How The U.S. Failed To Meet the China Challenge

[@PhilipWong55]

Anywhere in the world, if there is a border dispute, it is usually the result of a line drawn by an Englishman; if it is an internal dispute, it is usually the US fueling it. Difference in implementation of divide and conquer strategy.

[@samsungtap4183]

Like the China-India border....the British thought the could steal some land...who knows. Who cares....100yrs later ?

[@robertgittings8662]

*Asians will not kill Asians, their "get Asians to destroy each other and along with the Asian Century, and derail China's development will fail*

[@davidlim5]

English style...

[@seowkhoontan9534]

Agreed.

[@doritoarmy1026]

Didn’t know the UK made the Chinese borders.

[@Loke-h3w]

What do you exactly mean when you say make china a more responsible country ? Are you saying responsible means subservient to the US and the West. Keep to the status quo of the US and the West at the top of the pyramid?

[@yliang1688]

🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩You just said exactly what is in my mind .....

[@sarahdang9491]

Responsible country = Servants/slaves to the Western Anglo-Saxon World

[@TacticalMayo]

I mean that or Armageddon 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@pisablavatsky-cb3dd]

​@@TacticalMayoAs if nezi west won't get the Armageddon too😂😂😂

[@ZgO_o]

Why not pivot to U.S and mind your own bussiness

[@TacticalMayo]

Nope not a chance.

[@Zerpentsa6598]

China didn't challenge anyone. The US sees everyone doing better than it as a threat or challenge.

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

Yeah you're right, America is the only country on earth that thinks about geopolitics and power. It's just us. Everyone else is out to have happy go lucky fun party times and sing Kumbaya. You can tell that by how peaceful and calm the world was before America came to power in 1945. How in THE WORLD did this comment get 6+ upvotes?

[@chriswong9158]

@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat America aka USA has NOT stop fighting a war world wide since 1945. Name a decade, USA was not in a major war with some one or others.... direct or proxy. Since 1979, When was the last time China PRC went on a major war.... China secret: Goldmans Sachs of New York 2001... idea letter of: BRIC

[@sword7872]

Yes when the US wants something they just look around for those that have it and they will go and plunder it from them. It used to be subtly done and couched in fancy terms like territories, colour change, freedom, democracy etc. But with the recent plunder of Russia's reserves, they are more brazen. Looking at the US pile of debt, its always been I want what I want and I want it now.

[@Zerpentsa6598]

@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat Is this your comment about my comment? If so, where did I mention "geopolitics and power". You are a typical Yankee, conjuring up non sequiturs and fictitious statements attributed to others. BTW since you brought it up, Kumbaya is indeed a US invention which was known to have been sung in the Gullah culture of the islands off South Carolina and Georgia, with ties to enslaved Central Africans. I think I'm right in saying that the US is the only nation which used slavery on an industrial scale in recent times to enrich itself. And, forced or slave labour of prisoners is still legally allowed by the 13th Amendment of the US Constitution in the US.

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

​@@Zerpentsa6598 Your entire comment is about geopolitics and power, kiddo.

[@TSNG99]

Asia do not like war and do not appreciate bullying. Am has done enough destruction in Asia. Do not think Asia is weak and scared. Stop your nonsense.

[@TacticalMayo]

You will just witness 72 subs go underwater 30 ft down and in 20 minutes 20 times over. 👋🏻☢️ BYE-BYE

[@robertgittings8662]

*"Western order" are they trying to preserve their colonial mentalitis*

[@TacticalMayo]

The world only has two choices.

[@TomSimba]

A bigger defense budget! America's defense budget is drifting closer to being the equivalent of the world combined. These experts are insane.

[@setiaradiator2304]

These so called experts are enriching themselves and cronies.🤣🤣🤣

[@TacticalMayo]

When this thing happens with China because it is going to happen you're going to see some of our 🇺🇲 toys 👽🛸

[@zhinan888]

They are the Military Industrial Complex

[@採菊绚麗]

The has a War Dept. , not Defence. It manages an attack budget, not a defence budget.

[@samsungtap4183]

80yr the US mantra has been "free trade" now it's tarrifs and sanctions...what happened ?

[@franzMong]

Over capacity of FORD, GM, Chevrolet, Buick is OK, but over capacity of BYD"S EV is NOT OK ?????🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃

[@enzoh7763]

The rule change because with free trade ,, they are winning , Since the US is losing now , Change the rules .

[@Lululemon2023]

@@franzMongnot a single Chinese car in the US yet America deemed China has an over capacity problem which needs to be corrected

[@robertgittings8662]

*🤭 they started to "losing"*

[@sarahdang9491]

Goodbye to 'free trade', here come the sanctions and wars. Chinaphobia!

[@kubaebo6930]

Very sad ,the way some Americans think. The hubris is pathetic and unfortunate.

[@seowkhoontan9534]

It's more like the way most American think.

[@TacticalMayo]

Well it's pathetic for you not for us.

