How the Empire Cracked Down on the Separatists

[@scottwerner279]

Imagine being an admiral in the CIS, everything is going stable, you’re defending your homeworld from the republic and then bam. Half of your forces go offline at the same time

[@Not-Ap]

That actually did happen to a few of them. Their was answer was to turn tail and run with the few organic forces they had at their command. The other strategy was to circumvent the shut down and reactivate droid forces in their sectors. Either way, without the economic and industrial might of the full CIS, pretty much all were relegated to being petty crime lord's or pirates.

[@andreykuzmin4317]

IMHO, Fall of the Republic team should add Reconquest of the Rim campaign. With Separatists on their last legs, Empire having more and more Empire-y ships and vehicles and CIS Holdouts having access to organic troops, pirate and independents-associated ships, that they encouraged to build, as access to Dreadnought shipyards becomes almost non-existent.

[@berkeihlamur4160]

I guess, in my honest opinion.

[@empirednw6624]

The last of the holdouts were lead by separatist senator toonbuck Tora. Her forces were routed by forces under the command of future rebel leader general dadonna.

[@lukalackovic9059]

This could be an early Imperial Reign campaign

[@jackryan9192]

That periods deserves its own mod in an ideal world.

[@richardmoser7062]

😮😢

[@darthironhand4353]

The banking clan being too big to fail, even after everything they did, is hilarious

[@user-kv5lq9xm8c]

An allegory to the irl banking clan

[@imperialbricks1977]

@@user-kv5lq9xm8c Hey now, that’s anti-Semitic

[@lilacocto9103]

Well, tell me this. If you were a part of an organization that maintained the financial strength of a universally accepted currency. Would you think that it'd be a good idea for the new government to crack down on your operation and dissolve it? It would cause galaxy wide panic, the credits everybody used would basically lose value overnight. Causing everything to go into financial depression.

[@darthironhand4353]

@@lilacocto9103 this was very much a comment not intended as a serious, in universe commentary. Deregulated banks caused an international financial crisis and were deemed too big to fail, and so received bailouts. Similar logic is used to preserve the banking clan after funding a massive civil war. I found this parallel amusing.

[@Ashguy733]

The Post Episode III era regarding the CIS corporations/holdouts is something I always wish we got more about in terms of books in Legends, I hope the new Reign of The Empire Trilogy goes into some detail regarding this as well. Glad to see you are liking the first book!

[@HalfLifeExpert1]

The CIS were not evil, but they were tragically manipulated by an evil pupptmaster for their own ends. They were to be sacrificed from the beginning and they didn't realize it until it was too late

[@oldworldpatriot8920]

Their true evil was greed. CIS or rather their mega corporate overlords had only one thing in mind when the clone wars started; maintaining the bottom line. The Trade Federation is based on the East India Company of the 1700s,using its vast wealth and resource holdings to raise a powerful army to coerce the nations it had interests in into submission. Just swap out tropical nations for planetary systems and rifle bearing mercenaries for droids and you have the Trade Federation. There were legitimate concerns of the trade federation’s controlled systems for how the Republic treated them,but they used those legitimate concerns of the the inhabitants as a pretext to take on the republicans enrich the top class of the Banking Clan and other CIS conglomerates. They were grifters in a sense,hijacking a populist movement to benefit themselves. And in pursuit of that goal they were susceptible to the grift of the Sith Lord,who were using the TF just as the TG were using the plight of their own populations.

[@DigitalApex]

They eventually became objectively evil. Look at Dooku, a sadist, or Grievous, a warmonger that would repeatedly commit war crimes. Even CIS forces en masse would attack Republic medical stations or use biological weapons, which are arguably just cruel despite effectiveness.

[@ironinquisitor3656]

The Separatist Holdouts are always interesting.

[@TheTb2364]

It's funny how Intergalactic Banking Clan makes no sense and Transgalactic would work better, but then they most likely wouldn't be allowed to join CIS due to ideological differences.

[@kyrogamingvt9716]

This took me a second lol. What does this make the republic then, Allies?

[@yuvansingh5073]

They exist in other galaxies as well, the name fits

[@frozenchikin6321]

Another banger thumbnail

[@WhatOtters]

Awesome videos lately, doing a great job of making fresh and unique content

[@OziumG]

How awkward was it for the Mon Calamarians to apologize to the Quarren when the Republic flipped to the Empire?

[@reneelawton1032]

Very interesting as always. I love how you keep asking for folks to subscribe. I did subscribed in 2019. Great analysis channel!

[@AshleyDarling_]

you're killing it with these thumbnails lmfao

[@orboakin8074]

Man! Star Wars EU books and lore are just so incredible 😊 Even though i have been a Star Wars fan dince my childhood in Nigeria, i am just getting into the EU and the world building, characterization, lore and stories are just immensely entertaining. I may be disappointed with disney star wars but i will get more than enough entertainment from Star Wars EU.

