How The Wii Zapper Killed A Twilight Princess Sequel

[@pixxlol]

The word ‘training’ really killed it. It doesn’t look like a bad game when you realize it’s not just shooting targets

[@clegge7]

Wait, it wasn't? I thought it was just a point of concept gimmick game for the zapper which is why I never bothered playing it. The marketing could have been much better.

[@rendumguy7596]

I always thought it was more of a demo than a real game, it was a really bad name

[@dxublexxsplicitxxsplicit4943]

​@clegge7 it's straight up part of the timeline apparently

[@DisKorruptd]

​@clegge7 the target shooting is a majority of it, but there are a number of levels where link is surrounded by foes as well as levels where you go thorough a micro-dungeon, even boss fights!

[@hanburgundy4317]

​@@clegge7 It's super fun. There are even boss fights.

[@Mr.Foxhat]

I have huge respect for Miyamoto as a creator, but I think he got his Zelda and Star Fox wires crossed. A Star Fox game with the zapper would've been much better.

[@AzurePip]

Not only that, but Star Fox: Assault was already available on the GameCube and that had levels with Fox on foot using his blaster to shoot targets. It wasn't a first-person shooter and used a regular controller, but it was still good fun.

[@MysticPaladin]

Metroid Prime 4: Zapper

[@chrispork1443]

Yeah, using the Wii Zapper for a Star Fox game sounds like a good idea for on foot missions and maybe the Landmaster, but I’m not sure how good it’ll be piloting an Arwing.

[@JoelBurger]

The rationale that it started with the Zelda development team so it would be rude to take it elsewhere also made no sense, he's the one who foisted the idea onto them to begin with.

[@FurryMcMemes]

Same, sometimes Miyamoto makes bizarre choices that do more harm than good.

[@Spitfyre1011]

Miyamoto is a wacko, man. "Make me a sequel for Twilight Princess. But dont forget to add the gun"

[@Radien]

This is the second time he's done that. He did it with Donkey Kong 64, too. And IIRC that didn't sell very well either, either on its own merits or just because it was on the N64. I'm staying to think Miyamoto isn't a genius lead developer so much as filing the role of a particularly troublesome client. Sometimes satisfying him represents satisfying the wants of consumers, but sometimes it's the exact opposite.

[@ZeldaSam1]

I label him as a "My Way or the Highway" person!!!

[@hanburgundy4317]

​@Radien DK64 is amazing - it's in my N64 right now - and I maintain people only hate it out of a skill issue

[@kingstarscream320]

@@hanburgundy4317Word. DK64 is one of the greatest 3d platformers ever made. People don’t understand that the majority of collectibles are optional: find a particular Golden Banana tedious? Don’t do it. Player choice is a good thing.

[@lukebrady65]

​@@RadienAbsolute utter nonsense. He has spoken about this at length before. Where development teams have hundreds, and in some cases thousands, of ideas, this causes development to become extremely fragmented. Game's start lacking Focus, and the core principle isn't there. His job is to say no, no, no, remove this, add this, change that. He brings clarity and vision back to the team. Shigeru Miyamoto has made some of the greatest video games ever created not because he says yes, but because he says no.

[@ironmuro]

Never forget what was taken from us... Miyamoto has a weird track record with the Zelda games. Having to be corrected on lore by Aonuma in interviews, admitting to not really being too interested in the lore, then this. Now I like Link's Crossbow Training... but damn would I have prefered a proper Twilight Princess sequel. I really wish we would go back to previous eras in the Zelda Timeline more. Give us sequels to Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword set in their time periods.

[@theothenintendomaster3717]

Paper Mario Sticker Star is often used as an example, but Miyamoto only made a suggestion not mandating Intelligent Systems to dumb down Paper Mario.

[@ZeldaLore]

When you really think about it, we lost Twilight Princess 2 for a plastic accesory for the Wii. Perhaps one day in the future we will see a sequel for the Hero of Twilight. Highly doubt it at this point though, the game would be so different from its predecesor, specially now that they are full on going open world and freedom. But who knows.

[@midnightnavigator]

And we lost Windwaker 2 for Twilight Princess. Kinda ironic, really.

[@ZeldaLore]

@midnightnavigator It was... a necessary loss. However, in an ideal future, Phantom Hourglass could be reimagined in the Wind Waker HD Engine, alongside Spirit Tracks. I'd die for that to happen.

[@DefaultFeng]

@@ZeldaLore YES! Give them some love!