[@TacticalMayo]

​@@seowkhoontan9534yes we do and hopefully with time like everything else we're going to get all these channels banned off of all of KZbin and then all of you won't have anything to do because China won't give you this access 🤣

[@danwelterweight4137]

Imperialists are scared their Colonial Empire is about to collapse and shatter before their eyes.. 🤣🤣🤣

[@chriswong9158]

Look at Africa today... it's happening weekly... USA and French are getting kick out

[@SK-lt1so]

CCP terrified of their own citizens.

[@willaimoconnell9430]

Who colonized Tibet and Turkestan?

[@puppetMattster]

​@@willaimoconnell9430The Qing Dynasty and the Han Dynasty, respectively.

[@SK-lt1so]

Who illegitimately took over China 1949? Hint: rhymes with CCP

[@davidcoard1978]

Its said that Chinese diplomats and businessmen go abroad to sign business deal, whereas their american counterparts go abroad to dissuade foreign signing those deals.

[@ganboonmeng5370]

Just take a look at the current NON Ambassador of an US Ambassador to China...😅😊

[@shundi4264]

General US population needs factual education on global affairs and ethnics. Think win-win and not zero-sum games.

[@chriswong9158]

US citizen will learn very soon, very soon... for 43 (adult) plus millions illegal aliens are in USA.

[@rickyooi7755]

Too bad, they have been educated in the wrong direction since decades, of course from the warmongers politicians.

[@pNHGpNHG]

In reality, 99% of americese USA are ONLY Looking for US-Win--Every1-Else-Lose. Let's not be Fooled again n again by the Nice words & Nice promised by the Sore LoSeR americese. USA can cancel ❌ any treaties that it deems USA is no longer winning.

[@tofdao]

damn it's too hard, harder than landing on the moon, but, its much easier in programming the population instead.😢

[@brianliew5901]

No way as most are busy getting stoned and getting laid. 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳😋

[@seokoking6956]

Still thinking this is the 1980s.That era is over.

[@TacticalMayo]

Well it's either that or Armageddon you choose

[@TacticalMayo]

Well I hope you like fallout 4 ☢️

[@TacticalMayo]

I hope you like fallout 4 ☢️

[@reo52]

In the 80s, it was Japan, Japan, Japan. Nowadays, it's China, China, China. I cannot help noticing that aging Japan bashers have moved on to China to bash.

[@qingshanyipian1936]

U.S. tried to defeat USSR, they needed China for that. U.S. wanted to destroy the euros. They also needed China. During the 2008 U.S. financial crisis, they desperately needed China to bail them out. This time is different. China won’t be there for the U.S. it has become a toxic environment. China will now show what decoupling means and the consequences for the U.S. will be devastating and unimaginable

[@welltank3723]

Before that, when China was the side of USSR, US lost in Korea, Vietnam.

[@RangKlos]

Dear US citizens, get those grandparents out of your politics now or your children will be living in a third world pariah country forever.

[@TacticalMayo]

LOL amazing you actually believe we 🇺🇲 will coexist as number two 🤣

[@TacticalMayo]

They keep erasing my comments but I guarantee you we will never be anything less than number one

[@guillermoelenes4310]

And horrible will you guarantee that assessment? With agreement or aggressive behavior? War it’s just fine for you

[@taijistar9052]

Geopolitics is bout the personal pride of the leaders, not their people! Being #1 is far more important for the ruling few than the people!

[@greatimo6140]

​@@TacticalMayoyou are already behind. China is the new Economic power while America is in debt mess of over 34 trillion. If try anything war on China you will have both Russia and BRICS to contend with and you will be leveled. Your infrastructure is in bad shape while China is far ahead. You are living in pass glory and self delusions 😂😂😂😂

[@lesleykong]

War monger's talk!

[@OppoAs-lo9bl]

China will never take Taiwan by force , China has patience and can wait

[@robertgittings8662]

*Asians will not kill Asians, their "get Asians to destroy each other and along with the Asian Century, and derail China's development will fail*

[@yliang1688]

🤩🤩🤩💯💯💯❤❤❤💪💪💪

[@natn41r]

If Taiwan declares independence, China reserves the right to use force against it--this is written into Chinese law. The Chinese always follow through with what they say they will do--just look back at the Korean war for reference.

[@Billck24]

taiwan can be independent if they can move the island out of south china sea

[@friedhelmschroter8124]

Being a rational, logical thinking person I would think same "China will never take Taiwan by force , China has patience and can wait". Look how many Chinese do state "China is peaceful". Yet why has the communist party established as formal goal, latest date for the inclusion of Taiwan = 2035? And why is China's navy and airforce permanently threatening Taiwan? And why has China not waited for democracy crash down in Hongkong at least up to the date that would allow this in principle based on the contract with UK? At least on Hongkong China was not willing to wait to 100% fulfil the contract with UK!? And on the diplomatic side I would expect someone that has patience and can wait not really to act now, yet quite aggresive diplomatic reactions by China after the visit of Mrs Nancy Pelosi. And I agree to @natn41r stating "If Taiwan declares independence, China reserves the right to use force against it--this is written into Chinese law". Again for someone who has patience and can wait I would expect less aggressive as such Taiwan declaration will become only effective when accepted by other countries and I think US stance is very very clear, US will never support Taiwan declaring its independence. Many questions contradicting the rationale thinking and I am eagerly awaiting your thinking/understanding/explanation.

