How Strong is Z Movie Goku? (Composite)

[@lonkstakes]

The law of equivalent exchange dictates I must now make a Godzilla video

[@Wexor.]

Unban me from ur server ong

[@Nota6693]

​@@Wexor.What did you do

[@godzillakingofthemonsters5812]

hmmmmm

[@RetroMagnus761]

Don't use any multiversal metas for Heisei Godzilla or I will hunt you down

[@altu8590]

@@RetroMagnus761 womp womp cry about it cuz he's beyond that

[@KidGoku-g4v]

Good video tbh. But i thibk you missed meta coolers speed feat when they were fighting in between insant transmission and has guides statement for it having no time or space either. I feel like that goes into immeasurable speeds before broly But anyways loved the video.

[@pamajam4038]

I gotta say it *breathes* IF GOKU CAN'T DO IT WHO WILL?!😤

[@aydenbarrera-smith6316]

Godzilla

[@G0S0EAVEN]

@@aydenbarrera-smith6316 GODZILAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA -random citizen from dragon ball abridged

[@RetroMagnus761]

I saw someone else suggest this to Chuck the power scaler and it's pretty interesting: how about you do "could the Viltrumites invade Equestria from My Little Pony?"

[@plus9775]

idk I think twilight sparkle might solo the invincible verse 😭She's like able to move the sun with telekinesis, early in the series.

[@BrandonScott-mi5pz]

EXCELLENT GOJI CHRONIC POWER SCALING Z MOVIE GOKU WORK.

[@gameuniverse5973]

​@@plus9775bruh the MLP verse scales to multiversal to complex multiversal there better off facing the DBS verse

[@albertaddison6621]

Imagine being a race of planet conquering warriors only to get negged by pastel colored tiny horses 😂😂

[@plus9775]

@@albertaddison6621 Vegeta watching in horror as he's turned to stone after his Final Flash disolves like a wet paper towel clashing with the elements of harmony

[@damianm8960]

Surprised ya didnt mention the battle Metal Cooler and Goku had in the subspace while in Instant Transmission.

[@thebanishedking7467]

Yeah that feat is wild. Puts him at or even beyond some of God flashes feats. Being beyond instantaneous. Yes I'm ready for some angry comments. Yes I enjoy the flash and comics as well as anime and manga.

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

Damn, haven't watched the video just yet but I'm surprised he didn't since that's the fastest speed feat in any form of Dragon Ball media. It's also very popular and is used every time when bringing up composite movie Goku.

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

​@@thebanishedking7467 I'm not gonna be rude, but I am going to help give some more information on the Flash. The Flash being faster than Instantaneous movement is known as Inaccessible Speed and it is the tier shown in the Zero Space realm feat where Cooler and Goku fight in instant time. That Speed feat was surpassed in the 80s during a comic that I have admittedly, forgotten the name of, but it's very popular and I'm very sure that you can find it online or on KZbin pretty easily. I've read it myself, but Years ago. The Speed feat that the Flash achieved in there, was what's known as Imeasurable Speed. It is the most common Speed feat for Flash and Superman and Infinitley exceeds the speed of Inaccessible. Not only could Flash fight against Cooler and Goku at the same time, but he could also fight Goku and Cooler in the past and the future and the Present at the same time. He could also attack them from all times and before they even fought at all. The Flash could also fight every different version of Goku and Cooler across every Continuity in cannon Dragon Ball media in the past, present and the future too. That's what Imeasurable Speed entails. It is veins able to travel through Time with your raw speed alone, and on the highest tiers, one can fight in and above all times that existed and don't exist and are obsolete due to Entropy. That speed is far beyond anything shown in cannon and non cannon Dragon Ball. Not including Heores and Xenoverse since those aren't part of the regular franchise and are also non cannon. Just noting that they do have Imeasurable Speed in those games. God Flash I'm pretty sure you're typing about the Black Racer who merged with Death and became the ultimate death of all speedsters. His speed tier is imeasurable as he can travel to the end of time and the Metaverse. Although he does temporarily die due to not being able to exist beyond in places that transcend Death. And Barry Allen Flash transcends Time, Space, Speed, Distance and Death. That is also not the fastest Flash has ever gone, that would be Irrelevant Speed which is beyond the concept of speed and Distance and Dimensionality itself. Being able to reach Boundless or Outerversal Realms that transcend Reality, such as Apokalypse, New Genesis, The Bleed, Gentry Realm or whatever it was, The Source, The Monitor Sphere and even outside of the Overvoid. Wally West is pretty crazy innit. Barry Allen is pretty fast too. But yeah just wanted to share some information I thought may be useful.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Toei Movies make characters like Bardock and King Vegeta at a power of level of 10,000 casually dwarf star level and those guys are fodder in the movie verse

[@RetroMagnus761]

Isn't 10,000 just planet busting?

