How to disrupt the radicalisation of young males | Michael Darragh MacAuley & Eamon McGee | OTB AM

[@moll1704]

You cant compare Jordan Peterson to Andrew Tate, thats just lazy journalism. I suggest that these 4 read one of Peterson's books from cover to cover and not just get your info from KZbin.

[@Nultjac]

Not totally but u can some generalisation jordan makes he is simliar to tate .Tate different level jordan isnt that bad but some of stuff he says about women are generalisations .He has good poins on psychology though but some of his stuff about women for a so called academic are genralisations and not 100 percent true at all.But tate is differebt level

[@thomasj856]

@@Nultjac what "stuff" are you referring to?

[@Nultjac]

@@thomasj856 never mind he is on the same level as tate we both agree that tate is toxic?

[@daviddeepred8446]

Peterson is a giant amongst men. A hugely important voice in this modern world. Terrible to compare him with Tate.

[@po2591]

Yes, on Peterson they were clearly poorly researched, which is a bit annoying.

[@shanedoyle8933]

Peterson is one angry man

[@daviddeepred8446]

@@shanedoyle8933 I can only assume you’re mistaking him for someone else.

[@shanedoyle8933]

I mean its obvious kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4rJfIqHptt5l8U

[@daviddeepred8446]

@@shanedoyle8933 lame. If fighting against the disintegration of social values and the dilution of culture or anything with meaning. Whilst also helping millions of young men and women all over the world to turn their lives around, if this is ‘an angry man’ then so am I. Catch up!

[@1paulmohill]

Gender pay gap fallacy mentioned here. You need to. Educate yourself before you pontificate. Jordan Peterson is completely different to tait.

[@backtothefifa1059]

They probably 'educate' themselves on these issues via Twitter

[@moc9893]

Peterson is exactly what young men need in a world telling them how toxic they are just for existing. Funny when women exercise these so called toxic traits they get celebrated for doing so whereas men get condemned.

[@aaronmc5599]

I was fully on board with the discussion revolving around Andrew Tate because he is a misogynist and says terrible things about women but putting Jordan Peterson in this conversation was really poor journalism and is part of the reason young men are not listening to these types of conversations in the 1st place. You had me at Andrew Tate and lost me at Jordan Peterson.

[@1980redkremlin]

Peterson was definitely a precursor to Tate. Building a huge fan base outside of traditional media, being the main similarity. Peterson has a lot of strings to his bow but often overstretches himself, with huge amounts of output that is often unnecessary. Tate bends arguments to his point of view, a narrow one. In that respect he is more like Shapiro. I reckon Tate's popularity is his almost wrestling promo type verbal delivery. Where Shapiro will use 500 words Tate will use 20. Neither impress me.

[@kieranbrennan7350]

@@1980redkremlin ... and Peterson will use 10,000 words :)

[@dannyw257]

Placing Peterson in the same Bracket as Tate is ridiculous. Peterson is an incredible mind in a time of shameful wokeness

[@RBLxViPeR]

Jordan Peterson shouldn't be in this conversation I think Peterson raised issues over men's rights big difference

[@TheLaidOffFounder]

How is Peterson put in the same bracket as Tate? Ugh. Surely discredits the whole chat here. Because he's a 'spoofer'?

[@ciantisdall]

Both are idiots that spread conservative ideals to the youth

[@murrayhyslop9263]

this guy is a tool

[@tomgreene1843]

Aye...''The likes of these boys''....a bit mixed up there.

[@1paulmohill]

Shows how misinformed they are.

[@claw987654321]

How can you compare that Tate fella to but Jordan Peterson. Shocking echo chamber here to watch.

[@peteys2006]

They're both absolute morons who sell easy fixes to complex problems to young, impressionable men.

[@Bnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn578]

peterson is as big a bluffer as tate

[@alandbs329]

@@Bnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn578 what’s he “bluff” about ?

