How To Attack 25+ Dark Fog Bases? | MAX DIFFICULTY | #10 | Dyson Sphere Program | Lets Play

[@SalvaBarbus]

Well, you can clearly see that everybody who went "why don't you just..." hasn't touched max difficulty with a 10-meter laser power pole. Because holy hell was this difficult! Watching this live on twitch was certainly a privilege.

[@AdamSaxton]

Agreed! it was fun watching it live on the Twitch stream. Nilaus was way calmer and measured in the KZbin video then the Twitch stream. It was very frustrating and stressful, but he got there!

[@doctort2853]

This is close to max difficulty but not quite. 3000% includes 0.1x resources which is a hell lot more difficult

[@PyroYeet]

@@doctort2853 they are purely referring to enemy difficulty

[@doctort2853]

@@PyroYeet yeah I guess, but a lot of the early mid strategy won’t work on 0.1x resources. Gotta min max quite a bit before even having a chance

[@PyroYeet]

@@doctort2853 I mean, you'd have to rush to not run out of resources yeah

[@Italianburrito]

"We shall fire so many missiles as to blot out the sun!" -Nilaus, probably.

[@chadb2827]

These videos just dont come out fast enough! I LOVE this series. Probably the best Nilaus has produced to date!

[@ZergIsUnderpowered]

41:43 Beautiful shot

[@corscott5]

Watching this at 1am, starting to get sleepy, only to get flashbanged @ 4:16

[@BramWarrick]

This was the best youtube I've seen you produce. The last one and this one are some of the best youtube vids I've seen on YT in a long while. Whether you do as I suggest below or not - I'm sure you'll endure and be effective. 🙂 To offer a requested "why don't you just..." The Landfall base looks stable for now. If your other planets can support two landfall bases, I'd consider: * Bump the remote demand for ammo and power - turn on supply local, equip ISTMs with logistics drones (for later) * Let those fill up, while you run back home * Stock up on buildings, belts, all the fun gizmos that make the base work * Put down a second Landfall base. If one is stable, two is likely destabilizing. * Place second Landfall based on a re-review of the planet - most likely using a space near the first base. * Set second Landfall base to pull ammo and energy locally so they top up quickly. Once full - turn off local demand and turn on remote demand. * Obviously, use the glorious Battlefield Analysis buildings to build out super quick.

[@starburst98]

It is just about pressure, the bases have resource maximums and gather rates. Sending out attacks uses resources faster than they can gather. So just keep attacking a base and eventually it will just run out of resources.

[@laimonis156]

My farm reached level 16 and then stopped. i had to go to another solar system. i'm running out of unipolar magnets, only 3mil left (with 29% ore loss)

[@laimonis156]

@@paradoxtwozerosixthree1661 i want the farm to reach lvl24 because unipolar magnets will run out soon. i made a fortress on 1/3 of the planet and there are already 6 lvl10 planet bases.

[@laimonis156]

7th planet base appeared. it's time to put more defences.

[@Beregorn88]

also known as the "Brannigan's gambit"...

[@joelv4495]

​@@paradoxtwozerosixthree1661 worth noting: when you defend the fog attacks, the hive aggro does not increase. If you aggro the surface fog defense, the space hive percentage goes up.

[@viltur83]

Now all you need is a blueprint with 2 signal 2 battles 4 windturbins Then you can go on the offense (Windturbins are more reliable than solar and then you also don't need to worry about bitter attacking electric polea)

[@ThomasG1971]

One possibility for the base ... add on a second ring about 1/2 to 3/4 of the way out with a double ring of cannons .. then once you know those are safe add in more missile launchers to ramp up your damage potential... as long as your main base can handle production and transport the next possibility would be to set up one or two more landfall bases in the same ring your on... work your way around the hemisphere ... then take out all the bases towards the pole and then work your way to the equator ... then set up a line of missile launchers all the way around and then work your way to the last pole from there... or leave the opposite side of the planet as a farm and just have bases at the equator picking up the loot and use cannons/lasers instead of Missiles Those are my thoughts on it... loving the series and looking forward to more to come

[@RBAWintrow]

Thank you for making this series!

[@NutsAndThighs]

Loving this series. Changing the color of decorative foundation tiles (2:25) is something I didn't even notice was a feature, always learn something new watching a Nilaus video :)

[@merendell]

well if you have room one option might be to stamp down another copy of that base on either side of the first one. 3 might be enough to start pushing outwards. Baring that probably extend a ring of battlefield bases out as far as you can safetly manage and fill the inside with more turrets. I think the biggest issue will be enough throughput from y our home planet.

