How To Build A Hunting Arrow | Indexing

[@dominicromito7864]

Wow never heard of this approach. Thank You!

[@ardnfast]

I have just done this test. It worked great. I am pleased to learn that my arrows spin clock wise, thanks a lot.

[@elusive323]

It works Ive just done it,Just keep stepping back shooting the arrow and you will see the mark gradually turn each time,mine goes to the right. Thanks PJ

[@alexgreen9195]

I'm currently learning and working towards fletching my own arrows this video and comments helped and explained alot thank you and I hope to see more videos on KZbin to further help me in my progress

[@isaacg3232]

This may be a silly question but how do you know the arrow did full rotate to the right and make it to that position?

[@LancasterArcherySupply]

Someone else asked that in one of the other comments....I know the spin direction from experience, but you can test it yourself by backing up from that distance and shooting another; then back up a few more steps and do it again. If the arrow is doi g what you say, then the marked line will be to the right of where it was on the first shot. If it does what i say, then the line will index to the left of that first arrow.

[@ZoeStar100]

Isaac G 3

[@joshsinglefooter]

If an arrow did that much spinning why use fletching?

[@ZoeStar100]

@@joshsinglefooter fletching isn’t only for spin (non straight) but for the effect of drag that stabilizes. You can shoot bare shafts very well if tuned.

[@joshsinglefooter]

@@ZoeStar100sherlock Holmes. I know that. Back to your original statement. The arrow (bareshaft) is not spinning like a turbine in 5-8ft. End of discussion.

[@mmatthewias280]

Wouldn’t that unscrew your tips at impact or cause broadheads to come loose upon impact if spinning counterclockwise.?.?

[@sho9636]

So after reading all comments, it all comes down to natural arrow spin comes from the serving wraps. Now my question is which direction of serving wrap would make the arrow spin right or left? If my serving wraps were wrapped clockwise (right) would my arrow spin clockwise or counter clockwise? And vice versa?

[@Slatari]

Same question. I shoot fixed blade single bevel broadheads, rotation is important for that also.

[@lucas.5am639]

Yes, this is the million dollar question. I want to know the science behind it. I have a full dozen arrows that I fletched left-helical because of the natural rotation, and now I'm reluctant to get a new string on my bow that would cause them to spin right.

[@Ibelieveinfreedom]

Great tip. Thank you

[@gabrielchavez3837]

Thank you for your video very helpful, I wanted to double check that this technique will work the same for a recurve and/or traditional longbow? I know this may sound obvious, I'm new to archery and just want to make sure.

[@peterxyz3541]

Should I flip the shaft in order to get a natural clockwise spine?

[@Dan-xj5nx]

If the serving direction determines which way the arrow spins how do I know which direction to wrap the serving? I have winners choice strings and had to replace the serving, my arrow is spinning to the left like yours did in this video. I looked on their site but wasn't able to find any information on the serving wrap.

[@LancasterArcherySupply]

Dan Dellinger Our strong builder serves opposite the direction of the string twist. He says if you serve with the twist, you will have keep rotation issues.

[@ARABARCHERYTV]

What if the arrow turns to the right a little less than a full circle? How do you know that the arrow turned to the left, one-eighth of a turn, in other words, a small part of a complete circle to the left, and not the other way around, as I mentioned recently?

[@LancasterArcherySupply]

So we know from experience that’s not what happens…..but if you want to double check you can shoot up close and then back up a couple steps and shoot again. Then back up a couple more and shoot again. Shooting 3 distances you will see the rotation of the marked line

[@randykeech3557]

so what if some arrow spin counter clockwise and some clockwise? do you adjust your fletcher jig to do both directions?

[@LancasterArcherySupply]

Yes

[@jeffhunt1982]

So unless you are building your own arrows you wouldn't know. I guess buying mail order index custom arrows was a waste of money and honestly I've never seen my local archery shop take the time to index either. What kind degree of accuracy issue will this cause me or just kinetic energy loss?

