom's spiderman just start WHALING on Goblin, it was nice to see him very angry for once. You could feel his emotions and willingness to kill then have Tobey jump in last moment before Tom killed Goblin was just great. I loved it.

[@reco7234]

i like how this whole Home trilogy was actually this universe's origin story for THE Spider Man, it is only now that he'll be able to decide his own story and not trying to follow someone else's steps

[@shn7085]

One of the Hardest hitting moments in this movie was when Happy asked Peter how he knew May at her grave. You kind of expect Happy to say something insensitive, but the conversation continues, and its emotional.

[@davisginn1298]

I really loved that about the movie as a whole. There were plenty of conversations that just felt like that, real conversations. Simple thing to say, but beautiful to see in execution.

[@wesstewart2677]

Yeah I thought it was about to be undercut with a joke. But they just played the scene out.

[@sloganwade4994]

Happy always knows the right words to say when it counts. His superpower is empathy.

[@JoeLoquacious]

@@davisginn1298 OMG GUYS, I just found a SNEAK PEEK FOR SPIDER-MAN 4!!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6u1f3WhgJ6GmM0…

[@dancedagondance861]

YES. With the way Happy slid up beside Peter and Peter awkwardly looked up at him, I was afraid there was gonna be a moment of comedic relief. Then Happy asks, "How did you know her?" and we're met with the first real consequences of Peter's decision, and it hits like a truck.

[@Qwazin]

For some reason I get the vibe that Andrew Garfield and Jon Watts got along really well together. There's a lot of quirks to his performance that feel improvised, like when he tries to talk with his mask in his mouth and then spits it out, or when they're in the lab and he spins around and walks off and wiggles his fingers in front of the camera, and I love that Watts saw what he was doing and just decided to keep all of it.

[@daniyal_hazim]

It's great to see Andrew shine in NWH 🙂

[@marxist-leninist-protagonist]

There's a moment after Andrew says "it's no big deal" where he awkwardly moves of out of the frame, suddenly changing directions. Then he appears in the background and bumps into Tobey LMAO Andrew's mannerisms are so fucking funny

[@binaldoshi495]

Omg yes. Finally I find a comment like this. Even his little shake of the head when Tobey catches him watching Tom and Zendaya, and asks if he has someone. Or the cadence of his speech when they mess up fighting together the first time - "What...the hell...is going on...out there? I kept telling Peter two, Peter two.." It's these little things that I keep thinking about...

[@olgaivanova12]

Yeahhhhhh felt that too here! I guess now he has a great name in Hollywood so they have to be respectful to him and his vision of the character (as they were not in past). Maybe it will even lead to third movie for him and spidy-Gwen or appearance in new Jared Leto movie 🤔

[@garrettk7166]

Huh, I never noticed the finger wiggling in the lab scene in both the times I watched the movie in IMAX. Interesting. I'm looking forward to watching it at home to see these fun things!

[@Aleckai]

You mentioned the sewing of his own suit. That moment also spoke volumes since he finally had that moment where he realized, through pain and loss, that with great power comes great responsibility. Essentially moving from his inherited suit arsenal, which were tech-heavy and almost served as a crutch, to a suit that was stripped down, and just represented him. Just Peter. Loved it.

[@user-is7xs1mr9y]

It reminded me of Tony having his chest thingy (forgot the name) removed at the end of Iron Man 3. I loved seeing the sewing machine in his room, as I love sewing clothes for myself.

[@Aleckai]

@@user-is7xs1mr9y 100%!

[@devinjabairemoss]

@@user-is7xs1mr9yArc reactor

[@ShepardOfficial]

I love how it's almost like Andrew actually jumped through a portal into a universe where his iteration is appreciated and loved

[@Slame333]

The entire time in the movie I was thinking to myself “what am I even watching? How is this a thing that actually exists now?” And I say this in the best way possible. The fact that Marvel was actually able to pull this off in this amazing of a manner (pun intended) is wild.

[@kadiereed9615]

I turned to my friend next to me and just said “this is real, we’re really watching this” at least two dozen time

[@cthulhutentacles4994]

Well, this was mostly thanks to Sony, they’re the ones that approved the script

[@j2174]

"The fact that Marvel was actually able to pull this off in this amazing of a manner (pun intended) is wild." - Why? What was so complex or difficult about "pulling this off"? Things were kept pretty simple.

[@evan6338]

@@j2174 you mean the movie that simultaneously provides an epilogue/ending to two previous franchises, includes several other major MCU characters without overshadowing the title hero, and gives the MCU Spider-Man the humble origins the fans have known and loved about him from the comics? It's wild to me that anyone can say it's not an ambitious movie in its scope. It was executed more simply than any of the rampant fan speculators online would have liked, but that's probably for the best.

[@vanblitz7009]

Your comment also makes sense for Endgame too. Its been 2 years since Endgame but I still can’t believe they managed to pull that off. Marvel truly listens to their fans.

[@recesebaby2153]

There's only one thing needed to be said about this movie: It was everything, everyone hoped for

[@tuures.5167]

I think it bears mentioning that it was everything everyone hoped for _without feeling all fan-servicey and pandering_ Sure, Doc Ock and Norman rehashing their famous one liners might have felt a bit cringey, but otherwise I think it was overall a really solid movie.

[@dog8438]

@@tuures.5167 I thought the movie would be just fan service and although it had it, it also had a great story underneath that. Both of those combined made a pretty solid watch

[@austinhernandez2716]

I just wish there was more fighting at the end.

[@legendry]

This movie was a dream come true for me. The level of nostalgia that it possesses is just mind boggling and emotional as hell. I still really cannot comprehend as to how I felt(and feeling right now) when I saw the return of my childhood heroes. This movie was a once in a lifetime experience, I think.

[@namehereandthere]

You’re an easy mark.

[@shadowspector3611]

This instantly became my favorite movie of all time and it had nothing to do with Toby and Andrew coming back. The fact that Peter actually cared about the villains as if they were actually people (unlike a majority of other shows and movies I’ve watched) is such a great thing to finally see. The responsibility of saving others applies to villains as well as civilians. Tom Holland’s Spider-Man is the definition of what a hero should be.

