How to corner and brake on a sport bike.

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Barney Stafford

Barney Stafford

Күн бұрын

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@tomthompson7400
@tomthompson7400 6 жыл бұрын
best eight mins of instruction ive seen , and ive been riding bikes for fourty years
@orishaphotos481
@orishaphotos481 3 жыл бұрын
Got dang! 40 years
@tomthompson7400
@tomthompson7400 3 жыл бұрын
@@orishaphotos481 yep ... and I still think I'm about twenty six .... strange thing is that riding bikes seems to slow down the aging process .... that's my story and I'm sticking to it ...
@iandavies6620
@iandavies6620 10 жыл бұрын
So sad Andy Ibbot had that massive stroke. I hope he recovers enough one day to continue teaching. He is the master!
@aliray1165
@aliray1165 6 жыл бұрын
Ian Davies he’s amazing. First off a really nice guy and clear instruction. I watched the unemployable documentary and I swear his story was fucking heart breaking. But it taught me a lot about adversity and strength of character. His legacy is teaching.
@sk2283
@sk2283 6 жыл бұрын
I saw that and it was a tear jerker, I was shocked how the racing world had dropped him even though he still has so much to give and wants to work, he is a top bloke.
@jesse2006
@jesse2006 6 жыл бұрын
@@aliray1165 I tried to Google for that documentary and I can't find anything do you have a link
@aliray1165
@aliray1165 5 жыл бұрын
jesse2006 it’s very new, possibly a bbc documentary
@pmacc3557
@pmacc3557 Жыл бұрын
@@aliray1165 Il certainly look this up. iv issues sometimes where i lock up on handlebars, my hand having all the weight on a downward turn...halfway thru the vid and hes pointed out the obvious mistake im makin...great stuff.
@alpha1k-
@alpha1k- 5 жыл бұрын
This is a great tool... your weak points can be dissected in real time. But at the end of the day it all still depends on your ability to apply instructions.
@touristguy87
@touristguy87 11 жыл бұрын
"Believe me...1/16th of the throttle too much and you will whipe. Espeically when you start chipping these bikes." that's true with any bike of any power level
@touristguy87
@touristguy87 11 жыл бұрын
acutally that's not quite true, ,you have two cables on a bike, one that opens the throttle and another that closes the throttle. To close the throttle you have to actually twist the throttle handle backwards. The free play is the difference between when the open-throttle cable starts to open the throttle-body (for lack of a better phrase) and when the close-throttle cable begins to close the throttle-body. So, even if you have the throttle halfway open say, the free-play still matters.
@SuperChunk51
@SuperChunk51 10 жыл бұрын
Hey i was watching that . ..............cut-off
@jamessowin2505
@jamessowin2505 9 жыл бұрын
Andy smith Yah rude. I want to know the difference between leaning while up against the tank, and leaning while your slid away from the tank.
@fhhfgj
@fhhfgj 9 жыл бұрын
+James Sowin Watch "Twist of the Wrist" by Keith Code. It is brilliant, you will learn so much in one hour.
@jryer1
@jryer1 6 жыл бұрын
@James Sowin - Leaning while up against the tank usually happens just before, during and after hard braking into a slow corner. In contrast, leaning while back in the seat (away from tank) is usually done in fast corners when little or no braking is needed. We don't want to be too far back in the seat under hard braking into a slow corner, this may result in a front end low side because the front end of the bike may not be under enough load. The body up against the tank, in a hard braking slow corner, compresses the suspension and increases front tire mechanical grip because the body weight slightly flattens the front tire, thus increases the contact patch onto the pavement. The trade off is the bike will not steer very well during hard braking. As they say, nothing is free.
@TheDestroyer8065
@TheDestroyer8065 10 жыл бұрын
so why you stop filming? isn't done yet!
@crosswire7777
@crosswire7777 6 жыл бұрын
Dave Benson i ran out of film
@josejimenez-gw5yl
@josejimenez-gw5yl 9 жыл бұрын
Cant wait to try this tomorrow i do realise that when im pushing on the handle bars my hands and wrists get sore even numb.