[@Bnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn578]

@@alandbs329 listen to him talk and come back to me

[@paulcullen4209]

@@alandbs329 kzbin.info/www/bejne/noSxiJ6IrJpmgNE Might open your eyes on that Peterson fraud.

[@irishlad7842]

Off The Ball going Woke🤡

[@polobhuilean5217]

Over the target 🎯 dude, talking heads on woke drugs 🎉… no such thing as toxic féminité … 😂😂

[@gerardbenson1844]

Ger coming to a school near you dressed in drag.

[@mattconnolly6341]

Nonsense conversation. Only spoofing here is the eejits tweet

[@barryburke483]

Very disappointing you obviously don’t listen to peterson more than 20 seconds

[@imammamunu9537]

We encourage women to be masculine and tell men to be more feminine. Very weid

[@usmclongrangebrainsurgeon]

Let's get the footballers opine on a topic they know nothing about. Peterson is not in the same category as Andrew Tate

[@spewylouis]

I take it you're an expert though

[@usmclongrangebrainsurgeon]

We found the footballer that never made County

[@dermotcoyne3752]

Tate is a terrible person and role model. Hopefully he gets locked up.. How you can lump Jordan P in with him discredits this topic. They are polar opposites. No examples of what you disagreed with that JP has said and the context around it. Lazy stuff.

[@johnfeehan3898]

Very lazy.

[@grahamshaw3802]

After listening to this OTB podcast I went to listen to Tate to see who he was. Ok take away the misogony. Some of it is very motivating and I can see the appeal.

[@shanedoyle8933]

So the misogyny doesnt matter?

[@grahamshaw3802]

@@shanedoyle8933 no it very much matters. Thats why I will not listen again. Hes a rat. But I had to check before forming a opinion and I can see the appeal , very motivating words and strong message. I can see the appeal to young men.

[@CianODonnell]

Why is a sports broadcaster discussing this?

[@Nultjac]

Ex mmna mma whatever its called fighter noy completely irrelvant dont like follow elsewhere. Anyway whats issue discussing it unless u agree with some tate says which is a problem with young people following

[@Nultjac]

Maybe because growing in sport he was an athkete dont turn on if u dont like their views on tate values which are accurate

[@CianODonnell]

@@Nultjac I could care less about Tate and his ilk,hence why I don't need to hear him gaining oxygen on a sports broadcaster.

[@timmyhiggins5220]

Probably getting money from the irish Government

[@tomgreene1843]

Because they have competence in this area ....presumably??!

[@michaelgaynor4923]

Tate helped me get over my crippling depression and turned my life around his school showed me loads of ways to make money and because of him I finally was able to earn enough money to quit my 9 to 5 job

[@SpectorCorp]

he didn't though did he.

[@barryosullivan1486]

Its a complicated subject in a lot of ways. Kids at 15 or 16 at there most impressionable and easily led by anti establishment and at times dangerous rhetoric. It would be would considering adding in social media use into the curriculum in schools. Very good conversation.

[@jacobkesanen8340]

Liberalism isn't inevitable. We will keep pushing for conservative decent values. Christianity is inevitable

[@Dellen-Roger]

Andrew Tate speaks the truth.

[@mcratsix]

Jordan Peterson has gone off the rails recently, but even so, it’s outrageous to compare him to Andrew Tate. JBP sold out the 3 arena talking about the conflict between science and religion, how to find meaning in life, what is “truth” etc. this is a world away from Andrew Tate

[@IronTom]

so much talk and nothing said..

[@walincoln7033]

Maybe actually provide meaningful services and stimulating activities to young men instead of demonizing them for the actions of others, that usually works cause otherwise they turn to the likes of Tate

[@whatisequality3753]

The reason that people like Andrew Tate are getting a voice is because there is literally no one else speaking about male issues. If there is no one else speaking to young men about issues affecting them, then they will listen to whoever hits a cord with them. For example the extreme views of people just like Andrew Tate. Instead of actually speaking about issues affecting men in general, such as reproduction rights, access to children, abuse protection etc. The fact that media channels such as yours do not speak or even acknowledge these issues, leaves a huge gap for people like Andrew Tate and extreme views. Maybe you should use your platform to help speak about male issues that aren't generally acknowledged. Speaking of a Patriarchy is ridiculous when 99% of men of any ages are struggling on multiple levels does not help anyone.