[@James-nr2hi]

​​@@RetroMagnus761Not really. There is a statement that says you have to have a power level of 10,000 to destroy a planet but multiple feats in the actual series prove otherwise. Including King Vegeta himself who effortlessly destroyed three planets by waving his hand. Which is a dwarf star level feat. Or how characters with power levels as low as 100 can casually blow up the moon.

[@ErosSetAblaze]

Remember that farmer Raditz scanned who had a power level of 5? Power levels mean nothing if you take them literally.

[@jsmaelsartor595]

​@@James-nr2hiincorrect, in dragonball there are even planets smaller than a village and in fact we don't know the size of the planets who got destroyed by king vegeta in that moment, (it could have potentially been planets way smaller than earth) 10k is the official power level required to destroy a normal sized planet and the moon is 49 times smaller than earth so to understand what kind of power level you need to destroy the moon we can do 10k : 49 = 204 and even if master roshi was on a power level of 139 normally you have to consider that 1 all the things about the power level and numbers got introduced a long time after that moment and there can be little errors 2 when master roshi did it he was putting everything in that Kamehameha becoming more powerful and doing some research at his max he could have been 220/280 in that exact moment, and when piccolo destroyed the moon he was on a PL of 400 which is almost double the power level required to destroy the moon but to destroy a planet with the size of the earth you absolutely need a pl of 10k and it's confirmed in dragonball and king vegeta destroying most probably 3 small sized planets doesn't makes him on a star level, for an exemple the sun is 1.3mln times bigger than earth and to be on a star level in dragonball you need a power level of 1.300.000 x 10.000 = 13.000.000.000 and to make clear how much is that, frieza in his final form at his best in frieza saga was 120.000.000 which is far from being on a star level because the level of destruction of frieza in that moment was 120.000.000 : 10.000 = 12.000 earths 😐 like 12k times more than king vegeta 😐 and he was still not enough to be considered on a star level so king vegeta was definitely limited to a single planetary level

[@James-nr2hi]

@@jsmaelsartor595 Wow, it's amazing how wrong you are. 1. Earth is considered a small planet by Dragon Ball standards so the planets that king vegeta blew up were most likely as large if not larger than earth and the force required to completely obliterate 3 earth sized planets is in the dwarf star range of power. And this consistent as Vegeta's destruction of the bug planet was also calculated to dwarf star level 2. Power levels are not linear. They are exponential. For example a power level of 5 is a completely normal human but 200 is enough to blow up the moon. Do you see what I mean? Do I need to tell you that a human that is 40 times stronger than the average man couldn't blow up the moon?

[@giganoterror2500]

12:41 Dainzenshuu 6 says it takes place during the time between the announcement of and the start of the Cell Games, actually. 14:14 Also, Goku absolutely doesn't scale to RSSJ Broly. Not only was he holding back, but Goku says that his feat is stronger than what he can do and he had to run off from a Big Bang Attack from SSJ Vegeta which didn't do anything to Broly. This isn't even to mention of cases such as Android 19 and Semi Perfect Cell seemingly making Vegeta bleed and yet seconds later getting absolutely manslaughtered by him 15:27 Bojack also most likely doesn't scale to Broly in any sort of way. Not only are they most likely in different timelines, but Full Power Bojack is relative to a MSSJ Gohan (and he had to resort to ganging), who got absolutely stomped by Broly, not to mention how Koyama consistenly treats Broly as the absolute strongest.

[@Acularis]

Also, movie Goku and GT Goku are from the same universe. This can be seen when Hell opens up and you can see movie villains escaping.

[@gorge1365]

Exactly, GT Goku is also way too Exagerated Broken, people sleep on GT which is sad.

[@markmagician2471]

​@@gorge1365That's because everyone thinks Super is better which honestly is not the scaling in Super is way too ridiculous

[@gorge1365]

@@markmagician2471 Yep, Super is powerful but Toei is way too above that and GT is even higher.

