How to Cheat your Keep Truckin Logs

[@JerzeyDudef]

Paper logs were the good ol days

[@redleader7988]

If you dispatch yourself, yes. Company drivers are better off with ELDs to keep the dispatchers in check.

[@craig84074]

I was truckin in the early 1980's, we kept two log books, ran all night long, didn't use any drugs, and we had way fewer semi accidents back then than they have now......and we had one hell of a good time, and made very good money back then. The government has taken all the fun and all the money out of trucking now, and I am not really sure how you can keep from getting bored by driving a truck with an automatic transmission. We stayed awake simply because we had to constantly be listening to the engine to know when to shift.

[@bojankljajic5408]

Yes. That was the time. Today's ELD make pressure on truck drivers and keep them nervous

[@Lets_Build_Together1]

The good ol days. More like it was the good ol days before trucking got regulated and before people got their hands in when they didn’t belong.

[@dsotojc4645]

craig84074 you sound like you be shifting at all times. Come on... man. I’ve been driving since the 80’s too and trust me after a while AUTOMATED trucks are the best if you don’t want to be tired at the end of the day.

[@bojankljajic5408]

I have been driving a truck for years as company driver and now as owner operator, and can tell you that ELD is NOT good solution. You loose every day at least 5-7 hours at pick ups and deliveries, traffic jams, accidents on the road, brokers reasons, weather conditions etc. so basically you have 5-7 hours for driving. If you are owner operator and feed your family from this job, you will not make nothing working hard every day knowing that you pay everything related to your truck and trailer (maintenance, fuel, company commission, insurances, tolls...etc). ELD put pressure on truck drivers and makes them nervous. If you look country accident rate on yearly base involving big semi trucks before and after ELD, you will notice that rate went up significantly. Truck driver are limited with time and they want to use it to get to final destination neglecting speed limit etc. With paper logs I was much more relaxed and had a time for everything, but not now.

[@wiredforstereo]

Perhaps it's the system that treats you like shit and values your miles not your time that is to fault?

[@slawomirlech950]

@@wiredforstereothe study says ELD kills more people than paper logbooks. There's no need to add anything about it here.

[@alexey731]

As a truck driver when ELD becomes I begin use my truck with the max speed limit

[@NewsChannel-y4g]

not to include the oppurtunity lose. 20,000 starve to death every day when food may have reached them without ELD.

[@polskakurwa67]

Before elog my company paid me .41cpm vs now i get .56 i like elog

[@misterjag]

Before GPS, paper logs were derisively referred to as "comic books". I usually kept two.

[@oilhauler76]

"Funny books"

[@brianjames4169]

misterjag And “Swindle Sheets.” 😅🤣

[@bobpeg7457]

coloring book

[@ronaldrutledge5712]

Don't know how you did it with two. Two always caught up with me. I needed three to keep going without eventually running out of time.

[@Lets_Build_Together1]

I’m a professional author or writer I guess you could say. I just drove truck part time 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 that’s what I tell people

[@OneHonestCritic]

The reason you can’t cheat the logs is because the ELD is connected to your truck’s computer system so it knows exactly how many miles were travelled unconnected to the ELD.

[@bigred1247]

Tryn to splain this to my boss..thinks I'm nuts..okkkkk..if he gets caught oh boy

[@danielbrooks8392]

@@bigred1247 not to mention going off duty in one location and on duty in another.

[@forrest2426]

Would only work if you’re a true owner operator and You’re your own safety department

[@TruckingMBA]

Nope, that exception information is transmitted to DOT during inspection.

[@DavidWDavis-xo4tj]

LOL....Those Goobers (Gooberment) got you by your balls! like a child, those Goobers will get you and punish you for disobeying their orders/rules.....they got all truckers by the balls!

[@cryptoanalysts5793]

Attention drivers :-- very important message to all of you who’s run illegal gps or keep trucking or what ever e-log . If you get into a crash and some one get killed and went to court , they will look 👀 up All your phone calls and messages All your logs for the last 6 months All your driving recorded They will try to get your tolls recite and compare them to your log They will try to get a copy of all your bOL and compare them They will try anything , they will try to find recite in your trash and looked them to your e-logs They will look up your work history and all the ticket you diss missed and not showing on your record When a fatal accident happened you might charge with murder , you might go to jail for long time . A lot of new drivers can’t understand it , until they been in court and start hearing those facts then regardless what you say ( your life will be between the judge 👨‍⚖️ hands). If you in fatality accident , first you will be tested in the same min , if it com positive you are fucked Big time . A lot of companies will try so hard to through you under the buss , you ain’t worth millions for them . Run legally or quit this job , people wanna always blame truckers since all of them knows insurance will pay millions for those crashes .

[@cryptoanalysts5793]

webmillions I have a friend been in a crash , the lady T bone him , here car had NO break still , she get killed in that crash when things went to court , here lawyer try to get the driver debit and credit statements 🤣 I was in some of his court hearing before they charge the COMPANY 150 000$ even though it was the women fault , but the company lawyer was saying it is better to settle things Man that was some BS But trust me , in court they always in the 4Wheeler side unless you prove them the car was 100% on fault That’s why buying a camera 📸 will help you a lot in the court

[@cryptoanalysts5793]

baretta369 yeah maybe your 1999 century insurance pay that 1 million :) But when it’s a big company and there is driver fuck around :) it’s Not 1 million Walmart pay Tracy Morgan 300 million if not more :) You wanna drive illegal do it , at the end you are the one who is responsible for what you do .

