How To Avoid A $10k Repair When Your CP4 Pump Fails!

[@densintebjornen]

These guys did a great job. How do I know? Thats my truck in the video. I’m very satisfied with their work. And it’s cool to see my truck on KZbin.

[@DavesAutoCenterCenterville]

Good to hear from you! Thanks for coming to our shop 👍

[@mikesederlin]

How much for the kit? And installation?

[@jesusislord2515]

Can you please tell me how much it cost? I have a 2016 duramax lml and need this done, I need to know how much money to save.

[@josephorlowski4481]

@@mikesederlin kit is like 400

[@SSfueled]

Thanks again for trusting in our products and putting out great videos on them! Seeing Caden give a 10/10 star rating on fit, finish, and install is exactly what we are shooting for on all of our products!

[@HSKFabrications]

Impressive marketing, I give you that. Got the masses fearing the cp4 like the plague.

[@ronniebenoit4081]

Looking to see if I can fit that kit on a 2013 duramax lml. Maybe a little modification? Would like to know your thoughts.

[@anoutdoorsmansjourney]

Looking for the same info as @ronnieboit4081

[@HSKFabrications]

@ronniebenoit4081 In your case they make a cp3 kit for the duramax. That's your best bet. Cp3 flows tons more than dcr and cp4.

[@Retadin]

​@HSKFabrications well there's multiple class action lawsuits over the CP4. They are junk.

[@davidmurray1630]

Love seeing Dave teach young people like Caden to excel in their job and be proud of what they accomplish. Caden did a great job and made it look easy.

[@deliriousnomad]

good stuff young man. im too old to be bending over like that for hours on end...lol

[@moejacob]

What impresses me the most is Caden's patience and thought process. Keep up the great work Caden!

[@mytige20V]

It's great seeing Dave's young mechanics working on diesel truck based on Dave's teaching and trouble shooting habits.

[@wcsoblake85]

Good job, Caden! If you treat Dave like obi wan and absorb everything he tells you, you will be one of the best mechanics out there.

[@nicevid117]

Or he will become Anakin lol

[@jakecalvert3534]

18 minute video, let’s go..quality content, love dave and his team, and i always leave learning something new! which may be my favorite thing haha

[@DavesAutoCenterCenterville]

Wow, thanks!

[@murphtahoe1]

Just a great quality company holding everyone accountable. I like that. I’ll pay more upfront to a business that cares about their workmanship and does it right so I’m not getting screwed. Unfortunately, you don’t see many shops like this anymore. A real shame to have to say that.

[@superdplum]

Absolutely! It’s cheaper in the long run to pay a better shop a little more for repairs. Always thinking one step ahead that Dave!!

[@Sunspot-19]

Dave, I have installed a few of those now. Had a newer F word in a blue oval come in with a no start. Turns out, the CP4 went to the Bahamas on the poor guy. That was a stupedo expensive repair bill. After doing the repair, including a mortgage prevention kit, he had us do his entire fleet. Annnnnd added in Frantz oil filtration kits on all of them. Seems they are doing well since having done the above. The guy is still bringing their fleet to us for routine inspections and services. The best part, these vehicles are spotless everywhere, even under the hood and under vehicle. Makes performing a service and inspection a blessing! Duramax, Ram and Ford corporate engines. I appreciate you, Dave and Co.!!

[@robertmintz63]

I did not know that the Frantz toilet filter kits were still available . Better than that would be AMSOIL filter & a bypass set up as well , which is 98.6* efficient at 2 micron

[@Sunspot-19]

@@robertmintz63 They are still available and I highly recommend them. Our shop actually installs a few each month. It is amazing how they actually flow oil through the roll as well as they do. Frantz also offers an additive to replenish consumed oil additive over time. iirc, TBN is the product. Not to be confused with the TV network!!

[@MrRebar15]

*Dave's Auto Center* Bravo well done, thank-you gentlemen for taking the time to bring us along. GOD Bless.

[@DavesAutoCenterCenterville]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@andrewadam3626]

Thanks!

[@Kevin.W.]

They all have their problems, the thing is, most diesel pickups are grocery getters, it's a prestige thing, "Hey, look what I got". I have a 2007 F250, 5.4L gas, creeping up on 300,000 miles, it never complains, never breaks, just gets me where I'm going everyday with no fuss. The only thing diesel pickups ever did, was raise the price of diesel fuel, years ago, before the diesel pickup fad came along, diesel fuel was about 1/3 the price of gasoline. And 2 or 3 times the cost of changing the oil in a gas motor, along with the other ongoing issues. I already have a high maintenance wife, I don't need a truck to match

[@gregorymalchuk272]

I do not comprehend people who drive enormous diesel trucks as commuter vehicles. I guess people want to be poor forever with their 800 per month payments.

