How Team 17 Can Add the Japanese Faction into Hell Let Loose

[@khalee95]

British vs Japanese campaign was mainly jungle fighting. Similar tech. Chinese vs Japanese campaign was mainly urban fighting. Similar tech. American vs Japanese mainly jungle fighting, but with the Americans outclassing in tech.

[@damizygzag259]

I would prefer diffrent stage of war than new factions. Imagine how different early barbarossa would feel to the times we have now.

[@GiorgioChiellini723]

It wouldn't feel different

[@bruhism173]

This depends on Team 17 not trying to sabotage the game

[@joeyrabbit9088]

The best way to balance fighting on jungle/forest maps is to make it so people can’t just walk through or hide in the center of any bush. Put an invisible wall in there and make it slow down movement and make noise similar to barbed wire but not as harshly.

[@G41wal]

I mean I think Rising Storm 1 did great at the jungle combat. S44 maps are nice but we really do need some intense CQC.

[@racter4203]

I think we'll get some with the Iwo Jima update since they have the tunnels​@@G41wal

[@specialopssoldier1]

bro i hope they can do the pacific theater asap..i know alot of people want that right now.. i mean imagine Iwo jima and Guadalcanal looking beautiful with the beaches

[@bruhism173]

They couldn't even add their own country to the game correctly, they ain't adding Japan

[@Freehitting]

Anzacs vs Japanese soldiers in Papua New Guinea would be sick

[@Freehitting]

Kokoda track campaign, battle of Milne Bay and Battle of Buna Gona would probs be the best ones but I doubt they’ll ever add it.

[@shanehazzard2285]

Happy holidays man, always appreciate your content!

[@ChaoticHammer_]

Happy holidays to you too bud, thank you!

[@stevenfischer5848]

To balance the later could half the spawn time for the Japanese as well as including a lot of tunnel based capture points since one of the tactics that made them so formidable was the tunnel systems they used to avoid navel guns and artillery. Also, if the maps are dense with foliage, it would give the light tanks an advantage.

[@jackswain5713]

Very good video. I’d love to see the pacific theatre in the game.

[@jobefoxworth2325]

This video makes a lot of sense, I’ve always said that the way to balance the pacific was to use Guadalcanal, but I had an idea to balance the tanks, and. I’m not sure how plausible it could be, because I don’t know the layout of Guadalcanal, but having dense jungles that aren’t traversable by tanks with 3-5 narrow roads that cut through the map, and maybe even randomized mud holes that could bog down tanks, causing them to slow down to get unstuck, making them vulnerable, which would allow choke points for tanks where players could set up at guns and take out tanks. Maybe even having different clearances on the roads, so you could anticipate where the heavy tanks would come from, while not completely restricting movement and making light tanks obselete. But it would be difficult to keep it from just becoming a meat grinder. I also feel like in Guadalcanal, they should allow the players who have unlocked semi-auto rifles for classes like officer, or who are high-level riflemen to either have the m1 garand or maybe even the Johnson rifle. And I feel like the best way to do the m3 would be to give the spotter the option to man one of the cannons, and the gunner control the other, which would allow the driver to keep firing his mg, but I would also like to see an option for the spotter to expose himself and fire a roof-mounted machine gun, not just with the m3 but with all tanks. But, I do feel like it would be best for them to add Italy instead of the Japanese, because Italy would fit better into the game in its current state, and they could even start with an Italian variant of El Alamein to work out balance before building new maps, and if they had to, Italy could use German tanks for balance, since they often were supported by German armor. Edit:Holy cow I didn’t realize how much I typed, my bad.

[@ChaoticHammer_]

@jobefoxworth2325 all good bud, I do the same thing, I appreciate the details and your thoughts on this matter

[@G41wal]

God damn I really really hope so … that would be next level for sure. I remember seeing the road map years ago on their kickstarter for the pacific theater expansion I hope it happens

[@MrHeadSet1]

Rising Storm did it right, so I don't see how Hell Let Loose can't do it. Just add a Banzai feature and its over.

[@bananaramaman9031]

Nice analysis. I like your ideas

[@alfredojimenez5277]

I think that for balancing the British and make them more acurate in north África they should add the german panzersbuche anti tank rifle and remove the panzersreck and the piat fron north África. For the balance against the japanese just dont add the piat and place the at boys rifle. I know it's difficult, but if they added a more elaborate weak point system to vehicles with crew, ammunition, fuel tanks, anti-tank rifles would be more useful and fun.

