How THE CYLONS Changed - LORE EVOLUTION

[@RowanJColeman]

Here's the Spacedock video I mentioned - kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYmao32ki7Jgp8k

[@DarthAwar]

You sir have gained me as a Subscriber!

[@The1RedRooster]

Oh hey, it's the guy who tries to put on a foggy accent! Just speak normally, dude. Goodness & if you tell me "it's my voice" then let's go out for a beer and we can see. You sound Mid-Lothian, good. :)

[@joeboxter3635]

@3:55 you must be dense. Isn't it obvious that like the Egyptian and Roman "gods" that serve as background motifs, Count Edliv is a reference to Satan. In the biblical narrative Satan is a fallen angel. He was turned into a reptile. He is at war with mankind. The leader is a reptile until he dies. He then returns in another form making war with man still, but now is also at odds with the angels. Alright, if that's not enough. Edliv is just dEvil ... (Ed flipped is De. And Liv flipped is Vil. And that makes DeVil) Lol. And Apollo even calls him the prince of darkness.

[@AstroNerdBoy]

I loved how Ron Moore's BSG managed to incorporate the OG BSG Cylon designs and have episodes where those original Cylons had to be fought.

[@DANRYX]

Absolutely. When Baltar said, "Last time we saw Cylons, they looked like walking chrome toasters!" And Caprica 6 replies, "Those models still have their purpose." I was excited and eager to see if they actually make an appearance and they did!

[@DaveMiller2]

The common soldier in Rome was not a centurion. A centurion was a commander of a century. 100 men (less in some eras but still called century).

[@aperson7552]

The reimagining of BSG is the only "reboot" I would generally call a success. Exception that proves the rule

[@chepulis]

Ocean's 11 - 12 - 13, Mission: Impossible, Nolan's Batman trilogy, Craig's Bond series, Scarface, Mad Max: Fury Road.

[@robwalsh9843]

I consider the Planet of the Apes reboot trilogy to be an excellent example of a reboot done right with equal parts respect for the source material and distinctive new ideas.

[@rsrt6910]

Because Ron Moore had some new and genuine ideas to explore and an interesting and compelling story to tell. Mix in some great writing, commanding actor performances, inspired music, along with brilliant directing and editing and that's what happens........ oh and the Pegasus. Can't talk about how great the reimagined BSG is without mentioning the Pegasus.

[@Malryth]

Agreed! The fact they got Richard Hatch to star in the series. A nice tip of the hat towards the original TV show and it's actors. I also loved how they incorporated the original TV them in that episode where you discover the D'Anna cylon posing as a news journalist. Ending with a nice whistling of that great song.

[@X-boomer]

@@chepulis nah

[@ScrapKing73]

This is a great lore overview. It's mostly missing the last episode of Galactica 1980, which is actually set in the continuity of the original series, and had Starbuck marooned on a planet with a cylon that Starbuck repairs because he's so lonely he'd rather talk to a cylon than no one. It strongly suggests several interesting things about the cylons (free will, ability to change/reform/generate personal attachments, etc.). That episode is canon too, and popular with fans, so it's highly relevant.

[@mainstreetsaint36]

About one of the only good episodes of that series.

[@kingscorpion7346]

the 1978 Galactica came out when I was in my early teens and was one of my favorites. as an adult, and living through some serious dramas of my own, the re-imagined Galactica was very appropriate for its time. I once got to meet Edward James Olmos and Mary McDonald at an airport, and I got the chance to gush to them about how much we loved their show.

[@ianmunkyg1026]

Yeah if I ever met em I don’t think I’d be able to contain myself lol 👍

[@benw9949]

Note: V had two miniseries or TV movies plus a brief TV series in the 1980's, and then a reboot TV series in the 2000's. It would be worth doing a Lore episode on this. There were also one or two (more?) novels for the 80's version. This was a big deal in the USA back then, a minor but influential success.

[@MrNunopaulogomes]

the evolution of the Cylons from robots to Tricia Helfer...is simply the best, the hottest, the most sublime evolution in the entire universe!!!!

[@vincentvoillot6365]

Gaius Baltar is the best character in BSG, more calculating and cold than a cylon but also more human than anybody in the fleet. Great performance from James Callis bringing to life someone you love to hate.

[@ericg7183]

Literally every time I have watched the series, I start off hating the dude. Such a slimy, self-obsessed SOB. And by the end, I still hate him, but love him all the same. They did a fantastic job with the 2004 series, and I hope they don't screw up the reboot, which in my opinion, wasn't needed. I would like to see a less campy reboot of Andromeda though. And I am hoping the rumors aren't true, that the Mouse is about to buy the Stargate franchise. The Mouse has done pretty well with the MCU, but aside from Rogue One and Mando, they've kinda dropped the ball with Star Wars.