@kamiazee
@kamiazee 10 жыл бұрын
I wish this video was longer, this makes a lot of sense! Hopefully it gets warmer soon so i can practice
@wisnuyogapraditya6108
@wisnuyogapraditya6108 6 жыл бұрын
Guy : so, what do you normally ride? Me : your mom. Guy : hmm, a pure blood rider.
@barneystafford
@barneystafford 14 жыл бұрын
There is no part 2 I'm afraid. It stop abruptly because the camera ran out of battery. Sorry.
@SnapShot83
@SnapShot83 14 жыл бұрын
nice video, too bad there isn't part two, i learned a few things from this. thanks for sharing :)
@TNRJ125
@TNRJ125 9 жыл бұрын
Great vid, but where's part 2?
@Sexyoldgeraldorivera
@Sexyoldgeraldorivera 7 жыл бұрын
well tomorrow's commute will be interesting...
@ThePsvan
@ThePsvan 12 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna try that. I was riding in some very strong cross wind gusts and had to keep very light on the bars and hold myself in place with my knees on the tank just to maintain control. If you're stiff-armed the wind moves your upper body and causes steering inputs you don't want. Same basic idea.
@aldo5658
@aldo5658 Жыл бұрын
That makes sense
@Youngsoldier93
@Youngsoldier93 12 жыл бұрын
you'll be surprised about the amount of people that do not know what counter steering does lol practice it on a bike (pedal) to get the hang of it even though im a year late on this lol
@Sam_Pillay
@Sam_Pillay 8 жыл бұрын
Really good instruction.
@VisualTekStudios
@VisualTekStudios 8 жыл бұрын
These tips completely changed my riding style
@Yestes
@Yestes 8 жыл бұрын
Have you noticed much difference in the corners ?
@rdavid1149
@rdavid1149 14 жыл бұрын
Cool vid dude...thats a nice set-up they have there for a quick lesson on weight and body position. Need to check out some shows in the U.S. and see if they have a simulator like that.
@FirebladeGrowler
@FirebladeGrowler 11 жыл бұрын
PS: I've been riding for about 10 years so I'm fairly experienced. I've owned various sports bikes and have been a courier in London. A few weeks ago I slipped on a cold tire. I was stupid and temporarily forgot how torqy my bike is. This is a simple mistake that I had made after all this time just beacuse of a lapse in concentration. It was literally 1/16th too much throttle and it cost me allot. It's not so bad for the 600 class.
@Miz300zx
@Miz300zx 6 жыл бұрын
What if my motorbike had wheels?.
@FirebladeGrowler
@FirebladeGrowler 11 жыл бұрын
Yeah the tire size has a huge effect on your confidence when leaning. I started on a CBR 600RR and was confident of doing it within days. This isn't a reflection on me tho. It's a reflection on how well these modern bikes are built. I can almost gurantee that you'd feel the same if you had the 180/190 rear Due to riding a 125, If you brought a 600/750/1000cc bike now...you'd think it was easy to get your knee down mate
@masterpmc
@masterpmc 9 жыл бұрын
This is one off the first thing we learn in Norway when we take the license!
@tomazek94
@tomazek94 7 жыл бұрын
My question: while braking before corner, should you sit one fist away from your tank or push yourself more to the rear part of the seat or have a contact with tank?
@peanutbutterwelder
@peanutbutterwelder 9 жыл бұрын
I watched this video years ago when I had my harley but after buying my 300 remembering his advice has made me very confident and fast when cornering his advise could save so many people with bigger bikes that are afraid of leaning or have run off the road or fell over while turning due to bad form
@LCRRcreed
@LCRRcreed 10 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Put a lot of things in perspective for me!
@Trickshot72
@Trickshot72 8 жыл бұрын
Instead of offering ABS and traction control, manufactures would prevent more crashes by offering free track day tutelage.
@ZiggySheppardUK
@ZiggySheppardUK 8 жыл бұрын
+Colin Morgan (Trickshot72) What's wrong with offering both? And why is it the manufacturer's responsibility? If you are doing something that has higher risk than other pursuits, it is your own responsibility to make sure you're doing it safely.