[@markmagician2471]

@@gorge1365 I'm glad I enjoyed GT more especially Super Saiyan 4

[@gorge1365]

@@markmagician2471 Same bro, Super have some good stuffs but bad written and loved by wankers, GT was Peak only thing kinda bad was the Galaxy Adcenture Arc exept the Rildo and Baby episodes, that's it, Baby Arc, Super 17 Arc & Shadow Dragons Arc were all Bangers.

[@fulsted7167]

you didnt mention Cooler's instant transmission feat

[@Wexor.]

It’s not a feat

[@JoesMama-ci3yl]

🦶

[@ZAPRST8879]

it didn't matter anyway since it just going to give inf speed which already been achieved at that time

[@marcus7984]

You missed the Meta Cooler speed feat

[@eduardopantoja9115]

That still puts goku at infinite speed since goku already gets that in the last films but I view it as more convincing than Broly destroying the universe overtime

[@ناصرعادل-د6ل]

cool vid keep it up

[@doomedrager228]

Great video, and hope one day you take a crack at GT goku scaling. Since people still downplay the series. Like he even pulls a similiar feat from fusion reborn (not exactly the same but similar)

[@iggobomb6874]

I dont want to over glaze but goji chronic is one of the best power scalers on youtube Edit: in the godzilla space

[@DaneelHill]

I agree he just put information in the video then share it and he doesn’t want to tell a lie so he is honest and be educated about it

[@godzillakingofthemonsters5812]

Beats the brakes off of Saitama

[@NoahT-c3r]

Saitama aint even getting passed meta cooler.. goku is just overkill for saitama at this rate and bringing in movie goku is just bullying saitama

[@amogus1415]

Namek goku one taps saitama

[@DaneelHill]

I like that you research about stuff then tell us about the information i like you being educated about stuff and put that information into the vid that is why I like this channel

[@cheeseboi588]

I always kind of thought that the movies were in their own somehow connected timeline so adding up the power from them makes a lot of sense

[@gustavocarvalholoboleite3526]

Sugestion to video: Could Pandora from James Cameron Avatar survive a invasion of the White Spikes from The Tomorrow War?

[@filthybugger6236]

5 people would watch that video

[@GMP1isReal]

It's always funny to me when people go out of there way to downplay Z movies and GT scaling, which I never see for Z Kai/manga or Super. Like I'm open to Super Goku being stronger than GT Goku but you're not convincing me by saying that the movies aren't canon to GT despite that being clearly the foundation GT was built on with Cooler's appearance, Goku using Dragon Fist, or Vegeta getting fusion dance right the first try.

[@XD-sc4ix]

Doesn't mean the rest are Canon otherwise you would see broly, lord slug and bojack too

[@vonatethegod3244]

Not how this works

[@GMP1isReal]

@@XD-sc4ix This is exactly the downplay I'm talking about. The Z movies were written as all in one continuity with each other (both according to the writer and Toriyama as cited in the video) and connected to the filler in the Z anime, and GT builds off that. You don't need Goku to bring up Raditz in Super to know that Raditz came to Earth in that continuity's version of the Saiyan Saga, so why are you in the mindset that the movie events had a completely different, unseen version of events? Do you really think the Toei staff sat down and thought "yeah, let's have Cooler be connected to GT but we don't like Broly so we won't canonize him to this series"? It's completely arbitrary.

[@XD-sc4ix]

@@GMP1isReal GT ain't Canon to the movies outside of the cooler movies yall just coping because BoG goku solos SSJ4 gogeta

[@GMP1isReal]

@@XD-sc4ix I think you're just coping with how GT scales higher than most people think and closer to Super than you want. Like I said, I'm perfectly fine with Super scaling higher, I'm just tired of GT and Z movies getting downplayed, but you just want to hate and add nothing to the conversation.

[@rodthedigger2902]

Great video!

[@sheeeeesh3628]

Koyama has such a hard on for Broly its insane.

[@EALS-pb5rs]

Unfortunately I can't suscribe since I reached the limit and I need to keep track of smaller harder to remember channels but as a DBZ/Godzilla fan I will be watching more of these for sure

[@ChaoticUrges]

0:20 Will you ever cover that kinda film?

[@FrozenInIce]

You forgot to mention that kid goku around 150 power level was faster than light enough to move and react to tiens solar beam.