[@bondobilly9369]

The cost went through the roof when the epa did the low sulphur, and now ultra low sulphur. It costs a lot of money to get that stuff out.

[@otterconnor942]

I would love to see diesel hybrids for grocery getters or for the wife. Imagine something like a ford Maverick with a VW 1.9 TDI.

[@selrahc2061]

A friend who is retiring, studies what diesel particulates do to your lungs, it is not good. They studied cab exposure it is worse.

[@AllAmericanAutomotive]

Thankfully the gas motors in 2500s have come a long way since your 5.4 so even for heavier towing applications you can go the gas route safely in many cases.

[@Maniacalchopshop]

I think that young man is a great asset and has a bright future, did a great job.

[@TheTotallyRealXiJinping]

Man y’all’s smiles warm my heart. Keep being yall!

[@andrewadam3626]

Thanks for all your vidios Dave! I put a cp3 conversation kit in my 2011 Duramax about 4 years ago from s&s diesel and a transfer pump they recommended. All working well.

[@Travis8126]

Caden is a good tech, you can tell he takes his time and does the job right! Dave, give him a pay raise! Hard to find good working employees these days 😀

[@Mill72]

Ram had the CP4 on the MY’19-‘20. Then went back to the CP3 ‘21 to present. Stallantis also did a recall on those MY ‘19-‘20 to replace back to the CP3. Ford currently only one utilizing CP4 on the 6.7’s of heavy duty trucks.

[@100pyatt]

Isuzu Duramax is using CP4 too

[@gleanerman2195]

I have fords and chevys, they are idiots still using cp4's, they need to be sued over them. Damn ford put the CDR pumps in.

[@Mill72]

@@100pyatt GM ditched the CP4 in MY17. Went with Delphi fuel system.

[@jeffreyhebda6709]

Should stuff a rag in those open engine pipes ! Love these videos Dave and crew !

[@alexmealy7542]

For all those complaining about Ford 6.7s or diesel engines in general, you should know a few things. 1) The Bosch CP4 fuel pump was also put on the Duramax from 2011-2016 and was used on later Cummins engines. 2) Bosch uses a different alloy and tolerances on the newer pumps, which mostly fixed the problem, which is why Ford still uses the pump. 3) Bad fuel and low lubricidity fuel is the ultimate cause, it’s not specific to the CP4; many older pumps will experience the same issues but classic truck and heavy equipment owners tend to use better quality fuels than what you get out of the pump. S&S kit is necessary for 2011-2014ish Duramax and Powerstroke engines. I have a ‘22 6.7, I plan on keeping it for several hundred thousand miles. I only use bulk fuel from my own tank and run a Cat fuel/water separator and fuel filter. This is already overkill, the S&S kit is great but even more overkill than what I’m doing.

[@cliffyb5896]

I paid $8700 when I bought my 04 LB7 Chevy in 2011 with 133,000 miles. Can't fathom spending more on just a repair. blows the mind.

[@100pyatt]

LB7 uses the reliable CP3 not a pos CP4

[@destinhook3826]

@@100pyattgood injection pump but terrible injectors

[@munozinni]

Hola 👋 señor Dave!!! I’m glad you are an specialist on the diesel engine nightmares 😢…keep up the great content!!! Saludos!!!👋😃👋

[@swizlstik]

Top notch diesel shop!!

[@maxpaul11]

Heck yeah brother! Fix it before it becomes a problem! Nuff said! Thank you for sharing!

[@DavesAutoCenterCenterville]

You bet

[@jaydoubleu101]

I installed that S&S DPK on my 2016. Much easier access if the CCV filter box and EGR cooler are removed, which I still haven't found time to reinstall. And just to add issues, my DPF and DEF mysteriously disappeared.

[@dennishilligoss7386]

The greatest thing about your info., is priceless. Do not purchase one unless you need it!

[@RGP_WA]

Will never have a diesel but enjoyed the video! Thanks Dave!

[@Joker75113]

Nice job Grasshopper 😊👍

[@Amarillobymorning777]

Removed a half of millions bolts just to take off the intake 😊

[@munozinni]

16:46 Great job Caden!!! He is learning from the best!!! Señor Dave is the best teacher in mechanics You guys keep up the great content!!! Saludos!!!👋😃👋

[@DavesAutoCenterCenterville]

You rock! Thanks for the positivity

[@munozinni]

@@DavesAutoCenterCenterville I like to see a young guy with those skills and doing great things instead of doing bad things like just hanging with the gangs…keep up the great work!!! Saludos!!!👋😴👋💤👋

[@jimletzring9791]

The cp4 pump disaster prevention is the old school part. Now S&S has a DCR pump conversion for the Ford.