@Trickshot72
@Trickshot72 8 жыл бұрын
Ziggy Sheppard I didn't say it is the manufacturers responsibility, but if they have enough interest in rider safety to offer ABS, then why not offer training, as this would prevent more crashes. Prevention being better than cure.
@krytenLister
@krytenLister 8 жыл бұрын
....or pay for your own ongoing training????
@DamedFilms
@DamedFilms 8 жыл бұрын
MOney..... doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
@JDeezle21
@JDeezle21 8 жыл бұрын
To address everyone's comments Money is the the excuse or answer. Being smart is. The first thing most riders do after buying there bike is spend more money on modifications on making the bike go faster instead of spending half of that on making them ride better. If most people put the money into riding schools or advanced riding courses than you will increase your skill, become a safer rider, and actually lower your insurance rates.
@Gilaskoram
@Gilaskoram 11 жыл бұрын
Some of the best information I've seen yet, and I love the teaching style with the mock up bike.
@rockel83
@rockel83 6 жыл бұрын
Too bad the recording stops at that point where he's sitting to the front in the corner. Was curious about his findings about this position.I now realise that I'm always sitting close to the tank when seeing this video. It just feels comfortable since I can let go sme pressure on my arms and ellbows this way. Or even bend them slightly.
@PeterDad60
@PeterDad60 11 жыл бұрын
Free play in this discussion means the ability of the throttle to rotate for and aft without altering the power. My original throttle was without any freeplay. I read you can losen the throttle cable to provide 3/32" or 1/4" free play to eliminate bump induced abrupt throttle changes. I tried this while riding on the bumpy back roads of Long Island I was able to ride without the engine abruptly changing speed every time I hit a rough bump. This enhanced my control over the motorcycle.
@myppnu
@myppnu 12 жыл бұрын
Superbike School is REALLY good. They are a little pricey but definitely worth the money. You can also check for a national MC organization that has classes for your skill level and usually they are a little less pricey so they fill up fast. If you don't have the basics down you need a class. After a class you realize how little you know and want to take the next level class. It's so much fun. :) Cheers and good luck.
@PeterDad60
@PeterDad60 11 жыл бұрын
BTW when I wrote that "free play means the ability of the throttle to rotate fore and aft without affecting the power", to be sure this means it enables the throttle to move open or to close a little bit without actually changing the power, like when you hit a large bump. I was not implying that the throttle no longer works to alter the power when you delibertly wish to do so.
@nkotbnewkitsontheblock9097
@nkotbnewkitsontheblock9097 11 жыл бұрын
ive taken so many falls on the mini track of my hobby racing (50cc) been asking a lot about cornering with no clear explanation. I know that you guys are talking totally different class of heavy bikes, but what a nice principles explained!
@chillgriller4
@chillgriller4 14 жыл бұрын
Really interesting, thanks. Now if only this rain would clear up I can head off tomorrow morning to practice that!!
@tinoeztacado-ce4wm
@tinoeztacado-ce4wm 15 күн бұрын
Where can I find more videos with this kind of explanations ??
@slinginghotlead
@slinginghotlead 11 жыл бұрын
I want one of those bikes for my living room
@shonz88
@shonz88 9 ай бұрын
The spine isn’t in line with the bike for professional racing. It’s always counter leaning pre-2008. The kid had the right idea before this chode changed it
@DevInvest
@DevInvest 6 жыл бұрын
R6 my ass. He rides an R6 .. and I drive a nuclear submarine. The EBIKE almost bucked him and he has ZERO clue about body position or counter steering- evidenced by his shock when the bike leaned the way he pushed the bars! Just say "I don't know how to ride- I wanted to try the simulator"
@MrGhirbo
@MrGhirbo 8 ай бұрын
moving back on the seat gives u better leverage at the knee, but not move too far as u want to be reaching the ridge of the tank as support for the knee If u are right close to the tank, u dont have leverage on ur knee, as u are squeezing with the inside tigh. spine in line with the bike, or even slightly to the inside
@immanuelmanickam9399
@immanuelmanickam9399 2 жыл бұрын
I wish if it would be alternate for my Joystick. I'm 38 yrs old. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@PeterDad60
@PeterDad60 11 жыл бұрын
All I can say at this point as there is something that you just are not understanding. Listen, with 3/16" free play in your throttle cable, when you encounter a large bump, a bump that actually moves your body, arm and wrist up and down- this freeplay actually eleiminates the unwanted temporary opening and closeing of the throttle in your hand. That's all there is to it. I know you do not understand how. I see that. So try it yourself and through actual riding experience you will see it works.