[@vincentvoillot6365]

@@ericg7183 Andromeda was ok, some kind of buck roger in a proto-farscape universe. About the mouse taking over the Stargate. It will be fine, maybe even better. Disney have something MGM don't : Money. Marvel have Kevin Feige, Starwars have Kathleen Kennedy, The Mandalorian have David Filonni and Jon Favreau. Just keep Brad Wright and everything will be alright.

[@ericg7183]

@@vincentvoillot6365 Get rid of Kathleen Kennedy, and Lucasfilm will be a shitton better. And Andromeda was what Roddenberry first envisioned Star Trek to be, it was nothing like Buck Rogers, either the 1950s pulp stuff, or the 1970s reboot. I still don't want the Mouse to touch Stargate, period.

[@vincentvoillot6365]

@@ericg7183 I understand why you don't like Disney. But we must face the fact, with theaters close and no streaming plateform MGN loose money. They already sitting on a new Bond and they have to pay for it even if not release. Even without covid, nothing will happen if a network don't pitch in the production cost. And even if it happen, you never sure about the next season. MGM own a Stargate with a DHD but not enough naquadah to make it spin. If not Disney, an another Network with that kind of money (Amazon, Netflix or way worse Apple or CBS) or we will never have a new Stargate

[@robd1329]

The 70s Baltar was better!

[@barrybend7189]

5:17 so we have a Necron situation here.

[@TGill]

You will like the original V. Guaranteed.

[@AnthonyIlstonJones]

Seconded.

[@mahatmarandy5977]

The Unicorns are actually *IN* the episode "The Young Lords" novelization was based on. We get a brief shot of the girl riding one. There was also a scene involving unicorns in the original Saga of a Star World script, but I don't think it was ever shot. Starbuck is looking for Apollo and finds him on "The Livery Ship" (Evidently they brought some animals along with them for some reaons). In the script, there's a unicorn in a stall and when Starbuck comes closer, Apollo points to another one dead on the ground. He then grouses about how these are the only couple they brought, they mate for life, and the surviving one won't last long without his mate. "We'll jut have to get used to the idea that our children will grow up without knowing what a Unicorn is. Or a blahblah blah or a whoosis or a whatever, as he lists several other animals that presumably they weren't able to find examples of before they started running. It's a neat scene, but I totally get why they cut it. It would have been expensive, slowed the story, and didn't have any payoff later on.

[@DCMarvelMultiverse]

Yes, there is an audience for V the classic, the comics, and the 09 show as well.

[@ScrapKing73]

What about the V books?

[@injunsun]

They phoked us by ending the V reboot like they did. They literally ended it, killing off several main characters, rather than leaving it open for later iterations. They took something akin to Earth, Final Conflict, and just made it, Earth, About to be... how Anna ended her mother. P.S. The books on the original are amazingly well done. See, "Lady Fingers." How do you deal amicably with a species that literally is eating yours? How does that make you feel about treating other species as disposable commodities? I became lacto-ovo vegetarian, then Vegan, in part because the introspection involved was intense.

[@ScrapKing73]

@@injunsun That's awesome! I went vegan when I realized my relationship with meat was the same as the average German citizen's relationship with the holocaust... they wanted it to keep going, but didn't want to know all the gory details. I figured if I was so afraid to know the details, perhaps I had no business participating in the behaviour. Back to V, I thought they ended the V reboot in such a way as it could be easily continued, introducing a previously unknown resistance unit. But I agree with all your other comments.

[@Red_Oliver]

@@ScrapKing73 Dude, eating meat is nothing like the Holocaust, that's pretty ignorant.

[@injunsun]

@@Red_OliverTreating sentient creatures as commodities is unnecessary, and obviously cruel. There are numerous parallels, with which I won't bother you. If you want to look into it, please do. If not, we don't need you "instructing" us on our ignorance. We get quite enough of that, daily, literally a dozen times for every one time we make one mere mention of being Vegan, with randos picking up and reviving dead threads for weeks. Thanks, and have a nice day.

[@blackasp001]

Its interesting that the comic storyline about the cylon race being tricked into a machine race is somewhat similar the Necrons from Warhammer 40,000

[@TheOneWhoMightBe]

"...everyone's favourite red-eyed robots: the Cylons." *sad KITT noises*

[@Rocketsong]

Also by Glen Larson. ;-)

[@robwalsh9843]

"Hey!" -T-800 Terminators

[@YurkerYT]

Funnily enough kitt's scanner was inspired by cylons.