[@lazerbreaker4758]

Every official dragon ball is canon because of alternate timelines which is part of dragon ball

[@PizzaPuncher2]

When Super fans say "Canon" they mean what's most recent and being talked about by the fan base at the time. They consider Super "Canon" even though it contradicts the end of Z and they consider the Super Broly movie "Canon" even though it contradicts the original TV special Bardock who was in the original manga and it also Contradicts the fact that Goku was an infant when he came to earth. They can overlook these things because the movie had a lot of buzz and was recent so, it had the fans talking. Super fans don't really care about consistency and staying true to the original, they care about hype. A lot of times, anything that isn't considered "Canon" by them is crapped on because, it "wasn't worked on by Toriyama" even though, Toriyama barely worked on Super either. They refuse to believe in alternate timelines because, they want Super to be the only thing that matters.

[@lazerbreaker4758]

@@PizzaPuncher2 everything in dragon ball is canon because of alternate timelines which is canon to dragon ball

[@PizzaPuncher2]

@@lazerbreaker4758 I'm not disagreeing with you.

[@Shoddragon]

@@PizzaPuncher2 the Tv bardock special was never canon. Toriyama MADE Bardock canon via the mini flashback on Namek but the TV special as a whole wasn't.

[@kiloblunt4634]

Good scaling good editing good video Also day 9 of asking for discord MLP power scaling

[@aseemmaurya8267]

Imagine movie goku and vegeta reaching their god forms.

[@ontheinside]

When it comes to dead zone koyama contradicts himself from back then , saying things like janemba didn't reality warp as well has his numerous statements with broly , including him not being able to destroy the universe

[@user-tg2tt2qs1z]

I love your videos

[@Allarke]

Can you powerscale Devilman

[@JodaroKujo]

I watched this cause I love Dbz and the 13 movies Also cause Rei

[@Logan.OG-g1o]

I would like to see you make a video scaling the jp dinosaurs like the herbivores and the other ones you haven't scaled yet

[@maanking9923]

W video can you please do dinosaur King Saurophaganax can it survive monster versus skull Island

[@augustuswalsh5530]

What a blast.

[@luisf1234-gaming]

Day 1 of asking for Live Action Zombie Jason Voorhees vs Live Action Michael Myers

[@Imporsen-no8ul]

Can you do if mario can survive in the db verse?

[@superbowsersilva]

Believe it or not yes he can Since Mario at his worst is somewhere around complex Multiverse but at his best outer.

[@Imporsen-no8ul]

@@superbowsersilva k

[@IronFerret62]

​@@superbowsersilva that's not what at his worst means. He only gets to complex multiversal with statements and a lot of chain scaling. Based on actual displayed feats he comes nowhere close to that.

[@RetroMagnus761]

Can Mario survive Sonic's verse would be better

[@superbowsersilva]

@@RetroMagnus761 yeah he could survive

[@migueldamian6099]

You should do “how powerful is the family from fast and furious”

[@LHW1.13]

I know this sounds like a really random matchup but could you do Comic Ash Williams Vs Manga Chainsaw man? Even if it’s just a short I don’t mind. It’s okay if you dont wanna make it tho. My opinion on the debate is Ash Wipes.

[@kadexshidomuda8113]

The super space stuff is wrong. 1. Garlick jr never stated ut was a hyper/super space it was the dizenshuu. 2. Koyama would just simply be contradicted through what's shown in the movie and guide which we would take over koyama who is inconsistent. Also he saying at the time of writing it meaning it before it was complete so his mind could've changed.

[@KnowledgeFoundation14363]

Can you do Jojo vs Dragon Ball? I wanna see your take on GER vs Dragon Ball

[@Thekingdededewkdk]

Peak, Goku is the goat

[@jesusgarcia-ln4vh]

Hey goji, unrelated question but what’s the strongest super character gt ssj 4 gogeta can beat

[@IsaiahJones-rw1pc]

Allat just for Elmo to wash in base 🥱

[@Nota6693]

Light novel Dr. wheelo one tapped him

[@mythos6308]

Allat for Baby Superman to solo the whole verse

[@De_lua-b6v]

@Goji-Chronic where would you rank DBZ anime, DBZ kai, z movies (composite), Gt and Super in terms of powerscaling i wanna know your thoughts. Edit: could you make a vid on how strong dbs anime vs dbs manga? Another question is DBS connected to z anime or just kai if so could you make a scaling vid on kai?? Sorry if im asking for to much. I just really wanna know your thoughts.