[@johncundiss9098]

I do have a desire to have ether an option to turn on or off power plants, solar or wind based on what other fuel is available. Or just be able to maybe tell a power gen to run full bore if it needs it or not. Something like that. A power pole you can turn on based on conditions. Good video as always.

[@salemprompthous3820]

Power management, totally agree. DSP would benefit a lot by this feature

[@manoflead643]

A priority system for what source of power to use first, yeah!

[@Reoh0z]

I also use those repair stations as my outer layer. Initially they were moved out to do a better job picking things up but they worked out well.

[@philaziz2917]

You can change the Missile turrets to target Space on targets and they will lose there shuttles - Once the shuttle dies the base will slowly drain away it's resources and you have an easier time clearing bases once they are drained. This will trigger the space attacks so you need to have shields placed and more missile turrets on your homeworld set to space.

[@seanhunter111]

Really enjoying this series. I can see how "Why don't you just..." must be frustrating given the extreme difficulty. I think your approach has been amazing, patiently building up and relying on good design and forward planning to build effective defenses before taking the fight to the enemy (only when you have the upper hand so can crush them). It feels a very "Nilaus" way to do it. It feels like when you're ready to go on the offensive, making use of additional power from the lava seams may be useful as long as that doesn't become a weak spot. I could see a strategy where you build some geothermal, build a bunch of lasers that use that geothermal and creep outwards a bit like that. It feels right now like you will need at least 4 or 5x your current firepower to be able to actually overwhelm them, and the lag time to fetch missiles and cannon ammo from your home world might be too much if you scaled up the current setup. Either way I think what you're doing is great.

[@terrencemartin2621]

I use the following approach based on what I observed, you want to exploit the simple Darkfog target acquisition priority to your advantage. Also use the drop and pickup technique for the signal towers. The priority for the Darkfog is the nearest signal tower, unless they are under active bombardment. In that situation the Darkfog will head straight to the source of the rocket barrage. You do not want your target painting signal tower to be on the path to your rockets, but at an oblique angle to your path of rockets (say 70-90deg). Drop the tower, paint the target, and pull it up. Wait for them to depart, then pop it down to paint the buildings. That way the signal tower will not be overrun and destroyed by the wave of Darkfog units. This has a few benefits 1. The enemy will uncover the base buildings allowing your rockets to hit the high priority targets, the buildings 2. The enemy units will come into contact with your artillery, which is better suited for dealing with waves of small units 3. You will spend a lot less signal towers on the assault Now that is definitely not going to be easy on the first two or three bases on such a heavily infested planet. However once you can flank with signal towers this becomes a lot easier to eliminate bases. Remember though, rockets are planetwide. The game is in 3 dimensions, which is what is so cool about Dyson Sphere Project! Think forward observation bases. On such a power abundant planet like that you could use some geothermal to open up a forward observation base, even on the other side of the planet with minimal disruption. At least compared to your massive beacon of your fire base. Then reach out with signal towers and paint Darkfog bases around you. The units will run to the rockets, even across the entire planet, rather than your piddly little signal tower!

[@jordanhoman0212]

11:00 Seems like it's the other way around. Solar is on top of the Exchangers. The exchangers output the amount being consumed, rather than (consumption - generation). Maybe it's an issue with the exchangers "generating" power, but that shows on a different line called "Discharge".

[@lamer5799]

I think a factorion style turret creep with the cannons might be best to establish a perimeter or defensive line to begin resource extraction and build a larger offensive missile battery.

[@circuitguy9750]

At the risk of "you should just" (and I have played w/ max dark fog). Make sure you have enough power to put up shield generators (for all planets in the system) and let those missile launchers hit upper air. The bases without the relay stations start losing energy and wither away pretty quickly. Unfortunately you'll make some new friends pretty quick. :)

[@deanlawson6880]

Wow great action episode Nilaus! It's so interesting to see how you handle this overwhelming DF infested planet! Excellent! Thanks for this!!

[@Alron222]

In my experience there are 2 ways to take over a planet like this one. You can either keep attacking each base until it runs out of energy (this is a SLOW process to do for the entire planet, and only gets slower the further you get away from your fortress). Or the other way is to set up some space defenses on your planets, then destroy the relay stations with your missile turrets. After that, the bases quickly run out of energy and can't produce more units so you can take them out.