[@peterg76yt]

Plot twist: KITT *was* a Cylon.

[@Deevo037]

Even moreso when they put him into a 1957 Chev.

[@danielwilliamson6180]

I like the Cylons. I always loved the original Cylons. They had such a unique look and they reminded me of Roman Centurions.

[@JordonVirtue]

"That cover art tho" followed by "...and Rob Liefeld" absolutely checks out.

[@benw9949]

So glad you covered the BSG Classic novelization and backstory. There was a Battlestar Galactica Encyclopedia published during the show which may have had a little background as well. Unfortunately, my copy was ruined by storm damage. -- The Hasaris were mentioned in passing in the series, given a tiny bit more detail in the novelization, but then we never got anything more about them. The reboot bypassed the Hasaris entirely. They were an alien species, humanoid of some kind, and they were said to be covered in hair or fur. As far as I know, we never got to see one. This intrigued me on rewatch and reread. -- The BSG Classic and BSG Reboot (Ron Moore) were very different, yet the Reboot honored the original material, even while going in a very different direction. They were very up front with fans that it was a "re-imagining," a different take on the show, but they ultimately proved themselves a successful, strong, independent version. This is one of the best, maybe THE best example of a successful reboot, although Planet of the Apes and Lost In Space on Netflix have both done very well.

[@erchie01]

Excellent Rowan, well done, always comprehensively detailed and entertaining.

[@guaposneeze]

Earth Final Conflict is well worth looking into. By the end, it's a weird dumpster fire. But the number of times that show jumped a shark will make for an interesting Lore Evolution type video. There's a ton of really interesting and promising bits of early 90's cyberpunk that play out in whatever way kept the cast budget the smallest. Also from that era, Time Traxx. People seem to have thrown that show completely down the memory hole, but I think it's probably worth a revisit now that some of the futuristic tropes it predicted are past. For one even less loved than Time Traxx, but nice and short, and a bit more recent - Charlie Jade is an interesting South African / Candian sci fi that I don't think ever had wide distribution in the US. It only had one season, so easy to review for a video. A guy is jumping between three alternate universes, trying to unlock a megacorporation related mystery, meeting parallel versions of all the characters.

[@thegoofyshyguy4231]

*"By your command"*

[@richardjohnson9543]

Linfield just can't help drawing everyone to look like bulked up superheroes

[@misterangel8486]

V, the series is worth your time. I bet you are going to love it. Don't mind the A team style special effects, the underlying story is quite good and the occasional humour in it is, well timed. 😂

[@ger5565]

Ooh. There's a comic. I'll have to check that out. Oh, it's by Rob Liefeld. Never mind.

[@jorgezarco9269]

If you find Cylons attractive, you have "metal fever".

[@mainstreetsaint36]

Who would fall for a toaster?

[@sirkuchen1501]

@@mainstreetsaint36 tricia helfer? I mean, cone on

[@Rocketsong]

V is Iconic. I still see people in visitor outfits at conventions. It also got a reboot with associated changes to the lore, which makes it a good candidate.

[@adamfistler4655]

V the first mini series is iconic The second mini series is enjoyable and then TV series is typical 80s scifi camp even with it's own version of the Star Child. But Diana never gets tiring to look at.

[@fathermischief8025]

Great review. I loved the pace and delivery.

[@ifandbut]

+1 for Earth Final Conflict I'd also recommend Reboot.

[@akshaytrayner1960]

Great video explaining the cyclone between the original and reboot

[@heshangunarathna3262]

I consider nuBSG as canon..because bloody show is fu***** great

[@DCMarvelMultiverse]

I've had a fan theory since 2009. Since Kobol's Organic Cylons left to create the Original Earth and since Humanity and the Colonial Organic Cylons found a compatible species on Our Earth, then was Kobol's humanity and Our Earth's humanity just offshoots of even earlier Organic Cylons created in the past further back than the time of Kobol?

[@RowanJColeman]

You should watch my BSG reboot story idea video haha

[@howtonamethisstupidmailbox55]

I have a similar theory, that there Many planets called Earth and Kobol, and the circle of Cylons rebelling and destroying their creators repeated itself over and over again, not Only with humans, but some alien reptiloids as well, and the Old and new BSG are actually in the same continuity, where patterns of history are sometimes so similar, down to names of certain characters. According to that theory the reimagined BSG is a prequel to the original BSG.