[@MeChoonChannel]

Gibberish. There's lots of people speaking about male issues besides that lemon. And even if there wasn't, which is what you're claiming, that doesn't justify his abhorrent behaviour.

[@davidkelly790]

There are plenty of people speaking on that subject, youtube is close to overrun with them now. My generation (I'm in my 30s) didn't have anyone speaking about male issues, we had parents who cared about actually bringing us up with morals instead. 99% of any age are not struggling on multiple levels. That's absolute tripe.

[@Jackthelad789]

@@MeChoonChannel he’s not justifying his behaviour though he’s just saying that’s why he’s getting so much traction among young men

[@timmyhiggins5220]

Sorry guys, I'm sure the establishment have told you to bring up tate in a negative light. I'm not a fan of tate, but he sure makes some great points. I honestly wish I had someone like this around in my 20s.

[@davidkelly790]

He does, he also has some awful takes. If you have a gullible audience, even 5% of what you say being nasty and vindictive towards women has a huge influence. He's a grifter, that's how a grift works. He has to draw people in with a lot of agreeable points before ripping them off for a degree in "pimping hoes". If people think that he is instilling good values in boys (I say boys intentionally as men don't fall for his nonsense) then society is finished.

[@timmyhiggins5220]

@@davidkelly790 you've a lot to learn about modern society, feminism, and the primary female social order. You probably never will though.

[@davidkelly790]

@@timmyhiggins5220 If you think that Andrew Tate has made a "great" point on any topic then I'm very happy to ignore your opinion on my life. I hope things turn around for you and wish you all the best for the future.

[@timmyhiggins5220]

@@davidkelly790 you too. Good luck with that willful ignorance.

[@djharto4917]

Society finished when we invented new sexes.

[@Jackthelad789]

Tate and Peterson would dismantle these people in a debate

[@MeChoonChannel]

Lol. Ah yes, the famous intellectual and interlocutor Andrew Tate. Tate needs to worry about his sex trafficking defense before worrying about anything else

[@djharto4917]

Does everything and everyone have to be woke ? Peterson just speaks common sense. Leave out the politics lads the womens rugby coverage is bad enough.

[@davidlyons2425]

Off the ball just lost a lot of cred with that comparison between Tait and Peterson. Obviously zero research completed on Peterson, and they have lumped him in with the likes of Tait. Gutter journalism

[@larrygerry985]

Andrew is an excerise of branding which the media is feeding. He is using these pseudo intellectual points to create a social media brand. The question should be why are so many young males drawn to this branding?

[@Nultjac]

Easily led doesnt mean its right he is shameful look at how he speaks like he is a god

[@Chogie14]

"Peterson does say some good stuff but there's a lot of stuff where he's just way, way, way off the mark with" WHAT?! You have to elaborate beyond that. If you're going to take on this topic you either do it properly or don't bother at all.

[@grahamshaw3802]

Glad im not on twitter. Glad these things were not there when I was young. All you can do is educate those close to you. And sound out these idiots. And promote real men. Like Mick there.

[@gforce4893]

I think this is a good topic for otb to cover and important for parents who might not be in the youtube/twitter realm but poorly executed. The guests can barely structure a meaningful sentence. Constantly using "like" as a filler and tapering off without finishing a point. They describe the topic as "Peterson things" and tate as a "Plonker" without being able to articulate why. I definitely think if Newstalk covered a show on this topic then I would be very interested to listen to it bit sadly this resembled a Junior Cert discussion.