[@ChaoticHammer_]

@alfredojimenez5277 it’s one way you could do it, taking out the PIAT is probably the best move for the sake of balancing, maybe the excuse of “lesser equipped British Raj troops”could be used. the crew and weak points would be nice to see but the same time I understand why the simple balancing act with armor exists, even with its flaws it does make things cut and dry as much as possible when dealing with tanks (as infantry or armor) with very little overall BS compared to games like Warthunder where if you hit somewhere and in reality it should do “this sort of damage” then does nothing,

[@tysoncomfort4244]

They could add canadian Italian campaign battles like the battle of ortana piercing the Gothic line or operation husky

[@alexprice3833]

Hear me out…China theater? The Chinese used copies of German, Soviet, and American weapons. Or Burma? British/Indian vs Japanese?

[@ChaoticHammer_]

China is a possibility but I think it would be an infantry only battle to make it fair, Impala and Kohima as I mentioned is near Burma/ in the British Raj

[@andrewtodd5919]

Bring in Japan but make it against Aussie aka Brits as intro . Kokoda trail etc

[@ernestmoulin8962]

Yeah good idea ! However, I really play a Peleliu map

[@Marty6804]

The skeleton crew dev team barely put out two maps in a year. Introduced numerous bugs each update and then only fix a handful afterwards leaving the game still littered with bugs and graphical glitches…..but people still want an entire new faction which would require an entire catalogue of new assets for the new Pacific maps. Yeah right lolol

[@ChaoticHammer_]

@@Marty6804 yeah I’d rather see better game stability, UK and USSR finished, and new game mechanics before a new faction. Server browser was pretty big though but I get the frustration with the lack of content

[@JoshBeut]

Adding commonwealth battles would be an easy way to add content. Slight variants in uniforms, but for the most part commonwealth soldiers were similarly equipped to the British. More maps in Holland or something like Ortona in Italy would be perfect for HLL

[@jopekpl3986]

I think there could be some features to balance it out in terms of logistics. Like everything being 2x more expensive for Americans or British. Instead of 50 supps for a garrison you,d need 100. 2x more for every arty shot, every tank, bombing run etc. I think that would even it out in some way

[@ChaoticHammer_]

@jopekpl3986 might be way to bring Iwo Jima to the game and other late war maps, would have to see how this would work in action though

[@themanateemansand2416]

They need an Italian campaign and monte cassino plz!

[@JackFox-v7z]

Idk why HLL wouldnt work on pacific theatre

[@lurkk4869]

The problem with Brit vs Germany is the map and gunplay. An MP40 is gonna beat out a bolt action rifle in close quarters, GGs. But if I can three tap a guy across the bare dessert map with that same MP40 then the British just can’t keep up. The deadly precise accuracy of a lot of weapons (barely any weapon sway, no barrel alignment, no stamina effect, not a lot of recoil) is fun, but absolutely exploitable in large open maps. With that, I hope a more diverse jungle / hill map with lots of cover can balance the fighting. BUT, HLL backed itself into a corner with its limited, simple mechanics. They’re fun but add little depth to a game, HLL needs a game mechanics overhaul to have more longevity rather than maps unfortunately. (Like you mentioned with the artillery being OP with a good player. Also too the medic class is often useless cause people just give up anyway…etc.) I’d rather have them perfect and work on what they have with overhauls or little updates and tweaks than see the pacific theatre and the game stay at worst, frustrating and dry. Thanks for letting me rant I enjoyed the video and absolutely agree with your analysis with the game in its current state, but man I love this game but it needs an overhaul in mechanics/ gameplay loop before any new maps.

[@lurkk4869]

Also too I wanna be able to revive my own squad by using one of my bandages. It’s so not fun to be doing anything cool and just hear your squad sigh and say “oh well” while I can’t do anything to help them because they got one tapped out of nowhere. It’s so lame I can’t help them out. And also too it’ll help medics because being able to be revived by people around you will keep people on the give up screen longer and give an incentive to stay alive that little bit longer it takes a medic to get to them.

[@ChaoticHammer_]

I understand this completely, personally I’d rather have the UK and USSR rounded out first and new game mechanics than another faction, but a lot people keep asking for a pacific theatre/new faction so idk lol Medic does need an overhaul in some way as well

[@GD19415]

If they add rifle bayonets sure they can

[@ThePadi94]

Hell let Loose is currently free on Epic…

[@ChaoticHammer_]

Second wave of Christmas noobs inbound!

[@satriadewazuda2949]

Just play squad 44 at this point.

[@ChaoticHammer_]

@@satriadewazuda2949 no

[@satriadewazuda2949]

@@ChaoticHammer_ lol keep hoping, nice vids tho

[@Marty6804]

That game is quality but there’s a reason people pick HLL over it. They don’t want a game that hardcore. And the player count proves it. With all these quality updates for Squad 44 adding so many features and fixes…it still only hovers around 500 players even though the community swore up and down that the game’s community would continue to grow.