[@Lumantrix]

Can you power scale the man hole cover that Andrew Spiderman uses to block missiles

[@gorge1365]

Toei Goku at best is Multiversal+ to High Multiversal with MFTL+. Also to mention, Toei Goku is the same as GT Goku due GT being a direct Sequel to Toei's Dragon Ball Z which count Anime + Fillers, Ovas and the Movies, making GT Goku why too Exagerated Broken.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

The fact that Garlick Jr (Who timeline wise is in the Raditz era of DB) was able to create a black hole is might impressive, and SSJ3 Goku later shakes all of hell which is infinite and even distorts it

[@RetroMagnus761]

Shaking the afterlife is like a 4D feat

[@User_Here414]

​@@RetroMagnus761 Most likely 5D since the afterlife is a higher dimensionality than the living realm. However, some people argue it's Outer, which I don't agree with tbh

[@Kami.Asura000]

​@User_Here414 OH believe me I've interacted with those fans...he sent me scans after scans, essay after essay and I wasn't reading that 😭

[@User_Here414]

@@Kami.Asura000 Yeah Outer to me doesn't really make sense I feel like it's wank and wasn't really intended to be taken as literal

[@User_Here414]

You have to go through a lot of mental gymnastics to justify it and take statements as literal for Outer

[@derekhofstetler3998]

Video 4 of asking for Gojichrinic to powerscale the entire Godzilla 1998 universe (Godzilla 1996 included, the script should be there online)

[@kyronhoward9935]

Technically Original Z Anime/Movie Goku are the same person as GT Goku

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

Good, let this fool know (a bit barsh but he should really not like super fanboys try pandering bashing gt for no reason 😂

[@aydenbarrera-smith6316]

I thought the dead Zone took place before raditz. And it makes sense…i

[@aydenbarrera-smith6316]

And I don’t think there was a KaioKen in that movie

[@Noone-xf9uu]

Dead zone takes place in another timeline not the actual dragon ball z timeline.

[@elementaljedi9335]

Can you do a video about Caesar’s apes being able to survive Jurassic Park/World? 🙏🙏🙏

[@Vfanatic1]

Toeiverse Goku going Kaioken x100 Super Sayain 3 Battle of God Goku: 🥵

[@JosueQuiche]

Since you already put Super Smash bros characters against Goku, perhaps you should consider finding another character who may or may not solo all or most of the Super Smash characters?(Just a suggestion)😅

[@RetroMagnus761]

Kratos vs Smash

[@Invisibleboy999]

@@RetroMagnus761honestly kratos might solo most of smash. Hes not beating sonic tho

[@RetroMagnus761]

@@Invisibleboy999 Archie Sonic beats Kratos, Game Sonic? Not really honestly

[@Invisibleboy999]

@@RetroMagnus761 game sonic obliterates kratos

[@RetroMagnus761]

@@Invisibleboy999 nah

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

You forgot to mention goku stated fat janemba could destroy entire universe yet was confident to fight him in base suggesting he has low multiversal ap and dp in base 😭

[@reddog8841]

Alright a few problems with the video. and yes its with the Broly part 1: Koyama does say usually the next opponent is stronger then the previous, but in that same sentence he also said he couldn't find anyone stronger then Broly thus he made him appear 3 times. Meaning Bojack isn't close to M8 Broly. If he was then well, he found someone stronger 2: Koyama isn't the only writer/producer of the Broly films that said Broly was outright the strongest. Morishita Kouzou and Shigeyasu Yamauchi both said that Broly was the strongest saiyan 3: Koyama did say in interviews that Broly was only the strongest in DBZ, however in GT he says nothing about it 4: Many guides say Goku is the strongest in Movie 8, but in the Movie he got belted by Broly. in short, Goku isn't above Broly based on 3 producers statements

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

I feel like broly has been surpass salty yes but i feel like his potential could eclipse any major power creep in nanoseconds The only reason he lost to goku was that he let his fear of kakrot courage get best outta only to let his guard down and got weaker throughout space i m sure yet goku could barely handle him before he started to bounce back to his prime healthy state While other clones were just a copy of a smidgen of broly potential I feel like broly is like anakin from star Wars, he had easily the best potential but got robbed of the potential by letting his emotion take control and be hurt enough to lose the potential...........

[@Shoddragon]

Koyama holds very little weight when trying to powerscaling Broly to later villains (whether movie villains or canon villains) due to the fact his word is constantly contradicted by the actual movies and both the z anime and manga. He really just seems to enjoy hyping Broly up which itself isn't quite good enough of an argument.