@PeterDad60
@PeterDad60 11 жыл бұрын
Why don't you get it? Why are you continuing to refute what I told you? You are just not grasping that this really works and you seem to be just looking for reasons to say it does not work. It's obvious that your not understanding something here and I have explaned and then reexplanied and then explained it all again. Before you reply, think. You are annalyzing this and there is something that your not understanding. So at this point all I can sugest is that you try it for yourself.
@PeterDad60
@PeterDad60 11 жыл бұрын
Why don't you set the throttle cable to have 3/32" to 1/4" free play and see for yourself while actually riding over rough bumps. Ok. End of story. I did not make this up btw I read about it many years ago in a motorcycle magazine and then I tried it and found that it works. If you are riding over bumps and you are on the throttle any up and down movement of your hand is taken up by the freeplay/slack. I have years of street racing victories and I am always open to learning. What about YOU?
@mrb3n
@mrb3n 11 жыл бұрын
But 25 years ago people weren't tearing the UK apart with a whiplash claim every 8 minutes. I'm only 28 but I still remember a time when the UK prided itself on not being like America and suing the arse of everyone and anyone they could. So no its not a mindless rant on the internet. Its facts that are presented to flaw your ridiculous argument that things are the way they are for good reason. Have a nice day.
@mrb3n
@mrb3n 11 жыл бұрын
Doesn't matter if bike is new or used in UK. Its the age of rider, the location and the licence (depending on penalty points etc). But its not uncommon for me to be quoted £8000 which is about £12000 dollars and even higher!!! Its stupid. And all our laws on bikes have just changed on 19th January to conform with EUROPES bullshit way of thinking. So now its harder to pass your test and more expensive to insure etc. Pisses me off.
@FirebladeGrowler
@FirebladeGrowler 11 жыл бұрын
It does make a difference. It's not the handling of the bike. That's easy. It's getting used to the torque. Not so bad for a 600 but when you step up to the big boys bikes....lol. Believe me...1/16th of the throttle too much and you will whipe. Espeically when you start chipping these bikes. I started off on the CBR 60RR so I'm not saying one has to start off on a small bike but I made mistakes which I p[robably wouldn't of made had I of homed my skills on the smaller bike first.
@mrb3n
@mrb3n 11 жыл бұрын
Yeah I'm a Brit! Haha. And have you thought about getting a camera? That's a great way to show when you're in the right. Also I run an online biker website and forum. I know its not aimed at you (as you're a full licence holder) but it was an original idea (for a biker forum) and I actually do have quite a few full licence holders on my site. Would be cool if you took a look. You seem a decent chap. Its LBIKER.com
@FirebladeGrowler
@FirebladeGrowler 11 жыл бұрын
PS: I know this guy at work the complete opposite to you. He rode a 13 Bhp Yam on a CBT125 when I started the company. He is a big strong dude so I let him have a little go on my litre in the car park. 6 weeks later this guy had his full license and went and brought an R6. He sais it's one of the best decisions he's made and this was why I let him have ago on my bike. Your insurance will come down but like you say...petrol isn't cheap. This is the one factor which sucks.