[@cecilou7383]

So beautifully said! Was waiting for such a lovely comment!

[@icedcapplord710]

Spider-Man Homecoming to No Way Home was literally the Spider-Man origin story for the MCU Marvel straight up pulled a Smallville. It's actually great they paid off a lot of elements of the MCU's take on the character that initially drew criticism. Now he's in his prime and they've firmly planted him in his corner of the MCU to set up a proper supporting circle of characters. It was an excellent cap to this trilogy.

[@justsomeguywithoutprofile7684]

But ffh and homecoming werent a good orgin story movie imo

[@bikramarora1819]

Now that people know the ending to this trilogy, I hope people can go back and give Homecoming and FFH a fair shot. Are they flawed movies? Obviously. Pretty much all MCU movies are. But the emotional weight of NWH wouldn’t have been nearly as meaningful had those movies not served their purpose. God I hope we get another Holland trilogy so people can appreciate his movies IN THE MOMENT instead of having to retrospectively giving him his props.

[@icedcapplord710]

@@justsomeguywithoutprofile7684 they weren't origin movies. They were movies that contributed to his origin This Spider-Man clearly doesn't have a traditional origin story in that it doesn't just end at Uncle Ben getting shot. Homecoming, Far From Home and No Way Home together, ARE the origin story. It's the story of a Peter Parker with aspirations of being something more than a street level hero, learned the consequences of those aspirations and being irresponsible, and how much he has to sacrifice on the path to maturing both as a hero and as a teenager going into adulthood

[@justsomeguywithoutprofile7684]

@@bikramarora1819 homecoming and ffh were ok movies But a good spiderman movie?nah Im glad nwh fixed all of that for now

[@justsomeguywithoutprofile7684]

@@icedcapplord710 well its your opnion but i think the movies didnt feel like spiderman movies

[@samcarroll6210]

I understand that Raimi's cinematography will always be the best, but this was the first MCU Spider Man film where I thought the camerawork was really good. It's so much more stylish and creative than the other two films, and the last web swinging scene honestly felt like Spider Man.

[@beinerthchitivamachado9892]

While I enjoyed the last web swinging scene, I thought the camerawork on that scene was pretty bad. Andrew still has the best web swinging scenes all of the three Spiderman.

[@Jabberwacky]

Honestly i hated the last swing scene camerawork. it was so shaky and bad that it was ruining my experience. it was kinda frustrating cause the choreography was rlly gud

[@beinerthchitivamachado9892]

@@Jabberwacky Yeah, I feel the same way. Maybe it's cuz they didn't wanna show the suit too much? IDK...

[@mistersailor5458]

I loved how Watts used Dolby Zoom for scenes which use Spidey sense

[@Eduardo-ue6tm]

honestly to me, no drama scene in any of the other spider man movies tops the scene where Tom's in the rain after May died and he's just there, listening to JJJ talking how much Spider Man only screws with everyone and everything that he is around

[@gezz5904]

I think May’s death scene was absolutely perfect. The fact that she didn’t know she was going to die creates that perfect tension- AND it’s SO much more painful thinking she’s going to be okay, even as she loses the life in her eyes

[@dancedagondance861]

One of my favorite parts about the movie is how it has made me appreciate Peter's development as a leader. In every movie so far, including even Civil War, his capacity to make strategies and conduct a team efficiently has had little moments to shine, but in the final battle, he really stepped up and became the leader of a team of Spider-Men in spite of his relative inexperience.

[@krombop7731]

I may be alone in this, but I always thought that Norman’s final line of “Peter, don’t tell Harry” was his true self coming back out from behind the veil of his goblin half, and he was a corrupted mind being controlled, cuz while yeah he wasn’t a GOOD guy before, other than him being a shit dad there’s no real reason to think he’s actually this evil murdering psycho

[@diccchocolate416]

Yeah, the goblin doesn't give a shit about Harry

[@ClintYeastwood420]

I think that it’s even possible to excuse the Norman side being entirely nice in NWH as Norman realizing realizing how much he was used by the goblin and how much the things the goblin manipulated him with (Harry’s relationship, his job, power, etc) were things that he either had the power to fix correctly or never really should have given the power they had. He’s become completely split into the wholly evil and destructive goblin and the weaker, repentant Norman

[@shonenbois]

Even without the other Spidermen being in this Movie it was still a Great Movie as Peter went through such an emotional Journey in the film. Tom Holland just did such a great Job

[@enzonline8896]

i see what you did there, keep it up champ we need more people like you !

[@orgaicnutproductions]

🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢

[@MartyKay]

Yeah, it's a real shame they didn't included them even tho everyone was hoping they would be here. Anyway, more space for Tom and his character grow ❤💙

[@michaeljaf5734]

The movie been out 4 days now everyone knows they’re in it 😭

[@RamManalo]

Meh. Not so sure about that.

[@LonkinPork]

5:50 ok, the "I'm something of a scientist myself" was definitely a groan-inducing decision on the writers' part, but I just cannot fault it because Dafoe delivers it with so much shit-eating self-awareness. He sells it so perfectly in a way that both fits the scene and winks at the audience and it's one of the best line reads in the movie (not quite as good as Garfield's exasperated "Peter Three!" of course)

[@jordanperry7954]

I think Norman was kept fairly true to the character he was in the OG spidey. I believe you see Normans “split personality” if you will, more cut and concise because Norman is so confused and lost he’s now in a complete different universe, so he’s not his usual cocky, rude, condescending Norman like he usually is. I think he was depicted nicely.

[@GenerationWest]

First off, movie was great, a great ending to his trilogy, and compliments each prior film, even the films that aren't his. Secondly, I get your take on Norman, but I always saw that the Goblin side has effected him so badly, he's becomes submissive, while Goblin is the dominant personality. Norman wasn't a great person, but in way, the Goblin side toned him down, because the negatives went somewhere else.