[@wiredforstereo]

Strict laws exist because some people won't do the right thing without them. We wouldn't have such strict laws if fools weren't out driving for 96 hours on meth.

[@slawomirlech950]

Research has shown that ELD kills more people than elog books, so your opinion does not match up with reality.

[@cryptoanalysts5793]

Slawomir Lech your Midwest running wild , gone son ... you will be on ELD regardless what you say ....go do research your self I don’t need it ... I been driving for 15 years with out being killed so am sure you’re wrong 🤣🤣🤣

[@iivaridark6850]

Someone said there's no need to worry about things you cannot change and no need to worry about things you can...

[@happypappy6371]

Good video. There are multiple drivers that brag about unplugging their ELD when they want to use the truck for personal use, instead of just logging PC.

[@happypappy6371]

@Chin Brumback Too many of these new guys that think the rules don't apply to them.

[@happypappy6371]

@Chin Brumback There is no federal limit on how far you can use PC for. That is up to each individual company. US Express allows 50 miles. Some companies don't allow PC at all. Then there are O/O that use it to go home after they are empty, which is illegal. On one of Jack's earlier videos, he talked about one of their drivers that used PC to go to a truck stop, when he was told he could not park on the receivers lot over night. That is legal. But DOT wrote him up because he did not go to the nearest truck stop. He went to the next one down the road. There is more to that story, but that is the jist of what some drivers do or don't do.

[@happypappy6371]

@Chin Brumback It depends on what you used PC for. If you are sitting at a truck stop and use PC to go to Walmart, the movies, the gym, your girlfriend's, then yes you must return to your starting point of the PC. If you are at a shipper/receiver and run out of hours and they won't let you park there for your 10 hour break or you are parked on an off/on ramp and law enforcement instructs you to move, then you can use PC to move to "the closest safe place to park". That is even if it is going in the wrong direction of your planned trip. Then after your 10 hour break, you proceed from that point of safe parking.

[@NewsChannel-y4g]

@@happypappy6371 meanwhile children waiting for the shipment of grain to hit the docks so the boat can bring it to their third world country starve to death cruelly and helplessly all in the name of safety

[@tonyc4694]

You still have to account for the mileage.

[@wayneroark119]

He did 200MPH from point A to B and will get a speeding ticket under todays auditing system for it. That will result in loss of CDL as well.

[@leonardohitchcock6797]

Throw it out the window while your driving and say she's gone

[@chadjansen7378]

Leonardo Hitchcock that dude was hilarious 😂😂😂

[@arthurpruitt736]

Jack you old double clutcher you, this video was just a warning to your drivers that you will know if they try to cheat you & your company😊😊

[@marvinelder3828]

Very interesting video to say the least. You are absolutely right about drivers needing to do pre-trip. Chances are you will catch something before it becomes an issue. I used to drive and my wife currently drives long haul for local company. Keep up the good work.

[@VIKINGHUN]

I was a Sergeant in the Sheriff's Dept. for many years. You could work around the clock, no physicals or drug tests(except initial),no speed limits,no state certification every year,no governors and make life and death decisions in any state of mind/body. Now that I drive TT for an hour between cities, they give me all kinds of bs red tape,random drug tests, physicals,etc... Someone let the politicians walk all over truckers.

[@franticfactory]

Seems pretty messed up to me! The trucking industry is so overregulated.

[@wiredforstereo]

As an ex cop, you don't any tickets though, right?

[@Idaho83607]

It’s unbelievable

[@MarioIMMakeMoneyOnline]

It's the insurance company lobbying

[@jackfrost4919]

True 100%

[@truckerdave8815]

On the keep trucking app every time you disconnect it from the truck it registers that in. Dot can see it when they did an audit on mine they found every single time I disconnected

[@User37717]

What ended up happening ole trucka

[@truckerdave8815]

@@User37717 luckily he was lenient he grilled me for about an hour then told me all the tickets in the stuff that he can do to my company and said next time it better not be this way ....I chuckled he chuckled and he gave me a weird look and I said yes sir it will not happen again....

[@wayneroark119]

The ELD is actually easier to cheat then the AOELD was. But we don't want to share how because then it would come to an end. The bigger issue is say you park at 4 am on a on ramp into a full rest area knowing a lot of drivers will leave around 5 am and open up some free spots so you can do your 10. well not no more now your stuck on the ramp to get a ticket because if you move 5 to 10 feet they go on the drive line and create a violation of hours of service. you cant even do a yard move without losing your time. Same in a truck stop lot your stuck in the way you cant shower comeback and park. That's all this system does. it strand drivers so they can write more tickets.. so yes we have to find ways to do our job and avoid them tickets. There is a whole slew of other issues this change has brought up by pencil pushers..

[@bill7778]

So your the one that used to park in the fuel island while showering.

[@radmin2000]

Wayne Roark If you driving slower then 5mph ELD will not trigger driving time

[@doody1983]

Use Personal conveyance - it's literally the exact reason for that special status.