[@KamenRiderGumo]

@@midnightnavigator Nah - we didn't lose anything there. WW sucks.

[@captain_unhinged4372]

…Phantom Hourglass?

[@l.d.walters4650]

I think Miyamoto made a poor decision with this one. We need a TP sequel

[@StevenJBen]

Twilight Princess is the second worst Zelda game. We absolutely don't need more of it. (Worst is tears of the kingdom)

[@firingstickman]

​@@StevenJBen 3/10 ragebait, it lacks fidelity, but good job

[@DumplingDoodle]

@@firingstickman i'd say it's closer to 7/10, because it got you to say "good job" ironically.

[@l.d.walters4650]

@@firingstickman 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@l.d.walters4650]

@@DumplingDoodle 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣thanks guys. You are great

[@GeekMuscle]

I respectfully disagree with Miyamotos' decision

[@milliondollarmistake]

i disrespectfully disagree

[@_MythicalWolf]

I also disrespectfully disagree. He killed the sequel to my favorite game for a BS accessory that nobody likes and notion controls nobody likes.

[@asshizu]

I disagree with his decision, and his reasoning. This was a terrible thing to happen, but we cannot forget all of the good he has done for us.

[@hanburgundy4317]

​@@_MythicalWolf Speak for yourself. As much as I'd have loved - and even preferred - a proper TP sequel, Crossbow Training was great and the zapper was fun; they even had Call of Duty:World at War. You can't say that "nobody liked it" - that's patently false.

[@huyphan7825]

If I had a nickel for every time Miyamoto's obsession with superfluous novelty destroyed the artistic spirit of a promising project I'd have enough nickels to drown horribly

[@chrislevack405]

Yet you continue to buy games he arbitrarily influenced. Shush.

[@huyphan7825]

Bold of you to assume I buy Nintendo games

[@nintentrovert]

Who needs nickels to drown when the ocean is free?

[@2smokindukes]

Another majoras mask style sequel to ANY Zelda game is all I’ve wanted for 20+ years

[@insupportofjunhado]

Phantom Hourglass? And wouldn't Majora's Mask itself be a Link's Awakening style sequel?

[@2smokindukes]

@ I fully agree on both points, though I think MM is the king of the weird sequels

[@Your-Least-Favorite-Stranger]

​@@2smokindukesHonestly we just need another legitimately creepy/somber title. TotK had its elements of creep, but it still had heroism at its core - MM was so crushingly fatalist it made for a truly memorable experience. Link, and Termina at large, relived those three days again and again plagued with the knowledge their lives were drawing to a particularly hopeless end and there was _no way to escape it_ .

[@hanburgundy4317]

​@@Your-Least-Favorite-Stranger Sadly, MM was the product of the limited production timeline and the subsequent stress, anxiety, and dread felt by Aonuma at the deadline and Miyamoto breathing down his neck. It gave him nightmares lol I don't think we'll ever get another Majora's Mask, and that kills me; it's #4 in my top 5.

[@2smokindukes]

@@hanburgundy4317 it really was a perfect storm. Oh well, it will be replayable forever

[@jeltajink]

This is one of the cases where putting gameplay over everything can be bad. It may be fun and very replayable, but if there is nothing else it can feel empty and forgettable. It's pretty similar to what happened with Four Swords Adventures. It was going to have a greater story, but Miyamoto said to focus on gameplay. Unused text reveals that it was possibly going to be a prequel to A Link to the Past with a more faithful interpretation of the Imprisoning War than Ocarina of Time. The final game seems to be fun, but nothing else.

[@insupportofjunhado]

Four Swords Adventures is level to level, like Link's Crossbow training, but it's much more of a "Zelda" experience with puzzles, exploration and item progression than Crossbow Training. Not really a fair comparison.

[@GraceAndGlorySmash]

I played it when it came out and remember being really let down when I realized how small the scope of the game was. When a game comes with its own accessory like that, I expect some substance. Donkey Kong Jungle Beat comes to mind. Crossbow training felt like it should've been a minigame inside a REAL Zelda game. Two hours of gameplay tucked inside a proper 40-something hour experience.

[@theboulder027]

Miyamoto: "Zelda is our story focused series." Also miyamoto: "No complicated narratives in Zelda ever!"

[@wildbard4112]

Miyamoto dropped the ball hard on this

[@coopsaf]

Links Crossbow Training was actually one of my favorites on the Wii! I played that game so much to get platinum in every category

[@hanburgundy4317]

Same.

