How to Build $3,500 speakers for $400 - Klipsch KL-650 inspired by

[@coothethird]

Is there a parts list for this build? Very interesting.

[@Toid]

Yes sir. Parts list and full build plans for free are right here: toidsdiyaudio.com/forums/discussion/3500-speakers-for-350-klipsch-kl-650-inspiration/#post-15320

[@coothethird]

@@Toid Thanks!

[@andrewgraziano9735]

If you do a diy for the KLF-30, that would be amazing.

[@dickydoesaudio3466]

Andrew, I wouldn't bother with the klf 30. I had the klf 20 and they are a very bright speaker. Very over priced for what they are. IMO

[@andrewgraziano9735]

@@dickydoesaudio3466 I also found them to be bright and overpriced but they had great bass response, and took a lot of abuse. I wouldn't buy them, but I'd make them. I guess you could use the 20 or 30 series woofers with a Boston Acoustics tweeter and calm that brightness down. Maybe a better DIY kit for a floorstanding.

[@5argetech56]

I have been building my own speakers since I was 16 yrs old (70's) Still do and saved thousands! Have sold a few pairs too.. :)

[@Toid]

That's the way to do it!

[@OversikerSTUDIO]

can you give any main tips?

[@TheRuffusMD]

GREAT FORMAT .... talking and explaining what you are doing , while watching the build . and hearing the natural SOUNDS . best of all NO MUSIC

[@chickenpotpie4045]

I'm from Trinidad, and I was, in my younger days, primarily into car audio and I still am, but I'm branching out into other HiFi and I'm looking into building my second home system, a replacement set of speakers for my HTS receiver, and I damn near had a heart attack within the first two minutes of this video. I have 4 of those Faital Pro 6FE200's on a Precision Power Black Ice 1000.4 in the doors of my car, along with two separate enclosures for putting outside the vehicle when parked which also have a single 6FE200 and a Faital Pro HF100 w/ Faital Pro LTH 102 Horn on another Black Ice 1000.4 but only on two of the 4 channels, all of which is controlled by an AudioControl DM-608 and a Pioneer X2800BS headunit. Bro it is the best sounding thing I've ever heard and it didn't exactly cost that much, it wasn't cheap but it sure as hell wasn't the most expensive option. Now I'm gonna take my tops boxes and bring those inside and give em a little test, they don't have a built in crossover though, so I'll have to figure that out first. I hope they sound good, because we have lots of local Faital Pro distributors who all compete heavily on prices so we get them at very good prices so it'll be really easy for me to source a few more to finish the build.

[@new-knowledge8040]

I am now listening to "Pipeline - steel guitar" on my DIY speakers that I built in 1978. The each contain one 15" woofer, two mid-range drivers, and four tweeters. WOW.

[@new-knowledge8040]

The police did show up once due to complaints of excessive noise.

[@new-knowledge8040]

Everyone who has heard then asked my to build speakers for them.

[@noisevector]

I would go crazy about that dented dustcap at the end. Nice speakers.

[@DBD801]

Your channel inspired me to build my dream system

[@DivineAV]

The new versions are the 5000 and 6000L. We actually sell them all the time. We save the clients money in other areas to offset the cost. The proprietary drivers are extremely high-quality. My brother and myself both have them in our own homes. Nice build, I'm sure yours also perform well.

[@marcusmcmurray77]

Wow, you’re very talented! Congrats

[@LifeofBliss]

Nice build! I will say though, I've never had good luck with mustard holding my boxes together. I usually stick with the good 'ol mayonnaise 😂👍

[@Toid]

Haha! There's a mayonnaise shortage where I live. I had to go with the mustard.

[@LifeofBliss]

@@Toid hey man, gotta make due with what you have! 😄 nice views on this one btw, pretty popular build!

[@wastingtime9152]

Great work. Love the mustard bottle. (Funny how people concentrate on the most insignificant things.)

[@TheSalazara]

The mustard bottle gave me a pretty good laugh. For a second or two, my brain went "Wait, he just put mustard on his speaker".