[@Tankumentary]

​@@Marty6804 Its got a high playervase because its on console. If Squad44 was on console they wouldnt play HLL

[@thebeerbaron438]

@@Tankumentary disagree. The hardcore crowd is definitely more prevalent on PC. Consoles have always been more casual. HLL is the game that imo has a great balance of hardcore and casual gameplay that simply appeals to more people.

[@BuskerBrown]

I'm pretty new to the game so take this with a grain of salt. What if they allowed some of the more famous battles that you said were out of the question, but changed the team sizes. For example US-40 JAP-60. Maybe the numbers could offset the firepower difference

[@Wr3NCh23]

I think they should have done this with north africa, remove heavy tanks from the maps, ik tankers would be mad about that but it would even the playing field and keep it authentic. I think this could be done if they introduce the Japanese and US marines

[@wayne79.]

They need to do a Vietnam game

[@gregday9943]

Bro im so ass at hell let lose i think the other team could have air soft guns and it wouldnt matter

[@ethan-wyattkeen5896]

The Philippines

[@ChaoticHammer_]

Could also work, 1941/42 most likely

[@brendonaldson8056]

Can we not? How about better bug fixes and a second game in the future

[@harrygriffiths-iy5gb]

Let me guess your not gonna talk about Australia as a faction

[@Marty6804]

Why would he? You really think we’re going to talk about Australia when the game doesn’t even have the Japanese or Italians as factions? It’s not gonna happen

[@tristanwoody1492]

They can't add shit until they stop the bug resetting mfs back to level 1 and locking out all loadouts/preventing leveling.

[@ChaoticHammer_]

They just put out something today that should have resolved that issue

[@Tankumentary]

Haha thats a bug in bug let loose? Jeez what a terrible game

[@matthewpohl6272]

Naw, just have people play BFV if they want to play Japan so bad.

[@StayRadDontDie11B]

NO that'd make it a different game. This is Army sorry Marines go get your own game

[@ChaoticHammer_]

Bruh what?😂

[@StayRadDontDie11B]

@ChaoticHammer_ the pacific and European campaigns were radically different man. The matches would be totally different. Totally changing the game play. Might as well make a separate game for it. Plus I was prior service in the 82nd so I'm poking fun at Marines of course hahahaha

[@ChaoticHammer_]

@ that’s fair, I thought that’s what you meant but it’s the internet so I took the cautionary approach, I’m not military, some of my close friends are marines, it’s funny to hear about the military “rivalries” lol I mean….the army was in the pacific but at D-Day, not a single marine was present, so you got that going 😂 I know each vet feels differently with this, but thank you for your service bud!

[@StayRadDontDie11B]

@ChaoticHammer_ ya, Marines will get it

[@AlbertVonB]

This will not happend, t17 ruined this game, I'm sticking with sq44 now

[@ChaoticHammer_]

Cool have fun!

[@bradwalshem3663]

Sounds reasonable, but bringing the Japanese in just doesn't sound fun. Forget about the Japanese. Or, if you must bring them in, then be a lot more flexible with historical accuracy. Give them a decent, ahistorical kit. Give them an ahistorical, fantasy Japanese M1 Garand. Give them an ahistorical rocket. Give them competitive, ahistorical, fantasy-if-you-need-to tanks. Let the history police whine about it. Is our priority playing a good game with good gameplay, or is it acting out an historical reenactment? I hope the former.

[@ChaoticHammer_]

I can understand this thinking a bit, it seems like a lot of the community want another faction, in particular Japan. So I tried to make something that to me looks viable without changing too much about Hell Let Loose. In terms of adding stuff like a fake semi-auto rifle….ehhhhh, if the UK doesn’t even get one the Japanese shouldn’t get one, that’s my take, with the areas that I provided, the lack of a semi-auto rifle isn’t as much of a hinderance. This game is a milsim type of game and is it perfect in terms of historical accuracy? no but it’s pretty good overall. But the point of the game is to be a realistic shooter. To me, I’d like it to stay that way, I’ve seen my fill of “fake or project” weapons being used (looking at you Warthunder and World of Tanks more specifically but there are other games this hurts as well.) at that point, adding fake weapons will turn this game into another “enlisted” type of game. If I wanted that…I’d just play “enlisted” lol. Just my two cents on that matter.

[@nate13012]

@@ChaoticHammer_ Good to know the HLL community doesn't stand for bad and non-historical content as seen from the past. Don't fall for his either-or fallacy, we love Hell Let Loose because its BOTH good and historical.

[@dye5915]

Team 17 can easily add the Japanese Faction into Hell Let Loose but the state it's gonna be in, is the real question and the answer is worse than bad. Team 17 lay in bed at night dreaming about the amount of utter trash they could put out and the bugs and glitches etc they they could unleash with the Pacific front. it will have they will screw it up everyone will complain for a while and everything will continue as it's always done

[@Marty6804]

Yep just like the game has been for years. Completely littered with bugs that will never be fixed. It’s sad.