[@NorCalMoDo]

amazing war mongers

[@TacticalMayo]

USA 🇺🇲 USA 🇺🇲 USA 🇺🇲

[@johnwhoo6194]

when something is going wrong in the US strategy, the US strategy is always doubling down first, haha 😂

[@chriswong9158]

700,000 Ukrainian life paid that price from February 2022-present.

[@enzoh7763]

​@@chriswong9158 ,, That's just the dead , And don't forget the , , , Some say 1 million WOUNDED , (what kind Injuries) , And 10,000,000 with PTSD , And 10 millions of sex slaves . - And soon ,, Japanese , South Koreans Filipinos , Australians, & Indians, - ( I doubt it) ,, To that list of proxies to die for America imperial hegemony . - What a great beautiful world we live in present time , All drenched in bloodshed .

[@yliang1688]

@@chriswong9158 And they had said it is so cheap in $$$ investment and worthy while

[@TacticalMayo]

​@@enzoh7763God bless the United States of America in every single one of you should never come back on US social media.

[@elielee7364]

Why US has to 'challenge' a civilization 4x its population and ruled by engineers based on meritocracy?

[@SK-lt1so]

What a description of a police state! You did Orwell proud! 😅😅😅

[@gogudelagaze1585]

"engineers based on meritocracy" Bro, have you even seen your politburo? It's only the kids and grandkids of the original. Meritocracy? Like the PLA Major General Mao Xinyu who obviously has... mental disabilities? lmfao

[@willembecker2794]

​@@SK-lt1so I think you don't know much about China, other then what you read or heard from the western press. I challenge you to visit China yourself to see if it is a police state. Hats off for any government who can Rais 800 million people out of extreme poverty in 25 years. Go and have a look at their cities and infrastructure, and talk with the people there, and try to find homeless people there. About 140 million Chinese goes abroad for vacation each year, and 140 million goes back after that. You have any proof about * police state*??

[@brianliew5901]

​@@SK-lt1soThat's how sad the US has become. 😢😢😢😢

[@DistrustHumanz]

​@@SK-lt1so Made sense to me. OP did not say anything supportive of China, just a characteristic. China IS a police state, AND a country with 4x the population of the U.S., AND it is ruled by engineers. This 'logic of absolutes' the U.S. has is exactly why it keeps sliding; everything is completely balck or white, with no shades of grey.

[@chickaboomboom2726]

THESE WARMONGERS WILL PAY A BRUTAL PRICE AT SOME POINT.

[@TacticalMayo]

Yes China will pay.

[@chickaboomboom2726]

@@TacticalMayo China is not a WARMONGER you are. You are near china territory. You have been in every war since the end of WW2 your government can't survive without waging wars.

[@pisablavatsky-cb3dd]

​@@TacticalMayoNezi west will soon get a bitter lesson for generations to come

[@chickaboomboom2726]

@@TacticalMayo BUT THE U.S WILL PAY FIRST

[@olderchin1558]

The US needs leaders who can play chess and think ahead more than 2 moves if diplomacy is their strategy. US leadership is completely dominated by football players.

[@ijatpingrhyb]

US doesn't need leaders who can play chess. It needs leaders who can play nicely with the rest of the world.

[@davidlim5]

Don't teach dummies too much.

[@yliang1688]

They just want to be elected and for more 4 years .............

[@MrPathorock]

bought by lobbies or slept their way up

[@TacticalMayo]

You see you don't understand you only have two choices. Either the United States wins or well you know what will happen.

[@samuelkimani1913]

The only thing the US.have spent time on is proving to the world that they are big guy that can kick anyones ass. Lost it.

[@magnaviator]

Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria all says differently.

[@TacticalMayo]

Well if they did they lied because the United States of America has never lost.​@@magnaviator

[@pisablavatsky-cb3dd]

​@@TacticalMayoEvery dog has its own day😂😂

[@xiaofengli4426]

I don't have much confidence in humanity as a species. We all know that if we all unite and focus on making people's life better rather than I have to win, the world would be a much better place for everyone. After evolution for millions of years, we are still thinking like gorillas.

[@TacticalMayo]

Not going to happen

[@佯谬]

我同意你的看法

[@davidlim5]

300year old want to challenge a 5000year old ??? .

[@philatkins5081]

More like a 75 year old (CCP) want to challenge a 300 year old.

[@mikeshen9293]

Nothing else just about US hegemony but it’s done because countries don’t like to be told what to do

[@e-magineerAllThings]

Why can't imperialists like the US and Japan ever think WIN WIN co-operation with China that embraces over 140 countries through BRI? The zero-sum mindset of the imperialists is so annoying.