[@kaissersreich]

Wait there won't be a spiderman 4?

[@TheDarkGBJ]

Wrong. Just like Doc Ock "hearing the tentacles" these are just manifestations of a part of these characters psyches. It's still them doing what they WANT to do. It's just their way of coping with their evil. That's why it was dumb how Holland "fixed" Doc Ock. He wasn't evil because the chip on his neck broke although that played a factor. He was evil because of his guilt and shame for the death of his wife and failure of his project as well as his ego.

[@FlackNCoke]

I always took the fact that Harry didn't go full crazy in Spider-Man 3 to be evidence that it was Norman being the person he was before the goblin formula that at least partially influenced him becoming an irredeemable force of evil. The mirror scene from that first movie even has the Goblin essentially saying "I'm doing what you've always wanted to do but never could have"; the Goblin is Norman's Id fully unleashed.

[@TheDarkGBJ]

@Devin King I think you have a misunderstanding of the characters. In the scene prior to the failed experiment, when he is talking to Peter, through the dialogue you can hear instances of where Octavius was a prideful man. This doesn't make him not normal. We're all capable of doing evil things if we're pushed far enough. That's what makes heroes, heroes. They rise above their circumstances and still choose to be great.

[@TheDarkGBJ]

@@FlackNCoke Exactly! Harry attacking Peter after he took the formula was something he always wanted to do after the death his father. The formula didn't make him do it. Just like Peters powers doesn't make him good. His values recieved from his gaurdians do

[@SolracNexus]

"Struggling to have everything you want while the world tries to make you choose" This sums up peter's moral dilemma and his eventual resolve to become the spider-man we all know and love

[@jakubrejak1114]

Mostly. But overall, this can be applied to any hero. Especially tragic ones like Wanda, Stephen and Thor.

[@bikramarora1819]

Goblin was spitting bars all movie long

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

@SolracNexus, how do you relate to Peter through his moral dilemma and resolve

[@chasey4069]

“Strong to have it all, too weak to take it”

[@They_are_Arthur]

The final swing in this movie was absolutely godly. Loved the viscerally fast movement and how he dove straight towards the audience, smash cutting to the credits. Maybe it's not the same level as the majesty of Raimi's Spider-Man swinging, but I honestly think it's the perfect final swing to punctuate every Spider-Man movie.

[@glyle2504]

If there was ever a movie that you *NEEDED* to see in theatres, this is it. It’s the best Spider-Man movie hands down. They gave the villains shine and fixed certain ones, they gave the new Spider-Men moments, but it was still *VERY MUCH* about him. The balance between all these heroes and villains is something that I was *EXTREMELY* skeptical about-and yet they made it fit seamlessly. This might just be my favorite movie ever.

[@soulknight5330]

I think it's right next to Spider-verse, it's gonna be hard to top taht one

[@sfmaub234]

This movies is AT LEAST top 3 for me, it's epic!!!

[@DoctorJammer]

I see why young people think this is best Spiderman but Raimi's 1 and 2 are better films. More complex characters, great shots, body horror, etc. There is a reason why they had to take Raimi's villains and put them into MCU haha

[@omen4304]

@@sfmaub234 Yh defo for sure

[@user-lh3ic7ym8h]

@@DoctorJammer Why does body horror have to be a requirement for a better film?

[@conradpark]

i absolutely adore how the problem could’ve been solved at any moment by pressing the box, but they make it so that peter makes it his responsibility, with the advice from may which makes her death more impactful. it fits so well with who spider-man is and the clash of the villains wanting to go home and peter wanting to fix them works really well

[@layonyatsu7203]

the fact that peter prefer to find solutions to cure these villains that is literally from another dimension that he can just avoid one button push away, especially he has been told multiple times it's literally these villains fate to die and it's also not worth the hassle, but still tried to anyways, is literally something very spiderman, and I love it also not to mention there is someone who he love and care so much that would motivate him ofcourse, and when i seen it's aunt may who deliver the line and motivates peter, gives me more joy, because it feels like it gives more diversity among other live action spiderman. Some people I seen was pretty dissapointed that it's not uncle Ben who deliver it, but I think they forgot that even in the comics, every spiderman is special on their own storyline.

[@IcyDiamond]

This will 100% go down as one of the best MCU movies ever made, up there with Endgame and Infinity War

[@flmkrp2486]

definitely Endgame and No way home are the two most emotional mcu movies bittersweet endings are the best endings

[@aradhyamishra5590]

It’s even better than endgame for me which was filled with steve rogers, tony, thor and some characters I don’t give much of a shit about, but this, this was once in a lifetime kind of thing for me which I couldn’t even fathom before this.

[@Brandon_4272]

@@flmkrp2486 absolutely agree!! I never thought an MCU spider man film would make me cry and scream!

[@acetofresh1]

Winter Soldier is significantly a better film than Endgame and Infinity War and so was Thor Ragnarok.

[@Alex_Penjamin]

For real! I think it’s in my top five now (Gotg, IW, IM1, Winter Soldier and NWH are my favorites)

[@averyring3409]

My only real gripe with this amazing movie is that they managed to figure out how to cure these guys in about 5 minutes, by themselves. It felt a little like an afterthought to me

[@Ironcabbit]

I left unconvinced that the cure would stick for some of them. For Doc Ock, Flint and Electro, yes. If Dr. Connors isn’t restrained, he’ll probably just make more lizard serum and dose himself up again. Norman - he’s another story. I doubt the cure serum does anything more than icing Goblin’s mania and maybe stopping Norman’s blackouts, because Norman and Goblin are one in the same. Perhaps his first goal when returning home is to figure out how to get back to the MCU - to continue trying to corrupt a Spider-man with no personal ties to him. Maybe it’s damaging Doc Ock’s chip to turn him evil again, en route to constructing his Sinister Six in the Raimi-verse. Or creating an Electro to cause a lot of damage just to play the hero by cleaning up - for a price, of course. Point is, Goblin isn’t really gone.

