How to Engrave a BLACK MARK on Aluminum with a Fiber Laser | Fiber Laser Tutorials

[@vechaSlav]

it's an amazing coincidence that you started making these helpful videos exactly when I decided to upgrade my laser skills thanks for your content, keep up the good work! greetings from Russia

[@LaserEverything]

Glad to hear I could help out, thanks for tuning in! :D

[@الرسام-ص8د]

One of the best channels ever. Your channel is very useful, thank you

[@LaserEverything]

So glad you're getting value out of it!

[@lasermark596]

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[@johnrevill9592]

Great video. I'll have to give Brilliance Laser Inks a try.

[@LaserEverything]

It's good stuff once you dial it in for each laser. In my experience it takes about a full can to get things working right for each laser/material but then it's very consistent.

[@SmellyCatCreations]

Really loving all your videos 👍🏻

[@LaserEverything]

Thank you! Hope they're helping you and thanks for stopping by!

[@SmellyCatCreations]

@@LaserEverything yeah they really are helpful I shall keep checking out your content

[@LaserEverything]

Sounds good! If you want to join a group of a lot of people who do this and have some experience don't forget to consider checking out the discord as well! discord.gg/BQg28XH6Mc

[@1bigapp]

Is there anything to replace expensive Brilliance ink?😁

[@SmellyCatCreations]

@@LaserEverything awesome I will Give that group an add 👍🏻

[@d_besson]

Thamk you man! 👍

[@LaserEverything]

Thank you for watching! :)

[@Nordic_Goon]

Wish you could do this over type 2 anodizing

[@LaserEverything]

Yeah that's a big bummer :/

[@edwardconstantinescu5931]

Hello Alex can you make a video on engraving copper plate 1/8" and brass plate 1/8" using a Mopa 60W fiber laser please ? also would like if you provide the setting for the laser on the video. BTW your videos are awesome and what you teach folks out in the laser engraving community !!! Thank you - Edward Constantinescu Computer Systems & Office Automation, LLC

[@LaserEverything]

I'll look into adding that to the list, thanks for watching!

[@dogloverdoodle]

Hi Alex. Love your videos. Can you kindly tell me what lens you used on this project? thank you!

[@oninachi]

Wow, is this possible in copper? Been playing with aluminum lately.. would like to have a hold of this spray!!

[@LaserEverything]

Copper is the most difficult metal to use spray marking chemicals on. It reflects a ton of the laser light and makes it very difficult to heat up to the temps needed to bond with the spray. I've seen it done but don't have experience with it personally.

[@weensmo3260]

What were the advanced settings? Jump speed etc? Also what about spot diameter?

[@priyaestrada9119]

The black mark comes off after i polish my metal, what part of the setting should i change ? Btw your videos have helped me so much, so thank you !

[@LaserEverything]

This should be the LAST thing you do to your metal. Brilliance is just a surface bond, it holds up pretty well to scratches and dings but a full on polish is gonna be tough for this to survive. If anything make sure your metal is getting hot enough - especially difficult with aluminum. Heat is required for the bonding process to take place, too much and it will burn away, too little and it won't bond. It's a fine needle to thread.

[@priyaestrada9119]

@@LaserEverything thank you for the help ! Yeah the metals im using are aluminum & nugold which is mainly copper and im having a hard time getting the right settings for the black mark i want

[@becbu4627]

Can this be done without the spray at the beginning?

[@LaserEverything]

I've seen it done with MOPA fiber lasers but not with q-switched ones like the laser used in the video.

[@djadamski0012]

Hi I have the laser pecker 3 which only makes white engravings on aluminium so you think this would work to give black engravings

[@LaserEverything]

Diode laser dot size is likely too small for this to be very effective but it may be worth a can to experiment?

[@glencandle1772]

Can this be done after anodizing? For instance, if I anodize gold and then do this, will I get black on gold?

[@itrash3459]

ill be laser etching initials into knife blades

[@LaserEverything]

Nice!

[@christiankhawand6599]

I tried to mark on aluminum but didn't work. So optic laser can't mark any type of aluminum? Or a 5W laser can't mark on aluminum?

[@LaserEverything]

Diode lasers in the 5w range typically do not have the power required to mark aluminum.

[@BurtonDynamics]

So you can't mark without the spray?? I have a 50w fiber and a buddy wants me to put some lettering on a aluminum car part. I also have a bunch of billet aluminum parts I need to mark.

[@LaserEverything]

You can easily, just not black. If you want black you need to spray. If you're ok with dark gray try these settings: kzbin.infoN_Oz2WlHAeE?feature=share

[@BurtonDynamics]

@@LaserEverything awesome. Just purchased a can so I can test both see which one I prefer. Probably black lol

[@LaserEverything]

Good luck let me know if I can help, definitely join the discord 😎

[@stockbatch4109]

I Bought the Laser Pecker 3 to engrave onto metals. Currently I need to engrave onto a Zinc Alloy with Electroplated Coating. The Laser Pecker does not come with a manual, do you know how I can get a back finish on the engraving? Do I need to use Brilliance Spray or Cermark to achieve a black finish? I am completely new to laser engraving.