[@kashmir7952]

Too right. . Jaysus i never heard Tate advocate for the rape of women....as much of an despicable individual he is. That rant they played was completely childish but he does start it with " if a women came at me with a MACHETE!!!". They say "Lets have a balanced debate" while all four of them say the same thing (with an ample amount name calling). . Presumably at the request of their bosses. . Peterson would turn the four of them inside - out in any debate. Stick to the sport lads , thanks.

[@keego_keego]

Sorry lads, what’s the definition of toxic masculinity???? And how is the underlying message (forget about tate being an absolute gimmick and a c*ancer to mankind) of young men fearing they’ve zero to offer women?? Is it the message or the messenger?

[@kieranbrennan7350]

Life is complicated, we all agree on that. But putting Peterson in the same bracket as Tate is symptomatic of our 'binary' approach to mainstream narrative and lazy journalism. Red V Blue. Rangers V Celtic. You're appalled by Peterson V you're pumped by Greta Thunberg. Is there no middle ground or acceptance of some parts of what the other might say?... to try and reach some meaningful understanding? But 'death metal music is grand' and 'Eminem is grand' - do you wanna listen to some of those lyrics?

[@Shaggy-8392]

So it's possible for young people to get radicalised by people? Not the fault of the community, religion or culture then? Or why are these youngsters being radicalised when their country is not being controlled by the US or europe or bring bombed or invaded by them?

[@gerardbenson1844]

McGee is transgender??

[@thejacquoranda]

Great chat, lads - challenging the radicalisation of young men by dangerous people with nefarious aims. Good job you haven't fallen victim to that yourselves. Completely unrelated, I have a question for you; can you define the word woman - without using the word woman - for me?

[@thomasj856]

@offtheball the utter laziness of comparing and putting Jordan Peterson in the same box as Andrew Tate. Do better..embarassing stuff.

[@denismcglynn2619]

Eammon mc gee always goes with he think people want to hear. Good footballer and a character. Unfortunately his character has left him. He's definitely on the woke track. His job is safe as that's the way the media works. He will be doing the climate change stuff soon.

[@electric_being_bliss]

Andrew rate is a controlled opposition. People want a role model/ leader, he is just a NPC in this matrix. No escaping this matrix even when your rich like he promotes. Be your own master/guru. You are what you are looking for.

[@PadJon]

Unsubscribe.

[@tomgreene1843]

What about teaching old fashioned good manners ....a better society??

[@filthyuncleben2645]

gender pay ?????

[@aarond1210]

Lazy lazy lazy sheep ...

[@polobhuilean5217]

Jordan P vs, Tâter, that would be an interesting debate, but not on a so called sports programme ! Have a look at another so called toxic man, Konstantinos at the Oxford Union debate on “wokeism”. Could ye explain to us how come Ireland 🇮🇪 is one of the few countries in the world 🌍 that allows for young boys and girls to change their gender ? Stick tae sport’s laddies 🎉 and supporting the Irish ☘️ Ladies rugby team ❤… Just saying 😎….

[@hassan_2478]

Andrew Tate is a top G

[@MeChoonChannel]

Cringe

[@AntonChigurh989]

@Hassan seems you are following the teachings of a con artist tate instead of the profit Mohamed Peace Be Upon him.

[@hassan_2478]

@@AntonChigurh989 lol me saying Andrew Tate is a top G does not make me follower of him in the way you making it sound

[@MeChoonChannel]

@@hassan_2478 what does it mean then?

[@davidkelly790]

He'll be a bottom G in prison.

[@SpectorCorp]

Tate is a weak man's idea of what a successful man is.

[@IronTom]

what's your idea of a successful* man?

[@Nultjac]

@@IronTom whats your tate just cause he has money means nothing his values are disgusting hating womeb blaming rape victims no surprise u defend that though so many influenced

[@IronTom]

@@Nultjac what's your idea of a successful man? talking down on others?

[@djharto4917]

You just repeated some rubbish you heard someone else say. Wow

[@SpectorCorp]

@Dj Harto eh no it came to me when I realised who the hell would spend actual time watching this clown.