[@christianvanderstap6257]

That will mean incoming attacks from the space hives as well. So that needs some prepping on the other planets. Could work, since this is the last planet and that would start the starving process.

[@doctort2853]

Nice one. Not sure how fierce the attack from space will be but clearing the bases from ground will probably also trigger that anyway. So maybe just attack the relay station. I am stuck at the same spot and I will try that too :)

[@prototype21]

Few questions: what are "some spaces defenses", how do you get missile turrets to attack a relay station which is in orbit & not ground. Where do you find the copper needed to spam missiles at the ground command base if thats what you actually meant for my second question. And how do you run them out of energy without increasing the hive's threat?

[@doctort2853]

@@prototype21 you can attack a relay station by setting missile turret to attack high air, which is the third option. It is off by default and you can turn it on. You don’t even need a signal tower in most cases you shoot almost globally. By destroying the relay station you will cut off energy for the ground base and material (from this ground base) to space hive. And I assume some space defense means missile turrets + shield for early-mid games. Quantity depends on the difficulty chosen.

[@Alron222]

@@prototype21 Space defenses means that you get planetary shields to cover your infrastructure, and ideally all your entire colonized planets. Also missile turrets, on max difficulty you'd need at least 20 per planet i would think, but more means that your shields will take less punishment. Copper you will have enough unless you are playing on scarce resources or you already used it all, then you have to set up a dark fog farm and save up. I believe 1 missile is 10 copper total, so if you have 20000 copper left that should be enough to cover 2 planets from at least the first hive atttacks. The shields will cost you a ton of energy though, so save up some batteries and get lots of coal or oil power. Or even better hydrogen if you have managed to unlock orbital collectors. If you want to run them out of energy the hard way, you continually attack the guardians (the spinny star units circling above the base) and keep repelling their attacks. This will mean the whole planet attacks you, but at some point the attacks from that base will stop for a short time as the base has run out of energy and needs to get more shipments from the hive. In that window you can destroy the core of the base, and then the rest of the buildings. But all in all, I think that strategy would cost you even more copper unless you have a very good laser turret setup to defend you, which is very tricky because laser turrets hard had to use to repel mass attacks. This strategy will also increase the hives threat a bit, there is no way around it. But not nearly as much as attacking the relay stations.

[@eccles714]

I audibly yelped when you powered the base up the first time! XD This is truly insanity!!

[@phmo3660]

Tremendous episode. I have no idea how to go on offensive with this many. Will be interesting.

[@AbsoluteHuman]

WAIT! Exchangers don't remove the proliferation from the accumulators? They are just permanently more powerful? TIL really... That's a game changer!

[@tikey258]

Make the Missle turrets focus on ground targets and creep forwards with signal towers. Also Implosion cannons are nice for making little bases all over the planet to prevent recolonization while you are cleaning up.

[@kavitiko335]

If you really want to YOLO: one really agressive thing to do would be to ensure your planets are sheilded from bombardment, and then set Missile turrets to destroy the relays. The bases run out of power pretty quickly during assaults and so you can wipe the map of them while the 3 Hives are assaulting a planet without drawing additional aggro. I had plasma turrets operational by that point however, doing it with missile turrets might be too slow.

[@cplhobs6045]

I think with the lava planet at this difficultly to clear the planet bases out you need to get your planet shields and plasma turrets set up on your other planets to defend against hive attacks and destroy the relays on the lava planet then use the missile turrets to clear the unpowered bases out will be the easiest way. If you use the corvets set to attack relays you should be able to kill all of them on the lava planet with only causing 2 or 3 hive attacks at most.

[@Vashtstamped]

but you need tons of titanium which is the reason to take the lava planet

[@xDNightmarex]

Did something similar on my occupied planet (not 25 bases only 13 but all level 20+) and what worked the best for attacking: Hit & Run with only signal towers. Once everything has settled in a bit with raids, only leash out to a single nest and get one volley onto them and quickly retreat the towers. All other nests will try to find you at the location where you placed you last tower and if you + your buildings are gone, they will simply end the raid and retreat.. rince and repeat until done.. takes ages in the beginning because not much space / repairs between attacks / lots of units to retreat but gets faster with every nest you clear because you can safely leave half of your signal-tower-trail standing without any unit crossing it's path.