[@TacticalMayo]

LOL imperialist listen to this b*******🤣

[@evrythingis1]

The west has given China all of it's wealth. Why can't China make it's own? Why are they always like a begging child?

[@patrickcheng5481]

USA fought n incurred huge losses fighting the Vietnamese, Iraqis n Talibans. Now USA wants to fight two superpowers ( Russia n China) at the same time? Fighting both countries in their own backyards. Good luck USA. U need it.

[@TacticalMayo]

USA has never lost ever in its history Cheenk

[@TacticalMayo]

No we 🇺🇲 will not need luck we will not need any of that with China not a bit

[@wg9830]

pivot to USA not Asia

[@vincenttay2812]

Who care about the US thug???

[@chriswong9158]

"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we lose our freedoms it will be because we have destroyed ourselves from within" - Abraham Lincoln.

[@franzMong]

@@chriswong9158 you are doing it right now!

[@ftd7435]

Pivot to US? No thanks, I have seen the weekly mass shootings, rising crimes, crumbling infrastructures, outdated education, omoz 700,000 homeless in the streets, zombie drug addicts, etc. Nope, I'll pivot to Asia.

[@ijatpingrhyb]

Never US is a mess, looking at china they are so far a head. They like win win not war war

[@zhinan888]

Why should we be threatened by a prosperous China?

[@adolfoformoso5445]

U.S. should look after the homeless in the country, provide education and health, instead invest in weapons and wars.

[@ElvinYeo-t2g]

There is no strategy from white house or the various think tank. 1 word: PATHETIC

[@TacticalMayo]

For you it's pathetic for us 🇺🇲 it's not.

[@RosaMark-v3h]

When you listen to what the two are talking about one wonder's what is America missing on what is happening in the world. All empires have a time span and Americans no exclusion and this is the end and unfortunately for them their's nothing to show for their power period

[@TacticalMayo]

LOL I guess you have never heard of Thucydide's trap then.

[@zhinan888]

Focus on America, no more wars

[@kubaebo6930]

It is barbaric to go fighting because you are unable to compete on an even ground.

[@TSS-yy5tx]

As we recalled, when Yugoslavia was gaining, progressing well technologically, they were tragically destroyed by western infiltration. The world should Never forget this as one of the earliest disruptive stance of US/Nato move.

[@johnjoannou4544]

You have all these grand gurus of economy and politics and yet they cannot tell you that the problem in the US is primarily the military complex and Israel. You go everywhere around the world trying to teach them to be democratic and at the same time you are not. All that money that you sent to Ukraine and Israel could have been used for infrastructure inside the US and for assisting other countries to be your allies. Then there wouldn’t be a problem if you invested in YOUR ECONOMY instead of starting wars in Ukraine (yes you started it) and everywhere around the world

[@TacticalMayo]

You are not on our side so we ain't going to listen to a damn thing you got to say

[@PhilipWong55]

Following the September 11, 2001 attack, the U.S. shifted attention from China to the Middle East, easing China's entry into the World Trade Organization (WTO) in December 2001. As China emerged as the "world's factory," producing inexpensive goods that lowered global inflation, central banks, including the U.S. Federal Reserve, maintained low-interest rates, fostering excessive leveraging in the U.S. and Europe. This, coupled with risky financial practices and the housing market's collapse, led to the 2008 Global Financial Crisis. Despite feeling unsettled by China's economic growth, the United States actively pursued financial support from China, for China to continue purchasing U.S. Treasury bills. In 2011, Obama proposed the "Pivot to Asia" strategy, which shifted the focus of US foreign policy from the Middle East to Asia. This, along with the wargaming of a sea blockade of Chinese commercial ships on a global scale, the formation of the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), which deliberately excluded China, the establishment of a 2500-strong US marine air-ground task force in Darwin, and an increase in the rotation of both US Air Force planes and US Navy vessels through Australian bases, alarmed the Chinese leadership. Unable to remain passive, hide their strength, and bide their time, Xi Jinping was selected as the leader of China in 2013 to make China more secure. These included the establishment of the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, the Belt and Road initiative, and the building of artificial islands in the South China Sea. In 2015 the "Made in China 2025" initiative was announced. These policies directly responded to the perceived threat posed by the "Pivot to Asia" strategy. No country is excluded from joining the AIIB or the Belt and Road Initiative. Obama's intentions were clarified when he responded to Xi Jinping's proposal on September 25, 2015, to make the South China Sea (SCS) a non-militarized zone by initiating freedom of navigation operations in the SCS on October 27, 2015.

[@chriswong9158]

aka Every time USA needed help from China PRC, US lean to China (1) 1971 drive nail between China & USSA, (2) 1979 Middle East issue, (3) 2001 WTO due US Inflation, (4) 2008 China buy more T-Bill, (5) etc...

