How the immune system works and why it seems to allow cancer to proliferate

[@lindencalloway5]

The concept of health in "The 23 Former Doctor Truths" book completely explains this. I wish I read it sooner

[@civilgoody]

Summary 😇 - The immune system works by detecting proteins or molecules that are not part of the normal self of the body, with lymphocytes (B cells and T cells) recognizing and responding to foreign antigens. 02:06. - An antigen is a molecule that is not normally expressed in the body by tissues, typically proteins or carbohydrates, and is recognized by T-lymphocytes or B lymphocytes. 02:42. - Cancer cells have acquired mutations that produce proteins or molecules that can be recognized by the immune system, but the immune reaction is often too small or not vigorous enough to overcome the growth of the tumor. 06:37. - Tumor cells can develop properties that suppress the local immune reaction, such as producing molecules like transforming growth factor beta (TGF beta) or cytokines like interleukin 10. 07:12. - The balance between aggressive immune reactions and inhibitory molecules is crucial, and treatments like checkpoint modulators (e.g., aaluma or PD1 inhibitors) aim to stimulate the immune reaction by inhibiting these inhibitory factors. 08:37.

[@MattUFL]

This is tricky if you haven’t had an immunology class, but he is essentially saying that although the immune system recognizes cancerous cells, it is not effective at removing those cells, because: (1) the rapid growth of tumors is too much for the immune system to fight; and (2) the tumors release factors that inhibit/suppress the immune system. The latter is likely the more critical. I say that because, as an analogy, the immune system can attack entire transplanted organs, but those transplanted organs survive if the patient receives immunosuppressive therapy.

[@MitigateOurRuin]

That's a great analogy.

[@btudrus]

"the rapid growth of tumors is too much for the immune system to fight" This is how eating sugar (fructose/sucrose) causes cancer because it activates the Warburg effect and allows it to outgrew what the immune system is capable of dealing with. Also eating sugar makes the immune system less effective...

[@thinktwice888-p4d]

@@btudrusI’m eating sugary cheesecake at the moment - I hope I don’t get cancer… 😅

[@mikaelajasonnn3]

Incredible insights! It reminds me of what I learned in Health and Beauty Mastery by Dr. Julian Bannett. That book reveals hidden truths about the industry that completely reshaped how I think about health and wellness.

[@meditim2032]

i heard about that book before i might buy it now

[@kaylacurtis111]

yes

[@robertsmyk4102]

Obviously this answer is incomplete because cancer is less likely in a youngster, it doesn't account for aging where more older people develop tumors compared to youths. It is more likely that cancer arises because the immune system becomes tired and less vigorous than when youthful and it seems that the solution is to invigorate the immune system as we get older to avoid cancer growth.

[@thiagobartolo]

Mutations leading to cancer are more likely to manifest as age increases, chromosomes telomeres become degraded and cell reproduction becomes increasingly imperfect

[@LTPottenger]

it's mainly mitochondrial in origin

[@btudrus]

Cancer is NOT caused by RANDOM somatic mutations. Cancer is a response to evolutionary pressure (e.g. toxic environment)!

[@danielfiori]

you should interview Steve Rosenberg again

[@whatthefunction9140]

Cancer is not a random mutation it's a metabolic and genetic metamorphosis.

[@MitigateOurRuin]

All three and a litany of other paths to cancer exist. Some cause others. For example, metabolic issues generating large amounts of free radicals can lead to random mutations that inevitably develop into cancer. Or random mutations cause the buildup of some problematic thing going in the opposite direction. Cancer is very complex.

[@btudrus]

almost correct

[@whatthefunction9140]

@btudrus enlighten me

[@btudrus]

@@whatthefunction9140 1) cancer is a response to growth signals, i.e. dietary sugar (fructose/sucrose) 2) cancer is a response to evolutionary pressure, such as a toxic environment. (Cells "trying" to survive develop into cancerous cells)

[@whatthefunction9140]

@btudrus yeah I thinknwe are on the same wavelength. It's anything but random

[@Easy_Living1]

swoosh, right over my head. 😂 But, thank you! Happy Thanksgiving 2024. 🦃

[@officespaceredstapler2287]

Cancer does get "squashed out" by the immune system. All of us have some level of cancer cells in us at all times that a healthy immune system deals with. Runaway cancer results from a broken immune/gut bacteria system. Cancer is not unlike AIDS (broken immune system) and most who succumb to the consequences of AIDS die of cancer. The focus should be on the immune system and not the cancer cell for long term survival. This also requires diet/lifestyle changes as part of the solution.

[@angelarose1738]

Fascinating...

[@officespaceredstapler2287]

Yes - fascinating ignorance.............

[@tkorte101]

What about doing a periodic course of Iver mectin to clean up any damaged cells and prevent cancer from developing.

[@whatthefunction9140]

Seems like metabolites in our blood from food would be triggering the immune system all the time.

[@btudrus]

Yes, eating plants is making you sick!

[@nhtathinfbntb2746]

Ok so when is a cure or a better treatment than chemo coming?

[@btudrus]

The carnivore diet is already there...

[@officespaceredstapler2287]

@@btudrus which over stimulates IGF-1 and the mtor pathway and will accelerate cancer formation.

[@LynnFishmanNurse]

Doubtful anytime soon when talking conventional therapy.

[@robynhope219]

The thing i wanna know is WHY children get cancer.

[@Karl88-cb6dk]

Sounds obvious but it's exposure to carcinogens, either from diet or the environment, including what the mother is exposed to whilst pregnant. Impossible to pin point exactly what caused the cancer but it will be one or a combination of those factors.

[@robynhope219]

@Karl88-cb6dk not obvious, since cancer is a disease of aging.

[@DavidJonesImages]

In plane English please

[@WILLSIMM7]

✈️ English or plain English?