[@associativemicrosemantics3930]

Awesome! Would be interesting to have a direct comparison to the original KL-650. I mean, how close can you get $3500 worth of sound can you get for $400? An interesing question!

[@pukulust8952]

Very nice can u make a full video of the interior stuffs too

[@leif8436]

You've done it. You are the first channel I've turned on the notifications.

[@Toid]

Woo hoo!

[@TheGreatBooger]

I’ve been throwing around the idea of making my entertainment system with built in speakers. You just made it easier for on deciding the components. Parts express has kits but not what I was looking for. Now plan on doing 3 of these with a down firing sub built into the cabinet of the entertainment system.

[@TheGreatBooger]

Do you think putting speaker mesh in front of these would hurt the sound quality?

[@Toid]

@@TheGreatBooger it will not. You can also do spandex if you want to do a different color. All of those materials are considered acoustically transparent. It might attenuate your highs a little, but nothing extreme. And in the fact that if you're using a home theater receiver with room correction, it will correct for that anyway.

[@maurolimaok]

This channel is awesome!

[@hifiside5066]

I’ve never used Mustard as wood glue. Lol. Great video!

[@Toid]

Haha! You will the internet! It's the best. Typically Dijon is better, but I ran out.

[@alizzan]

@@Toid I think next time you should try Pitzman's Mustard - kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpiqkJVvgZyXrdE

[@イエンスヨハンセン]

Ok if I could give you ten thumbs up I would! These are super impressive, and thank you so much for making them open source. Love your work!

[@Toid]

You're welcome. I will take your 10 thumbs up to the bank . Honestly, this comment made my day. So thank you

[@jampiserapah]

Hey Toids, nice build. Would be more awesome if you can include some short demo of the sound.

[@leo11877]

Are CNC compatible plans available for the entire cabinets? Even better are flat packs available shipped in the US?

[@leo11877]

Also some of us place it on the floor and may benefit from putting them on angled stands to point the tweeter up. Is that something you recommend?

[@luvdub1]

Great build, thank you for sharing. Is there a separate video for the crossover network? How do the three speakers (two woofer and horn) play together? Are there any specific issues to pay attention to?

[@thingone62]

Hey man. Those are frickin cool! I wish I had the CNC stuff to make driver cutouts, etc! I hate building BOXES, but I love putting drivers INTO boxes and playing around with crossovers, measuring etc,. I have built lots of high efficiency stuff over the years but haven't looked recently - they have lots of nice stuff (midbass driver, compression driver, horns) that they (Part Express) didn't have a few year ago.

[@daven7202]

Great build. Any chance you would sell the font and inside panels of the speaker build.

[@Toid]

There is. Contact me via the forum and I can see what I can do.

[@bassfan71]

I like the mustard glue bottle lol

[@Toid]

It's really the only way to glue 😂

[@kvnblackburn]

how about some plans for some surrounds to pair with these.... anything you can recommend?

[@Toid]

These work well with them: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4TdemB6dq13fKc I am working on a small commercial design theater surround design. Not sure when that will be up though.

[@karimalsharif2754]

Hi This is awesome. However, the link to the plans isn't working. Can you kindly share? thanks

[@roBLINDhood]

I have also always wanted some of those Klipsch THX speakers and DIY is a great idea! Thanks!

[@welderfixer]

@Toids DIY Audio After watching several DIY builds I started thinking of my own. However, after seeing your DINAS build, I became a little depressed for being late to the game and happy that I'm not the only one who thought of dual powered, sub woofer in the box design. Well, here's my plan: purchase two Klipsch Pro Media THX 2.1 systems, gut the speakers and sub for parts and mount everything in a pair of cabinets. My thought is to leave the tweeters and mid's in their baffles and mount on the face of the cabinets. Not sure of where to place them. Side by side, or vertical. I have one of these systems in my shop office and they really sound far better then their $150 retail price tag. I hope one of us will build these soon. I really enjoy your vids and builds. Keep 'em comin' !

[@Toid]

That is a cool idea! Just keep in mind that you will want the tweeter and mid still in their original enclosures or one about the same size. And I do agree, those sounded really good for their price. Some of the better computer speakers that were made for the price.