@FirebladeGrowler
@FirebladeGrowler 11 жыл бұрын
Ah you're a Brit. haha yeah tell me about it. A full tank of petrol will get me about 130 miles and cost about £26. I pay £1100 TPFT. I've just had some nob in a car right off a 2011 gixxer which is why I'm about to get the 2012 Blade. As I'm TPFT I just have to be very careful i.e. make sure I'm in the right. I don't drive tho so the cost is not an issue. This is what I'm trying to do - build up a no claims. I'm surprised you were quoted that much tbh. Try Gocompare mate. Petrol an issue tho
@FirebladeGrowler
@FirebladeGrowler 11 жыл бұрын
Your tires are plenty for your bike but it's allot easier the more rubber you have touching the surface. If you can get your knee down a bit on a 125 you'll find a bigger bike allot easier mate. This is where people go wrong. The bigger bikes are more stable thus they feeel easier to lean. Wheer they become scary lies with the torque (especially on the 1000). If you continue on your path then you''ll end up to be a very capable rider
@mrb3n
@mrb3n 11 жыл бұрын
Exactly. I have ridden bigger bikes, but currently I am still on my YZF R125 (with a few mods). Its not all about blasting off in straight line with 1000cc's under your arse. 90MPH from a light and well balanced 125 is awesome fun plus its more than enough power for cornering and also a decent sized bike to learn how to develop my skills and be a decent rider. Some people are just show offs. And I've done 130. That's my max and was on an almost straight dual carriageway. Nothing to boast about.
@FirebladeGrowler
@FirebladeGrowler 11 жыл бұрын
Yeah he seems to have a complex over the Bible & Christiaity...as if his religion is any better haha. As soon as I saw his profile I just laughed mate. I bet he hasn't even broken the 150 mph barrier yet. The key to getting better is to accept you are a novice and listen to people. This applies tom ost things in life. No way can I handle my bike the way I like to think I can :)
@riltjd
@riltjd 12 жыл бұрын
This is a exercise used by moto gp riders etc. it's to pratice and mentalize the movement in normal conditions.. what you are saying is stupid beyong belief.. it's like telling a boxer to stop hitting a boxingbag because it doesn't hit back... and btw another thing 98% of the drivers think that they dominate there bike and as i see your part of that 98% but why not hit the track with this instructor and find out for yourself? I'm sure this guy recks you just search: superbike school uk
@riltjd
@riltjd 12 жыл бұрын
This is a exercise used by moto gp riders etc. it's to pratice and mentalize the movement in normal conditions.. what you are saying is stupid beyong belief.. it's like telling a boxer to stop hitting a boxingbag because it doesn't hit back... and btw another thing 98% of the drivers think that they dominate there bike and as i see your part of that 98% but why not hit the track with this instructor and find out for yourself? I'm sure this guy recks you just search: superbike school uk
@dalljalma2
@dalljalma2 12 жыл бұрын
Its called counter steering. When u turn the bars to one side, u break the bikes balance, making it lean to the opposite side. After that, to hold your angle during the corner, u have to steer to the other side (point the wheel to the corner) and control your throttle. If you want to tight your turn, u have to steer to the outside of i, and vice-versa. Remembering that... all these movements are very delicated. In the video they are exagerated, A LOT.
@ford4point0
@ford4point0 12 жыл бұрын
@Smurfacation im not sure if theres a video from that guy, but check out "a twist of the wrist 2" from keith code. Its very useful and youll learn a lot. A good way to help notice countersteer, is by riding without your left hand. When safe to do so, try turning your bike in either direction using only one hand, and youll notice that your pushing the opposite way. This helped me understand countersteering a bit more.
@fernando-sl7qm
@fernando-sl7qm 8 жыл бұрын
so complicated I thought just hop on and wing it
@tonypate9174
@tonypate9174 7 жыл бұрын
Yes if in the blood like these boys and girls You Tube ROAD WARRIORS IRISH ROAD RACING SOUTHERN 100 the ride the wheels of it school of "biking"
@mrb3n
@mrb3n 11 жыл бұрын
Yes I understand that part of it. But your insurance should be based on performance. There will be 25 year olds that are excellent drivers and 50 year olds that remember good old Nigel Mansel and drive like a dick. There are no set rules to this game. And that's why you should only be fucked when you give a piss poor performance. Not based on age.