[@sean7554]

A driver unplugging their logs is not worth it. Cuz what if something happens, the driver would be screwed. Also I was delivering this morning and there was a driver going like 2 mph. So he wouldn't trip his logs. Just saying that's embarrassing. I hate seeing that, cuz I feel sorry for them. I drove past him obviously, cuz paper. And he was an owner operator, with a pretty nice Classic. Ah man what's going on in trucking!?! Also my brother started driving a truck recently. I tried to talk him out of it, but it didn't work. But luckily he's got his head on straight. He will be going to something more local. As of currently. I'm giving him pointers and advice when he calls. Especially with those elogs. Cuz he does run outta time on occasion, unforeseen events and what not. Planning only gets ya so far. His enthusiasm is mind boggling. Obviously a driver has to be numb to a lot of things to make trucking work these days.

[@gtrob8711]

I do the same at 4mph but 5pmh trip the log

[@globalsacrifice5248]

Probably ran out of DEF LOL

[@randgrithr7387]

Wouldn't be so bad if the drive line kicked in at 15 instead of 5.

[@countrylifetales2700]

What a great demonstration this was, for those drivers that have wondered about this. I'm not a trucker (although I did consider it in my younger years) but, I wouldn't want to be trucker now, in today's world of 'no privacy'. Thanks for the great videos.

[@sean7554]

Good thinking, trucking is not worth it. No privacy, no freedom. And a driver having to resort to gauging their pride based on how much of a professional sheep they can be is just sad.

[@GMY716]

I watched this for 12 mins just for u to say naw u can’t do it

[@1999VR4]

G M lmao right?!

[@fgggfffg7645]

His voice is better than any sleeping pills

[@christopherhayles4214]

He’s a Asshole

[@frankstocker1921]

Spoiler alert.

[@kennethsmith8968]

just run a pre emission truck

[@911DavisCarrera]

Not in California I’m telling you that rn 😂

[@conorpiuma88]

i just started my authority fod interstate...can i run off paper or phone till my device comes in

[@911DavisCarrera]

@@conorpiuma88 no if you crossing federal lines you mush have a full compliance elog authorized by the fmcsa

[@colinwallace5286]

Actually, you mean “pre-electronic”. 1999 is the cutoff. There aren’t that many people who can deal with a truck that old, unless you can get yourself one of the remaining gliders out there.

[@daltonpatrick883]

Wish it would go back to paper the only time people can really give their family half of what they want!

[@Boomhauer333]

This is good to watch for the people who actually believe they can get away with shit like this... and then they're in shock when DOT shuts them down for falsifying logs.

[@Boomhauer333]

On another note though: To me the e-log restrictions are absolutely criminal in nature. Whoever came up with all of those income reducing/time wasting laws and regulations should receive life in prison without parole.

[@NHZ_x4]

You sound like your actually in favor of the redcoats? I mean DOT officers ? You can lick their boots all your want son they own you once you plug in that ELD I’m a grown man I decide when I’m tired and how long I need to sleep I don’t need the government to do that for me it’s illegal it violates the 4th amendment

[@Martin-hd1es]

You can cheat all you want.....but if you're ever in an accident and someone dies, kiss your life goodbye 👋 🎶

[@sword-and-shield]

Usually the case anyway, sure it will be worse when they prove falsification.

[@bblaam27]

Your life is gone if it's your fault even if your logs are accurate. Ijs.

[@sword-and-shield]

@@bblaam27 It will affect the degree of manslaughter, and the resulting sentence . So prison sentence or not can be the diff. with proven falsification

[@OneHonestCritic]

Is it any different if you fudged your logs on paper? If done right, it’ll just look like you got into an accident running legally.

[@sword-and-shield]

@@OneHonestCritic Don't know if you were asking me, but paper, electronic, either one matters, if they PROVE falsification, the charges and sentence is worse. With a death the legal team will pull out all stops to prove falsification, scales, tolls, traffic cams etc...better line up with the paper fudggin...and it does not have to be falsification on THAT specific day either. I know a driver that got prison sentence for exactly this, so I am not just bs you.

[@robertweber2145]

Really good to see you out and about jack. Have a super weekend and keep cool.

[@gtrob8711]

The ELD use the abs tone rings to turn on your reading, disconnect the abs sensor and see if the ELD can read your speed.

[@dwalk2191]

Say word

[@leeakers4525]

I spent 13 years running big trucks back and forth across this great nation of ours. The vast majority of that time was pulling reefers. After two major crashes, I finally got tired of being forced to run too farm too fast, and in too short a time. It is virtually impossible to keep track of three or four log books when you are physically and mentally exhausted. I ran e-logs for a short time after my retirement, as a fill in driver. There are some disadvantages, such as running out of hours 50 miles from home. But It was so great being able to run legally. When I reached point B, I was rested, and not so jangled that I couldn't even remember my name. (30 hours without sleep will do that to you, and I don't take pills) As an employed, paid by the mile driver, e-logs are just alright with me.

[@FRRitter]

Interesting video Jack, we appreciate your taking us along!

[@majiswiiff]

Your the feds

[@phillipwardjr.8064]

Also, when Mr. DOT looks at logs during roadside, he also sees unidentified driving as well. And will note on inspection report accordingly.

[@SelfMadeEntourage]

Lol you can reject those

[@404TRUCKERTV]

I did that a few times but when i got my audit. the dot found it, the eld registers it as a disconnect. they will find it because they download your data file and run it through their system. he gave me slap on the hand and said too many of them will put you out of service lol.