[@leepreston9637]

It is dual evolution. It's supposed to be one of the things proving the existence of the Cylon's one true God.

[@Pantherblack]

A repeated line in the series was "all this has happened before." We're never given a clear idea of how many times before. So... maybe?

[@davepowder4020]

@@howtonamethisstupidmailbox55 BINGO!! I'd say that the reptiloids were a separate evolution, however, that happened to find either functional or old ruins of the Cylons that left at the end of BSG 2003 Season 4. They integrated them or imitated what they found, thus causing the classic Cylon look to show up in the Lorne Greene show. All this has happened before, but does it always happen again, in the same way? If you run a complex system often enough, the results may surprise you.

[@southsidetattoo]

Ralph McQuarrie had his hands in so many science fiction shows and movies it would be hard to find someone who didn't recognize his work. From the X wing to BSG Viper to Dart Vader to Buck Rogers. The reason BSG looked so familiar wasn't just the fact the film crew just did Star Wars a year before the tv show but because McQuarrie designs . Even Buck Rogers ship Terran Starfighter '' Thunderfighter ''was the original design for the Colonial Viper. The only ship that was ever truly hated was the redesigned Enterprise for Planet of the Titans and rightfully so. You can't change an iconic ship like the USS Enterprise ( My point USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-B) the space ''GUPPY '' It was hated by everyone.) The USS Discovery was inspired by Ralph McQuarrie five years after his death. I truly hope the next story for BSG stay true Ronald Moore's vision and not BSG 1980

[@frederickburke9944]

looks like a Frazetta cover at 4:37. Man, that guy did everything!

[@jasonblakespacepirated7093]

Outstanding Video! Thank you! 👍🏼👍🏼

[@breakingbadatron8874]

caprica is so close, I can smell it

[@RowanJColeman]

But when you finally get the Caprica video... what then?

[@jacquigreenland4768]

@@RowanJColeman blakes seven ?

[@breakingbadatron8874]

@@RowanJColeman After that my guess is that you will never hear from him again. The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist. And like that... he is gone.

[@louisbrantmeyer8786]

Then Seven Days

[@louisbrantmeyer8786]

From late 90s UPN

[@thomasmoeller3446]

Save yourself the headache. Earth: Final Conflict is a reimagined "V".

[@bruthamann5697]

That is true.... 🤔

[@gabrielarredondo3825]

This is probably gonna sound like sacrilege. But I actually prefer the original Cylon centurions to the rebooted series Cylon centurion. It's just me, but while the original Cylons look like robot Stormtroopers, they have an iconic look to them. And while I love the rebooted series (it's my favorite series of all time), their Cylons look like rip off Terminators. They're too bulky for my taste. Not to mention that the original Cylons are actually people in suits, while the rebooted Cylons are CGI, which is distracting since their budget isn't that big. The strengths in the rebooted series were the humanoid Cylons, specifically Number Six and Number Eight.

[@matg919]

I agree

[@thegreatbaolmagician3032]

it's not a sacrilege, i personally prefer the Cylones in the remake, but the original Cylons have something unique and i like that in the final episode of the remake they integrate in the plot and that we had a chance to see them. At the end it's a matter of taste

[@humzaibrahim2953]

the original centurions are shown in the reboot..... the original cylons are the ones that the 5 came into contact with..... the new centurions are developed also after the original centurions had a ceasefire

[@vocalist92]

I mean the reboot is good and all, but I'm old fashioned and like more campy and fun Sci-fi that is able to intertwine its themes with a generally light hearted if still serious tone rather than outright bleak. Most of the colonials in the reboot had pretty depressing lives even before the colonies were destroyed

[@DaveMiller2]

The original Cylons were better. Real people and effects are always better than CGI.

[@tedwojtasik8781]

Larson drew from many influences for BSG but mostly Greek / Roman / Islam and Mormonism. Iblis is Satan in Islam. Iblis was NOT an alien, he was supposed to be Satan and this was explained in one of the later episodes with the angelic beings that brought Apollo back to life after Iblis killed him. Adama was supposed to be a Brigham Young figure which is extremely obvious throughout the show.

[@rizon72]

I always preferred the lore that the Cylons were another race's creation and not man's.

[@izmark671]

V yes TY nicely done Rowan

[@louisalectube]

I watched the reimagined/reboot BSG series for a while, but it went off the rails when they kept making EVERY goddamn major character a cylon. It got so bad it actually ruined stories from the first episodes. Felt like the writers were hopped up on energy drinks and cocaine and desperate for wowie-zowie shock moments. Also, they made the cylons literally too human.