[@welderfixer]

@@Toid I don't have the money to buy them. If you can, please build a pair and let everyone know how they work out. It would mean a great deal to me. Costco has them on sale for $99 until tomorrow. Thanks so much.

[@fmacdonald3559]

Another great video, think these are the speakers for me. Building these speakers but with the electronic functionality of the Klipsch The Fives would be the dream for under a TV :)

[@CajunReaper95]

Ik it probably doesn’t need it but I personally would’ve added brad nails along side the glue just for a bit added strength just my personal preference though.

[@somedude2630]

I absolutely love HT...couldn’t get away fast enough

[@audfrknaveen2256]

wonderful !!!!!! and so exciting !!! Thanks a lot !!

[@Toid]

You're Welcome

[@ProblemBusterNZ]

I have many questions :P How did you decide on the drivers What is the crossover design or did you biamp them Why is the dust cap dented! Do you orientate them with the horn wide or narrow?

[@antoniiocaluso1071]

Ever clear acrylic coat the paper drivers? Used to be an old trick& still works well in SW FL, USA. Someday, I'll build Klipsch's old corner horns! Man, those were a pair to have, in the day! :-) Great job on the presentation!! Subbed. Old Sound Man here, looking forward. Ever buy from SpeakerLab, once THE parts house, in Seattle. Pre-www. :-)

[@prasanthgn]

I didnt see this build plan in your website, saw the newer one but that has a costly compression driver and it's out of stock at parts express. Is there anyway I can buy this build plan?

[@Toid]

Yes. Email me [e-mail]

[@denisdube8893]

Wow they look great…

[@MashApi]

This is interesting project want to see more. Please you do detail about crossover. How to process without cnc. Thank in advanced

[@Toid]

Link is in the description

[@MashApi]

Toids DIY Audio Thank you man. This is gold.

[@billdodson207]

Crossover information would be awesome to know. Solid build-- thanks!

[@Toid]

Check the link in the description. All the build information is found there.

[@billdodson207]

Thanks!

[@faisal_sama9763]

I really love your channel keep it up man we need more in wall speakers and subs and horn speakers

[@Dimrain13]

Love this. Would you use the same speakers for the rear? Ive been thinking of making a setup in a small room, and would like some input on that. This is hands down the way Im going for the center and front left/right channels.

[@AllboroLCD]

Been wanting to do a project like this forever! Well done sir, well done! Would love to see more like this. Specifically a DIY set of Altec Lansing VOTT speakers. More specifically, a "home firendly" slightly scaled down in size version of VOTT.

[@Toid]

I'll be doing more like this. Glad to see you are enjoying builds like this.

[@AllboroLCD]

@@Toid budget builds of re-production iconic speakers would make an awesome channel just by itself!

[@goodwinml]

With all of your experience with speakers, what do you think on a custom pair or 3 Klipsch LaScala's. I think it would be awesome to see your spin on a classic speaker!

[@goodwinml]

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[@AE-lk3uc]

They are great I dont have room for a set of speakers the size of refrigerators anymore. Fortunately Klipsch has many other offerings that sound just as splendid.

[@goodwinml]

@@AE-lk3uc but these are CLASSIC.

[@hitsquadfuze]

I wonder if I can achieve the same sound if I installed a in-wall version?

[@hereistay88]

Hi! I can't find the plans for these speakers! Do you have a link? Thank you very much

[@yuckysamson]

Really innovative, logical, well put together build. What a value, too. If someone has the space to justify it, these are REALLY great. Might want to consider some variant with a wider-spread horn for the height channels and/or side/rear channels (perhaps something a bit less directional, etc.) But obviously with the faitals and the compression tweeter they probably hit with some serious attack and "project" sound beautifully for theatre purposes. Do you consider sending out built crossovers? Might be worth it for those who are interested.....

[@Toid]

I might consider that.

[@ZackCrain]

​@@Toidcan I buy that prebuilt crossover?

[@DadZasterZone]

Any recommendations on taking this shape/style of speaker and swapping in 2 epique 5.5” woofers to create a full range speaker?