[@lsthero5863]

Fun fact: on the stellaris mod, enarc is the capital of the separatist holdouts

[@Khatep-the-Ancient]

Not detailed in lore for obvious reasons, it would be interesting how former Separatists organize themselves in the post Empire period. Without the repressive arms of the state looking over their shoulders it seems probably to me that there would be a sort of Separatist renaissance post Endor. I doubt this would actually lead to any formal political parties (though I suppose it absolutely could or at least be influence in any outer rim party that existed) but at the very least veteran organizations, advocacy groups. cultural clubs all with a separatist bend interesting in rehabilitating the image of the CIS. On former separatist worlds you would probably see statues to Separatist leaders like Count Dooku and General Grievous (to the abject horror of anyone who was a victim of Operation Durge's Lance). The Clone Wars was only 23 before the end of the Empire and and former separatists and separatist sympathizers did just disappear.

[@heavyarms55]

This is very much one of the topics that suffers from the order in which the films were made.

[@matthew____879]

One thing that often gets looked over is the Tion Hegemony, which Palpatine left as independent as a sort of humiliation for the region and Raxus Prime in particular being the birthplace of the separatist cause.

[@DrMutran]

We got to see a bit of how former Separatists felt about the New Republic in the Mandalorians. I would like to see more former Separatists perspectives on the new guys in charge.

[@WyattDucar]

I hope that we get to see or hear some of that in the new reign of the empire trilogy especially hopefully get to see a recanonized of the reconquest of the rim. Maybe reference to the Tarkin novel mainly the antar Atrocity, as well as some references from the legends novel labyrinth of evil!

[@josiahshangrila7322]

How can you mention the EaW Techno Union presence but not San Hill (human)? It's outrageous! Unfair!

[@CoreysDatapad]

We already knew the Banking Clan was around. San Hill (human) doesn't deserve our time here.

[@TheStrudelJonny]

Honestly if the remaining separatists aligned together with the rebels maybe the war would’ve been easier

[@damianoby8540]

Everyone brushes off Darth Plaguies "the wise"

[@1337snake888]

5:04 honestly there's quite a few things in EAW that don't really line up with legends canon tho

[@CoreysDatapad]

That's true of any individual source

[@marckrieger3277]

High Praise comming from you, now i have to read it. I didn't read any canon book after i disliked the first new thrawn book but now i give it another try.

[@john-db9qc]

Another cis video, another banger thumbnail. Thankyou

[@knutlindenhoff697]

Great video agiang Corey have you done a review this book The History and Politics of Star Wars

[@kaisertog7685]

can you do more videos on the CIS please

[@59rlmccormack]

I like the Banking Clan the most. -JMM

[@suplex3067]

I see the audio book for reign of the empire is coming out, I don’t know why they didn’t use Johnathan Davis, I looked up and listened to the lady they have for the book, not sure what kind of pick that was kind of disappointing

[@leslietarkin]

Interesting video. Just subbed. For those interested, Reign of the Empire by Freed will be released 2/25/25. It's book one in a new trilogy that talks about the Imperial era, in the period b/t the end of the Clone War & the Rebellion's rise, through the eyes of Mon Mothma, Bail Organa, & Saw Gerrera.

[@wedgeantillies66]

So basically unless you are the banking clan and you were one of the major CIS backing guilds or trade organisations upon birth if the empire. You either get nationalised, assets seized by empire and subjugated if you try to resist said takeover,

[@armorbearer9702]

Moral of the story, be like the banking clan. Credits make the galaxy go round.

[@1Loftwing1]

For the empire

[@Sargassian]

i like the one from the Techno Union Army the most :O

[@brooke89776]

darth vader drove the down with cis bus

[@GreenNinj4]

Bad Batch wasted so much potential

[@Nephalem2002]

It’s kind of hard for me to feel bad for much of the CIS due to the Mega Corps running the whole thing.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

A necessary actionable evil. That way, the Rebel Alliance and the later New Republic wouldn't be too full of unneeded burdens, even when folk like Borsk Fey'lya still showed up. Meantime, we may need more sympathetic Neimoidians someday. May be cool to have a female Jedi who's admittedly very shy and gets picked on a bunch (even if most of that are just innocently insensitive jests), and yet is surprisingly good at combat, mediation, and healing, even if it looks like she's liquid luck personified. Not interested in Reign of the Empire. It's not Legends, after all.

[@daguroswaldson257]

Establishing a central bank is 90% of impwrializing a star system. - Emperor Palpatine

[@_Dovar_]

At least there is no "juice" in "Star Wars"...

[@silly_kitty170]

​@@_Dovar_Buddy, Star Wars is and always has been about vermin like you being defeated

[@neofulcrum5013]

Yeah the CIS got done dirty

[@rizzoforgo865]

Yeah they died in a farce, especially Nute Gunray, pitifully begging Darth Vader for peace in a war he started, and San Hill, who still showed up to get killed despite being booted out of the Banking Clan. And the Geonosians, who got enslaved by Palps, then genocided like an average Helldiver campaign on a Terminid world. Though, to be fair, they had no survival instincts. After all, Count Dooku is killed by Anakin/Vader and on Palps' command, Grievous got killed by Obi Wan, and despite their desperate situation and being at a tactical and strategic disadvantage between Attack of the Clones, the Clone Wars and Revenge of the Sith after taking so much Ls and they be like "Oh, Darth Sidious is telling us to wait for Lord Vader to discuss the end of the war despite us taking our lumps and him having the very same chin as Chancellor-for-the-Clone-Wars Palpatine. Let's not listen to him to go to Mustafar and take the CIS underground and set up extra security, tuck our heads between our legs and hide."