[@startupspar]

How do I get the param settings please?

[@LaserEverything]

Available to channel supporters over at masters.lasereverything.net/ :)

[@barcorestudio]

Did you still working custom engraving?

[@facelessfan]

Can this stuff be done with a 20W diode laser engraver?

[@ArtificialDNA]

does this spray work with gold and silver ? i cant seem to find that information on their website and also too expansive to buy just to testing ..

[@daWINchi818]

I do live in IRAN and I cant buy anything like this. can you tell me what else can I use instead of this ink?

[@LaserEverything]

I'm personally unaware of what options are available for you, but posting on our discord or fb group may get some replies from someone in your region!

[@deanbjanes9566]

Can you do this with a C02 laser?

[@wahnuwidyawati8492]

Can someone help me how to make that black colour? I tried for many times but failed, thanks

[@LaserEverything]

Make sure that you're defocusing or using a large enough lens. If you're using too small or a lens, the dot size will be too small and will just burn the catalyst away before it has time to react with the laser.

[@wahnuwidyawati8492]

@@LaserEverything okay thankyou I will try

[@swp466]

Is this spray basically the same as Cermark? That's what I use on my C02 for marking metal.

[@LaserEverything]

Yes I have both in my shop. Mostly the same thing but I think brilliance performs better and it doesn't hurt that it's much cheaper. Never tried cermark on aluminum, I know it works on steel though.

[@samperryman9738]

Please help!! Why am I getting lines in my black engraving when the diameter changes 🤷‍♂️ using stainless steel. I can get a lively gloss like finish on a smaller diameter but when I use same set up just change diameter size on rotary (ezcad) I get awful lines appearing ?!

[@LaserEverything]

If the lines follow the orientation of the rotary, it's likely the split size and line distance not jiving together. The lines are usually a result of the line distance/interval not dividing evenly into the split size, leaving a "remainder" that doesn't get filled. It may just be more noticeable on different diameter items due to size maybe. If that doesn't help out, join one of our communities in the description and you can make a thread post where the support community can dig into it a bit more and help troubleshoot

[@charlesmccarty5209]

Do they have that setting in Lightburn?

[@LaserEverything]

Yeah there's nothing special about these params, they could easily be applied in LightBurn for Galvo no problem.

[@eliotmay0526]

I am getting a com marker raycus 30 w fiber. I work with silver. I want to etch, mark etc... Do you have a go-to resource?

[@raihanmohammed4776]

Any idea how to black mark on chrome?

[@LaserEverything]

It's not really feasible on just the surface of the chrome. Really depends on the metal underneath because whatever you do you're likely going to just mark through the chrome itself and do your best to get a black mark on the underlying material.

[@CarlosEstrada-Sanchez]

Do you know of a QR code engraved on stainless steel metal in the back of the watch would be readable?

[@LaserEverything]

Glare/angle of the camera reading the code would be a factor on that and surrounding light sources, so the darker the mark or contrast from the surrounding metal, the easier it should be to read. If the metal isn't polished or shiny, it would be easier, but it just depends on the circumstances. On stainless, I would try following the Z mark method from our z-mark stainless video, it provides the deepest of black marks.

[@d.v.prasad3686]

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[@LaserEverything]

thank you!

[@pedrorodriguez-lh2py]

Hi, I'm considering buying a 30w fiber laser but don't know witch on to get I'm a beginner at this, can you suggest something.

[@LaserEverything]

Yep pick up a Mactron. They're made to order, good build quality and genuine parts. There's a link to the 30w version in the description.

[@Philip8888888]

How does that work?

[@LaserEverything]

The brilliance is a chemical catalyst and when it's heated to the right temp by the laser it bonds then turns black!

[@21thTek]

Great !!! 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟

[@LaserEverything]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@priyaestrada9119]

Could I use the same settings with the spray but on nugold ?

[@LaserEverything]

I've never tried, but it's certainly worth an attempt!

[@airolue-commerce5644]

What laser engraver do you use? Thank you

[@LaserEverything]

This was done with a 30w Mactron laser, link in the description.

[@xcwilson]

I bought the Nasan - LS1 laser back glass separator machine. TL-LS1-NASAN However I have no instructions other than some templates and a couple videos. I want to use it to engrave on different surfaces. What are your suggestions? Your website has some discord classes. Is this the best route to take? Thank you!

[@LaserEverything]

The LMA is great to get started but I'm not familiar with the Nasan Lasers. I'd start with the Facebook group or Discord server so we can check out your machine and try to figure out what it's running.