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

@@Shoddragon broly has infinite untapped power by some scans Broly realistically beat anyone if getting time to adapt

[@reddog8841]

@@Shoddragon He isn't the only writer who says Broly is the strongest saiyan. Toyotaro said it, Morshita said it, Yamaguchi said it. Toei staffs rates Broly very highly

[@FlakitoMio-ox4vr]

Can you do a video on Jimmy neutron or Timmy Turner from fairly odd parents.

[@AntonioCardozo-pc7qp]

Do you think death battle was wrong about goku vs Superman from last year

[@stephenchambers7972]

to be honest I could see broly becoming the strongest person in gt as well if he trains in the time chamber and gain some zenkai boosts.

[@anthonybembamba8673]

Wait why didn't he include battle of gods and resurrection of F ?

[@jayson.win231]

He's talking about a non-cannon version of goku

[@markmagician2471]

11:46 does that mean he never went to Yardrat then? Because he doesn't transform into a Super Saiyan until the end it looked like it was forced after that bird dies

[@sergworldwide3706]

No, it's because goku was actually holding back for some reason, he actually did this alot in a bucn og the movies

[@Miguel-r-z8v]

Sugestion: Can the PvZ zombies dominate the Warhammer verse?

[@genesismultiverse4896]

Which movie is your favorite mine is wrath of the dragon

[@ojpickle5923]

17:37 where does this statment come from?

[@ChaosGodEnerjak]

I think it’s from a Dorothée Magazine magazine guide

[@NeoFlonx]

Do sonic vs mario

[@andreharrison6392]

For meta cooler when they were traveling in instant transmission which beyond time and space "infinite speed" Also for broly u said goku got a 1000x time amp which is insane cuz been wondering what the power boost from everyone abdorbed into goku was which make him stronger than ultimate gohan temporarily

[@THEOnewhoeditz-b7x]

Teleportations don't give you infinite speedsm

[@Noone-xf9uu]

​@@THEOnewhoeditz-b7x instant transmission can since its instant and cooler is even faster than it.

[@THEOnewhoeditz-b7x]

@@Noone-xf9uu They don't stated in rules of power scailing

[@Noone-xf9uu]

@@THEOnewhoeditz-b7x its literally said that instant transmission is instant In speed.

[@manuelquijada817]

@@Noone-xf9uuCooler was just using instant transmission at the same time as Goku.

[@Ruben_STL]

Do Gundam vs Evangelion.

[@dhanihamilton]

Can you give me some clarity on if Godzilla can beat injustice Superman ending the madness 😢

[@elmoslayerelmo206]

My glorious king Goku😹🥀

[@nearj2421]

The king vegeta scene in which he blows up a planet isn’t canon

[@XD-sc4ix]

It is tho

[@nearj2421]

@@XD-sc4ix It isn’t in the manga, it was anime filler

[@XD-sc4ix]

@@nearj2421 the movies are set in the anime timeline anyway soo it is Canon to the movies

[@alexramirez4502]

I doubt base Goku was stronger than Freeza in the first Cooler movie. In my opinion he was talking about Goku having a threatening power and Freeza's ego being so big he might have been killed by base Goku bc of overconfidence and not by raw power.

[@dungton6066]

How could Z movies Goku be stronger than his GT counterpart when GT include all of the movies aswell? Very peculiar

[@thelettucebarrel7784]

GT doesn’t include all the movies.

[@RetroMagnus761]

None of the movies are canon to GT. None of the writers from the movies nor GT have ever actually confirmed a solid connection between them, GT only has references to the movies like Cooler appearing in the Super 17 arc

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

​@@thelettucebarrel7784stop being biased about hating gt lol

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

​@@RetroMagnus761 reference? He physically made an appearance??? Also the fusion dance was on point by both of them which would imply they have experience fusion reborn Also toriyama stated they are side story to z anime which includes z movie in filler

[@thelettucebarrel7784]

@@ohhellwhereami2574 I’m not biased lol. GT isn’t strong.

[@sev9258]

W having Janemba above Broly

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

L

[@JARMIDz]

You forgot about meta cooler and goku fighting inside of instant transmission. The way it’s described in the movie guide, should make that feat Immeasurable to Irrelevant speed

[@Noone-xf9uu]

Immeasurable speed that's nowhere near a irrelevant speed feat.