[@TheseAreWeirdTimes]

I very much enjoyed this episode. Brilliant. The concept of the fortress literally defended itself. Now I'm curious how you'll handle the offensive, cuz, well... it's much to chew through on this planet, lol And, I dare to remind you, it'll be the last step - on your road to conquest - before the culmination point in this system: defeating the space hives. Damn, I'm waiting for that, popcorn ready! 😁

[@jirioto6089]

I know how deep that rabbit hole goes. Good stuff.

[@wolfzero7728]

This series has inspired me to try a one planet challenge. Thank you for such good videos.

[@MasterOfYoda]

To take out the 20+ fog bases on my lava planet I rushed corvettes and killed all relays from space after setting up planetary shields on the other 2 planets. Then I stamped down several turret sets on different sides of the planet set to kill any approaching relays. Made cleaning up 20+ massive level 25 fog bases somewhat manageable as they were unpowered and couldn't produce more units.

[@Vashtstamped]

how did you get titanium?

[@MasterOfYoda]

@@Vashtstamped I set up laser turret fog farms on the main planet, the titanium drop from them is reduced but enough to keep the science going. And the second planet had around 200k titanium so I had enough.

[@micheljolicoeur6094]

Awesome build, as to going on the offensive the only thing I can think of is if the relays are losing power and if you can survive that long or you just sit tight and get the items needed to research better ships, ammunition and building upgrades to increase your durability and firepower.

[@sunRay04]

Despite not watching the video, im sure it will be quite nice

[@Eagle6Airsoft]

Defogger works great. I defo think they will need to add to the combat to make it hard. Or rockets get nerfed, one or the other. I just walk around the planet placing signal towers and everything gets wiped as you walk through it.

[@NutsAndThighs]

Yeah it seems like there's definitely room for improvement to the mechanics. Rockets + Signal towers just seem too good, not sure what the best approach would be, whether straight nerf or they rework how signal towers function to an extent. I also wouldn't mind seeing more defensive tech, walls would be a welcome addition IMO, given the space setting there's ample thematic room for wall types, from simpler physical ones (stone>metals>etc.) to more advanced "laser" walls or other space-y technology.

[@PenguinSage]

​@@NutsAndThighsI think reducing the range of tier 1 rockets would go a long way. Tier 2 is pretty expensive midgame so it would be somewhat balanced by resource and production cost. Tier 1s are too good for being so simple to make.

[@melind82]

Coooooool. Now that you have your foothold might be worth adding another full ring of implosion cannons and BABs to really harden the base against the larger attacks that will come. I still think making landfall somewhere else and attacking without signal towers is the play for taking the planet. Old school cannon creep. The real question in my mind is if a signal tower can intercept the frenzy from attacking a fog base, if so you should be golden with this strategy.

[@pm0neypenny]

This is insane, Great ep!

[@MrSaywutnow]

My only suggestion on how to advance is to just stamp down more fortresses :-D

[@angelas5292]

oh man whatever the offensive is gonna be, you have a very real threat of a pending hive attack if you piss it off enough! here's hoping it works out! excited to see how this goes either way

[@Reoh0z]

> "It's an older video, but it checks out." Just fly casual, but don't look like you're flying casual.

[@BMO_Creative]

Only Nilaus can fit 10 pounds of arms and ammo in a 5 pound bag! LOL

[@M3dicayne]

Well, the only planet I can remember seeing that many Dark Fog bases was in the black hole system. And I used it to get the stuff to get the special Dark Fog science stuff - unfortunately, I did a major mistake. When having the only left ground base at level 16, I thought about wiping one space hive (from two in total) from existence. Nice plan, beautifully executed and then - after a looong while - I noticed I do not get anything from that system anymore and checked it out. I still got my base and they got theirs - but just the buildings and not a single enemy. It seems ground bases and space hives are connected on a even deeper level - not only need the space hives the ground bases for materials, the ground bases need the space hives for energy. If one is missing, the other one will die out. And I accidentally took the wrong space hive out. Ground bases have the greek symbol of their corresponding space hive next to their names when clicking on them... An important thing I totally missed.

[@catsoelite2551]

You should perform a war of attrition, since you can have tens of thousands of missiles stored in your tower and your frontier outpost seems to be very resilent, you can pull their forces and destroy them until they run out of vehicles, then move in and bombard them with millions of tons of thermobaric missiles

[@joshthompson8478]

*dark fog sees nilaus land Enemy? 2:20 *Insert SpongeBob meme " You planted grass"?