[@blu-]

At least in Toby's case, it felt to me like he never really got over Norman's death, so he was ready

[@ericreinholt8838]

I guess it was kind of a testament to the fact that Peter Parker is a genius, and so when you put three of them together...You also notice that when Tom made a serum for Goblin by himself it didn't work, but when he had the others help him it did.

[@evangelionaddict8212]

I mean they outright point out that they've done it before in their universes, or thought about it for years. They're just putting the pieces together, and all of them are geniuses.

[@Junebug89]

@@evangelionaddict8212 This is a great point, I would also say that technology on earth is just way more advanced in the MCU, partially thanks to Tony Stark and the wreckage from the invasion of New York.

[@koult45]

Aunt May's death is actually one of those things where movies have conditioned us so hard to expect the unrealistic that realism feels unnatural. For example, when Leon Trotsky was assassinated, he was impaled by an icepick in the back of his head. He then stood up, wrenched the ice pick out, and proceeded to interrogate the man who had swung it through his skull after his guards had finished beating them up. Then he collapsed and was rushed to the hospital and only died hours later. Humans are very resilient, much more so than is often depicted in movies with all the one-shot insta deaths and things like that, which are usually there for proper pacing and dramatic tension rather than authenticity. But I feel like the Aunt May scene worked from both perspectives.

[@indranilsarkar1951]

Not every movie has to have a convoluted forced deep story arc, once in a while comes a movie like NWH to remind everyone that movies, especially based on campy heroes like Spiderman are about making the viewer feel good and happy when they watch it. We needed this, especially during the pandemic. It was a movie made for the fans and was perfect.

[@Anthony-dy2cv]

The entire home trilogy was this Peter's origin. Now, we are ready to witness the classic Spider-Man stories we all know and love.

[@thehopefuljudge8671]

The final scene with Spider-Man swinging in his home made outfit was easily the best ending scene in all the MCU

[@chcknpie04]

Hands-down my favorite moments of the movie it was where Holland and Garfield reacted to Maguires ability to just produce web

[@lucaskennington9101]

It would be interesting to see Kingpin, whose main strategy is threatening his enemies' loved ones, fight this Spider-Man, who has nobody in his life.

[@sweett3253]

I kind of gatheted that Peter was probably going to restore his relationships, and if they plan on using him more I wouldnt be surprised if he developed new ones

[@jessicahogan7248]

@@sweett3253 He'll probably wait until they're safely into or out of college so he can't screw with their lives accidentally any more. Zendaya talking to Ned about MIT at the end and Peter seeing her band-aid stopped him from telling him everything. I think he still wants to be with her but just not right now. Or maybe thats just me projecting because I like the Tom-Zendaya version of Peter-MJ and would feel weird if he moved on lol

[@caitymccaity]

Spoilers for Hawkeye Now that Kingpin is canon as of the most recent episode, and that Hawkeye and NWH occur during roughly the same time, I can’t wait to see how they interact in further movies.

[@captainjakemerica4579]

I'm sure Holland will date MCU proper Mary Jane Watson or Gwen Stacey

[@xarmanhsh2981]

As someone who is living away from my country and i am all alone this ending is too real for me.

[@RastaGamesful]

I think No way home solved a lot of problems of 2 previous films. Giving Tom Holland's spider-man arc grown up a lot and give a really big consequences for him. Peter takes everything away and wants to start life with a clean face without old friends and family with Avengers. The last minutes of the film for me were the best in MCU. I hope there will be more such films like that, was very pleased.

[@UltraX34]

That's how good it is. It retroactively makes the first two MCU Spiderman movies better

[@bikramarora1819]

It also clarified one very important distinction that I’m glad people are coming to realize these days: don’t blame actors for shitty scripts. Holland and Garfield got a lot of praise for this movie, but I’m annoyed so much of it is built around “wow I didn’t know they were so good!”. Anyone that knows anything about Holland and Garfield knows they’re both incredible actors who are more than capable of being incredible Peter/Spideys, it’s just that some of their plot held them back. Garfield’s movies came out in an era where we were still blaming actors for shitty scripts, and Holland was acting his ass off in his movies but never got credit because he was of the iron boy jr criticisms. This movie made me want both Spider-Man 4s(Tobey and Tom) and want TASM 2. That’s the beauty of this movie. It didn’t just redeem entire characters, but also brought some justice to actors.

[@yaelthesnail]

More like, this was his arc all along.

[@justsomeguywithoutprofile7684]

Its kind of lame In nwh they basiclly did the orgin agian Wasnet uncle ben dead in mcu alredy? Anyway i hope in next movies they actually give us a hot red hair mj and harry osborn or even gwen

[@CityPlannerPlaysChair]

@@justsomeguywithoutprofile7684 the trilogy was his origin. I wish it did have more Ben though. I doubt we get another MJ. We could get another "Ms. Jones" with Firestar, but teaming him up with Matt, or Felicia, or Silvija makes way more sense. I'm also not sure we'll get the Osborn's, but a Hobgoblin arc; playing on people's expectations that it's Ned, would work really well.

[@TheDeathmail]

To me, Norman was always the way this movie portrayed him... it always felt like he was someone that actually did care. Sure, the Goblin took on his worst desires..... but everybody has some dark desires that they'd never do because of their moral code. Goblin was Norman Osborn without his moral code... And the 1st Spider-Man film LITERALLY stated that the serum caused aggression and stuff...

[@trevturp6891]

Green Goblin could have chose to get help in Spiderman 1, but he chose not to. Instead, he chose to be evil. So, this movie does contradict the way Green Goblin was portrayed in Spiderman 1.