[@micheal.b.shortman5112]

Can someone give me the calc for the moon recreation for Kami pls ?

[@gigawarman12]

Usually creation feats put them at most, one tier above the object in which they create. I.e small planetary in this case.

[@z-uwu4687]

Power levels are stated to work differently

[@sai4998]

Movie goku being stronger then the GT verse wouldnt make much sense since the movies are canon to GT, making gt goku movie goku

[@XD-sc4ix]

Only a handful of them are Canon like the cooler movies

[@UniVS427]

@@XD-sc4ixJanemba is definitely canon to GT too.

[@manuelquijada817]

@@UniVS427 Yeah but there seem to be discrepancies. Janemba was easily able to take down the barrier in the afterlife while Super 17 only manages a portal. Plus vegeta loses his body at the end of the movie.

[@vonatethegod3244]

Not how stuff works

[@UniVS427]

@@manuelquijada817 despite discrepancies, Goku (and especially Vegeta) seems familiar with doing the fusion dance with each other which implies they were definitely Gogeta before.

[@Godzillafan12360]

Hey bro scale monster island buddy Godzilla Please

[@RetroMagnus761]

Beyond tiering system

[@NotKev8n]

yOoooOoooO 😮😮😮

[@aydenbarrera-smith6316]

So Z Goku was already on DBS level

[@khaostheking3070]

It's Official Broly stronger than Z and GT. 💀

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

Broly potential is more than anything , he would beat super as well can't lie

[@jayson.win231]

​@@ohhellwhereami2574 wdym he already lost

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

@@jayson.win231 while he was offguard by fear of goku's bravery yeah....

[@jayson.win231]

@@ohhellwhereami2574 oh your talking about z broly

[@GBLunknown]

isn't there a speed feat in one of the cooler movies that puts goku speed at irrelevant since they are moving instantly, at least that what i remamber the movie says

[@ojpickle5923]

They were using a technique to move that fast, not their normal speed

[@marcus7984]

Yes

[@malikmcfarlane6060]

​@@ojpickle5923It's not the take me that gets them infinite speed but the space that they get sent to which is the teleportation zone.

[@THEOnewhoeditz-b7x]

And also didn't Koyama said not to take his opinions seriously? Because that's his opinion not the author because. Screenwriters don't count as authors. Because they don't have the authority

[@Noone-xf9uu]

Yeah he did say that.

[@Shoddragon]

He did because his statements were never meant to be taken literally as "word of God" powerscaling. More than anything it was his thought process as a writer/producer and not like he sat there doing energy graphs in his head trying calculate how strong Broly is compared to everyone else. It's like Anthony Starr (actor for Homelander) saying Homelander beats Superman. He might be the actor for the character and have limited say in writing/character portrayal but that doesn't mean it overrides in-universe feats and statements.

[@geodude0744]

How strong would you place "Movie Goku (Composite)" against Dragon Ball Super Goku and Dragon Ball GT Goku?

[@KidGoku-g4v]

Tbh in GT they showed cooler, turtles corps and fusion dance In past and trunks having tapion sword. Do it does scale GT higher. And DBs outscale it currently but there is a good debate between fusion reborn Goku ssj3 Vs ssj god from battle of gods.

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

​@@KidGoku-g4v nuh uh movie goku fought against fat janemba despite stating he can destroy entire universe granted he was distorting after life it's fair goku was mentioning whole uni 7 even then decide to fight him in *BASE* yes....... Bs i know that's just good ol' movie goku pal He was God level before god

[@KidGoku-g4v]

@@ohhellwhereami2574 actually I agree.

[@Bloxfruitsistrashlmaocope]

Goku solos

[@MwateKawanje-uh9su]

But why does koyama imply the broly is the strongest movie villain.

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

Because one reason COOL

[@Shoddragon]

Broly is a fan favorite character and one that kept coming back stronger and stronger so Koyama had reason to hype him up when people kept asking him how strong he was.

[@hoonencode2430]

Low complex multiversal

[@leeharalsonjr8377]

How is blowing up the moon or making it a star or planetary feat? The wank is out of control

[@gigawarman12]

For one, destruction of matter at the atomic level is an inherent property of Ki in dragon ball. The extent of which things are destroyed can determine higher energy yields. Imagine using a stick of dynamite to blow up a rock barely bigger than your fist

[@yvngvudu]

You're vaporized by a Kamehameha or you are launched into the sun; no inbetween. PS: "Battle of gods" & "Return of Frieza" are the last DBZ movies before super.