[@TacticalMayo]

​@@chriswong9158the United States saved China from Japan during world War II

[@cathysmusic4919]

Failure to invest in American innovation and invest in the country - Education and re industrialization to meet the innovation challenges head on... Instead of acting like Wallstreet is an industry instead of the casino it has become....

[@yaphonghor4409]

Free expression? What so free about the brutal way of treating US campus protestors ?

[@TacticalMayo]

We're okay with it and who cares you're not on our side anyway.

[@guillermoelenes4310]

And which side it is? The side of the warmongers who uses the military to advance and hold the interest of the minuscule few oligarchs who are the true masters of the USA government

[@pisablavatsky-cb3dd]

Nezi west fake claims of freedom delusional Hollywood world is indigestible to the world

[@PavelSumik]

the biggest threat is in the way of thinking

[@DictumMeumPactum]

And these men have done a great deal of it through their arse.

[@TacticalMayo]

For you

[@chopinmack5418]

Don't worry ! Please talk to Gordon Chang as well . He can explain to you how China will collapse .

[@TacticalMayo]

Don't worry about that worry about Armageddon.

[@hsingkao2024]

China develops for better lives not for competition. Western countries should focus on solving internal problems.

[@MrPathorock]

because 200 years of history is too short compared to china

[@RobertLim-lb2wb]

America made first successful povot in the 1980's to manage japan because is still an occupied country and it is a tiny island without resoures and dependent on the markets of america and the eu china is not like japan china is an independent sovereign state large market and resoures etc china cannnot be managed or conttrolled by anyone since america discovered that it cannot manage china it has raised nuisance and trivail issues like taiwan xingiang etc to obstruct china 's progress but they will not succeed because china has relations and trading with the global south and the rest of the world.china is the 2nd largest econ and progressing on course to be the largest economy in the world facts and truths in front of your eyes

[@TacticalMayo]

If China becomes the number one economy 72 subs will go 30 ft deep and in 20 minutes 20 times over. 👋🏻☢️ BYE-BYE

[@ncchew3356]

Why should the US pivot to Asia? It must stop this most unwelcome practice. The US should become aware that wherever it gets involved, it destabilizes and endangers the regions. The US should instead take care of its domestic issues which are many that need urgently to be improved.

[@JBear-in1ql]

These gentlemen may all be over analyzing it and missing the simple point. Our foreign policies are driven by the interests of our capitalism, and short term democratic system-not by the long-term strategic interest of our country. The Chinese took the best parts of our system, and tweaked out the weak parts. That is the main point of China’s rise and our inability to counter.

[@olderchin1558]

Diplomacy is about talking and coming to a compromise to avoid conflict. Not forcing a compromise from your rival through conflict. And the compromise in East Asia is obvious, stop supporting Taiwan in exchange for peace in Japan and South Korea.

[@chriswong9158]

Like in the Middle East, US fail to understand they are the cause of Middle East conflict with the Israeli

[@olderchin1558]

@gggg-xv7nb Which pawns? Japan and South Korea gets to live their lives in peace. The majority of Taiwanese continues life as usual and the US lackeys gets to migrate to US and UK like the HK lackeys did. US gets to keep Japan and South Korea without losing ships and men, and anything else the Chinese have to pay to reach this compromise. UK gave up their hold of HK to avoid war, why can't the US?

[@olderchin1558]

@gggg-xv7nb I have a feeling that if the US goes to war again and with another super power, it will collapse into a civil war. US companies are flying high but the US government is near collapse. The US population is no longer "white" and it is seriously fragmented along racial lines. And there so much poverty and inequality, pitting pro immigrants against anti immigration.

[@TacticalMayo]

We 🇺🇲 don't do that and we never will.

[@TacticalMayo]

​@gggg-xv7nbno we🇺🇲 will do way more than that, we will do the Unthinkable

[@nmew6926]

Remember Obama pivot to Asia Pacific in 2011 happened 3 years before Xi Jingping came to power. Xi Jinping responded by militarizing the disputed islands. The issue is not sovereignty, it's China national security facing Pivot to Asia Pacific and 350 US military bases in Japan, Korea, Philippines and Australia. Remember US tested nuclear radiation on Pacific islanders in 1950s because of national security concern facing a possible nuclear war against USSR. China too has national security concerns today. A few Pinoy fishermen don't worth more than Pacific islanders. Right

[@felixf.3392]

I think the strategy presented has a fundamental problem. He says the US must position itself as a counterweight to China in East Asia with the help of other states. The US would therefore offer itself as a protective power in this region of the world and its new allies would help because no one has an interest in China becoming too powerful. I agree with him that this is in the interest of the states in East Asia. But why should the US take on these risks and costs just to take on the role of a stabilizer without dominating the region economically and politically? If his strategy is followed, China will still remain the largest trading partner of these states in East Asia because the US economy does not have the capacity to take on China's role. I have not yet heard a convincing explanation from him as to what the US will get out of it.