@mrb3n
@mrb3n 11 жыл бұрын
Well I am 28. But the R125 is so cheap to run, maintain and insure. Its insurance that's the real stinger. For my R125 its £170 a year. But when I get quotes for YZF R6's and CBR600's some quotes are £3000 and more! Its stupid. So I am thinking of getting a Ninja 250 and doing 2 years on that. Then I would have 5 years no claims bonus. The possibly look at a 600.
@riltjd
@riltjd 12 жыл бұрын
After given further thought to your comment i must say that you're right. If a beginner with no experience on a bike starts thinking that he has to pull that hard on a handlebar to countersteer, then i hope i'm not there to see the results. But i thought that you were reffering to the average rider not noobies on 600cc's (wich i think is stupid enough already)...
@syperchaic
@syperchaic 12 жыл бұрын
It's designed to teach correct body position for cornering and braking (which it and the instructor do well IMHO), not how to actually corner and brake. The stability that comes from locking in with your knees and being light on the bars and properly positioned is fundamental to good control on track or street.
@DonZaloog88
@DonZaloog88 13 жыл бұрын
@XxAtomic646xX Not sure if anyone has replied to your question as of yet, but, the rear brake on a sports bike is on the right side - somewhat like a lever, for the foot. You can only push it down in order to apply the brakes to the rear tire. The clutch is on the left side, also a little lever you either pull up, or push down.
@mrb3n
@mrb3n 11 жыл бұрын
Knee-downs scare me more than wheelies. But remember my tyres are only 130 width. Although its a racing bike used in the Malossi 125 Cup. And there's plenty of knee-down videos on the YZF. I just cant get that low. I daren't leave my seat. Haha. I might try lifting that arse cheek trick.
@johnnywhakit
@johnnywhakit 12 жыл бұрын
No, it isn't. I'd never heard of, or used counter steering until I took the MSF Class. I mean, on a bicycle at pretty quick speeds (30 mph) I would just slow down and "normal steer". It had literally, never occurred to me. I still have to think about counter steering.
@mrb3n
@mrb3n 11 жыл бұрын
Yes I am sure they have had it harder. Everything is harder there. Then again there are people in Africa that don't have 1 decent meal or drink of water a day let alone a car! So I am not going to base my UK motorcycle insurance based on another country.
@mrb3n
@mrb3n 11 жыл бұрын
And don't even think about getting a car in the UK if youre under 25 years old. Because for anything over a 1.4 litre youre looking to pay about £10,000 ($15000) a year for insurance. Haha. All because of the fucking EU regulations.
@FirebladeGrowler
@FirebladeGrowler 11 жыл бұрын
yeah I'm serious there. You're homing your skills on the samller bike and this is the correct way to do it. You're postining yourself to really be able to handle these bikes. I started quite late you see so I jumped straight on the 600
@mrb3n
@mrb3n 11 жыл бұрын
All I want now is to master cornering and get my KNEE-DOWN! Dying to finally feel that slight tarmac scrub. Then I will be a happy man. Just gotta go find some knee-down technique videos I guess. Haha. Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!...
@retromurdok
@retromurdok 11 жыл бұрын
Well that escalated quickly. Well at any rate, i might over take you next time im out on track, and just to test you do you even know what county Donington is in,and what's the name of the airport just next to it ?? :D ? I mean if you live next to it.
@mikeloamzzz9593
@mikeloamzzz9593 11 жыл бұрын
Performance riding a sportbike is a bit different than a police cruiser. Andy Ibbott, who is guy talking, has coached several World Champions in MotoGP and WSBK he knows what he is talking about. If you want to turn faster CS is the way to make it happen.
@riltjd
@riltjd 12 жыл бұрын
You don't get it, i'm not saying it's noobie to ride 600cc.. i ride a 750cc aprilia shiver myself. what i'm saying is NOOBS on 600cc so beginners on 600cc sportbikes. Wich i think is ridiculous, beginners shouldn't start on 600cc bikes.
@jadenjaden
@jadenjaden 12 жыл бұрын
Just a matter of changing the hydraulics on that prototype to servo motors so that the transition is smoother, and have the dip directly related to how hard the rider turns. Probably a bit of tweaking in the programming of it as well.. Pretty cool though!