[@SyverX]

Import Fighing Drones and distribute them to the Battle Analytics Stations or so

[@ZexMaxwell]

The wonders of building on a sphere.

[@cryptoparaglider4947]

Very entertaining series.Thank you very much for the blueprints! Please play with the turret group settings and the supernova weapon in the Landfall Base. Cheers!

[@salemprompthous3820]

Activating Supernova (which is a feature on all weapons, not a weapon in and of itself. Referring to your choice of words) is more of "Hail-Mary", and most effective against space attacks, as it increases both damage and splash damage (maybe more stats are affected, not 100% sure). Orbital attacks are spread out more than ground units tend to be. Looking at the Hive threat, activating Supernova might become useful next episode, though

[@nicholaspavelka7435]

It's an older video but it checks out... come for the game content stay for the Star Wars humor.

[@Rezinstance]

Something that needs to be done is to remove the 2 power poles on the four corners and replace them with a signal tower to give your missile turrets additional range on the outside corners, on top of just being more durable power providers for the corner turrets. Second, this is a good blueprint to just set down one at a time, doing what you can to make sure it goes up (like prioritising the battlefield stations for faster construction, using the initial fortresses power to do so) ASAP and just push with multiple of these blueprints one at a time, it'll be slow going, but you should slowly wittle down and destroy one base at a time.

[@kingslayer2]

cannon crawl blueprint for offensive line of cannons line of rockets and just stamp ILS as well for the ammo cause of belt speed

[@Vampirspiegelei]

At least it's a target rich environment! 👍 Also shouldn't it be called Planetfall Fortress?

[@SYL3NZR]

cases like this is why we have that orbital bombard slot in our weapons/ammo tab

[@crazymammoth]

that was awesome

[@Sanchuniathon384]

I think it's all about the ratio of turret attack capacity to dark fog unit attack capacity. You have to outproduce in volume, so a second landfall base might give you enough firepower to start the signal tower creep strategy while protecting your assets. You might want to do a signal tower "area" creep instead of a single line now.

[@jinhong91]

I think you could try extending out your missile turrets by 1 line and cover it up with another line of BABs for more firepower. You then use that extra firepower to takedown the dark fog base one by one You can then build even more turrets on the ground that you just gained to have an easier time to push back the dark fog bases

[@JeneralMills]

it's already a lava planet so i suggest towing meteors from space to fling at the planet orbital bombardment style

[@salemprompthous3820]

"Planetary Annihilation" style! 😅 (Another great game)

[@platinummontu]

I tried this on a planet with 20+ bases. They steam rolled me twice. I had unlocked space fleet though so I rolled through the upper atmosphere destroying their orbital base. This upset the hive but my other planets had shields and missles and felt they could handle the ships they would throw. Without the orbital base the planetary bases don't reinforce or build, like they have no power so you just have to kill off current units and clean up the planet. Grants I am just barely breaching green science for this strat but it made clearing the planet on max difficulty super easy. Didn't help that my landfall location with this design had 3 bases next to me so when they started raid got dump from base defences as well which overwhelmed me. I didn't put fighters in BF bases, might have helped alot.

[@omnimous69]

Your Attack pattern blueprint instead of just the tower and those two repair/build units, quadruple that and toss in a good amount of laser turrets to really maximize the push. You could even go so far ans to run it in a strait line and run ammo out there on lvl 3 belts if you wanted to get technical about it. Another thought is to double up on the build you made there and make a second on the same planet and then supplying power at the same time. IDK, I'm just spit balling

[@salemprompthous3820]

Nilaus don't have Mk3 belts yet, though, but otherwise I think I'll try your idea for my own run 😊

[@DrDoktor60]

Both planets in my starter system looks like that. RIP 🪦

[@Vashtstamped]

Your play thru is super lucky, I got to the lava planet and there are over 24 bases on it and no room to land on and build up anything lol. I did manage to build a landfall fortress but it aggros 4 bases as soon as it shoots. love the series just dont know what I am going to do now, try another reroll and hit the lava planet sooner I guess.

[@lesgibson3658]

Very nice!