[@noahforbes8884]

This makes no sense, plz correct me if I'm wrong. The arrow in the video span left correct and apparently span counterclockwise but what if the arrow was spinning clockwise but ended up in that position bc it hadnt done a full rotation. Is there a clear way to judge??? Regards Noah forbes

[@LancasterArcherySupply]

Yes there is. For starters, the arrow doesnt spin that much when you are that close to the target. But if you are worried it might be spinning more than you think, then shoot from that spot....take 2 steps back and shoot a 2nd bareshaft.....then take 2 more steps back and shoot a third. Now look at your marked line on each shaft and you will see the spin graduations. That will tell you for certain which way its spinning.

[@noahforbes8884]

Thxs man actual appreciate that, i have a better understanding now Regards Noah forbes

[@lawrencescanio7682]

But how do you know it didn’t spin to the right multiple times and land towards the left 🤔

[@LancasterArcherySupply]

So we discuss that in the video......We know it doesn't spin that way because we've done this test enough times, and the arrow doesn't spin fast enough for what you're suggesting to be the case. But if you want to see for yourself, you simply shoot an arrow at 6 feet....then back up to 10 feet....then 15 feet, and you monitor the position of the marked line at each distance. Every time you shoot, you'll see the marked line moving in the direction the arrow is spinning. For instance, in our test, at 6 feet the line might rotate left to 10 oclock....at 10 feet it will be at 9 oclock...at 15 feet it will be at 7 oclock, which tells us the arrow is spinning counterclockwise. If the arrow were spinning naturally to the right as you suggested, then the progressioned rotation would be clockwise.

[@dwanehudson6904]

So if the arrow wants to spin left and the single beveled broadhead is beveled right then that is not good? Wouldn’t the arrow fly bad?

[@LancasterArcherySupply]

In that case, you should try fletching in both directions to see which one produces the best flight.

[@gmoney7743]

Pretty late to this, but I’m having trouble getting fixed blade broadheads to fly. I just tested bare shaft and my arrows spin left naturally but I have a right 3rd degree helical for all my fletching is it likely that this will fix the flight of my arrows?

[@LancasterArcherySupply]

No....That won't fix it. If you are having fixed broadhead problems, there's a tuning issue somewhere. Shoot a fletched arrow at 20 yards and then shoot a bareshaft at the same spot. They should hit together. If they don't, then that's why you are having problems with fixed heads. Fixing the issue could be any of a number of problems....

[@rudyborg9554]

I️ didn’t mean to imply no offset or helical, just left verses right. I️ heard John Dudley advise only right helical or offset on hunting shafts as left could potentially unscrew broadheads.

[@LancasterArcherySupply]

Rudy Borg Well I certainly have the utmost respect for Dud, but what I can tell you is 2 things....Ive never had a fixed head come undone after I hand tightened it....and second, for me to fletch right helical or offset, I'd have to go against the natural spin of the arrow. The arrow would come off the string spinning left, and then the fletchings would have to steer it back to the right. I don't know any target archer who would do that, so why do it when hunting?

[@rudyborg9554]

Lancaster Archery Supply thank you for the quick response, especially on thanksgiving, I’m currently setting up a set of Black eagles myself, so I’ll shoot a few bareshafted and see what mine does. Thanks for the tip.

[@LancasterArcherySupply]

Rudy Borg No worries.....good luck with the arrows and Happy Thanksgiving!

[@caseyberning7789]

Will that be the same with every arrow you selected in a specific brand and spine? Example, the arrow you shot in the video..did each of the other ones do the same thing?

[@LancasterArcherySupply]

Yes....it will apply to every arrow shot from that bow. Brand and spine are irrelevant.

[@ee222]

@@LancasterArcherySupply "Yes....it will apply to every arrow shot from that bow. Brand and spine are irrelevant." --- so, whether or not an arrow rotates clockwise or c. clockwise is a direct and sole function of the bow and has nothing to do with how the string &/or the serving has been wound? great little mini-series (playlist) BTW! thanks for the info!