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

No...... Lil bro

[@yvngvudu]

@@ohhellwhereami2574 they literally are you fake fan

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

@@yvngvudu if you know you would realize what true z movies are

[@yvngvudu]

@@ohhellwhereami2574 yeah BOG and ROF are DBZ movies

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

@@yvngvudu that just proves your knowledge to be external

[@azohoangi69]

Fun fact no one cares: earth in dragon is 900x larger than the sun

[@XD-sc4ix]

Source?

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

​​@@XD-sc4ixhe is the source i even extract his source when i am hungry for study purposes obviously...

[@Shoddragon]

I swear to God if this is based on the joke statement from Dr. Slump AGAIN i'm going to cry (for those who don't know, there is a gag character in Dr. Slump infamous for never knowing wtf he is talking about, including cosmological stuff).

[@rainingterror5083]

wouldn't broly be able to one shot the universe? since he was a galaxy buster as a nerfed and supressed super sayian?

[@rainingterror5083]

also bojack wouldn't bojack be weaker than broly since bojack was wandering the four quadrants trying to attempt what broly did at the start of his movie?

[@Shoddragon]

the difference between a single galaxy and our real life universe is massive. There are potentially trillions of galaxies irl, some much bigger than others.

[@Galberosfaith]

How powerful is dr gero?

[@HATER742]

He solos you favorite verse

[@filthybugger6236]

Not very

[@Galberosfaith]

@@HATER742so he’s more powerful than himself?

[@RetroMagnus761]

High multi star level

[@Handyrandy2233]

Stronger then future trunks weaker then piccolo

[@daltonlandis6445]

Wait did goku in movie 1 use kaioken or not?

[@gigawarman12]

No

[@Acularis]

TORIyama, not Koiyama. For Gods sake his name is TORIyama.

[@Noone-xf9uu]

Koiyama is the screen writer of dragon ball z hes not talking about toriyama.

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

💀😭 blud got cooked

[@Shoddragon]

Koyama is the dude who was largely in charge of the movies, he referenced the right person.

[@ArthurDuarte30]

Resuming: he is Low Multiversal Yes he is stronger than Z Goku

[@smoker_ytAnosistheconceptofmid]

Solos Bleach Frr

[@erikapowell5314]

You’re a good scaler you do make questionable decisions but you can make good ones and unlike tyleared you don’t clown on people who have different opinions

[@Brayxedit]

Naw outerversal

[@ColdRavensNest]

U said gokus power level was 120,000,000 at base ahahaha. That's so wrong. U made alot of assumptions. So ur telling me that cooler would just know friezas max BP just cuz why not? Or did frieza show it off to cooler for no reason what so ever. Stop adding context. Friezas base form aka final form is what cooler knows since frieza made forms to tone down his power. If goku easily beat him then that would mean goku would be 2-3x more powerful then the 4 million that frieza puts up. Plz stop adding context

[@Monkes23]

If Zarbon and the Ginyu force knew about it, why wouldn't cooler, HIS BROTHER??

[@ColdRavensNest]

@@Monkes23 they never did. They knew he had a SECOND form not 100% when was that stated?

[@XD-sc4ix]

Cooler is literally his brother he would definitely know about his true form and power level

[@XD-sc4ix]

​@@ColdRavensNestdoesn't matter the guidebooks and even goku himself states that final form cooler is stronger than frieza including his final form

[@ColdRavensNest]

@@XD-sc4ix doesn't matter? So u just made it up. Got it

[@JadoBouhzam]

Now do how ssj4 goku is he is heavily downplayed in the dragon ball comunnity as all the movies are canon to it

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

You're gonna face some harsh boycotting saying this, supe fanboy next level bias against gt

[@Godzillafan12360]

Su wung Kong victim

[@HATER742]

Moon wukong

[@Nota6693]

Ohio

[@Marz776]

Actually the movies are canon in GT so by extension GT Pan folds broly like a paper

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

No... Broly potential >>>> anything ever

[@Marz776]

@@ohhellwhereami2574 nuh uh, pan folds him like paper, one punch and he's DONE

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

@@Marz776 broly after being folded like paper only to surpass her 1000s of generation in second. : HAhahahah

[@Marz776]

@@ohhellwhereami2574 he's desintegrated anywaya because pan is just that good