[@HylianBull]

I enjoyed Link's Crossbow Training. A few calibrations and a bunch of cuss words later I appreciated it for what it was.

[@criticalaorta]

It was a very formative part of my childhood

[@xxhaxonxx8345]

Oh yeah the zapper sequel, devs were so dissapointed when they found out

[@luigisuper4143]

I would've loved a Twilight Princess sequel so much. TP is my favourite Zelda by quite a bit.

[@jensgur]

Also the last true 3d zelda... Nearly 20 years ago :*)

[@JohnCena-qe1rz]

What? Like skyward sword, botw and totk don’t exist?

[@lemau8458]

I just want another realistic style classic zelda puzzle game

[@PJDAltamirus0425]

@@JohnCena-qe1rz BOTW and TOTK deviated so far from traditional Zelda structure you could make the case they are dicking around simulators with a Zelda coating. I wouldn't argue that but you bring up points supporting that idea.

[@kingstarscream320]

@@PJDAltamirus0425I’m playing BOTW for the first time now. It feels pretty Zelda. The only differences are cooking, weapons breaking, and dungeons being tiny and repetitive.

[@PrincessLelouch]

See, the real problem was the naming. It should have been called Zelda’s Crossbow Training.

[@Heavens_Rejected]

My best friend got this game and the zapper on a whim back then, the day I showed up to have a sleepover at his house. It was so much fun passing the controller back and forth to see who could get the higher score!

[@skuffy4930]

I think the idea of a shooter set in Hyrule actually has some merit, it's just a question of how you would actually go about that. I could see either having the game star Linkle, since she actually uses crossbows and it seems everyone has been wanting her return. Or maybe going with Miyamoto's Terminator premise, but leaning into the absurdity of it and creating a very comedic title.

[@boombastic108]

I know I'm in the minority, but I freaking love this game. My friends and I would compete with each other, setting records higher and higher. I have incredibly fond memories of playing this game.

[@kingstarscream320]

What like speed running?

[@boombastic108]

@kingstarscream320 That, and accuracy. Like he says in the video, one miss can destroy your score. Those multipliers are insane.

[@Cattensu]

I own this game. Found it at a retro game store a few years back, and picked it up along with Luigi's Mansion 2 on the 3DS. But I have never gotten around to playing it. One day I will.

[@nickosvai4149]

An actual MM like sequels would’ve been WAY better

[@Bridget-g7q]

Twilight Princess is my fav Zelda game

[@PJCVita92]