[@MrPathorock]

us is never a stabilizer, it is a trouble maker

[@alanwang5066]

USA: No one is allowed to be better than me！

[@xiaofengli4426]

If there are two options: 1. The US fights a war and spends huge amount of money to keep hegemony, but that means people's living standard drops. 2. Focus on economics and trade, the US might lose hegemony but people have a better life. I would choose option 2.

[@DictumMeumPactum]

The US will choose option one every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Hubris.

[@TacticalMayo]

We 🇺🇲 are going to choose option 1.

[@TacticalMayo]

​@@DictumMeumPactumdon't worry because when this happens with China because it is going to happen you will never have to worry about it again afterwards.

[@sns1804]

This is horrible talking graphics, very distracting.

[@SinarmanIndo]

If only interested to sell offensive weapon then better the American regime stays in Europe.. please stay home, don't create havoc..

[@bennywan4704]

This talk is so passee, a declining empire talking abt war they cant win

[@d_daeani7998]

As someone who has many american colleagues while working in New Zealand, I've noticed that an ENORMOUS amount of Americans had a huge view point that chinese products, the chinese economy and everything chinese was just not up to par and so doesn't warrant a need to be worried about. But now its coming out that literally a decade of this thinking has led to low innovation, a huge ego and just general hubris. It amazed me at just how indenial the Americans in our office were about china. And american media and other exposure based methods have made almost every new zealander not acknowledge just how gigantic the Chinese nation is. It's absolutely crazy how the general population is so proud of themselves and content with the world order that they arent even acknowledging that the world is fast becoming a multipolar one and that they should plan the next 20 years with that thinking in mind. But instead it will most likely hit them when its too late.

[@howelau1123]

U.S. IS COLLAPSING FAST ECONOMICALLY & WITH HIGH NATIONAL OF 35 TRILLION STILL COUNTING THAT CANNOT BE REPAYED BACK.

[@waynegore5291]

The lost decade? NO, we are winning enomously.

[@buravan1512]

*TIME is on CHINESE Side...😂*

[@hengongchua6250]

When did we Chinese ever say we want challenge any country? It is those that cannot catch up with us said we are challenging with them. We just want to keep develop to improve ourselves and our country. But our achievements have made many jealous, upset and frustrating.

[@baruchhababshemadonai1177]

This shows how deluded these people are.

[@daramy9507]

Taiwan appears to be the U.S. proxy against China the same way that Ukraine became one against Russia. Crimea was never Ukraine's exclusive property. Crimea was put under Ukrainean rule as part of a 1954 Russian Ukraine treaty agreement to form a Social, Cultural, Political, Economic, and Military Union between the two countries. Ukraine's desire to join a military union with Europe resulted in the annexation of Crimea following a Democratic, United Nations mandated policy similar to the referendum taken in Scotland to separate from the United Kingdom. The military industrial complex in the United States needs international conflicts and wars in order to maintain a significant defence budget. So they lobby and influence the political process in the U.S. Private enterprise does not have a similar influence in Russia and China.

[@TacticalMayo]

Taiwan is not a proxy we keep telling you that. You're going to be sadly disappointed if you're treated as one.

[@darkpenguin1978]

The weakness of America is about economy not military. China is economically shining and welcome around the world

[@TacticalMayo]

LOL that's not true at all, that's a complete lie.

[@darkpenguin1978]

@@TacticalMayo Americans tech and science are obsolete, protected from competition by political decisions to avoid been been surpassed. Theirs universities no longer produce top scientists and engineers, the supply chain to fabricate all concrete industrials and domestics appliances matos no longer is over there but in Asia Japan, Taiwan and China. In fact America was a prominent industrial power of the 1900s but no longer now it remains only a military one.

[@TacticalMayo]

@roro4787 reaching for our 🇺🇲 crown is even more dangerous.

[@kubaebo6930]

Russia invading ukrain is no threat to either NATO or the US.

[@rationalthinker2200]

The American Demographics is changing drastically...in the 1940s the US population is 85% European heritage today it is 50 plus % and by the 2030s it will comprise only 40 plus % .. America has today amass $35 trillion in debt and nothing much additional to show for Healthcare, Infrastructure and Education for the majority of Americans..( which by the 2030s are the African American,Latinos and Asians) In the 2030s with Debt at over $50 trillion ( if it keeps growing by Trillions a year) the majority of politicians reflecting the The new Majority will need to PIVOT back to US with the limited resources..for investment in American population...not the military industrial complex and the 800 plus foreign bases and 11 Aircraft Carriers.. It is a macro long term Trend that cannot be reverse without very drastic actions. The same is so obvious in "Great" Britain ,a Indian heritage PM a Muslim heritage London Mayor ..20 years ago you will never see hugh street Protest on behalf of Palestine in UK or US over the Gaza...imagine 20 years from now..where the new majority public opinion will sit..... Jobs..Healthcare..Infrastructure..Education for Americans..because with US dollar Dorminance and reserve currency status gone ( replace by digital Gold) ..printing US$ is no longer an option to finance its $50 Trillion principal and intrest repayments.