[@plastictouch6796]

What if instead of the loot sorter you just set up a bunch of battlefield stations with different item filters. As opposed to setting up the loot sorter in the earlier game. Would that be more efficient than placing the loot on a belt to pass through the various filters? That could create a problem of say an item being dropped on the opposite side of the defensive line out of reach of where the station can pick it up, but in that case maybe you could set up a few unfiltered slots which do place stuff on a belt to pass down the line? But that might cause a problem where you end up dumping the things you want onto the belt. Darn if only you could filter the inserters in such a way as to not moving a specific item as opposed to only moving a specific item. Maybe there is a workaround that that can be created with splitters, but maybe by that point it gets too complicated and the regular loot sorter is just easier.

[@dunnpahineh640]

Yikes, that situation looks painful. I am unsure that fortress is up to par, like you said, there isn't enough missile turrets to go on the offensive. One help could be to incorporate the lasers into the forward bases to help with the defense response and use multiple FOB to support the main one with incorporated lasers. Like a delta or triangle formation. Once you place your main tower and set them off the rest of the formation will defend and aggro the units away after the signal tower is destroyed leaving an opportunity to replace it while the units engaging the supporting assets and the unit replicators are on a cool down. That should leave enough time for one tower to be in the heat of things to get the targeting for a decent volley against the main core. Tt might take a couple rounds. The main thing is to watch your health because it isn't obvious when their laser and plasma towers are ripping you to pieces and it is easy to be to close, especially while flying when it seems like a line of site thing with those defense lasers. I would recommend the implosion cannons with the forward bases, but it is such a pain to manually load them. Maybe a blueprint with them included with a box/splitter feed. It all should be great content later. Good luck.

[@YouCountSheep]

Once more, do not use so many signal towers to push, extend power with something else, maybe wind turbines, put a signal tower down for a second to get a barrage and pull back. Or a cannon line with BABs but without signal towers and again just a signal tower for one or two shots. Otherwise you will drag all attacking waves from that side of the planet to your signal towers at the front and not to your base where you have more cannons and repair BABs than you have at your offense extension.

[@hawken347]

My understanding is that the energy exchangers take priority over the other energy sources when they deliver power. So when they calculate how much power they need to deliver, they just ignore that there are other power sources on the network. Example: If your network needs 30MW, generates 100MW by other ways, and you have an energy exchanger. It will output 30MW and the other energy is just wasted. My way to fix this is to have 1:1 ratio of exchangers discharging and charging. The discharging ones max out the charging ones, but when there is not enough power on the network they charge slower. When there is plenty energy on the network, you need even more chargers to make use of that.

[@salemprompthous3820]

If I remember correctly, your understanding of how exchangers work, is what Nilaus said in his video on them.

[@christianvanderstap6257]

Thanks for the excellent explanation, the penny finally dropped for me.

[@hawken347]

@@salemprompthous3820 I probably learned it from Nilaus yeah :)

[@ssShockRyder]

Tip they won't agro if you turn off all weapons and air units i have had to mine from right under the nose of a planet like this to get unipolar magnets

[@Alavaria]

Now this is handy, you could pull a bunch of stuff, stick into a tower (unpowered, just a spot for the home ships to pick up from) and get a bunch of stuff home. Maybe in steps if the "raid" would destroy the tower then you'd need to have everything off before dropping and loading your tower so they won't raid your tower full of loaded up goodies

[@salemprompthous3820]

Mining still consumes power from Icarus, so after a while, the fog will roll in on Icarus. A lot less threat from it's imternal engine than what a single wind turbine gets, but still. (Not trying to say it can't be done, just saying that they will aggro at some point, as long as something (other than the fog themselves, like Icarus' internal engine) uses power. And Icarus uses quite a lot of power taking off into orbit. Go back and forth enough times, and Icarus will get attacked as soon as it lands. This happened to me when trying to get some titanium. After having Icarus set to mine Titanium manually, I went afk as the inventory slowly filled up. About two hours later, I sent Icarus back to get it all smelted and processed. Icarus then got destroyed shortly after landing on the titanium planet, during it's trip to set up my first ILT tower for passive collection. Didn't have a farm set up, as I have pretty much the same sentiment as Nilaus on this matter)

[@Alavaria]