[@pete35901]

you can use personal conveyance to move around a truck stop and to drive to a truck stop. You can be fully loaded and use personal conveyance. If you get to a city on friday and dont unload until monday, you can drive around on personal conveyance from store to store or wherever.

[@andrep8287]

...correct, as long as you return to the exact location where you began your PUC period. Also, don't forget to still conduct a DVI (Daily Vehicle Inspection), because the one you did while still "on-the-clock" expires after 24-hours.

[@kngpin48]

I wonder what the safety dept said when they saw me drive 700 miles on a personal convenience move!.....lol

[@dexx13mh]

Were you empty? Lol

[@kngpin48]

@@dexx13mh Nope I had a full load....lol... I was around 76k

[@andrep8287]

it may come as a surprise to you, but in the US - with the most recent changes to the rules - there is no distance limit for your loaded or empty "PUC/Personal-Use Conveyance" move.......EXCEPT, that you must return to the same location where you began the PUC move, before you go back on-duty! So, if you ran 700 miles in PUC-mode, that means 350 miles one-way and another 350 miles back to the start line....more power to you, but you just wasted the equivalent in fuel for nought ;-( On the other hand, I would not recommend to do that kind of distance in PUC-mode while in Canada: here we are limited to 75 km/day (46.8 miles), and you must be either in bob-tail mode or in an empty box-truck.

[@kngpin48]

@@andrep8287 It may come to a surprise to YOU but imma Outlaw.... I ran from Utah to California fully loaded and fresh outta hours back to my state. There was no round trip! I did what I did with a full load, signed bill of lading and an I don't give a fuck attitude!....I've wasted nothing but time breaking it down for your slow azz!

[@dickburt69]

KNGPIN GANGSTA And when you get in an accident, even if it’s not your fault, you’re going to get everything taken from you in a lawsuit and sent to prison.

[@rebekahbrundage3509]

Paper logs,or ELD my husband still made the same miles everyday.. he started at the same time, and ended at the same time everyday. He started at 5am at some truck stop pick up a load a run for 5.5hrs take a break, then run 5.5 more and be done for the day at 645pm

[@bojankljajic5408]

Your husband is local driver. Other guys work much harder than your husband (doing Over The Road) and do not have time for waist. That is why ELD is not good solution.

[@rebekahbrundage3509]

He drives OTR for a company out of grand rapids, He was driving for a company that hauled freight out of buffalo to Idaho every week.

[@bojankljajic5408]

@@rebekahbrundage3509 that is mean that he is company driver and that makes difference. He doesn't care about wasting time waiting for brokers to get a load etc. I am owner operator OTR and things are much different than with your husband.

[@1312cc]

Companies nowadays must schedule driver's loads to be picked up, driven to the consignee while allowing for all the mandatory stops according to the law, and still arrive at the receiver ON TIME. When I drove OTR in the 70's and 80's, if you didn't break all the driving laws, every load you pulled would have been delivered LATE - and for that, a driver would be fired if it happened more than once.

[@leavingasap843]

You will get caught every time which ensures more DOT Inspector jobs, you're just screwing yourself every which way.

[@thatsright5564]

Some truckers seem to forget that there not the only ones on the rd. They have rules that are not pointed at one individual but them all. Yes not everyone's sleep patterns are the same but out of all reality is it worth screwing around with ur logs. My family all drive on major hwy and would like to know that all truckers are well rested and following the rules so that there safe as well as everyone else that's driving on are roads.

[@CrismaFire]

Different models can be tricked. If it is hardwired into system they put a tiny fuse hidden in fuse area that ties the system in. If you remove that extra fuse it is still powered up but no longer reads truck is moving. You can drive all day and it leaves you at off duty. Follow the wires but only works on hardwired systems

[@Cubanguy1977]

I found out on keep trucking if you go under no vehicle you can drive as long as you want and the GPS wont be active but you gotta come back to the same spot or close enough to go back under your vehicle number and itll show like you never left that spot

[@DaveG7920]

I can see why people get frustrated with logs but on the other hand if you cant make a living doing 14 hour days, you really need a different job. Paying drivers by the hour would solve a lot of the problems.

[@reuventhehotboy]

Paying by the hour would need to be 70×$25= 1750 gross a week if you work 5 days 14 hours a day ....OTR or 20$ an hour locally at least 60 hrs

[@jaybahre]

Good video, And remember a truck driver always has enough hours to get himself home but never enough hours to do something for dispatch that he doesn't want to do. Cheating on log books.

[@MarioIMMakeMoneyOnline]

What does this mean

[@awesomesauce9613]

You’re an idiot… makes no sense at all you reject

[@parentsbasement7734]

No matter what ELD you have or your company uses no matter how you unhook it you will always show miles without hours. So you will have to show or have proof of where the miles came from

[@vincentabril9994]

Loved the angel music once you plugged the ELD back in :-)

[@jamesleake2121]

So it boils down can’t cheat on your electronic logs cause you still will get caught but when a shipper or a receiver holds a driver up for long periods of time to load or unload and then you can’t stop the 14 hour clock and run out of time and they want you off their property but no time to drive to a safe place to park cause every truck stop is full for a hundred miles then what does a driver do

[@happypappy6371]

That is when you are allowed to use Personal Conveyance to drive to the "closest safe place", even if it is in the wrong direction.