[@georgem6359]

Hi I'm thinking about getting the same amplifier for a JBL stage 82 in a 1.5 cubic foot vented enclosure. Is the amplifier as good as your video makes it look? Any new videos coming from you soon?

[@vjmoglyman]

The thing is sound like 3500? :D good job my friend!

[@coreyellisart6877]

I am blown away by the knowledge you have.I am a firm believer that knowledge is power. We're can I find the box dimensions I checked all the links and could not find the lay out.Also what design program are you using to model your xovers?

[@Steve_1401]

I'd love to see you do a build of some small desktop speakers - active near field monitor type.

[@aliciaANDanthonySandoval]

Now the question is how do they sound side by side a thx? Nice build👍

[@jonsays3762]

Thanks again!

[@aecsummer]

Ok these look sweet but I'm kinda lost, where is the build/parts list of the crossover board??

[@jasonbennett604]

The link doesn’t provide plans for this speaker? Where can I get the plans?

[@bartvrenegoor]

Hey! Compliments for the work. They really look sweet and I might build them for fun. The only thing I was missing is a part/video of you demonstrating them. How do they sound!?!? And I haven’t checked the built plans yet, but I guess plenty of us would love to have the CNC files ;-)

[@Toid]

Contact me via the website and if it's for personal use I'd be happy to send you some CNC files. The sound is amazing. I hear things that I've never heard before in movies but that really doesn't come across in youtube, which is why I don't typically do sound test videos.

[@colorblind1983]

What are your crossover points? What DB Octave rollover do you have? How much power are you running to them?

[@Toid]

All that information is in the link in the description.

[@Windycitysmokers]

Awesome job! They look fantstic

[@marruiz]

How does they perform for music and hifi?

[@TONKERS]

did you delete them from your site? i would really like to see how big they are and see if they would be nice to build for me

[@TONKERS]

cuz i couldnt find the files so i would like to know cuz i would like to build some

[@maafeustyle]

Amazing work! I'm looking into building these speakers myself, only problem I might have is the crossover work. Any tutorial on making them? Thanks again!

[@Toid]

This might help you: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5iWe3poa9GAqtk If not, you can always ask on the forum and we can help the best we can. www,toidsdiyaudio.com/community

[@worldofradomness1890]

@@Toid how much would you charge to Mach the front part of the speaker

[@worldofradomness1890]

Make

[@ElCidPhysics90]

So I’m thinking of building 3 of your 212s for my front stage, 4 of your Atmos, and 4 of these for surrounds. All that would be left is the subwoofer. Do you think these three speakers would fit well together?

[@Toid]

@@ElCidPhysics90 I would do the cinema 10 for surrounds. That would be the better fit. But sounds awesome!

[@ElCidPhysics90]

@ thank you. I’ll definitely take a look. I purchased your 212 plans and am looking forward to the build.

[@Te4mUp]

Wait but how do I connect all the wires and electronics? Is there a part 2?

[@MurphysTactical]

Great work, I love seeing these types of builds! Follow up video with deep dive on development, frequency response? Any build tips for us plebs without CNC tooling (or in general)? Thanks, keep up the great work!

[@Toid]

Thanks! I plan to do some of that in an upcoming video. I appreciate you guys telling me the things you want to see.

[@EJSKATE1]

this will be an awsome father/son project if I can get my Dad on board! hoping the Dayton audio horns come back in stock soon! "any alternative?"

[@Toid]

Not at this time. Hopefully they will come in stock sooner than later. The coronavirus has really affected supply

[@Checkitfirst]

What happened to the dust cover in the last picture LOL. Nice speaker build by the way

[@Toid]

I have a 2-year-old. And he thinks they're buttons 🤣😂😁

[@Checkitfirst]

😂. Been there with mine. I’m going to build a pair of those I love the way they look. I have a closet full of speakers from parts express that I’ve been collecting the last three years I need to do something with them

[@paulsonoda1282]

Could you create a video that shows your set up for your CNC machine. I would love to learn how you have that set up that looks awesome.

[@michaeloravetz1594]

How about Making a set of Speakerlab K horns or clips K horns

[@Edward135i]

listening to this video on a pair of Klipsch KL-650's

[@johnfay681]

Awesome job and info but what about crossover and connectors for input

[@Toid]

It's all in the link in the description of the video.