@@salemprompthous3820 Thanks, I now know to plan around this, if basically taking off just once means no more going back on max difficulty... ok, it might be possible even on minimum resources to scrounge enough titanium on the starter planet (from the basic rocks you can break) to get the Interplanetary Towers, then land on the fog-occupied planet, and by my looking at the threat meter while mining, pull like 60,000 titanium from it, and have an unpowered tower as a passive pickup point. That might be enough to get at the basic warpers (via graviton lens), which then mean you can try going elsewhere to grab stuff. Ideally an unoccupied system I suppose.. (Though it's been pointed out the game would let you literally slowboat over without warping. It also takes like couple hours to arrive which would be an annoying round trip, even more if you ended up in an occupied spot. but you could at least get a Tower down, and then pull another set of titanium (the logistics ships can also slowboat, which I think without the research they do faster than you). Which would be rather hilarious (but would definitely be enough to research and have warpers when you got back home)

[@glassEmmm]

The way I took out my planet with 25 bases on max darg fog was made a bunch of corvettes had a bunch of plasma turrets and then just destroyed all the relays with the corvettes and weathered the space invasion

[@Vashtstamped]

so you manually mined about 10k titanium

[@MikelNaUsaCom]

nice job.

[@bamboo8750]

Sorry for beeing so direct... But I want to ask if you will make a UNCUT lets play of DSP were you show us everything that we need to know about the game if we are a beginner.

[@Nilaus]

Watch the licestream or the vods

[@Belnivek]

The issues you have with a dark fog mine can be solved by building it on a secondary planet and shiping materials back home.

[@uwebockwurst9613]

Maybe you can sustain a second/third base to spread the pressure. Or you can have a planetary shield on your Main Planet and do it quick on the Lava Planet with small sections of missile Turner aiming for the mid Air Thingy you know. EDIT: Im actually playing on max diff right now.I tried to fight over 20 Relay Stations myself, not on the planet but from space. It was very easy, i just had to fight the dark fog hive on my homeplanet. They cant actually reach you if you dont enter the planet. I had corvettes and destroyers with me.

[@gtokarz2]

You can try charging super nova ability for nice mass burst of rockets

[@chimmy_jim]

Not read for this level of anxiety right after waking up

[@doctort2853]

Playing on difficulty 879% (2x resources, 500% power threat level instead of 1000% but everything else is the same) and I am also stuck at this place. I can set up a foot hold on the lava planet but not unsure how to purge it. Also built 40+ missile turrets and loads of BAB and signal towers, powered by geothermal so a bit easier to sustain. The difficulty is to attack. Anything goes into the range of their turrets gets sniped out instantly, and there is no way to efficiently clear out their structure as they constantly streams stuff out to me and attracts all of my missiles

[@chemie7037]

I agree implosion cannons a best for defense but I prefer to go all missiles since they can perform all roles. They are good enough for defense and can pivot to offense as soon as you start dropping the signal towers towards the bases. This simplifies management of turret and ammo too. so "why don't you just...." go for mass (~120) missile turrets?

[@deksroning125]

Fascinating... especially because I tried this setup and for some reason, I don't have enough power for this base with this kind of a power source... which of course is impeding the launch of missiles, and then all other dark fog bases launch attacks on me. I'm not sure how you're getting enough power for the entire base from those two dischargers, but my base is in the red all the time - aka insufficient power. My Dark Fog isn't set to maximum though... almost all settings are at maximum, except the power level and DF base level? I think those I set to 7 instead... and I STILL can't do this planet for some reason (and I'm running out of Iron elsewhere). I think the problem with the power consumption are the two interstellar stations... they just suck up too much energy, so I'll probably leave them unpowered for now.

[@TheBlackArcane1206]

I dont know how well you can support it but could you stamp down additional landfall fortress' elsewhere on world to break up the waves to different locations?

[@TheEnderRealms]

I haven't messed around much with planetary shields, but i'm just curious if they block land-based attacks, from the planetary bases, if so, couldn't ya put that down, and litter the perimeter with more guns and less basses for repairs and such? Might also help when the Hives eventually launch their attacks, with there threats ever increasing over the series.

[@salemprompthous3820]

Planetary Shields are only effective against orbital attacks. Has zero effect versus ground units. A structure providing a lower shield against geound units is a nice idea, though. Probably a mod for that 😊

[@christianvanderstap6257]

Read the tooltip on shields :)

[@salemprompthous3820]

At the end of the episode, with the attempted attack, that Hive threat looked a bit daunting 😅

[@mpmmuirhead]

Why don't you just beat the dark fog with a big stick. Never fails

[@salemprompthous3820]

🤣🤣

[@Riquid]

feels like you dont even have to go to the offensive. you can just use the landfall fortress to farm titanium and the other stuff with how much they attack.