[@HansenTrucking]

The DOT inspections side of the app will indicate there had been a disconnect. They will also see a discrepancy in miles and odometer readings. Or is short You've hidden nothing and will get caught. One interesting point of interest, however. After checking out my speedometer censer (at back of transmission) I forgot to plug back in and started driving. I had only driven about 3 miles before noticing that not only was my speedometer not working but my that my ELD also had not kicked me into "on duty driving." Got under the truck and plugged the censor back in and all went back to working as usual. I didn't ever go back to experiment cheating in such a way, but found it interesting none the less.

[@dsm4719]

What if you had an accident during the log book unplugged?

[@fredashay]

He'd be in deep poo-poo!!!

[@dons8122]

Then your arse would be in a sling most of all if it was a fatality.

[@dons8122]

but he wasn't in any trouble really being with in his 100 mile radius

[@sohailskyvlogs9592]

I’m going to be a truck driving what your advice to me?

[@indianajack]

It is still a great choice for a career but changing rapidly. HURRY! :-)

[@MoscowBaseStation]

I don’t mind running the ELD’s but the only thing that sucks is if for instance bad weather like a snow storm is coming your way and you are on your break at a truck stop obviously you would like to leave and get away from the snowstorm before it comes , Instead of just sitting at the truck stop on your break like a bump on a log . I would run according to my sleep clock and according to the weather but these days you can’t do that unfortunately.

[@jefrey5578]

I have been looking at getting back in to trucking. I stopped in 1998. I used to run dual log books. Is there a way to do that with the electronic system or is that now impossible? At least, back then, it was impossible to make money without running multiple logbooks. These were the kind that yyou used pencil to fill out. You older guys know what Im talking about. Any help would be super appreciated! Thanks.

[@laceydevillier3922]

2000 or newer has to have the bs eld

[@fleetcomm1]

Electronic logging is infallible. I was one of the first safety managers to use electronic logs in 1990-1991. Rockwell’s Tripmaster, Xata, Cadec had to build fail safes to catch any cheating by drivers. I went to work for Rockwell in 1996 traveling and training. I was asked by companies like Sysco & Shell to verify a driver’s claim or support and explain the electronic log. It’s been so long now that I only worked with the 60 - 70 hours of service.. Don’t mess with it. You’ll never know when DOT wants to audit your files. (The company’s files)

[@2500grit]

Everything is fallible you just have to figure it out, like the voting debacle in 2020.

[@mikeroy9528]

I always chuckle when I hear someone talk about the government doing this to us. If the insurance and trucking industry didn't want it to happen, the change to E-logs would never have happened. They would have just slipped the politicians a few more bucks and voilà, status quo. The perception of rouge truckers, sleepy truckers, and accident causing truckers on the road along with some real life million dollar law suits against trucking companies brought about the regulation changes. IMHO

[@mistailluzionthatrucker2675]

Besides the fact of multi million dollar accidents...and other negative aspects related !....If YOU dont think the fmcsa is in bed with our CORRUPT ass goverment in order to control the flow of revenue in their favor...then YOU sir are just as naive !!! Keep on "CHUCKLIN" !

[@guruoo]

That is x-actly how it works. The fat cats control everything. If you want to find who they are, just take note of who's ultimately profits from economic downturns. Recessions never happen by accident.

[@CIorox_BIeach]

Insurance and trucking companies wouldn't be able to pull this shit if it weren't for the government going along with their crap.

[@mikeroy9528]

@@CIorox_BIeach Yep, that's what I said.

[@kens.3729]

The problem with attempting to Cheat the system is when you get caughtm it is Big trouble with your employer and DOT. Bad News for the Driver! 🙄

[@allanj4576]

Really? It's just a small fine in Canada, a few hundred dollars. No big deal.

[@DavidWDavis-xo4tj]

@@allanj4576 Well Peter, here in the good ole U.S. of A. we {Truckers} are treated like children by the Gooberment, and let me tell ya, if you disobey those Goobers they will fuck your life up or at least your driving career....Goobers rule with a iron fist here!!!

[@angelomichel6074]

@@allanj4576 here inj the us the treat you as a murder

[@wealthyblackman2655]

Keep Trucking logs use a 5 pin adapter and directly link to the ECM... the odometer will roll over plus the ECM hour meter... these are easily accessible as information to bust you cheating...

[@PlemonsLawnCare]

In my neck of the woods. I live in dalton Chatsworth area. Good ole Dalton trailer been there before with the same outcome you had rejected repairs

[@sylvainbiensur7370]

Very good video and thank you for saying it’s all about safety !!! That’s what is really important !!!

[@CountryTron]

Can d.o.t see the disconnect? 🤔 when they transferred your logs

[@flowmaster2010]

Go to the dot mode! Look at all the info they get, it even shows when you log out and log in, it shows when you start and stop the engine, and it also shows some "int location" data

[@albarnhill1487]

Nice video, very helpful. I'm interested in options for ELD exempt trucks as far as electronic logging goes..