[@KeithMulhern]

Probably best repair shop on KZbin!

[@DavesAutoCenterCenterville]

Appreciate the good word, Keith!

[@ZMAN_420]

Great High Quality work!👍🏻🇺🇲

[@robertmintz63]

Great instructions to the young man ! Hopefully he did go ahead & change that filter .

[@adrianthayn3110]

The wealth of knowledge that young man is learning is awesome! My grandparents owned a house in Farmington Utahand I lived in Bountiful in the 80s now I live in Houma Louisiana ROCK ON MAN

[@rickjones6798]

That young man is going to be one heck of a mechanic there's going to be nothing he can't work on

[@PorkChopAChunky]

I don't understand how some trucks have such filthy egr systems. I just did their bypass valve on my 2011 duramax. It has 175k on it so I figured I'd be in for a real mess. I was shocked to find everything was very clean. Aside from minor dusty soot covering the surface everything was very clean. The bypass valve wasn't stuck from sludge and just stopped functioning. I do use a splash of marvel mystery oil at every fillup but I would think that would make for more smoke and thus soot. As for my cp4 so far so good. I never let my fuel tank get low and use the additives.

[@jasonnadir]

this is the very first thing that should be installed on a ford 6.7 is the s&s dpk the second it leaves the lot brand new or used absolute must and life saver along with a ccv route kit as well

[@ZonaJim]

I found a pretty easy way to get that back bolt out. Get an extra long 8mm ratcheting wrench with a flex head. The one I use is about 10" long. You can get right on the bolt and get it out easily without messing with that pressure sensor bracket.

[@andrewschram9652]

put one on my dads truck a few weeks ago, mine this week. Super cheap insurance even though i do fuel filters every 10 k miles and run additive in the fuel

[@MrMan5014]

I remember back in the day I could replace my 6.2 or 6.5 diesel with a complete crate engine for less than the price of a fuel system today…there was something to be said about the old tech diesels…they weren’t power houses but they were good on fuel, cheap to buy and maintain, and reasonably reliable!…if someone told me 25 years ago that diesel pickups would have 500hp and 1200lbs of torque I would have said they were crazy!…I still think it’s crazy to be honest!…

[@davidmore190]

Thats gutsy going after those exhaust bolts with an impact! Always use hand tools and a good penetrating oil (50/50 acetone and ATF is my go to).

[@davidnewton6441]

Knowledge is power!!

[@ronniebenoit4081]

2013 duramax lml...putting on my 2nd s&s replacement cp4. Truck has 300k. Hasn't gone out yet but, I like to be ahead of the carnage. Thinking if s&s has a kit for Chevrolet by now.... I'll hafta holler at them

[@robertmintz63]

Having worked as a maintenance man for 20 yrs at Toyota , we were instructed never to use WD40 as a lube anytime rubber was involved , they said it deteriorated the rubber , - use - silicone!

[@angelawerner7696]

Caden is an awesome mechanic.

[@ragnarironspear1791]

Brilliant as always gentlemen 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@DavesAutoCenterCenterville]

Thank you kindly

[@DocJoeStan]

Real content here. Thanks!

[@ar2043]

I gotta say… I'm so happy to get out of work and have a new Dave's Auto video. With that out-of-the-way, I also gotta say… Why even bother owning a diesel? It's just seems to be nightmare after nightmare after nightmare…

[@wayneessar7489]

Better fuel mileage if you carry loads or tow trailers.

[@Dieselman6.7]

It’s worth it if you tow a lot but yes diesels are high maintenance trucks, my transmission just went out on my 2018 f250 6.7 210k miles, it’s gonna cost me 12k to replace it at Ford. I’m very upset about it lol

[@Kevin.W.]

​@@Dieselman6.7DIY, a whole lot cheaper

[@jimraelee]

boooooooo Diesels are good trucks. no diff then other engine designs that fail.

[@ar2043]

@dieselman6.7 Ooof!!! I feel for you!!! That sucks man. Wish you the best with it!!! 👍🏼👍🏼🍻

[@scottymoondogjakubin4766]

On the gm's if the fuel gauge gets wornky shut it down ASAP! Its bronze glitter collecting on the send unit ! Do this before the injectors take a major crap ! Then all is needed is cleaning the pipes then replace the pump ! And always use a good fuel additive !