[@smhtbh3908]

In case of May's death, I thought it was like a punctured lung, internal damage, that's why she had trouble breathing. She could talk for a bit and didn't notice much besides the gasps of air that she attributed to being tired of the fight. Also, the rush of adrenaline allowed her to walk for a bit and stand up, but the loss of blood and collapsed lungs quickly got to her. Also, that's why Peter didn't realize what was happening at first, but then felt her chest vibrations, or the flow of blood, and realized that her lungs were perforated

[@sierralvx]

I just think it's incredible that this film gave so much closure for the other movies as well. By knowing Tobey's is back with Mary Jane, and that Andrew's got to save Michelle Jones, and that Otto was healed of his technical manipulation is amazing! The fact that Jon Watts was able to conclude so many arcs in one is a sign to me of how great a director he is. I really enjoy having films with proper closure (I think everyone does) and this was more than I could've hoped for!

[@adoniscreed4031]

Gotta give props to whoever wrote the script for this as well... absolute ace job, this plot was the perfect blueprint to build such a well done movie upon

[@mantasr]

Also Otto has an Arc reactor now. So that's neat.

[@shelbyspeaks3287]

@@matt_finn1604 you must be a third wave movie director 😂

[@marcosaguilar8504]

@@matt_finn1604 well that’s obviously a wrong opinion 😂😂 nobody give this clown attention, he’s just trolling for the sake of trolling. Keep it moving.

[@JD-jz5gu]

@@matt_finn1604 😂😂😂

[@madtitan0825]

Honestly as a Spidey fan it’s so damn satisfying to have a pretty well received trilogy from start to finish

[@marxist-leninist-protagonist]

lmao yea fucking FINALLY a good streak of films

[@ScantaniouslyCombust]

The Aunt May scene was perfect because I didn't expect it to happen. Spider-man didn't expect it, and as the audience we didn't expect it.

[@slim..reaper]

The return of these legendary characters is what the Star Wars sequels could’ve been. But they botched that. We are lucky as Spider-Man fans that this turned out THIS GOOD

[@Verbose_Mode]

Aunt May's bit of getting back up and, well, _lasting_ so long is far, far from unheard of: adrenaline is a hellua drug. People that take lethal wounds sometimes are so hopped up on it that they literally don't notice they are dying and keep going until it's too late.

[@litcomicsproductions5359]

The MCU Spider-Man Trilogy wasn't a Spider-Man Trilogy, it was a Peter Parker evolving into Spider-Man Trilogy, a 3 movies long origin story, and now we get to see the real Spider-Man Trilogy in the MCU in the future. After No Way Home overral I don't like Homecoming and Far from Home more, but now seeing the full picture, I don't dislike them that much for ignoring some of the important essences of Spider-Man too, NWH made me learn to accept them and be excited for the bright future of Spider-Man in the MCU. Really great movie everybody should see it who likes Spider-Man. It's a milestone for Tom Holland's Spider-Man and also a turning point.

[@AGEE_95]

they weren't ignoring it, so much as they were taking a different route to it. it's a source-material purist thing. But if this film has taught everyone anything, it's that the things that happened in the first two films still led to this point in Spider-Man's story. Regardless of how some people may have felt about those first two movies, they're still important, for where the character ends up, in this film.

[@djkleb7645]

I'm gonna say this first Spider-Man No Way Home is good, very good, but remember that Sony and Marvel Studios almost break apart and at that specific time Marvel Studios redesign their whole Spider-Man, so this movie is more like "fixing" and changing the actual direction of the character, the past strategy of Marvel was to present us the Spider-Man from the 2 movies, but with the Fox agreement, they took a different route for the character. For everyone that liked Spider-Man No Way Home here is other info: •The movie we saw is the third version of the movie •The movie is censored, when Green Goblin kills Aunt May there is a scene where you can see clearly the Goblin's Glyder knifes stabbing Aunt May's stomach and a shot where the wholes are visible, but for some reason we got a scene that looks like a hit, when Tom's Spider-Man fight with Green Goblins there is a lot of blood in the fist and Goblin's face is in very bad form after those hits; also when Green Goblin stabbed Tobey's Spider-Man there are a very graphic shot to the stabbing place. •There are missing scenes for Mary Jane Watson and Peter's daughter welcoming him after returning to his universe. • There is information that Karen from Daredevil appears on the film too, but the scene got deleted because the character is going to appear at She-Hulk

[@AGEE_95]

@@djkleb7645 This has to be more than just an assumption. Unless there's the proof behind it, like a quote from an executive, or an article or something, there's no reason to believe that Marvel didn't have this plan from the jump, and just chose to start off the whole story differently. Sound more true to how Marvel does things. This just sounds like an attempt to undermine the legitimacy of all three of these movies, based on personal disagreement with the route they took.

[@atomicspid2129]

This movie was so damn good. Seeing Tobey and Andrew again and all 3 Spider-Men getting along was really great.

[@FerGalicia]

About Norman being the Goblin, I think it wasn't the serum that made him psycho, he already had mental issues but the serum unleashed it completely and gave him super strength and other enhanced skills, so curing him wouldn't be his mind only, but just removing the super powers and let him just crazy so he wouldn't harm anymore and perhaps get help.

[@davidm4566]

It may have been the precipitating factor. Even in the rat tests, only 1 went crazy.

[@Ironcabbit]

I think Dr. Connors is cured of his lizard affliction but needs to be locked up so he doesn’t just make more, Amazing Spider-man. Norman, however, still very much has Green Goblin inside of him. Norman’s mania may have been iced by the serum, but that just means the Goblin’s cooler and more calculating now.

[@wDoucheCanoe]

I don't believe the characterization was really changed at all with Norman/Green Goblin. In the scene at Happy's apartment when Peter senses something, Norman says something like, "you and your aunt fell for that 'woe is me act'". He was playing them almost the entire time Edit: Goblin mentions something about him getting them to trust him. Basically allowing him to attack at their most vulnerable time(i.e. killing Aunt May)

[@anzhonnycastillo1731]

I see, you're suggesting that most of the time it wasn't even really Osborn, but more so the Goblin giving a performance? That actually would make the entire thing make more sense. Thanks for pointing this out!