[@andrep8287]

For the time being, the "Drive-Away" industry is still exempted from ELD logging. Or, if having no wheels under your butt when you deliver the freight (the truck) is not your thing, you could always consider the other legal exemption from ELD: find a power-unit with a model year of 2000 or earlier (and, thereafter find a carrier to hire & insure you with such an "old" truck), then you will be legally exempted from running an ELD.

[@larry0803]

Or, buy a new glider with a pre emissions engine

[@rajpoot0426]

How will you match your odometer (36 miles driven) with your e logs?

[@oscarv8377]

what I was thinking about unplugging the speedometer but I don’t know if the def would be a problem

[@ksolo1960]

Hello Jack! Great video. Have a question. Say your on the road, have an abscessed tooth, find a dentist to pull it but its an hour away and your out of hrs to drive should you leave your truck in traffic n call Uber. Or continue, and could the driver be penalized?? We're just talkin here! Lol Glad to see you back!🤙🤙

[@indianajack]

I guess you would have to get to a truck stop and then Uber to a dentist.

[@ksolo1960]

@@indianajack guess? My question is, are their provisions for medical emergencies??

[@happypappy6371]

That is a case where you can use PC. Personal use allows you to go to the mall, movies, Walmart, doctor, etc. Then return where you started from.

[@NewsChannel-y4g]

@@happypappy6371 does personal carry allow you to load grain on the docks so kids dont starve to death in foreign countries or run fuel to a hospital generator so patients dont die because a transformer overloaded? No....hmm...so people die from it....hmmm....how many....hmmm....probably many more than die from truck related accidents

[@demarionboyd5375]

Hey, you still gone have to take a 10 in 14 hrs due to you started your pretrip when you did . If you wouldn't have took your or logged your pretrip . If your getting paid for it you have to log it unless your trying to get to a safe place to park with PC !

[@shammi8133]

When you reconected the software on the phone should have offered you the opportunity to accept or reject the disconected drive time; you know just in case a screw came loose or you had a faulty plug, also to let the driver save face and find out in the truck they got away with nothing

[@eagle1333]

Ah the good old days of paper logs.....! Good video Jack, there's just no way around it.......YET!

[@MetalMusicManiac]

Mhmm open road tolling I'm sure somewhere partially keeps an eye on hours since it's run by the state

[@eagle1333]

@@MetalMusicManiac true, can't take a leak without someone watchin'...

[@Houndini]

Few years back. Police had shoot out with guys pulled robbery killed Husband & Wife many states away. I think local news media screw up. This a little small country area very low Pop..150+ miles any big town, They had already License Plate reader camera's on 4-lane they reported Police was waiting on them and knew they was keep coming there way. You watched more than you think.

[@1jon439]

My wife works on the tech business. She did something on my sonar system logs and now i can drive while i'm off duty or sleeping i can do changes while I'm driving. 😎😎😎👍👍👍👍👍

[@rbtwll9224]

not good the feds get paid to fuck the driver even if he runs legally

[@ibimboto8875]

Im interested

[@montigo0000]

So how would you explain the jump in miles?

[@wiredforstereo]

Didn't watch the whole video, DID YA?

[@oldtrucker672]

Jack; Do you have any blooper reels you could string together for a video?

[@JohnnyRebKy]

I’ve never used anything but loose leaf paper logs. I quit driving 10 years ago and never used E logs before. I’m thinking about going back to driving but I dunno how I could get anything done with those e logs 🤦‍♂️. If I lost 4 hours trying to get loaded back then I could just log it as off duty and mark 15 mins loading and save all that time. Or if it took 4 hours to get somewhere that should only take 2 hours I could log it as 2 hours and get back the other 2 hours. But these e logs ???? I have no clue

[@TheAndrewRousselJourney]

What about the difference in the mileage

[@gloriaibarra8496]

Is there a way to put the hours waiting to be load towards resting time? Cus technically that is what u do when all u have is to wait. But somehow that wait time or lost time is included in the driving time. That is where I see it as a disadvantage and a steal.

[@davesmith2150]

You're driving local you don't need logs correct? 150 mile as a crow flies. I'm OTR OO I don't want to drive over 70hrs or over 11. I'm done after 600 or 700 miles. If I ever leave a place and then come right back I'll put that off duty personal conveyance. Is it true they are going to extend the 14-hour clock to 17 that's going to be sweet.

[@thomaskirkpatrick4031]

I'm with you. I don't want to have to work that hard to make a living.

[@andrep8287]

There is talk about allowing up to 3 hours of 'dead-time', which would stop the 14-hour clock from ticking....with the condition that you would be required to take the full 10 hours of rest at the end of the 17-hour "tour-of-duty", before starting a new shift. However, the "Public Comment" period only just ended last Saturday (Oct.19th), and the regulators now have to sift through the pros and cons of these comments. So, if I were you, I would wait until the changes are edged-in-stone, before considering any of them.

[@thomascampbell763]

Never had to use an eld but I hear alot of remarks about the driver can't really control their schedule say in the event of hours of bumper to bumper traffic like you can a paper log. (Hard to believe the driver can't choose to stop somewhere and take the rest time during an event like that) but it Seems like it would really help keep track of things like the milage per state for IFTA. Weather someone likes the ELD or not, trucks are being overly regulated again. What do y'all think of this new mandatory CDL "college course" they are putting into affect come February 7th?