This is why I don't understand why people praise Miyamoto so much to the point where they're like "listening to Miyamoto is actually good a thing" or whatever. Yeah, he's had a lot of good ideas. However, when it comes to Zelda, he's the reason why Master Quest aka "Ura Zelda" isn't the epically cool expansion to OoT we thought and wanted it to be, and why both OoT and Four Swords Adventures aren't the A Link to the Past prequels they should've been. I know OoT takes place before ALttP, technically making it a prequel. However, it has nothing to do with the Sealing War from ALttP's backstory and the ending that does exist in OoT does not even lead to the Sealing War. The game was a total retcon in the end. And FSA unfortunately met the same fate. Both or the case with FSA being the fault of Miyamoto. I believe at one point, Miyamoto did want OoT to be connected to ALttP as prequel of sorts. However, his idea involved OoT, when it was still called Zelda 64 at the time, being a sequel to Zelda 2. For that to work, of course, especially given Miyamoto's hatred towards Zelda 2, Zelda 64 would take place after Link failed to prevent Ganon's Return in Zelda 2. Possibly that Zelda 64 Link would also be the same Link from Zelda 1 and 2, with a similar recovery plot point like BotW and TotK much later. However, this story would change drastically overtime until it followed more simply and closely to that of the story we know from OoT's final release version. Considering how development usually prioritized gameplay over story, I believe that whatever was thought of for the story this returning Ganon plot didn't survive long enough to be well thought. And neither did any other takes on a failed Link story that likely came later. But based on most builds of Zelda 64, it's apparent that they were all definitely developed with ties to at least ALttP in mind. But at the end of the day, OoT became it's own story with an ending that does not lead to ALttP. Instead, the only connection to ALttP we did get was the implication that ALttP's timeline happens due to a game over. But how is that Miyamoto's fault in the end? Two words. Young Link! While I love the little guy, I feel like this is what killed Zelda 64 and gave us OoT at least a console gen too early. I feel like Zelda 64, while it may not have been as great as OoT, still would've been quite memorable as the game actually looks prettier on the N64 than OoT. While OoT would've better on Gamecube in my opinion. OoT's attempt at an artistically realistic artstyle was a little too ambitious for the N64 era. The Gamecube would've been perfect for the artstyle they were going for with OoT. And Wii would've been better for Wind Waker. Ever since the N64 era, Nintendo has had a nasty habit of releasing ambitious Zelda games ahead their time. And even sometimes cancelling/scrapping ideas because Miyamoto wanted something simpler or more ambitious too early. Probably the only time it was good to listen to Miyamoto when it came to Zelda was A Link Between Worlds. However, Miyamoto's idea was for a remake, not sequel. Though the idea of sequel probably wouldn't have been thought of if not for the remake idea. So I still have to give the man credit for the one time it was a good thing that the Zelda team listened to him. Though, like I said, while the man does have a lot of great ideas, and listening to him has been good before, that doesn't mean it's always a good idea to listen to him. And the scrapped Twilight Princess sequel is proof of that. However, I'm not saying that the Crossbow idea is bad. Just that it would've been cooler if the crossbow was just simply the main focal item for an entire adventure. The Zapper could still be used for a smaller game that is much like the Crossbow Training we got. But for the main game we use traditional controls with motion control aiming when using the Wiimote and nunchuk. I imagine the game would actually be a new generation of Link in the same Hyrule, with some new areas, a whole new story, new threat, new enemies and bosses, and new dungeons. And the game would feature a slightly younger Link, being a new Young Link at age of 14 or 12 at the youngest. He'd be big/tall enough to hold a crossbow. Finally, the game would be called "The Legend of Zelda: Crossbow of Light". We've had a game centered around Link's cap and one around his sword, but not his bow. But just imagine if we did though, and before the sword one. So yeah, the fact we could've gotten a truly epic Zelda game instead of the small budget spinoff we got really does make me feel like the anger that fans had towards Miyamoto in 2008 truly was justified. Us fans had every right to upset at him back then. We could've had another amazing 3D Zelda game after Twilight Princess before Skyward Sword. But Miyamoto denied us of that joy. Shame on him!

[@greenlightning6803]

Listen miyamoto I love you, you’re awesome, but god wtf were thinking??

[@GreenOfFields]

I do understand what they were going for with this, but this just wasn’t what fans wanted at the time. We were all riding high off the epic end to Twilight Princess (my personal favorite game) and wanted a new adventure, not a mini-game pack. Honestly though, if Crossbow Training were to be rereleased next year or the year after as a download-only app for Nintendo’s next console I would probably check it out.

[@iamlegend6837]

I played this game as a kid but never knew it was the result of a planned sequel changing so much because of the Zapper. I think a Twightlight princess sequel proper would be insane, the return of midna.

[@thefoxesmind]

I actually hated this game as a kid. I thought that just shooting targets was incredibly boring and I stopped playing almost immediately.

[@markusszelbracikowski956]

People don't talk that much about the many crazy ass Miyamoto ideas, good thing some people at Nintendo were able to filter a lot of them out 😂

[@skyhavender]

Man, after tears there's been alot of videos about twilight Princess lately...

[@YoMamaLivesHere]

'Cuz TP is P E A K ! 😎

[@glowstickofdestiny1290]

This was actually the first Zelda game I ever played, before I really even knew about the series. I guess my dad had heard about it from a coworker or something, and we played it a lot as a family without ever knowing a thing about Hyrule or anything in it. Good times, but I'm definitely glad I've gone on to experience the series more fully.

[@LMarcel503]

Same for me! My cousin randomly had it on her Wii, and I played a couple of games. Then, when Skyward Sword came out, I remembered playing this game and decided to buy it. Now, Skyward Sword is my favorite game.

[@hanburgundy4317]

Link's Crossbow Training was such a good game, and NONE of my friends were anywhere near as good as me 😂

[@agentotter]

This is a fun game that can be breathtakingly beautiful at times. The night time level outside of the castle with the balloons and fireworks looks fantastic. I am glad I got to experience it, but I'd have rather had a full sequel.

[@sammerjammer1600]

As someone who gets severe motion sickness Thank God OoT isn't first person. I would never have played and fallen in love with the series if it was. A little sad TP didn't get a proper sequel since it's still my favorite of the series.