[@Slame333]

I agree. At the start when he was this mega sad simp (and when they took him in) I felt the same way captain mightnight felt. I thought they changed his character around, cus it didn’t feel like the Goblin I knew from the original. But then I was thinking to myself that there’s no way he was possibly like that now and that he was simply playing them the entire time. Once he revealed his true colors in Happy’s apartment I knew that was the case. It reminds me of the scene from the OG where he’s screaming and pretending to be a civilian stuck in the burning building to lure Spider-Man in. We’ve seen him act like this before.

[@joseluis5055]

@@anzhonnycastillo1731 I prefer the idea that Norman and Goblin were playing them as one

[@vaguevillainy]

He "fought" Green Goblin and broke the mask all alone in an alley, I don't think that was a performance because there was no one to see it. Idk, I think the movie really meant for Norman to be a good guy.

[@yoursonisold8743]

@@vaguevillainy Being lost in a different world without anything that Norman wanted (his company and son) is a pretty good reason to reject the Goblin. His goal to return home is actually at odds with the Goblin's lust for violence and power for once. That's why Norman rejected him. It's not that he is a nice person deep down, it's that his two personalities usually are on the same page, just one is more cowardly. Even at the end when he said "What have I done?" I think it's less about feeling guilty and more being shocked he destroyed the box that was his only way back home.

[@alfie4234]

No Way Home is everything I wanted it to be. It addressed all of the problems I had with the previous films, and makes a film that feels genuinely Spiderman, instead of MCU. I can’t wait to see what happens to Tom Holland’s Peter next!

[@AGEE_95]

It's a continuation of those films, not a fix-it situation. Those movies had to happen that way, regardless of any fans need to have them copy every other adaption before it. That's just some fans being purists, but that doesn't affect the importance of those first two films.

[@vannyddd]

@@AGEE_95 Peter in the comics is a kid who is always faced with too much responsibility. Peter in the MCU (prior to No Way Home) is a kid who’s constantly told that he isn’t responsible enough and, according to his words, he’s “sick of being treated like a kid all the time”. Seems like they completely fixed his character with this movie

[@AGEE_95]

@@vannyddd it’s not fixing just because they started his character a different way. He still ended up where he did, in a way that made sense narratively, considering where he started. He learns the importance of responsibility, either way. Only people who have problem with his characterization in the first two movies, are comic book purists. Doesn’t mean he was written the wrong way. And given that Marvel has been known to go off the course of the source material before, it shouldn’t be a surprise.

[@awakenow7147]

@@AGEE_95 We don't know for sure whether it was a "fix" or not. It literally could have been. Its difficult to say what goes on in the writer's room for these movies.

[@AGEE_95]

@@awakenow7147 It definitely could’ve been. I don’t think it was, but I’m not saying it’s impossible. Just that a lot of peoples’ reasoning for why it absolutely was, is based on their own bias opinions against the first two films. It could’ve been a fix, but even so, that doesn’t make where Peter’s character ended up, a stretch. It still all makes sense, narratively, from the first to last movie, even if there were some last minute changes. Those changes don’t negate what happened in the first two movies.

[@popscape8490]

Since they’re doubling down on the comic accuracy, it would be a cool idea if MJ showed up again with a new look. Freshly dyed dark red hair from the comics with some new found confidence from spending time at college could be nice for her character. The reason for her hair being dyed could be the spell beginning to fade out, she has subconscious thoughts of Peter and his bright RED spider man suit so she subconsciously goes for a spidey themed look - it could be a nice clue for the audience that she will remember him later in the trilogy

[@VincentStevenStudio]

Yeah that's something I've thought about too. Since MCU likes to keep developing their characters. She can eventually evolve into the comic accurate MJ. As she matures her dress style changes to something more stylish and feminine similar to how Zendaya dresses in real life. Maybe at some point she even adopts the name Mary Jane as a stage name or something. They've already given her the Watson.

[@popscape8490]

Yehhhh! I love the stage name idea. I think the home trilogy spent time building on her character in that she slowly opened up and by no way home had a lot of heart. I think keeping that ball rolling would be great for her, and even more heartbreaking for Peter as he has to watch MJ appear happier than ever.

[@Ozkabot]

The way they handled the home trilogy as something of an origin story for a more familiar version of Spider-Man was really smart. We get all of the "I wonder how Spider-Man would fit into the Avengers", "What would a Stark Spider-Man suit look like?" out the way right off the bat, instead of once again giving us a Maguire / Garfield esque Spider-Man. Now we've had those questions answered and seen that dynamic, we can go back to the friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man without those questions dominating the conversation around the character.

[@Cheesusful]

Especially now they've also basically dismantled the avengers so in a few years it'll be up to spidey to assemble the new avengers

[@brunobb1]

I actually really liked how they handled Norman this time around, I actually felt really bad for him.

[@widjiro]

villain have feelings now

[@carolinegeorge13]

I think the greatest thing about Norman in this movie was his ambiguity. I genuinely felt bad for him and I was happy to see him work with Peter but at the same time I was anxious and suspicious knowing that any moment the Goblin was going to fully come out and that he was most likely just playing Peter.

[@carolinegeorge13]

@@widjiro I mean, villains should have feelings, otherwise they're shallow characters and that doesn't make for good storytelling. Thanos is a great example, he thinks he's saving the universe and proves to really love his daughter, but that doesn't make him any less of a horrible being.

[@Angelofo]

I loved the ending, its bittersweet but It was needed since his character was too intertwined with the avengers and iron man especially.

[@johnhallman3611]

I've been calling him Iron Boy up until now.