[@LancasterArcherySupply]

@@ee222 No...My answer assumes "the same bow" means the bow as it is currently set up. If you put on a new string, you should do the test again.

[@ee222]

@@LancasterArcherySupply -- ok, so a new string/serving can affect this process and not just the physical bow. thanks for clearing that up!

[@kdb3i]

LAS, I watched this video with great interest as it seemed that the tip might improve consistency and accuracy. I have also watched videos posted from others recommending the same technique. And it certainly makes sense that having fletching that reverses the "natural rotation" of the arrow would consume energy and possibly negatively affect accuracy. However, it does not quite make sense to me. That the arrow rotation would be reversed during flight if the fletching were counter to the "natural rotation". My thinking is that just before the arrow leaves the string and is still nocked, it is already moving at nearly 300 fps (with modern compound bows) and that the fletching is therefore already exerting maximum rotational force on the arrow and therefore the arrow should immediately start to rotate in the direction dictated by the fletching, not the string. Is this incorrect? Has anyone done a side by side comparison of actually fletched arrows to test this theory? After viewing your video, I did test different fletched broadhead arrows, and compared the groupings to my field points, but I then realized I need to use both fletching directions on the field points as well to truly test the theory. Thank you.

[@LancasterArcherySupply]

Sorry I'm just seeing your comment Keith. There are various examples that you can see in different videos on KZbin of super slow motion shots of arrows leaving a bow. You can see in some of them where the arrow comes off the bow and starts to spin one way, then it stops and reverses direction. I wish I could link one here, but I can't find an example of the video I'm thinking of. Jim Burnworth of Bowtech has one. He didn't intend to show this arrow spin, which is why I can't find it. I would have to recall the purpose of his video to find it by title.....But if you look around, you'll see videos showing this reverse spinning action.

[@mat_in_texas]

Do all arrows spin the same way off of the same bow? Or do you check each individual arrow?

[@LancasterArcherySupply]

They will all spin the same way off the same bow.

[@rudyborg9554]

I've always been told that left helical can loosen broadheads in flight. Is this not a valid concern?

[@LancasterArcherySupply]

Rudy Borg That isn't valid. Even 1 degree offset fetching causes arrow spin, so it's no different than helical. If your arrow didn't spin, it's sort of like throwing a knuckleball. Spin stabilizes flight.

[@tobywatson3626]

What if you shoot a right hand single bevel bh? I use a right hand helical.

[@LancasterArcherySupply]

So this test is done to test how your arrow wants to spin without any influence as it leaves the bow. That's why we shoot with a bareshaft and a field point. Your right bevel broadhead won't affect anything, unless the blades are offset right or left. Your RH helical fletchings will affect the arrow spin, obviously. Right bevel doesn't require right helical fletchings if the blades are sitting straight on the broadhead. It's better to figure out how your arrow naturally wants to spin off the string and then fletch to encourage that spin. The exception would be if your broadhead blades are set at an offset. Then you would want to fletch to match that regardless of what your bareshaft spin says.

[@KScott-hd8vw]

Will each individual arrow be different? Say 4 that want to go to the left and 2 want to go to the right?

[@LancasterArcherySupply]

KAS 99 They will all be the same since the arrow is meaningless. It's the string and serving that dictate spin. Every bareshaft will spin the same.

[@danielthomas4847]

Is this new or old technique?? I'm blown away. I watched you video twice. I've always done it....right handed/right helical or offset. I fetch my own arrows. I do have some that I can see get squirrelly in flight but are very accurate. I guess when I get my new Red werks turbo Hoyt this spring. I'm gonna have to try this method. It too far into the Pa Archery season to reflect and tune. Also does doing it the old way make tuning hard????? Thanks for your reply.

[@LancasterArcherySupply]

Daniel Thomas I wouldn't say it's new...its an old target archers trick, but it's not big yet in the bowhunting world.

[@LancasterArcherySupply]

The old way doesn't necessarily make tuning hard, but this makes it easier. If you get your bow bareshaft tuned and then you fletch according to spin, then you are removing variables for potential error.