[@Cameytoe]

I've never played this, but I'm glad it exists. It adds this kind of real world whimsy, like "what a silly idea, but kinda cool". I am a little disappointed that this replaced a Twilight Princess sequel, but maybe that's an idea for down the road.

[@Dairunt1]

ngl I would have loved Crossbow Training as an extra minigame for Twilight princess HD

[@joshtheis69]

My wife and I loved playing this game We both wish it was a long game play

[@ShadowVincent3]

I've played this game and 100% it. It was fun for what it was, but absolutely too short and I absolutely would have waited for a proper sequel. If they really insisted on sticking with this idea, they could have at least fleshed it out more, given us some mini dungeons to go through and more things to fight.

[@nickywampole3306]

My fav Zelda game not getting a true sequel is such a disappointment for me

[@devonaiello5469]

Right. Maybe one day we will get a sequel. Or atleast another zelda game in this style.

[@Geniusgen47]

6:37 Link.....with a GUN. Just the idea made me almost spit out my coffee of from laughter but yeah I remember as a teenager being so disappointed it wasn't a proper sequel to twilight princess and instead just an arcade game.

[@STRIKENSUN41]

I got the game with the wii zapper as I was interested in the accessory. I still really enjoyed links crossbow training and platinum ranked and tried to perfect every stage when I got it. Was fun for a week or so. But I honestly thought at the time that it was just a tech demo for the wii zapper since it came with it. I honestly didn't know this was more or less the planned sequel to a game I enjoyed.

[@ChadH.Liles2007]

ngl I think Terminator Zelda would be really fun

[@jchandler]

Link’s Crossbow Training was one of my first entries into the franchise as a 7 year old kid with a Wii, and honestly it served its purpose well for me. It does feel more like a mini-game / DLC than a stand-alone title, but it was unique and fun for its short run-time. Haha it does hold enough nostalgia for me that, in a LoZ fan fic I am writing, my main character’s weapon of choice is none other than this crossbow.

[@fabianf7408]

10:53 Life before Death. Strength before Weakness. Journey before Destination.

[@Gabbycatty]

Literally unforgivable.

[@Mswordx23]

Appropriate profile pic

[@chrislevack405]

Twilight Princess isnt that great of a game. Calm down.

[@777idkineedausername]

First world problems

[@nmoharo829]

Considering that within 5 years, we had twilight princess, phantom hourglass, spirit tracks, and skyward sword, Link's crossbow training focusing on just being a fun game is nice. Nintendo's willingness to experiment and focus on fun is why we get many great games that get to have their own identity

[@SheilaisOffensive]

Bought it when it came out. It was fun for what it was. Also had a Resident Evil hand you played with the Zapper. I only remember being in a train for that game though 😂

[@TheBreadPirate]

Link's Crossbow Training is the best Zelda game ever! It sold more than Wind Waker on Gamecube, and DON'T YOU FORGET THAT!

[@gaelyte2550]

It also sold more than Skyward Sword

[@kexard]

I realize that there’s a gap in years between these concepts, but I think a game starring Linkle utilizing a crossbow-like controller add on would be pretty cool.

[@Bridget-g7q]

Lady yona is a Hyrule bass that’s my theory great horned statue made deals with fish so maybe

[@BenWillock]

You'd think the people at Nintendo would know by then not to put a gimmick in Miyamoto's hands, the guy is incapable of resisting the urge to cancel projects so he can play with his new toy.

[@cr0-okedglasses814]

Imagine being one of the few people chosen to create an epic story for one of the most impactful stories Zelda has ever produced, just to be turned down by being “too epic”.

[@General12th]

I get where he's coming from. Majora's Mask turned out well because of its constraints, and ended up far more epic than anyone could have planned for. If the team had tried to recapture that magic by coming at it with high expectations, it would have failed miserably. Not to mention that a good chunk of Twilight Princess's development time was the grand story. If the team aimed too high, the sequel would have required almost as much time and money, which wouldn't have fit with the schedule.

[@BirdKeeperToby]

This game is so fantastic! I’m so up for more levels of this. What are the modder community up to nowerdays

[@Changingnose9117]

A great way for link to hold a gun is turning tactical weapons into zonai devices.