[@johnfay681]

123Toid Thanks saw it after

[@MegaPowerhouse10]

Thanks for the video. Any details on the crossovers needed to get the speakers to perform well? Drivers and enclosure is one part of the equation.

[@Toid]

Check the link in the description. It's all there: toidsdiyaudio.com/community/postid/4008/

[@Paranimal86]

Nice you should try to do the M&K LCRs next!

[@Toid]

Now, don't be giving my any ideas! 🤣

[@juststuff5216]

For me, it's a demonstration in how much nonsense companies are getting way with. However, why would one think that one particular speaker is the solution for their circumstances. Custom design is the only way to go IMO. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqXXZIR-h86UiKs&ab_channel=HexiBase

[@Paranimal86]

@@juststuff5216 Ehh I wouldn't call it nonsense there's tons and tons of R&D that go into this stuff, all the engineering into every aspect from the cabinet to the driver to the cross over costs tons of money... its one thing to copy a design and whole other to design it. Building a speaker form the ground up at the same level of research and development in your own home is quite a difficult tasks. Not saying its impossible but to come up with something new with its own pleasant sound signature that's relatively accurate isn't all that easy or practical. But if you have the tools, and all the exact specs to replicate a high end speaker I say go for it!

[@hadleymanmusic]

By your opinion, which sounds better this type or a tower type

[@instaboiidsg2117]

Hey I have a question. So I want to put the amplifier in the speakers so how many watts should the amplifier have?

[@lukasbekcic]

Would these be good for a hifi listening setup? Or is the tuning pretty specifically aimed for cinema applications? Great work by the way these look amazing and the final product is fantastic.

[@Toid]

thank you for your kind words. That's a great question. I don't know that I would use it necessarily for Hi-Fi listening setup, if you're talking about a two channel. Even though the response is very flat in revealing, these don't really have a wide dispersion. And when I think of a two-channel Hi-Fi listening setup, I want a pretty wide dispersion to fill the area.

[@floydian68]

Are the plans still available?

[@matthewforrest7660]

Any chance you could do a video on klipsch la scala ?

[@jamesmartinez1401]

Yes, please. And include internal circuitry.

[@matthewforrest7660]

I second that

[@debhowes4791]

I like the look of these but I listen more music than theatre. How well would these suffice with stereo music ? I would build these and then a separate ribbon tweeter module to switch to for different kinds of audio. What do you think ? Currently own b and w dm602 what do you think I would think of the change from those to these ?

[@Toid]

These have a much narrower dispersion that's better for theater than music. I personally would pass on building these and build something with the wider dispersion for two channel music.

[@oliverdavidpatrick]

THX includes a room with RT60, which means reverb time 60ms

[@davelowman3574]

I've seen the klipsch thx horns on parts express, in the factory buyout section.

[@volumehomecinemas]

Nice work..❤️ Can u make a video about diy in wall speakers..

[@Toid]

I might be able to do that sometime. I'm not sure when. I've got a few projects already in the mix.

[@eliebreaux6504]

How shallow could you conceivably make these boxes, and would the crossover need to be adjusted for in-wall/on-wall use? Thanks.

[@Toid]

You probably won't go much shallower than what they are. They compression driver and Waveguide take approximately 7" of depth before wiring. You might be able to narrow it by a few inches, but it's not going to be enough to go in wall. Unless your wall is deeper than most. Typically the crossover does get adjusted for in-wall use. However, if you're using some type of room equalization, that should account for it.

[@eliebreaux6504]

@@Toid Thank you.

[@coolkid9422]

bruh. These are btyhe best speakers!!! And u got them for cheap by building!! WHOA UR A PROOO!

[@ruca568]

Great job. Can you show one sound demo? I understnd tht the desig change the response, but can you achieve the same sound with a better design? Thanks 123toid for your awesome work in the diy speakers.

[@Toid]

You might be able to. What Klipsch was doing with this type of design was to give you more direct sound which limits room interaction.