[@markchapman2585]

I definitely can't work on a new diesel engine. They got way too complicated. Thanks EPA

[@UPT12-y7w]

Good job

[@FordManiac76]

My buddy’s dad just spent 16 k on a whole new fuel system and pump because of a pump failure!! The truck is only worth 16k! My advice is change the pump, flush the system and trade it in immediately!!

[@thewrencher480]

Do a video on your favorite diesel fuel additive!!!!!

[@SlimSancho428]

The diesel industry is in shambles. The diesel repair industry is on fleek😂

[@pauldavis8716]

Hey Dave, what if you use the old school method of adding a quart automatic transmission fluid in your fuel tank on a full tank and maybe that will give you enough lubrication. What do you think?

[@gukelordan852]

Love this channel -thanks

[@RobertClontz]

Is there any chance that a similar kit can be created for GM or Dodge vehicles or are there clearance issues there also?

[@droid4369]

Could you also just add lubrication to the fuel to avoid bad things happening? Or is this the type of thing recommended be installed regardless?

[@dougnorton5143]

I seen where a Ford Tech who does this repair quite often, ask: are you going to trust this kit to have prevented all the metal from going thru the system and just slam a new pump on? I believe it's a valid question. Also, this pump is used also on Duramax's but very little is mentioned about that, how come???

[@TheAplhabeta]

The bolt under the ebp can be a pain on the 20 & up trucks, snap on 8mm wiggle socket and a long 1/4in extension get it every time no matter what year model 6.7

[@matthewnosal6893]

One has to ask… what ever took out the pump has been going through the system for awhile. (Water def rust) So let’s say you find rust on your grenaded CP4 pump. With the protection kit installed it prevented shrapnel going into the high press side of the system. If there rust on the pump you can bet there’s rust down steam in the rails, lines, injectors ect… you should probably replace the whole system anyway. If not the fuel sys will Nickel and dime you to death until you do.

[@RichVal68]

What would be the cost differential between the S&S Kit and replacing the CP4 with the CP3.3 as RAM did regarding it's recall on the CP4?

[@DaveBigDawg]

🎉🎉👍👍👍 would it have been a good time to put in a cp3

[@jeffreyhebda6709]

Hey Caden, you would like working on mine as there’s no pollution crap ! Runs beautiful !

[@Dave-in-MD]

You are missing the point. Your entire truck is pollution crap.

[@GhostSniper67]

Honest question, have you ever had a failed CP4 pump that has this kit on it and the pump failed? So you know exactly what does or does not get contaminated when it fails with the kit installed?

[@bubbaramsey9777]

What does it cost to have this done?

[@deliriousnomad]

Snap-on everything..love it. Snap-on guy must love you guys:)

[@jwalt791]

At what point do you sell a disaster prevention kit or talk the customer into the pump upgrade?

[@swolenation8432]

I need one cp3 conversion is alot of work and silly money for a good one and it's like they just charge a ton for the pump cus they know people need em it's like grand larceny or extortion u have no choice.....come on dave tell s&s to make a disaster kit for lml

[@Capt-awesome]

What should one expect to pay for this S&S prevention kit to be installed on a 2017 F-350? Professional installed?

[@JLCmike4014]

I’m curious to know what’s that beautiful two tone ‘99 F-250 in the shop for in the next stall over.

[@wildbill1313]

That didn’t take 4-5 hrs ,it only took 16 mins 😂😂❤❤❤Caden is awesome

[@rockscrambler6700]

I just upgraded my original h-pop on my 96 7.3 to a stage 2 and it cost me about 1/10 of what a new cp4 pump cost,

[@wizardg5835]

So after watching this I was wondering what it cost to have this done? I know it's less than $10000! Am interested in this just need to know how much I need to start saving up. Thanks.

[@darren6790]

If you had access to the CP4 after taking all that off why not just replace CP4?

[@BimmerLife843]

Alejandro gets the next cp4 job haha

[@jesusislord2515]

Hey Dave, love your channel, how much does your shop charge to perform this swap? I want to drive from CA to you to have it done to my truck. Or can you tell me how much an hour for labor you charge, so I can estimate for myself. I know this is at least a 10 hour job from what I have seen on youtube.

[@L15a5haw]

Ya put DCR pump in fix done, mine done at 5k miles

[@johnruff4025]

Just curious, why did you not replace the fuel pump since it has almost 100k miles on it?