[@Rocketsong]

Ron Moor is a wonderful writer, but his strongest abilities are in mood, layering, and characterization. The writers had no idea where they wanted to end the series and had only vague ideas about where any given season was headed.

[@donovandelaney3171]

"Uncataloged War Cylon TNA detected. Cylon TNA acquired and locked!". "Uncataloged Cylon Raider DNA detected. Raider DNA acquired and available!" - Omnitrix.

[@michaellewis1545]

Uh I did not know the Cylons were aliens in the original series. I have only seen an episode or two and I thought they were robots leas by a Renegade human that want to conquer humanity. If they ever Reboot Battle Star Galactica. I hope they have the Galactica make it to us. By that I mean it is 2220 and humanity is in space and have faced or are facing an AI rebellion. In short Battle Star Galactica meets Space Above and Beyond.

[@RowanJColeman]

I'd watch that :)

[@seajaye9540]

That'd be a new twist and quite enjoyable. Like crossing the ending of the reimagined with the Galactica 1980!! Very! Very! Cool!

[@charleshamilton9274]

The Cylon helmet design was eerily prescient. Every 21st-century Lexus spindle grill bears this out...

[@maxwellschmidt235]

In terms of changes made for reboots, I think what was done to the cylons is about the best ever. Television got A LOT more sophisticated through the 90s and early 00s. If they'd maintained the original Cylon lore, it would have been way too corny for a 2004 audience. The brilliance is that they streamlined the origin while doubling (or more) the impact.

[@rizon72]

I find it the exact opposite. Making the Cylons a human creation was boring. Machines revolt against their human creators. Gee, like that was never done before, Terminator 3 had just recently come out in 2003. I think Moore lacked the ability to actually create a very different, foreign, Cylon race and culture that wasn't based upon humanity. It actually took away one of the most interesting parts of the original universe. He really could have gotten into why humanity was involved in a war against the Cylons when they didn't need to. So many things, and he went with the meh humans are the creators. Sorry, that was awful and boring and to me limited his ability in actually being creative.

[@maxwellschmidt235]

@@rizon72 to each their own, but why are we at war with aliens has been done enough as well. There were just more themes and moral gray to explore in the machines rebelling against their creator angle.

[@rizon72]

@@maxwellschmidt235 Sorry, but all of those same themes could be explored with keeping the lore as in the original. There was so much you could do with the Cylons being machines that had killed their creators.

[@mahatmarandy5977]

Sorry to be so chatty. In the original Galactica, it is made very clear that the Centurions consider themselves alive. They don't have the same self-preservation instinct that humans do, and they will always follow orders, but Lucifer informs Baltar that they don't want to throw their lives away for nothing, and have been grumbling about Baltar's wasteful strategy. Baltar is surprised by this, and says that they're just machines. Lucifer replies, "We are all machines of a kind, Baltar, even you." It's also very apparent that the IL series (such as Lucifer and Specter) are programmed to lie and cheat and be decieving. Imperious Leader is promoted from the IL ranks, and (evidently) the most decitful is the one who gets the job when an opening appears. This actually makes sense, as deceit is a highly flexible thought process, difficult to predict, and you'd want a leader who could consider all the options. When Lucifer has his first scene with Baltar on the base ship, he comments to a centurion, "Isn't he so delightfully devious? We have much to learn from him!" At this point the writers were toying with the idea that the series took place in earth's distant past, prior to the garden of eden in the Bible, so Lucifer was probably actually intended to be the entity that our legends of Satan are based on. The idea of Baltar giving the devil "Evil Lessons" has always cracked me up. The idea about the show taking place in the past, present, or future would change several times over the course of the series.

[@somthingbrutal]

i still have my copy of the novelisation of The Gun on Ice Planet Zero

[@mentalrobb5062]

My favorite episode

[@osgnuru]

Anyone that calls themself a Star Trek fan should watch Earth Final Conflict. It's the Gene Roddenberry story of when humans meet not nice aliens. In some ways, it reminds me of Stargate SG-1.

[@kittyhawk9707]

erm ..This was about BSG .. not Star Trek you idiot ..

[@Daimo83]

@@kittyhawk9707 Earth: Final Conflict was mentioned at the end, calm down captain snappy.

[@random007nadir]

The main problem I had with BSG reimagined was their reliance on Lost-style mystery box plots without every revealing satifying answers. A lot of the time it looked like the writers were putting things in that looked cool without knowing why or where they were going with it.

[@boobah5643]

That's because they were.