[@alvarezoscar72]

why was there two conections per speaker box? was one for the woofers and one for the tweeters?

[@kencohagen4967]

9 was awesome. I want a copy for my family to see. Well worth adding to your library.

[@misteralex3675]

you can all speakers ???

[@swiff31]

Is there a crossover I can buy instead of building one

[@dan_hitchman007]

It's tuned specifically for the speaker, so I don't know if a ready made one would work.

[@glengatt3941]

I did hear another channel saying that for home cinema are the best he heard

[@ricardotozzi5440]

not bad project. mic how/what sraff connected? and this one better than umic/berrengers/nadia/panasonic wm60/61mics? so, wating tests acoustic systems on open air.

[@jqderrick]

The link to your build isn't working any longer. Do you think you could update that?

[@dickydoesaudio3466]

I have the Klipsch 650 ultra 2's. I'd love to purchase a flat pack from you, for even one of the speakers you just built. I have 3 spare horns for the ultras that I could use in a build, so that I could see if the sound of these match the sound of the Klipsch. Something to think about. Thanks

[@stephenmcbride6359]

I see no mention of a crossover for these speakers. What did you use?

[@Toid]

If you take a look in the description, all the information is there for the crossover box and everything

[@rbuck9]

with 3 of these for front would another 4 work for rear and surround ?

[@cheesegeezer5019]

Hi Toid, just want to thank you so much for all your videos and explanations. I’m onboard and subscribed 👍👍 Have you fitted these in your HT, any chance of a demo. I’m going to build these for my FCR stage. Again thanks so much for your content

[@Toid]

I'm using them daily, but my theater isn't finished yet. I don't typically do sound tests. It's just too hard for you to experience it without being here. Having said that quite a few people have made them on the forum, I would go in there and talk to them. I'm also working on a version two

[@cheesegeezer5019]

@@Toid Ooh how interesting, Are you planning on adding a 12/15" woofer to them? I will head over to the forums and check it out. I understand that we wouldn't hear what you hear, but it's something us watchers always yearn for lol. i'm out!! LOL

[@Toid]

@@cheesegeezer5019 I used to do sound tests on all my videos. But video analytics show that very few people actually watch the sound test. So much so, that it actually hurts the video and KZbin stops recommending it.

[@joeburch7959]

I would love to know about the crossover. Did you design and make it yourself and could you make a video about it?

[@paulslaughter8344]

The crossover and parts to make it are on his website.

[@pasansenarath5990]

Loved it can you please do cloning videos like Klipsch rp 600m/Klipsch Cornwall 4

[@Toid]

I'll have to look into it

[@pasansenarath5990]

@@Toid thank you Klipsch Cornwall 4 is a 6000$ highly recommended speaker for audiophiles im thinking about cloning them I think Dayton audio 15 inch pro woofer and midrange horn and a horn super tweeter .can you help me to figure out drivers.klipsh rp600m is a more budget yet highly recommended speaker can you do a video about cloning them that would be awesome thanks.

[@Toid]

@@pasansenarath5990 I honestly think this is very doable. I might have some of the parts already. Feel free to jump on the forum and I can see what we can come up with. www.toidsdiyaudio.com/community

[@pasansenarath5990]

@@Toid thanks I'll look into it

[@Laissez_Faire]

awesome job. Hey where and how much for a machine like that. I've been building speakers but I need something like what you're using. thanks

[@Toid]

Thank You. I bought the shapeoko XXL, but I personally wouldn't recommend it. Good cutting area, but belt drive just isn't great for what we do. I plan to upgrade mine to something like the Millright Mega V

[@jondoe6618]

They are cool. My brother built one. Pretty cheap to build diy if you know how.

[@peterxyz3541]

I’m researching diy speakers for recording. Would this give me “flat” sound?

[@nickparkin8527]

Oh my GOD you need to add tabs on the carbide create software to keep any cutouts on your shapeoko from breaking loose and getting thrown across the room by the CNC router. I forgot to add tabs to mine sometimes but trust me, if that piece moves the bit can bite it and send it flying.

[@X1Y0Z0]

How do you take nodes of sound into account while making speakers?