[@ryanthirdborn]

Miyamoto sounded emotionally spent, and wanted to develop something that was stale in comparison. I can understand that, considering how must emotional investment went and goes into twilight princess, but I think he simply should have made 2 separate projects, one would be a shooter, and involve any of the characters from twilight princess, and the other would be another serious side story. It was painfully obvious how the crossbow training left story completely out of it, and I think that stole the experience too. Even if it had been pitched as a dream or nightmare sequence, at least it would have resided firmly in the universe.

[@777idkineedausername]

That takes time and money, things we don't have an infinite amount of. If Nintendo could make every game they wanted, whenever they wanted, they would. Decisions and trade offs must be made.

[@Snacker6]

Miyamoto seems to have a distaste for stories and detailed plots, and it hurts me

[@frogsareop5623]

I got LCT on clearance for like $15 in the mid 2010's, and despite the excitement of the deal, returning to the Wii with a new toy, Twilight Princess being my first & mozt nostalgic Zelda, and shooters being my favorite genre, i never finished it for the same reason... I felt robbed of a Midna's Mask.

[@DJWoozie]

Simple concepts don't necessarily mean strict and rigid, Miyamoto

[@chrislevack405]

Ah, is that why you are also an incredibly successful video game pioneer? Oh........

[@777idkineedausername]

Those are two unrelated parts of his philosophy. He does not back down, and he thinks simple concepts win the day via creativity, those are mutually exclusive.

[@roxanneedl5484]

I'm huge Zelda fan *and* a huge light gun shooter fan and this game is both and I wouldn't give it up for anything

[@Pumpking1984]

Hey, I would play OoT in VR.

[@BrandonJulianWindsor7]

Twilight Princess definitely deserved a proper sequel. My hope is that the success of a sequel like Tears of The Kingdom makes them consider revisiting this game.

[@ShiftShido]

Alternate reality where we got the hero of time's last title where we see him become the hero's shade in a majora's mask style game

[@DJWoozie]

2:20 Miyamoto by this point had to be ignored. That 80s style of game development wasn't going to work any more. Narrative and gameplay needs to be woven into each other. Or else go back to making arcade cabinets.

[@MonsterHunterxRWBY]

Funnily enough, this was actually my first game in the Zelda franchise (I stopped playing after being terrified by the Gibdos).

[@zeroshadowangel]

while you already told i think this would have been better use for a starfox game almost similiar to starfox adventure for gamecube but where fox and the crew would battle in land with guns and addd some space missions where you use the zapper to control the ship and for legend of zelda something more different like exploring the twilight realm either by something happening there or like just like majora mask where link is drag in by a new enemy or something like that

[@potassiumfeldspar]

I never picked this one up when I was younger. Between the name and the bundled peripheral, I didn't expect much from it. Lots of games in this era capitalized on the motion controls as a gimmick and I think I was just so disillusioned despite TP being my favorite Zelda game.

[@Xfushion2]

It's beyond weird that Miyamoto was impressed with the zapper considering it's just a plastic case. Not only it's a pain to setup if you're using a wired nunchuck but it's actually much comfortable to play without it and my guess is thay they must had noticed it's redundancy since they never made another game with it in mind.

[@jpronan8757]

Now just imagine if ToTK was just another zapper game.

[@redspiritmask]

I think Link's Crossbow Training was fine. Thing to keep in mind is, if they had spent time making a bigger game that would delay time from making Skyward Sword. I love Majora's Mask but I doubt a Majora's Mask style game could have been made in the same time frame as Crossbow Training was.

[@theothenintendomaster3717]

This Alternate "'Twilight Princess 2"' Probably could have released in late 2008 or early 2009.

[@EpicTechJunk1e]

I'd have preferred a full sequel, though Midna The little Imp was a big selling point for me, she really was a great character.

[@59rlmccormack]

One game I would love to try down the road.

[@melissaortego4244]

A Full Sequel! Please!

[@wildbard4112]

We need a sequel where the Hero of Twilight exploree the Twilight Realm

[@midnightnavigator]

That would kinda make its ending cheap. It was a powerful ending because if Midnas sacrifice.

[@wildbard4112]

@midnightnavigator I'm sure there is a way to make it all fit together without cheapening anything

[@DemonicAdj]

@wildbard4112 There's a slight hook in Rusl's intro dialog about twilight being the time of day that their worlds overlap. It could mirror Majora's Mask that trying to find a way is the catalyst of his quest, and let that drag him to new lands. From there, it can pick another plot. I'm also kinda hoping that Link is joined on his adventures by the Bulbin Gang. Either as his allies in battle, or just scouting ahead in different regions. Lol, or have them be a Red Dead Redemption-style posse where they set up a camp or camps and the Bulbins chill at camp when you drop by.