@PeterDad60
@PeterDad60 11 жыл бұрын
Wrong! You have 1/4" slack in the cable and if you hit a bump and your wrist moves up or down the slack prevents the throttle from moving. This is true at all throttle settings. By the way, why the sarcastic attitude?
@oxclintonxo
@oxclintonxo 14 жыл бұрын
very informative.....will be trying this method to increase my confidence.... just I feel very unstable when cornering...I am 240 lbs......ride a zx9......propeer position will be key I imagine.......thanks
@mrb3n
@mrb3n 11 жыл бұрын
But my tyres a plenty big enough compared to the bike. Its all built to be right. Its just me that's not confident. They race R125 Yamahas in the Malossi cup. The bike is perfectly capable no probs.
@dragonracer76
@dragonracer76 12 жыл бұрын
I wonder if this works the same when I ride lying on my massive tank bag. I guess I'd still have to use more leg power to keep the weight off the bars in the corners when I shift off of it.
@kikomach3
@kikomach3 12 жыл бұрын
@daonendonli look at the way he stretch his arms holding the handlebars, that's the way to break your elbows in a sudden stop... i think he rides a motorcycle though, but those of 100-150ccs
@touristguy87
@touristguy87 11 жыл бұрын
"acutally that's not quite true, ,you have two cables on a bike, one that opens the throttle and another that closes the throttle. To close the throttle you have to actually twist the throttle handle backwards. The free play is the difference between when the open-throttle cable starts to open the throttle-body (for lack of a better phrase) and when the close-throttle cable begins to close the throttle-body. So, even if you have the throttle halfway open say, the free-play still matters."
@touristguy87
@touristguy87 11 жыл бұрын
there are a number of ways to easily reduce the throttle-response on a motorcycle, one of the easiest is to put a throttle cable take-up with a larger radius so that it takes a larger turn to open the throttle a given amount. For a fly by wire system this is very easy and many manufacturers have some electronic control that enables the rider to adjust the throttle sensitivity. Ultimately there's no real reason why a 250 has to be ridden vs a 600. Zero. Other than ignorance.
@touristguy87
@touristguy87 11 жыл бұрын
How do you know that they weren't? 28 years ago you didn't have the Internet much less FB, twitter and all that. So there' no record of half of what was being said then. And face it, we live in a ligitinous society. Beyond that I'd be pretty pissed if I had to pay the same insurance as a newbie 25 year old. Wouldn't you, if you were 50 and had 25 years of safe riding on your record? Just look through my playlists and you'll see what I mean.
@touristguy87
@touristguy87 11 жыл бұрын
because of the idiotic assumption that safety is proportional to engine displacement? or because of the statistical data that shows that certain cars have a higher probability of being wrecked with drivers under 25 than others...that just happens to establish a correlation between engine-displacement, age and safety? :) well there are two ways around this. Pay the high premium and drive a 3liter engine without getting into an accident.. or start wrecking those small-displacement cars :)
@touristguy87
@touristguy87 11 жыл бұрын
the output of your bike is proportional to RPM the traction is proportional to road condition and lean angle it's easy enough for any bike to find a combination of the above that will cause the rear to slide out. That's part of learning how to ride. all you're saying is that for a 250 it's almost impossible because it makes such shit power and requires such high rpms to do it. Meaning you can ride sloppily without so much worry. But if you're riding like shit it's just a matter of time
@touristguy87
@touristguy87 11 жыл бұрын
I'm in the US...I don't know what rates are like now for the 25-40 group on a 600 sportbike but three thousand pounds a year, that sounds like an awful lot to me you probably have to factor in whether it's new or not, is it on a loan (requiring full coverage here in the States) what the riders' record is like...but still that's what $5k? a year? Jesus still a $250/month rate is not all that unusual for young drivers here
@touristguy87
@touristguy87 11 жыл бұрын
seriously what difference does it make if he "hones his skills" on a 250 vs a 600 (ignoring the insurance) especially if a 250 can't corner or brake as well as a 600? This is the dumbest shit that I've ever heard. The only difference is that it doesn't have the horsepower. IT IS STILL A MOTORCYCLE. With one front brake disk vs two. With a quarter of the hp. So it's slow and can't brake and that's what he's supposed to "hone his skils" on? How is that a good thing?