[@empirednw6624]

That was by design. They were always intended to lose.

[@bigclown-fy9ov]

aren't the rebels basically all separatist's

[@KaterWhite-hu3qu]

FOR THE CIS

[@DarthVages]

👍

[@redlox2]

Yeah well I guess the losers will always end up with the short end of the stick. Although Ezra in rebels described it best. Palpatine used both sides of the war to get his empire and then take over the entire galaxy so the seperatists cause was doomed from the beginning.

[@doujinloverXD]

First also very interesting

[@jsizemo]

Why didn’t the CIS start constructing their own death star early on?

[@empirednw6624]

Because the cis was designed to lose the war. There is a reason why they were portrayed as incompetent because they were that by design. Palpatine always intended to use the republic and have it turned into the empire. There never was a cis victory scenario.

[@enisra_bowman]

besides the point that they never ment to win the war: It also took the Empire an additional 20 years to build one because they had to research additional things for the superlaser and that in a calm periode with unlimited resources, building the actual thing don't take that long, see the second Deathstar that go build in >3 Years and was bigger. Basicly like with the Rocket Programs, that where around in concepts but it took addional 10-20 years to build one that send something to space and stay there

[@DigitalApex]

Like people said above, the CIS weren't going to win. But the Death Star plans were also a largely guarded secret. Nobody knew about it besides the Emperor, Dooku, and the people that designed it, which I'm sure the Emperor took care of after Order 66. Nobody that has a living memory of the Clone Wars in Episode 4-6 even knows about it, aside from Vader, Tarkin, the Emperor, and a handful of the active Empire immediately post-sequels.

[@daguroswaldson257]

The republic and separatists are reminding me of democrats and Republicans today and I fear that we may go the same way as the Galactic Republic in Star Wars. It was also loosely based on the Roman Republic with how Julius Caesar was given emergency powers and then wouldn't let go of them. The separatists are a lot like the democrats, wanting massive change or so they claim, but are backed by the major corporations, but there were separatists who were true to their values like Mon Mothma, I think that was her name, who wanted peace with the Republic, as there are a few democrats who are true to their values and still have good morals. The Republicans are a lot like the neo-cons who wanted constant war. Whilst the Paleoconservatives and libertarians like Pat Buchanan and Rand Paul are a lot like Bail Organa and Padme.

[@JapanCloneTrooper]

I’m not sure about comparing American parties to Star Wars Factions. If such a comparison were made, wouldn’t the Republicans be more like the Separatists since they want to deregulate everything, stop paying taxes to the central government, are backed by corporations, and want a smaller government? Of course there would be differences like how divided the Separatists truly are when you get past the shared hatred of the Republic. Some planets prefer dictatorships, others want democracies, some hate the corporations that back them, and others are in their pocket. I suppose that would make the Democrats more like the Republic, trusting in the system and coming from more urban settings while Republicans are usually from more rural regions. Of course we wouldn’t be able to add culture war comparisons or else the Separatists would become too unlikable for being anti-LGBT and other stuff like that, which if you think about it would be a strange trait for the CIS to have given how diverse it’s species membership is. Another way to describe the political comparisons would be to take a look at the American Civil War. The Republic clearly represent the North and Republicans in that era as the central government trying to reunite the nation while the Separatists are the South and Democrats of that era fighting for their independence and a more decentralized government, minus the motivation of maintaining slavery. And no, the Zygerrians don’t mean the CIS stood for slavery. That instead point to the issue how without the war, the CIS would no doubt fracture due to its members being all over the political spectrum, assuming the corporations on the Separatist Council don’t use the military they made and control to keep everyone in line and steer the economy their way.

[@warlordofbritannia]

@@JapanCloneTrooper “The Clone Wars were for systems’ rights!”

[@JapanCloneTrooper]

@ Systems rights to do what? A lot of federal laws that protected worker rights were tossed out in the CIS leaving it up to individual planets. For better or for worse, the answers the Separatists would give vary far more than the Confederacy would say. Hence the danger of disunity without the Republic as an enemy. The corporations would want to have no restrictions, their victims would want them restrained, tyrants will act without fear of the Jedi stopping them, democracies will no longer pay taxes in exchange for vague possibility of protection from pirates and so on. What the Confederacy wanted out of the Civil War was the continuation of the evil of slavery, but in a grim way that might mean the CSA wouldn’t be at as much risk of falling apart after its war unlike the CIS.

[@40kbrit47]

Dude go outside and touch some grass ffs.

[@simonbehrendt-n4w]

They are both banking clan lol

[@smurxxx0910]

Qanon