[@random007nadir]

@@boobah5643 :( I know. Well written (mostly), but not well planned.

[@miketalons1617]

Thats also why the show has lived on, through it's unanswered questions. A full "everything has a reason" show isn't really talked about too long because there no speculation. my humble opinion only.

[@RapidCityJM]

BSG is a funny franchise for me - I like the background and deep theoretical lore of the original series (the idea that these galactic level events are going on WHILE the show is focused on this group of humans) but I don't care to watch that many episodes. BUT the new series is flipped, I like to watch and rewatch episodes weekly and kind of gloss over the 'god/God' and angels stuff.

[@noahfenech3369]

Adama getting shot by Boomer and the whole Caine ark are moments I can never forget

[@Corbomite-ei1ty]

Didn’t realise that Andy Probert designed the original Cylons. He is a genius if only for designing THE most beautiful starship; the Enterprise (refit design) from Stat Trek The Motion Picture

[@craigb2279]

I didn't care for the reboot of BSG because of how drastically they changed the Cylons. While the series itself was very well done the cylons basically were just humans, the actual robots cylons of the past have a very minimal part. Why would a race of robots want to be more human like?

[@aljazslemc9569]

I'm not going to spoil it, but it gets explained in the last season with the final five🙂 i also think the robot cylons do have a part to play though the focus is on the human ones, mostly due to the approach to this galactica being completely different in approach and wanting to explore some relevant themes and pressing social issues

[@tyronehamilton588]

Thank you for that explanation! I love the TOS Cylons, and find the men in Centurion suits definately cooler than cgi versions. And although the reimagined Cylon story is definitely intricate and fascinating, I'm find more intriguing the pure evil of the genocidal TOS Cylons, killing off, enslaving or subjugating any biological beings they encounter. Equally fascinating is the idea that they were the creation of an alien race of beings that have become an unintentional theat of annihilation to every species in rest of the galaxy. Instead of being only the problem of the creator race as in the reimagined BSG, they are everyone's problem! Rather like the Borg, the Cylons are seeking their own concept of perfection as well, with great dramatic potential found in the individual nature and politically intrigue of the IL series. Also unlike the reimagined Cylons, the TOS Cylons know who they are and exactly what they are after. There is no ambiguity!

[@rizon72]

I find the armistice in the original to show that the TOS Cylons know what they want, and will do anything to achieve that goal. I always thought Moore had such a chance to create a very unique Cylon race and instead went with the old boring, machines created by man revolt tripe.

[@tyronehamilton588]

That you for your comments. Nice to hear from someone else who understands.

[@martincolvill5453]

Just a point of fact: not all of us do twatter. So, I'd love for you to do Earth Final Conflict and V.

[@southsidetattoo]

chrome may get you home, but Caprica ''6'' is a bad ass robot chick........

[@rsrt6910]

Yeah, but 8 is great because Sharron is caring.

[@chrysm6842]

Thanks !

[@proggyboi7115]

Cool! Now do CAPRICA.

[@RowanJColeman]

Next Sunday :)

[@Jules_Diplopia]

V is definitely worth a watch, and a video.

[@mrichar9]

BY YOUR COMMAND

[@SC-ec8xe]

V both the og mini-series and the later updated version are worth checking out. They aren't that long and can be binged in a weekend.

[@thomaskirkness-little5809]

I love the original series of BSG and the fancy reboot, but I just don't want to re-watch the fancy modern one. I can't work out why, maybe it's a bit too depressing. I'm glad it exists and I'm glad I watched it, but once is enough.

[@Lord_Shadowz]

The new BSG show is going to take place in the Reimagined BSG world! I saw it in an interview last week. It will be interesting to see what they do. They said they didn’t want to mess with the BSG story in anyway. There is enough lore to create something new. I’m wondering if another Battlestar survived lol?

[@robd1329]

They should have done a 1st cylon war series

[@dougm2174]

I have to agree with Hans, I think V would definitely be worth checking out if you haven't seen it. It was a well written show for its time. I hope you enjoy it.

[@cjtaylor1977]

Earth Final Conflict - Yes. Also Space Above & Beyond - If you want to see where some of teh things that clearly influenced the recent BSG you have to do it.

[@RowanJColeman]

Already did a video on Space Above and Beyond earlier this year :)

[@cjjenson8212]

It was completely the idea of the comic book writers, count Iblis is "the son of the morning" according to LDS teaching. All the incongruities that people speculate on, are as clear as a bell to LDS fans. This does make it hard to tie together a finished show when so much of the story is not understood by most. I still get a kick that people all over the world have made BSG so much more than it states out. (Glen is a 3rd cuz on my mum's side)

[@kencohagen4967]

I like the Chrome Toasters! It just look right!