@mrb3n
@mrb3n 11 жыл бұрын
Nah. England is best country in the world. I could never part with it for good. But thanks for the suggestion. Anyway, where do you live that offers better insurance quotes???
@bradplaet6592
@bradplaet6592 12 жыл бұрын
You think the riding position changes at 250km/h for street as compared to a track? try stiff arming at those speeds, hit a corner, and stare at oncoming traffic, see where you end up.
@DonZaloog88
@DonZaloog88 13 жыл бұрын
@pacrat90 Now you confused me, LOL ^^ I think we're trying to say the same thing though. Brakes = Right Side of the bike :) Clutch/Gear shifting = Left Side of the bike :)
@touristguy87
@touristguy87 11 жыл бұрын
yes but when you twist the throttle from the closed position, you take up the slack in the cable before the intake actually opens. the free play comes from the fact that the throttle can be twisted without opening the intake. Since you want to use the word "throttle" for the control and not for the intake throttle, that actually blocks airflow to the engine
@touristguy87
@touristguy87 11 жыл бұрын
"go 55 mph on your r-1 and try to go left by pointing the front wheel to the left." Quite a few riders do just that, every time they ride, and get through corners just fine. The problem is when they try to take the same corner following behind a rider who countersteers properly. But it does seem to work as long as the rider obeys the posted speeds for turns.
@killer2600
@killer2600 12 жыл бұрын
No matter what you ride, how you ride, or how long you've been riding your supposed to not have a death grip on the bars and your weight shouldn't be on them. Don't have to go to a school to practice doing that, you can learn it on your own so long as you remember that you should be light on the bars when you ride.
@PeterDad60
@PeterDad60 11 жыл бұрын
The easy way is to set the throttle with about 5mm (1/4") of free slack. So when you hit a bump the throttle does not change. position if your hand moves up or down.
@FirebladeGrowler
@FirebladeGrowler 11 жыл бұрын
Why are you replying to such a blatant troll mate? Just look at the guys profile. He's a Muslim who believes in the majical man in the sky. This should say it all lmao
@riltjd
@riltjd 12 жыл бұрын
Wathever the movement of the handle bar is just an example... same goes for when he brakes.. Just use your brain a little and focus on the message he's trying to get through
@GregB95
@GregB95 11 жыл бұрын
So you move your weight back to go around a corner... so much for weighting the front wheel. No real mention that his arms are straight and wrists are too low.
@DonZaloog88
@DonZaloog88 13 жыл бұрын
@pacrat90 You do in fact pull it up [with your toes/foot] and push it downwards in the same fashion. I'm pretty sure I said "The clutch is on the left side" :)
@AmuNkyOnFirE
@AmuNkyOnFirE 10 жыл бұрын
HEY BARNEY, GOOD BIKING
@touristguy87
@touristguy87 11 жыл бұрын
Just as the natural inclination is to let the bike drop down below you, not to get below the bike. If good technique happened "automatically" and "naturally" then you wouldn't have so many people wrecking their bikes in turns.
@s70driver2005
@s70driver2005 11 жыл бұрын
well doesnt the sun shine out of your ass!!! for the rest of us riders we do it the old fashioned way. and anyways do a track day! you can never push your bike as hard on the street as you can the track. and its safer!
@LiveToRidee
@LiveToRidee 12 жыл бұрын
thats pretty fail lol... you must have been pretty bad at steering or you were too cautious as a kid i crashed all the time on bmx but i counter steered and when i got a moped did the same thing and it just went from there
@touristguy87
@touristguy87 11 жыл бұрын
Actually it doesn't happen automatically. Gyroscopic action forces the wheel to turn in, not out, as you lean over into the turn. You do have to consciously countersteer to do it properly.
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