[@dougwilkinson-uq3xr]

How much is this kit installed by a mechanic

[@MontyPiper]

thought you were going to remove the rear bumper to get that intake out of there... If the fuel pump is a known failure point, this disaster prevention kit should already be installed at the factory.

[@captaintoyota3171]

Sadly its profits and greed that run our economy, not quality and reliability. Untill we fundamentalally change our society and economy this will continue

[@SpookEOD]

That would mean the manufacturer/dealership would lose out on you having to go back and spend a fortune on repairs. Why would they want to do that???

[@jacobpoucher]

There is no money installing it from the factory, they want job security not trucks that last forever

[@Amarillobymorning777]

👍

[@gleanerman2195]

I would just go ahead and put the new DCR pump on since he is already in there, might be right back in there next week if that cp4 goes out.

[@jeffreyhebda6709]

Need a video on 2019ish power steering fluid change- flush ! There’s a dam plate blocking us from sucking out power steering reservoir

[@mintkondish7396]

What about a supposed CPX option?

[@irvhealy1767]

As always great video. To help save the fuel system and add some lubrication what if any fuel additives does Dave recommend? Thanks

[@obsoleteprofessor2034]

3-53 Detroit on my 3/4t Chev.

[@Mike-s2u5r]

On rubber orings wd40 makes the rubber swell and deteriorate

[@hank1556]

Does grease or oil do the same as well?

[@grizzlytb]

That would depend on the rubber, petroleum is the reason why most rubber swells, considering this is a Diesel which is made from crude oil and is a petroleum product, we can assume that the O-rings are petroleum safe and wd-40 won't do anything to the rubbers

[@robertmintz63]

As a 20yr maintenance & millwright employee of Toyota , we were told never use WD40 on rubber , use silicone!

[@obsoleteprofessor2034]

I used to work on airplanes. My pinkies got a workout because everything was so tight/crowded, so I quit to work on diesels. I'm going back to airplanes.

[@EricF-d4z]

So would have been more beneficial to just remove the air dam/windshield motor housing(?) to have easier access?

[@joeowings1473]

Hello Dave and team, love your videos! Is there a prevention solution for a 2014 Ram 3.0 EcoDiesel CP4? Thank you! God Bless!

[@xgladdope797]

Truck is a ticking time bomb of expense

[@SatelliteBeachFlorida]

I have a 2015 LML. Should I be doing a complete co3 conversion or this ?

[@alsplumbingservicesllc2971]

Thanks.

[@sock5173]

This is fine for all the big boys with lots of aftermarket support. How about us Euro diesel guys still limping our audi and vw's with minimal support since dieselgate. Would love a cp4 solution for an Audi 3.0 tdi

[@hank1556]

Cp4 pump went out on both my bosses f250 and f350. Yes it was $10k each time... sucks because the 6.7 is otherwise a great engine

[@joeysanchez7471]

What’d he use to clean the intake at 12:07? Water and degreaser?

[@larryssnova76]

Just so you know he said the truck was a 2017 so the crankcase filter should be the updated one with no element inside of it I could be wrong but pretty sure ford did away with those by 17 and by 18 the did away with the pressure sensor also

[@thatgirlmadge]

Hi can you do a video on differential seep vs leak on an all wheel drive sedan...and how not to spend 5000.00 in repair!! Please!! I can't afford a new car....is there any kind of solution other than pulling all this out and fixing the seep/ leak? Thank you!!

[@DavesAutoCenterCenterville]

Thanks for the feedback. We will see if we can do a video on that 👍

[@thatgirlmadge]

@@DavesAutoCenterCenterville oh please please please do!!! I have a 2012 INFINITI G37X all wheel drive sedan. I have taken it to 2 dealers...for quotes and wanted to faint and then cry. Tomorrow it goes in for a 3rd quote to Christian Brothers in CO. I would really like to know....if I keep my oil changes up in my car or keep this front diff lubed....maybe I could get by? You are my only source for an honest mechanic. Thank you!

[@TSeck911]

To be clear, this is for trucks beyond their factory warranty coverage. While a good idea I think a good additive and strict adherence to fuel filter changes can be preventative too.

[@captaintoyota3171]

Nah if you look at the cp4 engineering its the WORST way to do it. But they need to keep upping pressures etc to clean burn emissions. Because they dont care if it blows up 1mile after warranty this is what u get

[@FRZNTYM1]

If in 36k bumper to bumper period if fuel contamination of any type is found in the system Ford will more than likely deny the warranty claim.

[@Nafpaktos-Florida]

It’s a $2500-3,000 job parts & labor