[@wildbard4112]

@@DemonicAdj Also Zant was able to travel between both dimensions without the mirror

[@homerman76]

My thoughts are similar to yours, it's a fantastic and fun game to play through if you want some quick fun, but I really do wish we could have gotten a proper sequel to Twilight Princess.

[@EvilExcalibur]

2:17 we probably have seen those stories already given the team's penchant for reviving old, discarded ideas in new games many years later such as the horseback combat from OOT showing up in TP. Or the dual timeline mechanic of OOT which was an idea from the early development of the very first Zelda game. In fact with how out of step SS was with the rest of the franchise on its first release I'd wager that that particular game was influenced by the development of Crossbow Training.

[@BR-jw7pm]

Now I wish we got a TP sequel cuz TP is my 2nd fave Zelda!

[@alliesangalli1757]

I wonder how much a TP sequel would've actually been what people envision now. We saw how people horribly misconstrued what Retro's Sheik game actually was. I'd love to learn definitively what their original designs for this were.

[@yatanogarasu]

The next Zelda game should have Link wielding actual firearms, like Shadow the Hedgehog.

[@DevinTheDP]

I didn't even know this game existed, but if they made a full Twilight Princess sequel, I would have gotten that in a heart beat! Who cares if making a "grand story" would take longer, the fans would want it! I'm sure they realized this later, as now we got Tears of the Kingdom as a full sequel instead of just more side stories as DLC. (Although more Zelda content in any form is welcomed in my opinion ^^)

[@ericsan4344]

I would’ve liked to see Termina depicted by the TP graphics in a new game or some new dimension Link travels to. I had never heard of this shooting game till now.

[@SarukiKnight]

Despite the fact most people my age played Ocarina of Time as their first Zelda game, TP is my actual first. While it is not my favorite, though not by much, I love the game. I remember at the time people kept asking for a sequel for it. Interesting that Tears of the Kingdom had the opposite treatment.

[@tontocorazon]

I want whatever Miyamoto was smoking

[@Bubbleboots2]

Shoutout To my childhood didn’t have any Zelda game expect links crossbow shooter

[@starscythe2099]

A Terminator Link was “thsnkfully,” vetoed? Thankfully? Are you nuts. That would have been sick!

[@HerKneeUgh]

This is the only game I’ve ever speed run.

[@Bridget-g7q]

I wish they made a full sequel to twilight princess bc it’s my fav Zelda game and that’s sayin something

[@DKCreo]

These type of arcade styled games are supposed to be short, and really the issue at hand isn't the length - it's the scoring system. It's not the only concern, (the game absolutely required more boss encounters despite Miyamoto's dumb persistence about it, for example) but the scoring system having more thought and depth would breathe life into the replayability of the game without changing its identity entirely. That said, I bought it on release and would much rather have had a TP sequel.

[@haleman1704]

I feel like the Crossbow Training could have been part of the main game (Twilight Princess) if the developers would have had more time to implement it. I feel like this would have been great as a way to make the Hyrule Field more lively. If I remember correctly, LCT plus the Zapper was 20 Euros / 20 Dollars, so I don't think you can complain too much. And yet, I agree that a true extension of Twilight Princess would have been better.

[@scottydc]

we been eating good with the Zeltik uploads recently hell yeaa

[@lucashummel5952]

It was a short game but me and my brother both enjoyed links crossbow training! I didn’t but it cause I was a kid so I can’t be mad about price or anything. I enjoyed it when I played it

[@Feanor026]

I had a great time on that game at its release but I must admit I would have loved a TP sequel without the wolf transformation, only this link in that world.

[@animex75]

To be perfectly honest, I completely forgot that this game exists.

[@gabrielg4627]

I feel like if the game was trying to be what kid icarus uprising did

[@doclouis4236]

Thank You, Miyamoto. This and Star Fox Zero are probably the best decisions you ever made and have not made me angry in the slightest bit😒

[@link1117]

But that's like how the windwaker console sequel got scrapped for Twilight Princess

[@brandonkocanda5413]

In an alternate universe the siqual was made

[@chrislevack405]

Zelderadventures.

[@lapiskeing538]

Honestly, I wish I’d bring it back for the switch and expand upon it

[@AyakaruJuuhachi]

This felt like the murder of a franchise, and I believe miyamoto should stand trial for murder in the first degree