[@pastorcodymitchell1456]

And now the avengers don’t even know about him

[@justsomeguywithoutprofile7684]

@@somerandolad o another stupid mcu fan boy Pepole didnt hate holland Hes good actor The problem were shitty mcu writing Espacilly in ffh With no good written story And cringe mj But its not hollands fault

[@sarinajackson9667]

@@justsomeguywithoutprofile7684 u need a hobby :/

[@justsomeguywithoutprofile7684]

@@sarinajackson9667 doing your mom is my hobby

[@mandarinduck]

I feel like this kind of changes how Spider-Man works though. Fundamentally, Spider-Man's motivation is a sense of obligation that stems from guilt. What Peter says in Civil War, "When you can do the things that I can, but you don’t, and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you," really exemplifies this. Uncle Ben died because Peter didn't stop the bad guy. That's why his stories are always so self-flagellating and positions the things he wants against doing the right thing. That's not necessarily par for the course for a superhero story, but it's practically a requirement for a Spider-Man story. Except this Peter never had an Uncle Ben moment until right now. Tom Holland's Spider-Man has always just been a hero apparently. May's death serves a completely different purpose for him than Uncle Ben. It's not punishment for his inaction, but rather a challenge to the actions he's already doing. This is the cost of being good, and this Peter's challenge is to still remain good, no matter the consequences. While it still feels very on brand for Spider-Man, it's definitely different.

[@eclipsical9850]

My guess is that Uncle Ben inspired him to be a hero and to use his powers for good but Aunt May is who teaches him the great responsibility lesson.

[@Junebug89]

It might be a change to the circumstances surrounding the line, but I am not convinced it changes the core of who Spider-Man is. As you say, it feels very on-brand, which I think goes to show that it *doesn't* change him.

[@acidpain6059]

One of my favorite moments is when Peters spider sense makes him dodge things even when his soul is literally detached from his body

[@ericreinholt8838]

Yeah I loved that. It's something I feel the MCU does really well overall in dealing with seemingly OP heroes and heroes that seem less powered, that they all have foils over each other.

[@beanl]

Tomei's acting when she's in shock is SO GOOD it really reminds all of us what kind of actress she is, without expecting her to die I knew that was coming because of her acting 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@tashaglam4824]

The last 30 minutes of this movie contained some of the greatest writing I have ever seen come from the MCU and it gives Spiderman fans from all iterations exactly what they wanted for Tom Holland's Spiderman: Real and devastating consequences for his own actions. He didn't have the Avengers or Tony Stark to come in to help save his ass. He lost everything he ever had, knew, and loved because he was so hell bent on trying to fix a problem that would've probably blown over if he had been more patient. He turned a small problem into and even bigger problem and in his chase to try and fix it all he was forced to go with the one option he never wanted. And even after everything is said and done, he couldn't bring himself to try and rectify it by starting over. He chose to keep going all alone. It was a bittersweet ending and I left the theater feeling melancholic. I would give this film a 10/10.

[@mechengr1731]

My biggest complaint was how Dr. Strange behaved out of character. Instead of talking through options with Peter about how to rectify his situation, he jumps straight to a dangerous spell. Then gets mad at Peter when he realizes Peter never bothered trying to appeal to the college.

[@user-is7xs1mr9y]

@@mechengr1731 Yeah, and he should have explained the small print beforehand.

[@Junebug89]

@@mechengr1731 Strange has always been a bit of a rulebreaker and risktaker. I mean he started off his time in the academy by stealing a bunch of shit and then trying to copy forbidden spells that Kaecilius had been using. Mordo literally abandons Kamar-Taj because of Strange's rulebreaking (well, and that of his predecessor).

[@chrismccarthy5275]

I am so glad you spent a few minutes on Garfield. He was badly managed by Sony as Spidey and deserves more credit for playing a delightful Parker/Spidey that is wildly under appreciated. Kudos to him for his earnestness and goofy physical comedy that made his Spidey stand out.

[@Gabreya]

+chris mccarthy Exactly. Also, when he expresses sadness and pain, it's impactful. I heard that there were people who were in tears when he started to cry after he saved MJ.

[@TeganCantEven]

No Way Home was close to perfect. I just hope MJ and Peter end up getting their happy ending when this story actually ends. The ending of NWH, while definitively Spider-Man, was brutally heartbreaking to me. I really want to see them end up together.

[@TeganCantEven]

@@Swagsoviet06 we love Ned. The movie did drop a few hints that he may become a villain though 😔😔

[@TeganCantEven]

@@Swagsoviet06 I love Ned too. If they went that route, I hope it ends in resolution and not Ned’s demise.

[@yasianproductiontales8640]

I see what you’re talking about with Defoe. And while I’m not saying that they didn’t have this in the 2002 movie, I’d say it was definitely more of a focus in NWH. Either that or they just expanded on that last moment between McGuire’s Spidey and Defoe whereas both versions of Osborn were working towards the same goal but just had different approaches. I’ll say that when I watched the movie, I did get that same vibe. The only reason I just felt bad for Norman was when Norman had that moment between him and his mask. But after that, I immediately thought “Nope. The Goblin is just playing Spider-Man. There’s no conflict. He’s just the Green Goblin”. But like Peter, I wanted it to be true that the innocent Norman was in there. Overall, I think NWH did the character justice and even made him scarier if you don’t mind me saying.

[@facuuu2809]

The scene where Peter fights against him in the penthouse and the Green Goblin throws him against the walls and laughs while being punched for me was pretty tetric ngl

[@sivad1025]

They portrayed the Goblin _perfectly._ But when I watched NWH twice last Thursday and watched the 2002 movie between showings, the change in Norman's character was really distracting. It's heavily implied that he resists the Goblin because he's a coward, not because he thinks the Goblin is wrong. By the end, he's asking the Goblin for guidance! That's very different than his portrayal in NWH

[@tmac731]

they did change Norman in the MCU but you have to think what he said to May and Peter. Oscorp doesn’t exist so he is homeless and Harry doesn’t exist. His whole life was changed

[@DariMan001]

@@tmac731 good point

[@yasianproductiontales8640]

@@tmac731 Yeah, he said all that when he was transported into the MCU. I was saying that his backstory and whatnot were the same.

[@harmonlanager2670]

I have a first responder friend who saw his fair share of car accidents and May’s death does line up with someone hit with a lot of blunt force trauma. The adrenaline carries you long enough to seem you’re okay for a few minutes than BAM drop dead.