[@hollywoodsaint57]

you can do 2 things in bumper to bumper traffic... if your going under 5mph you can switch to on or off duty which saves your drive time...Ive done this for an hour and it reset my break clock... or you can go into split log mode if you take 2 hours consecutively off....but then at the end of your shift you will have go into sleeper berth for 8 hours minimum.... split logs make everything so much easier you can waste 8 hours at a delivery or pick up on off duty unloading or loading in the notes......then get all that time back when you begin to drive. keep truckin even has a split log clock that keeps track of your hours

[@joka2200]

I guess only drivers view these pages. 😒😒😒🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@patriot8087]

Indiana Jack the GPS won't let you start a a different location. RIGHT? I noticed you had to go back to the food lion.

[@BadEye3621]

And then you get into an accident end up killing somebody it’s not your fault at all then an investigation starts and you go to prison don’t do this guys

[@relaxsleep9189]

Why did you lament at the end? This video you made, was excellent! Very informative! Are you a 'less government' thinker? Your Government wants less exhausted 'Professional' drivers being SAFE OTR. You must know about the horrific tragedies out there on drivers for a number of reasons pushing too hard or cheating the system. Let's be safe out there, first! Move forward!

[@NewsChannel-y4g]

20,000 people die every day of starvation. Kinda dwarfs truck accidents. Their is always something you lose when you mitigate risk. So risk management is the key. In my opinion if that trucker wants to hall that load an extra couple hours so he can drop off some grain at a dock that will help those starrving then its all worth it.....but some people only see the tradgedy they want to see.

[@roncathey8522]

The DOT is free to change the HOS rule publication date. Following the publication of the Notice of Proposed Rule Making, the FMCSA will again accept public comments before publishing the changes as a Final Rule. When federal authorities started the process of HOS regulation change in August of 2018, the FMCSA asked for public comment on HOS regulation reform and received thousands of responses from the trucking industry as well as the public at large. Specifically, they asked the public to weigh in on four specific areas of HOS regulation: Expanding the current 100 air-mile “short-haul” exemption from 12 hours on-duty to 14 hours on-duty, in order to be consistent with the rules for long-haul truck drivers; Extending the current 14-hour on-duty limitation by up to two hours when a truck driver encounters adverse driving conditions; Revising the current mandatory 30-minute break for truck drivers after 8-hours of continuous driving; and Reinstating the option for splitting up the required 10-hour off-duty rest break for drivers operating trucks that are equipped with a sleeper-berth compartment. The FMCSA also asked the public for comment on two petitions: An Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association (OOIDA) petition that would allow drivers to take up to a three hour off-duty rest break during a 14 hour day period. OOIDA’s petition also asks for the elimination of the 30 minute rest break. A Trucker Nation petition that would “revise the prohibition against driving after the 14th hour of the beginning of the work shift, allow drivers to use multiple off-duty periods of three hours or longer in lieu of having 10 consecutive hours off-duty, and eliminate the 30-minute rest break requirement.”

[@kngrojak]

What about unplugging the road speed sensor?

[@thomasshirley5046]

That wouldn't work neither because my truck was towed before and it still triggered my elog. They must use gps idk? Try it though just 4 the hell of it it may work?

[@McNair1952]

Jack, what would have happened if the cops had stopped you with the log disconnected? That might have been a bit embarrassing. Jack, "well officer I'm making a video about why you can't cheat the system". Police officer "tell that to the judge".

[@DanielGarcia-zz9eg]

Do you have the latest new pplnet. The new system I cant move not even 1 foot. So far if you in the SB I manage to move 30 yards without switching to driving

[@aaronhartmann7658]

We have omnitracs. Its 10mpd 2mins atm. Once December comes. It will change to 5mph and 300 yards unless on yard move.

[@Krieghandt]

As much as you guys have trouble with getting repairs, you guys should start up your own repair shop. I have a neighbor that does cheat the system. Took me awhile to figure it out, but he hotshots, and uses 2 trucks, one with an ELD and his home truck. He logs off ~8pm, picks up his next load at midnight with his home truck, then swaps the trailer at 6am, and rolls out with a full 10 hours in the sleeper. But that's not going to work for OTR.

[@TheEljash]

If you got caught doing this what would you say to a 0 tolerance fine?

[@C_Tovar_503]

In my company if I disconnect the elog I get fired immediately

[@Greg3070]

If that's true, how do they know it wasn't an electrical failure? They do fail sometimes. That's why we are required to carry a log book.

[@C_Tovar_503]

We are supposed to notify our safety manager as soon as we notice that it’s failing. We certainly can’t drive until they authorize us to do so.

[@Greg3070]

@@C_Tovar_503 yes, but I've had them fail and didn't know. It depends on what the failure is. If it gues black, then it's obvious, but a communication failure may never be noticed. To me trucking jobs have been a dime a dozen, I've quit, been fired and just vanished from one. Another job was ready for me a few days after I started looking. So I never really cared about their rules. I'll comply with the laws, but threats of a trucking company are right down there with a pissed off 711 clerk.

[@indianajack]

What ELD program are you using?

[@jcdahippie]

Use personal conveyance. Don't unplug it. Besides that, you synchronized it with the app on your phone. Your phone used GPS to give the miles driven and your location. It doesn't need to be hooked to your truck. Your ELD does show your odometer reading. So unplugging it is worthless. It will show the different reading when you plug it back in.