[@christianvanderstap6257]

That is not sustainable since the drop rebalance

[@Lilsten63]

Well the discharged module is just basic electricity sh.t on open network they try to charged all structure connected ..

[@filipcarvalho12]

you cannset loot drop filters so the drop collectorsmactually just pick up the items you set them to without having to watermark the entire thing it is in the triangle down left on the battle field analysysnbuilding

[@Iconat20]

"Why don't you just" stamp down like 3 more of these landfall fortresses. That'll do it surely.

[@grellah]

Stronger munitions, more guns

[@tellishall7315]

I'm playing along and when I get the fortress set up the dark fog stays in constant raid mode and after a few minutes overwhelms me every time. May need to resort to gettting corvettes and taking out relays because I can't even hold a fob base down without getting over ran. Need titanium ASAP.

[@stevenape377]

Wait... energy exchangers care about proliferation now?

[@positivelyacademical1519]

WDYJ build another copy of that base a few tiles over from the original?

[@Reoh0z]

> "How to go on the offensive?" Build another, and if you need yet another.

[@Reoh0z]

Perhaps clearing to the poles and securing both so you have large missile support coming from not far off anywhere on the planet.

[@shietinghd3020]

The problem is by Max Dark fog, it is a Resource match who first run out of Materials Loses. the problem is that they have 22 Bases with high regan. Yea you will not be possible to take over the planet without High rocket lv.

[@cainau]

33:20 - Instead of manually putting in all the precision drones, couldn't you just use the auto-fill arrow thing in the blueprint, similar to how the fidget spinners get automatically added to the hats? You'd still need to manually add your half stacks to the storage, but it should make things a little bit more streamlined.

[@Nilaus]

Doesn't work for attack drones

[@cainau]

I see. I haven't bothered with the drones much, and had forgotten how they work. The auto-replenishment only moves drones from the BAB's inventory to its defense module, it doesn't take them from your own inventory. Seems silly to me, but you are of course correct that my suggestion does not work.

[@andreipimenau7232]

Why don't you just put a shield and config one tower to low orbit?

[@Reoh0z]

Obviously wouldn't apply to this planet, you needed to clear it for the titanium. But in the future if you did want to do some farming why not assign a heavily infested planet as a designated farm world. Set up some defences at the poles or wherever and just ship out the unique or rare resources off world. Once set up you wouldn't have to put up with the noise.

[@salemprompthous3820]

Just make sure your computer can handle it, though. Even if set up on a remote star system, the game still processes every bullet and missile, even if Icarus isn't there to see it

[@TheNipSnipper]

What happens if you destroy the last hive if it still has bases in the system?

[@MrDaliLeo]

To attack, you need to destroy the relay stations. Without them, the bases gradually weaken and it becomes easier to capture the planet. This will provoke Lancer attacks, of course, but for me, the lancers attacked only the home planet. Perhaps because of the higher level of energy production. However, nothing prevents you from putting a shield on this planet too. It is not necessary to kill lancers, it is enough to have shields and a reserve of energy. After a while, they retreat on their own. If you want to destroy them with missiles, you will need a very good supply of missiles. 3 hives can send 300+ lancers (at higher levels). It is easiest to destroy relay stations with corvettes, they are defenseless from space.

[@donbionicle]

Corvettes don't exist yet, he's still only got blue, red and yellow science.

[@Alavaria]

This makes me wonder if the Icarus itself can do enough damage from space. I need to handle (well not so many, like 15) bases as well, but of course with only 0.1x resources and main planet only makes it tricky..

[@MrDaliLeo]

@@Alavaria you'll need to land to destroy bases. From space you can attack relays, without relays they do not replenish units.

[@MrDaliLeo]

@@donbionicle you can destroy relays with rockets, it's longer but it works too (they do not attack relays by default).

[@Alavaria]

Well, you can't take out the relays from space without the space ships (they regenerate). I suppose one could try from a mass of ground rockets but that doesn't seem to really solve it... Then again, I think the Dark Fog might not actually have colonized every single planet in every system so it might be possible to find other places that aren't "taken" and instead set up there to get more resources, would be a bit tricky to get the right stuff to do so with just initial planet's resources though

[@tfmulla]

possible to land a 2nd base on the planet?

[@timonachamp]

maybe you could get more power and do supernova

[@3uphrates]

it's an old video but it checks out ^^

[@briankale5977]

whY dOnt yOU jUst ask them to leave nicely.