[@jbcatz5]

With a new trilogy of movies for Holland’s incarnation, the reset button type open ending has a lot of scope for more classic flavour Spidey stories. The way the MCU has handled some of the riskier or less fan favourite storylines like Civil War shows they can make that kind of thing work better than it did on the comicbook page. I genuinely believe the Clone Saga could work, and would give Tom Holland some interesting material to work with. The memory wipe also strips away the more Ultimate Spider-Man like influences, since MCU Peter has now passed the point his Ultimate counterpart did.

[@t14dann18]

For the record, aunt may gets hit in the back and punctures a lung, so when she’s out of breath, it’s her lungs filling up with fluid. This leads to a lack of oxygenation which eventually affects her mental status. MAybe the glider hit a little too hard, but I don’t think it was completely crazy

[@izzy1349]

I completely understand the thematic purpose of having Ned and Mj forget peter, the sacrifice, but I love that trio too much too just retire them when we were just starting to see what Zendaya was capable of. I feel like Peter's loved ones sticking around despite their torment is kind of just as important as the fact that they do get hurt. Aunt May kinda echoed this and I feel like having loved ones is kind of an anchor Peter needs to keep going. An interesting idea i had is that maybe Ned promising not to become a supervillain was foreshadowing more than a joke. Maybe he becomes a magic based Hobgoblin and Peter becomes torn on whether he should tell him the truth or not

[@PatstarDeluxe]

The way MJ has been written/portrayed in the first 2 'Home' movies were my biggest gripe with them. Homecoming was the first thing I saw her in and I thought she was beyond awful. But having seen her in this, it's clear it was more an issue with writing than her acting.

[@chengkuoklee5734]

Maybe they can write in Multiverse of Madness a relic that seal Hobgoblin soul lost and possess Ned.

[@dahn4726]

Who knows? Maybe Ned will get symbioted lol

[@NeRdJaHsUdEd]

Felt like we saw MJ's character finally grow and as well as the relationship, it would be a shame if they just left it at that. I have a feeling since the characters still know Spiderman id assume MJ and Ned would still remember the events from Far from home and No Way Home but they would just not remember Peter. As MJ said she is going to figure out who Spiderman is and they will have a clean slate

[@TheJadedJames]

The ending basically gave the writers the space to do literally anything next. They could easily write Ned/MJ out of this series completely and give college Peter Parker more comic accurate friends. Ned/MJ are going to MIT after all. But I emotionally just enjoy this trio and I want them to keep having adventures together damn it.

[@Lavie_Azure]

I think Norman's dynamic with the Goblin is perfect because it portrays how disturbed and repulsed he is about the things he feels pleasure in doing deep inside, and wants to change back to his repressed self because ultimately what brought about "the Goblin" was the serum, enabling him to be something he hates just as much as he loves

[@theyoutubeanalyst3731]

I think Tobey Maguire was one of the greatest parts of the movie. Like an older wise brother. It's like looking what maturity can do with suffering, he learned to be happy with what he had in his plate and looks like he has a great life.

[@uzumakicata]

His acting was bad

[@chipsnicecream5989]

When Ned opened the portals to both Tobey and Andrew, Tobey was shown as Peter Parker and Andrew as Spider-Man, clearly showing who was better at playing who.

[@danielz-v4083]

My back feels damn good after such an insane stretch like this.

[@tanyaharmon6739]

@@danielz-v4083 Actaully godlike comment

[@honestgeese]

@@danielz-v4083 nah you cant just do that bro

[@J-manli]

@@danielz-v4083 Great roast, but I do sort of agree with the OP's comment. Spider-Man and Peter Parker have always had different ways of presenting themselves. Spider-Man is a quippy jokester who loves talking and constantly throwing jokes, while Peter Parker is often a reserved, introspective, and humble person. There's always been a general consensus that McGuire plays a great Peter Parker, but a low energy Spider-Man, while Garfield plays a great Spider-Man, but his Peter Parker is too much of a hipster.

[@superbeastboss3111]

The idea of Andrew Garfield not pulling his punches for some time and putting guys who were just selling an 8th in full body casts is still sending me😂😂😂😂

[@NotAustii]

Something I wish happened is when Norman becomes normal again near the end, we don't really get much from his character after the fact. It would've been cool to see Norman reflect on his Goblin self and even have a conversation w/ Tobey Maguire, maybe even asking about Harry to which Tobey would've said he died a hero.

[@jonnyleeconway]

That’s one area the film leaves really vague and I kind of hate it, Harry’s like sole reason for wanting to kill Spider-Man/Peter was because he killed his father, if Norman doesn’t die then Harry doesn’t turn evil, the film is just kinda vague abt what happens when these formerly dead villains return to their universe alive and normal again

[@Xeno7373]

@@jonnyleeconway i think the villains came from different universes

[@defro125]

@@jonnyleeconway I would imagine they would reintroduced into new timelines, according to MCU rules.

[@matthewsmith2237]

This movie cemented this green goblin as the greatest on screen interpretation of and marvel villain for me. There’s no other villain as intimidating as him when it comes to his personality. He’s horrifying because he’s unpredictable and you never know what he’s actually doing. He really sells what dealing with a crazy person truly looks like

[@kglomar8661]

Would love to hear your takes on Ned’s ability to summon portals, might be one of the craziest/funniest plot devices in MCU

[@JCHWKamileo]

0:56 I love when movie buffs say this exact thing, I can't tell you how many times some movie critic says "take away XYZ out of *insert movie* and this is what you're left with" you realize you can't really do that right? unless you plan on going full star wars on it, which in most cases would make the film more so confusing. No you can't take away the "bells and whistles" from this film, they're a product of the movie and a part of it, it's one of the most pointless things to make note of when criticizing a movie and adds nothing to the conversation.

[@mexicanstache]

Spider-Man No Way Home is in my opinion the best Spider-Man movie. I never thought I would be more excited watching a movie than Avengers Endgame. Then again I have never hated a single Spider-Man movie.

[@LineOfThy]

I think norman was humbled by the realization that he was basically nonexistent in the MCU, and then separated himself from the goblin to try and become a better person. He released the bad influences, keeping them out of his normal thought processes.