[@MarkHerndon]

What Jack does not mention is dispatch being able to edit logs but not the driver. The other main issue is having to move really slow around the parking lot. For example the other driver decides to park his trailer clear across the truck stop and refuses to move it close. So you 3mph in your bobtail to keep from going on duty driving during your break across the truck stop. It's currently set up for the company to work you to the max and set all the fault on the driver for insurance purposes. Meanwhile the authorities are endlessly chanting "safety" but dispatch has you working during your break. So it's right back to how it was when I started driving back in 1998 - NO SLEEP!

[@indianajack]

Now with a new ELDs we cannot do any editing.

[@vincej4319]

If your eld fails for unforseen reasons, you have 6 days to back it up with paper logs.

[@colinwallace5286]

With a letter from your company or provider explaining what’s wrong with it. Easier to just run it. It allows me to work harder than I really want to.

[@rballisticallycorrectgoins5916]

Erods is the federal program that they use and they can see the same thing. A good inspector will see the compression.

[@tiredoldmechanic1791]

Many drivers perform pre-trip inspections from the drivers seat or the sleeper. Some companies require a video of the inspection after they found out that drivers weren't doing inspections. The location marked and time stamped video is sent to the home office.

[@starastronomer]

The company supplies you the camera?

[@philfredericks5198]

You can’t perform a legal pre trip holding a camera

[@tiredoldmechanic1791]

@@philfredericks5198 They make chest mounts for cameras, cell phones and tablets.

[@captainkangaroo4301]

What is this a 1977 video. I used to run two books back then, as most of us did.

[@GSDKXV]

Why 3 instead of just two?

[@ukiemanserg5163]

Jeff J what’s 3 books for? I ran 1 and was fine

[@captainkangaroo4301]

40 years ago I used to run 175,000 miles a year and couldn’t log it legally. I needed to always have two books going the third one was a spare so I could start a fresh one every few days showing that I’d been off duty long enough to recoup my 70 hours. Now days with ELD it’s pretty much impossible for dispatchers to get drivers to run illegally.

[@captainkangaroo4301]

The third was a spare to start over every few days to keep hours available.

[@AlfredFlores-n7d]

Well you can buy a 2000 year model truck I heard and run paper logs or put a 2000 motor in a truck and run paper logs

[@isaelbf]

DOT Officers taking notes 📝🧐🤣

[@TheWholeGrainBread_Real]

Jack, were you in the military? I dont remember ever hearing that.

[@mikefortune4796]

Hi Jack cheaters never prosper you may think your getting away with cheating but you will be cought out so its just not worth it

[@myhomeindallas6186]

Hello - Can you log in as someone else to bypass?

[@troiecanter3745]

Can't they compare the mileage from your eld to your truck??

[@BannerSound]

Am glad I watched the entire video to the end before I commented- This, and the "warning" is good to know! I personally prefer e-logs over paper logs bcz when I was a new driver, the 2 mega- carriers I drove for (2006-2009) that still used paper logs were constantly encouraging us to cheat; Code was "Work it out on your logs"- When we began using e-logs they could not do this anymore!

[@certified_boogeyman]

I used to think like you until I got my own truck Now the clock is my enemy The shippers, receivers and brokers waste so much time

[@garoshamirian]

All ELD does is makes you a criminal before you commit the crime ,these are all rules and regulations to make the mega carriers rich while the owner operator gets stuck with the bill that's all.

[@alexd1706]

Doesn't it show any unidentified drivings ? Any differences in odometer ?

[@karolinajasaityte8516]

I work in a safety department and yes, we can see all these drive statuses as Unidentified. Not sure about the ones when they unplug, but if they drive with their Tablets turned off, it shows as unidentified status and drivers have to claim their drive status back to the log. Also, yes, odometer is showing mileage too so it is visible to the ones who know where to look. I hate these kind of videos, because drivers watch it and think it works. BUT IT DON'T WORK and it ruins our, safety officers, work. Uggghhhh

[@scottcampbell2104]

How many traffic cameras did you pass? Im guessing at least one

[@harmonymartinez2954]

Ok so what if you get to California and it shows your at the food lion 10 min ago and now you 1500 miles away in 10min?

[@bobwinters6459]

If you get stopped somewhere for a DOT inspection and it shows the ELD was disconnected, you're screwed! Not worth it! Even worse if you're involved in a accident and the investigation shows your ELD was disconnected, they will crucify you!

[@indianajack]

I think you got the point.

[@moesamouri4120]

I am wondering if DOT officers ask you email or fax your elog. Which one he will get ?

[@lonewolf7309]

Is all that transmitted to the dot also?

[@indianajack]

No, it is just recorded.

[@blakeburdette7171]

If you get inspected, or DOT decides to give you an audit...then it does.

[@redpilled3569]

Are all eld’s a little box on the dash?

[@SuperBighead1973]

Easy enough. Just get rid of OTR with the exceptions of hot loads like Flowers, Meat, time sensitive stuff. Go to intermodal for the majority, and lose the sleeperbirths. Win win, truckers home every night, truck isn't running while driver sleeps, and no need for so many damn regulations on the driver.

[@ericsoles1055]

Some companies may have a safe guard in place if someone unplug it may set off a something in the company office