[@SteaminPile]

Do you test every arrow that way, or will 1 out of a batch of 12 tell you how they all need to be indexed?

[@LancasterArcherySupply]

Every arrow will spin the same way out of the same bow. It's not the arrow that dictates the spin, it's the bowstring.

[@SteaminPile]

Ok, that makes sense. So this should be done to a new bow, or if the bow string is replaced. Ok cool, thank you guys so much.

[@LancasterArcherySupply]

Yes.....new bow or string, and you should index your arrows.

[@Harry-ei7os]

How do u know the arrow hasn't spun clockwise 3/4 of a turn?

[@LancasterArcherySupply]

Ryan Harris-Hayes At 8 feet, it doesn't spin that far. I know that from many tests. But if you want to verify for yourself, shoot at 8 feet and leave that shaft in target. Back up 3 feet and shoot another. Back up 3 feet from there and shoot a third. You will see your marks turn increasingly farther with each shaft. That's your direction of spin. If mine, for example were spinning 3/4 at 8 feet, then at 11, the second shaft would index to the right of the first, and the third to the right of both of those. I know that's not what's happening just because I've done this enough.

[@Harry-ei7os]

Lancaster Archery Supply thanks for the reply. Looking forward to tomorrow's episode. Cheers

[@76erMC]

I can see your bow is not properly bareshaft tuned and that makes the arrow spin the way it does.

[@LancasterArcherySupply]

76erMC I can assure you that bow is bareshaft tuned. I can shoot a bareshaft at 30 yards and hit right with my field points and broadhead. What you are seeing is a left lean in the shaft that is caused by shooting into a bag target. Never bareshaft tune into a bag target because you can't trust the arrow lean. The insides are not even like foam.

[@LancasterArcherySupply]

76erMC Also....bareshaft tuning has nothing to do with arrow spin. Whether the bow is tuned or not, the bareshafts will still spin the same direction.

[@76erMC]

Lancaster Archery Supply ... so how can you know the spin is not caused by hitting your bag target? Physics tell me there is no such thing like "natural" spin. There must be torque in your system that makes it spin. The slightest unbalance at the shaft itself causes it to spin - twisting the nock could cause the same shaft to spin clockwise. Different fieldpoint could cause it to spin clockwise... etc.

[@LancasterArcherySupply]

76erMC The spin is caused by the string serving. Cam lean has nothing to do with it. And with a Mathews Halon 32, there is no cam lean. Due to the harnesses on both sides of the cams, they are designed to sit perfectly straight. If the serving is wrapped in one direction, you get clockwise arrow spin. If it's wrapped the opposite direction, you get counterclockwise spin.

[@sho9636]

So what serving wrap would me it spin right or left? Would a right serving wrap make the arrow spin right and a left serving wrap make the arrow spin left?

[@shbowyer]

What is the C shaped attachment on the upper part of the bow?

[@LancasterArcherySupply]

Steven Bowyer Quiver mount.

[@shbowyer]

Lancaster Archery Supply Thank you for the reply, keep up the great videos

[@mikeochs5457]

Marking the arrow isnt neccessary, your nock should be indexed. At least every nock I ever had is. I believe this is so you can mock an arrow in the dark and do not need to visually see the vanes. And if that's not why, that's how I use it. 😏

[@76erMC]

Twist the nock a quarter to the left and the same arrow does not spin anymore. Half twist the nock to the left and the same arrow spins clockwise. It's just unbalance.

[@LancasterArcherySupply]

76erMC Twisting the nock does nothing. It's a bare arrow shaft.

[@carstenm6692]

If the center serving dictates the direction of spin, the serving on your right handed Halon was done wrong!

[@LancasterArcherySupply]

Carsten M It is served opposite how we would serve it building our own strings....the current serving direction opposes the string twists....but that's not a critical flaw for shooting, so I'd hesitate saying it was served "wrong" at the factory.

[@johntaylor9320]

I make my arrows spin with my mind. If I want the venison to taste sweeter I make the arrow spin to the left.