[@DictumMeumPactum]

Insightful and persuasive

[@TacticalMayo]

​@@DictumMeumPactumno it will make no difference

[@rationalthinker2200]

@@TacticalMayo Then give your basis or rationale ,why US will not PIVOT back to the New Majority American people.. Maybe you have compelling reasons to the contrary...🤗

[@TacticalMayo]

@@rationalthinker2200 because when you reach for our number one spot we do what's known as the wolfowitz doctrine and that is the beginning stages of Armageddon. You don't understand there will be no world if we are not number one.

[@TacticalMayo]

@@rationalthinker2200 because you will get the worst reaction from us you could ever imagine. I mean literally unthinkable, you wouldn't even believe we would go that far. I HOPE YOU LIKE FALLOUT 4 ☢️

[@weiyeongtan2695]

The problem in US is that it is the MIC is in control of the government causeing a focus toward war.

[@zaitinmak5671]

Don't worry ! With "Freedom of Navigation" , US Warships have been sailing along the coast of China for many years . The U.S. has over 750 Overseas Secret Military Bases , of which 313+ are surrounding China w/ Warships & Missiles . China should be the one who is very scare of the " American Threat" . Has China been used as a scapegoat for the Military Industrial Complex to expand their businesses continuously ?

[@scottmarquardt3575]

Same thing happening in 2024 to the US as what happened to England in 1939. Maybe the US should just prepare the Australians to move to Antarctica.😅

[@默-c1r]

China has no beef with Australia, this is all just fearmongering like the US did to Japan in the 80s. China just wants to secure its neighborhood and trade. The US should understand this given the Monroe doctrine.

[@sammmmmysluggggger]

This graphic with the voice signal is way too annoing.Get rid of it

[@rickyooi7755]

Sickening Blabla!

[@kaylee8644]

US perceived “challenge” from China

[@georgequek7996]

The U.S. has lost everything to others man, hahaha...🙈

[@JaydenWilliams-my1br]

Speaking as an Australian, this conversation is laughable to us. There was no US pivot to Asia after Obama's big policy turn, the US has put dismal effort into maintaining its status in East Asia and has continued to ignore its allies in the region. Biden has visited Ireland several times (its an okay country, but geostrategically insignificant), the last time a US president visited Australia was well over a decade ago. And to talk about building an Asian Nato, it will never happen. You can't convince Indonesia its security relies Vietnam remaining independent, or that Thailand's security relies on South Korea remaining independent, the geography is not contiguous like in Europe, its very easy to convince Germany that its security relies on Poland remaining independent, etc. America dropped the ball hard in East Asia, the frightening thing is though the US still thinks it can dominate this region, US lost its dominance over East Asia somewhere around 2022.

[@TacticalMayo]

Why would you even say this nonsense and not be embarrassed? Oh my God I mean this is beyond delusional 🤣

[@JaydenWilliams-my1br]

@@TacticalMayo Where am I being delusional? The only ones delusional here are the American leaders.

[@chaysengy]

Most of the world used to admire US for their courage and the universal truth they represent. But US seem to have lost their way. More and more countries are now turning to China for what they represent ie common security , stability and development.

[@PhilipWong55]

Politics determines how wealth is distributed within a country, while wars and diplomacy determine how wealth is distributed between countries. These are not good outcomes for US citizens of US Government policies: Economic inequality, inflation, stagnant real wages for the last fifty years, costly healthcare, an expensive education system, student loan debt totaling $1.7 trillion with an average balance of $38,000, poor public transportation systems, racial inequality, mass incarceration, the militarization of police, deteriorating infrastructure, housing affordability, homelessness, the opioid epidemic, and gun violence. Instead of prioritizing the welfare of its people, the US meddles in other countries to spread its version of democracy. The question is whether the USA can continue to survive with its version of democracy, not whether it can have any leadership role in the global order.

[@TacticalMayo]

You just don't get it yet we 🇺🇲 will never and I mean never ever give up on number one spot, EVER. You would have to pry it out of our radioactive glowing gooey hands.

[@waichui2988]

The US does not know China. During the Cold War era, lots of universities in the US offered Russian study. The US had a big pool of talent to draw from. Russia has been trying to join the West for three hundred years, welcome or not. Russia has been part of European affairs for three hundred years, like it or not. Has anyone heard that Chinese study is flourishing in the US? How do you deal with someone you do not know? But China knows the US very well. Many Chinese had studied in the US. This disparity of knowledge is a great advantage to China. And China is everywhere in the world. The Cold War was simple: The Soviet Union had the communist camp and the US had the rest of the world. There was an iron curtain clearly marking the two sides. Now, China is everywhere. China trades with all countries in the world. Chinese tourists go to dozens of countries in the world. Chinese scholars visit so many countries in the world. China provides scholarships to many students in poor countries. China builds infrastructure in over 140 countries in the world. If you want to meet the China challenge, you probably has to fight them over every commercial deal, every construction project, every loan, every scholarship, every visit by scholars, in 150 countries, over many decades. In the end, the US will lose anyway. The reason is simple. The objective of the US is to preserve the West led world order. If you fight China over every deal, giving the Global South countries better terms than the Chinese, you build up the economic strength of the Global South and they will not be led by anyone.