[@bryanboatwright1671]

Cylons were greatly equipped with humor.

[@cosmickittie78]

i recently started re watching all of BSG (the remake not the original). And I am struck by how the themes of this show feel more relevant than ever. As our world divides in to 'them and us' camps, watching a sci fi show that openly explores the prejudices, fears and assumptions of what it means to be human - it's a pity more people aren't discovering this show for the first time now.

[@adamfistler4655]

The Cylons were made by man They evolved and they Have a Plan. I see the created by man part and see the evolution but I could never quite identify a coherent plan. It just seemed like 1. Destroy the 12 Colonies 2. ??? 3. Profit. I've watched the series and again but I still cant figure out what the hell the plan was.

[@Haplo699g]

I know this is probably an unpopular take but... I didn't like the BSG reboot. I loved the original and was thrilled when they announced the reboot. Then I watched it. I liked every single human character in the original, in the reboot maybe Adama, but that was about it. Half way through the first season I was ready for the Cylons to put paid to this sweaty, argumentative, unpleasant, miserable group of souls! LOL I liked the whole Cylons can look like humans now bit but the human characters were so unlikeable (at least to me) I was rooting for the Cylons. I know someone is probably going to say "Well that's the point!" but it wasn't what I wanted from a BSG reboot. I will say this is all personal opinion and if you loved it more power to you but for me... I'd rather watch Richard Hatch and Dirk Benedict blast Cylons in recycled footage any day.

[@Red_Lanterns_Rage]

I always liked the chrome Cylons and the vocoder voice.....but the modern version is also pretty cool as well I'm glad BSG had a second shot and nailed it, they totally got Glen Larsen's intent and expanded on it in big ways, who saw the final 5 playing out like that?? genius storytelling..... 😈

[@russellhowson9565]

Earth Final Conflict is one of my favorites.

[@doom7ish]

By Your Command!

[@HeroJournalism]

No comments on the Cylon design change in the post millennium shows? As much as I love new BG, those clunky '78 designs were BOSS, and way cooler than the fancy shmancy CGI updates

[@factualopinion4275]

Love this video! I have to say, the reboot is a third favorite show of all time but I never liked the new cylon design. (The tall robot) However I did love their version of the second generation design (the ones resembling the original)

[@RedSiegfried]

"What's with the unicorn?" It's actually in the TV episode, "The Young Lords," and the female guest star rides on it just like that. So it's a pretty accurate picture!

[@mahatmarandy5977]

In "The Gun on Ice Planet Zero," we're told that Commander Croft and his team are on the prison barge because they attacked a Cylon mine with no orders, stole whatever valuable stuff was in it, sold that for their own profit (Or were trying to before they were caught) and - most notably - that it was a CIVILIAN Cylon mine, at which point Starbuck and Boomer express some surprise that someone would do something like that. So clearly there were Cylon civilians, and they were off-limits as noncombatants. Croft's actions were considered a war crime. The ones that show up in part 2 of "The Living Legend" are not stated to be civilian Cylons on screen, but they're refered to as such in the script. Worth noting, also, that the Cylons are never called "Reptillian" in the series. All that is said is that they originally came from another galaxy entirely, that they were non-humanoid, but that they thought humans were surprisingly functionally designed, so they copied our form in making the Centurions. This is expressly stated by Apollo to Boxey in the Landram on Carrilon in "Saga of a Star World." He also mentions that the original, real, organic Cylons went extinct, but it appears no one knows why. There is no implication that they turned on their masters, and the feeling I got from it as a kid was that it was a "There will come soft rains" kind of thing, where the Organic Cylons killed themselves off in some way, or maybe from a plague, or whatever, and the mechanical Cylons just kept going on about their duties until something came along to upset them. That's just my feeling back when I was 10, it's not based on anything. It was 2/3rds of the way through the series when they rectonned the Cylon/Iblis connection, and this was not in their minds when they wrote the first few episodes. Basically they were getting tired of using Cylons every week, and wanted to introduce some new, cheaper villains, but they also wanted to give us a reason to care, hence the connection to the Cylons themselves. It was freakin' brilliant, of course, but the whole "War of the Gods" storyline was pretty unpopular, and I have my doubts as to whether or not they'd ever have revisited it. In the synopsis for season 2, there's no mention of the Seraphs (The ship-of-lights folk) at all.