[@linkan4738]

What is quality diplomacy? It sounds oxymoron.

[@benjaminwai7416]

And what did England do colonization of how many territories? In America as well?

[@jamespier7801]

what is a feasible compromise with China on the Taiwan issue? it doesn’t appear amenable to compromise

[@harryloo8544]

US should manage its relative decline vis a vis China gracefully instead. And strengthen multilateral institution like UN instead of undermining it for its own selfish agenda.

[@tanyi5524]

We didn't challenge America, because we were too busy and you were too idle to think.

[@Emphasis213]

A lot of comments are against US pivoting to Asia and enforcing our rules based order. Now what would US do if other regions have excess growth while we are busy in Asia? Are we gonna play whack a mole and enforce our rules based orders against others? It is obvious that as other regions continue to grow, they will use more resources and to fuel their growth and life style. Their growth will cause our decline by increasing costs for us Americans. The question we should ask is there another more peaceful way to get along with others?

[@HT2024-]

It’s sad to see how forgetful people are about what has been achieved so far for the betterment of the humanity by the leadership of the united states after WW II. The peace and affluence of the world we now thrive on are the fruits cultivated by the tremendous efforts of the leadership with try and error. We, living in the future our predecessors once dreamt of back then, take it granted.

[@aghassimkrtchyan6323]

Very good discussion, liked how they candidly framed “the western concept of world order” not just world order as pundits typically say. But the fact that they never mentioned or gave an assessment to US decision to expand NATO to the borders of Russia and then support a regime change in Ukraine in 2014 which doesn’t seem super compatible with the pivot to Asia concept. Are they going to give a candid evaluation of that policy in 20 years from now just like they started criticizing Bush’s invasion of Iraq which they actually defended ?

[@loooongtimeago]

Two Cold War dinosaurs keep having their wet dreams without noticing that the Global South has awakened, as they have seen that China has proven there is a third way to prosperity.

[@ekeneigwenagu239]

And the '20s is about to be another lost decade if the US wouldn't learn how to do business in the 21st century.

[@williamniggle7382]

Despite 800 US military bases around world, of which more than 350 surround China in West Pacific, they are more likely to be the weakness of overstretch than the exposition of strength. Competition, confrontation, containment, constriction, curse, crisis, conflict, combat, ‘collective deterrence’: None of them seems to stop the advances of China, which is not just another big player in the world but the biggest player ever in the human history, predicted by Lee Kuan Yew long time ago. In contrast, after the collapse of the USSR in 1991, America at first self-indulged in the myth of ‘The End of History’, then launched 20 years’ war on elusive terrorism, invading Iraq and Afghanistan recklessly, not to mention GFC in 2007.

[@yukmingchen6334]

All the reasons USA wasted energy in wars, neglecting to improve the matter concerning the peoples of American.

[@phongy45]

Why USA budget more money for her people ... Improvement of roads , housings, education or even medical for the people? Instead spending billions on wars , creating conflicts and etc

[@Banmuyuan]

You are still all talk about military dominance, not economic development. 😂

[@zackwang9314]

American mentality, we need to maintain our 'way of life', in other words, our Hegemony

[@tinatang1]

In what way has China not been a responsible stakholder in international relations and global climate crisis management?

[@kwanhinlee7667]

Old folks believed yesterdays refuse

[@paulwww8]

It's TOO LATE to Pivot to anywhere for U$A - Financially or Militarily or anything ! 🤣🤣🤣

[@TacticalMayo]

Who told you that lie?

[@directxxxx71]

​@@TacticalMayo Where have you been sleeping?

[@TacticalMayo]

@@directxxxx71 where have you been sleeping? We would never coexist in a world as number two you know what we would do. ☢️

[@jamesl.o.h.6000]

Read widely and understand both sides of the story as an old saying goes. And check your own intentions for your thoughts, words and deeds. Then say and do from your heart ❤️. Then the world will definitely be a better place for all. Human beings and being humans in the true sense of words is a totally different thing.

[@Yitphin]

What threat? What value?

[@petertien6]

WSJ has a free apeech policy but it only applies to back mouthing China, if you say anything else, then the policy no longer applies

[@amarhadjimurad2363]

Will the USA abandon the middle east special Israel

[@kwanhinlee7667]

Old American folks still in Dreamland not knowing the eastern dragon has awoken Old folk like me still can think better compared to some stubborn American politician just imagine they still believe liar Gordon Chang😅

[@chengavitch10]

Agree with the host that it is rather delusional to believe the frequently repeated mantra that economic advancement would transform the Chinese with deep rooted traditions into Americans.