[@Mikyll1969]

V was a really cool series/miniseries ... I'd love to see you do that one

[@howtonamethisstupidmailbox55]

I know you hate Galactica 1980, but I think it should be mentioned that that was the series where human looking Cylons first appeared, and also in the episode Return of Starbuck there Is the character of Cy, a Cylon befriending a human, the first attempt to make Cylons more complex and not purely evil. Cy also tells a lot about Cylon philosophy. Also, Caprica reveals a lot about the origin of the new generation of Cylons, their beliefs and psychology, and basically what lead them to rebel against humanity. If you still haven't watched Caprica, I think you should have before making this video.

[@oafpolitics179]

V the miniseries is something I highly recommend. It was a phenomenon when it first aired. The second mini series was OK. The subsequent TV series was poor. The remakes, well I think I gave up after a couple of episodes. Just watch the first two miniseries. I absolutely LOVE the OP to the original BSG. It is amazing. (That and the Buck Rogers one of course, and um, Battle of the Planets).

[@RowanJColeman]

I've seen the first V miniseries and quite enjoyed it.

[@mastweiler22]

With or without 1Rover1...? Sadly (maybe...) I've never seen it without.

[@oafpolitics179]

@@mastweiler22 The gatchaman theme is completely different to BotP. The OP is by far the bast thing about BotP (though I DID watch it religiously when it was first aired) I tried to rewatch BotP - it is terrible - the hack-job done in order to satisfy the hysterics of the time, and to shoehorn in the 'space wars' narrative make it largely incomprehensible. Better to watch Gatchaman.

[@raymondleethornton5495]

Take a look at First Wave. Great concept

[@VCYT]

Tricia Helfer gave this video SIX likes.

[@jasper265]

Earth Final Conflict is not a good show and I highly doubt that you'll find the time watching it worthwhile. However, the way they portrayed the gradual integration of alien technology into human society is pretty awesome and there's a lot to talk about when it comes to the continuous changes in cast and lore.

[@BojanglezDelite]

lovely stuff.

[@jeffburnham6611]

The original BSG did not allude to any ancient Earth being connected to the Cylons. They did make a reference that humankind may have been a part of the 13th tribe of Kobol, but those were not Cylon, they were human. It wasn't until the re-boot under a different creator that the far-fetched idea that Cylons could look human and be clones of each other was created. The series also omitted certain characters, completely omitted certain events.

[@Spacefrisian]

What about a lore video on the Nietzcheans from Andromeda, the Goa'Uld from Stargate or the Peacekeepers from Farscape....or Zeon from Gundam.

[@RowanJColeman]

Already did the Goa'uld kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zp_XiIp-fLl5pM0

[@DannyKing]

Love your videos - please consider getting a pop filter for your microphone! :)

[@dpcnreactions7062]

I like the old classic Cylons as I don't like the CGI VERSIONS from the newer show!

[@clearmountain28]

Please do a lore evolution for the Cromags on Sliders. Also a "Was it good" for Sliders and 7 days would be fun

[@SuperVstech]

It’s cute how many actors on the bsg reboot were in stargate sg1 first...

[@shireknight01]

Iv'e never seen Earth Final Conflict but V is an absolute must, even if you only watch just the two miniseries (shown as one in the UK) and not the follow on TV series (which only lasted for one series)

[@donovandelaney3171]

We know that Caprica Six was able to teleport out of the Galactica. She used a Cylon base ship to do it.

[@johnmiller7682]

Earth Final Conflict was a great show,

[@TK_Brainslug]

coud never get into the new BSG the space battles gave me migraine, but never the less another great video from you. But I loved the old show as a kid

[@numbersletters3886]

Would be cool if the next BSG is a Mercury with a small fleet of Valkyries and Cruisers.

[@RPGmodsFan]

Battlestar Galactica is an exception to the Rule. It is one of the few Reboots that was successful. The majority of other Reboots have Crashed-And-Burned. Is Hollywood ever going to learn?

[@shaunhall960]

By your command.

[@ryougahibiki941]

If you grew up watching original BSG, how did V pass you by?

[@RowanJColeman]

Well to clarify, I'm only 25 years old haha. I grew up watching BSG off recorded video tapes, not as it came out. I only heard of V much later.

[@ryougahibiki941]

@@RowanJColeman You sound so much older, both in voice and wisdom :)

[@darthphayde508]

Enjoy both versions of BSG. V scared the shit out of me as a kid in the 80s. I enjoyed the V remake, was disappointed when they canceled it. Earth: Final Conflict was pretty good as well, at least the first few seasons.

[@MKRex]

V is Brilliant!