[@virtusangel1510]

Can I use the brilliant on stainless steel too? Do you know why when I engrave on siver stainless steel it looses the black color ?

[@LaserEverything]

You can use brilliant on stainless but there are better settings I think if you're using a Fiber Laser. I'd be happy to help you diagnose the issue if you want to post your settings and some photos in the discord and we can all take a look and see what you've got going on.

[@jonb347]

For deep etch, would you get to your depth then coat then try and line it up for the final pass?

[@LaserEverything]

Technically you could try this? I might just go with some Alumiblack instead for deep engravings: amzn.to/3GsCOTk

[@Dekweekschuur]

Did some tryed titanium dioxide with alcohol solution in spraybottle ratio 1 to 5 Good shake before spray it on and let it dry. Wonder if it works also on aluminum ?

[@Paintballlive]

What do you use that on?

[@markkoons7488]

Any idea whether Brilliance will work as well on brass?

[@LaserEverything]

Brilliance will definitely work on brass. I think they have settings for it on their website but it will likely take some trial and error to get it right. It's a good catalyst but you'll definitely have to dial it in for your lens/wattage.

[@markkoons7488]

Thank you for your reply. I suppose the lasers for use on stainless are appropriate for other metal, too. Right?@@LaserEverything

[@LaserEverything]

Yes fiber lasers specifically are designed for good absorption on all metals.

[@12up4down]

How did you get full fill? I keep getting outlined text

[@StillDollSyndrome]

It's because he sprayed on the brilliance laser ink in the beginning

[@davidwebster4111]

Hi Alex we have tried Brilliance Inks on copper and on our 150 watt laser, we used 300 mm/sec and 85% power and it worked a treat. We left the metal for about two weeks with the Brilliance Inks still on a part of the plate. Same conditions and it failed miserably really bad result. Do you have any idea how long you can leave Brilliance Inks on metal before it loses its ability to work? We have no other reason why - may be you or someone knows the answer. Cheers David

[@GarlandFarms]

Some important component is gassing-off.

[@albert-nu3gn]

Will this work with an 20w fiber laser? I just purchased a 20w Raycus fiber laser and it will be delivered soon. I'm really stoked to get started creating.

[@LaserEverything]

Yes, absolutely, might even be easier. Biggest issue with brilliance on fiber is that the fibers are usually too powerful and burn away the catalyst.

[@leravejewelry3442]

Have you tried these params with different size lenses with the same results?

[@LaserEverything]

Larger lenses will likely require more power, smaller lenses - less, due to changes in dot size.

[@ar15topgun]

@@LaserEverything that what I have seen also. I f I need to deep engrave or cut I use my 163 lens if I need to surface etch, black mark on stainless or engrave tumblers etc I use my 254 lens.

[@myjil75]

What software are you using?

[@LaserEverything]

It's called Ezcad and it comes with galvo operated laser marking machines.

[@myjil75]

@@LaserEverything cool, thank you

[@LaserEverything]

You got it!

[@JohnSmith-he5xg]

Very cool. How well does this work if the piece is anodized?

[@LaserEverything]

Likely not well at all. The chemical needs to be in contact with the metal to bond so if there's a layer separating them I can't imagine it would do very well unfortunately.

[@JaimetheNomad]

Just ordered a couple cans of this with your link, super excited to try this and get those dark black marks on aluminum! Thanks for this vid!!

[@LaserEverything]

Good luck, have fun!

[@silverX362]

Aluminium* :P

[@LaserEverything]

Haha very true!

[@Lomaxxx]

Does this work also for a diode laser? I got a Atomstack P7 pro and it works with aluminum, but i like the dark black letters. thank you

[@LaserEverything]

To my knowledge diode lasers don't put out enough power to activate the chemical catalyst.

[@facelessfan]

How could you do something similar with a diode laser engraver? Is it even possible?

[@krazysparkify]

Can you do the same thing on brass?

[@LaserEverything]

You can but I haven't worked out settings for it. Also you can get really close to black without the spray. Have you seen the brass video on my channel yet?

[@krazysparkify]

Yes I have seen it. But it was more like dark brown right? It would be cool if you find the settings to get the same result on brass

[@LaserEverything]

I have a large backlog right now but if I get some time I'll definitely look into it because I'm curious as well.

[@krazysparkify]

@@LaserEverything that would be awesome if you could! Thanks!

[@LaserEverything]

@@krazysparkify Yeah I'll add it to my list

[@Not-Only-Reaper-Tutorials]

Amazing. SO can I use any laser machine of about 20-30W? Just coating the Alu with that paint, lasering, washing nd I have that result?

[@LaserEverything]

Yes, absolutely. Since recording this I've found larger lenses work better. You want a nice big dot size so you don't just vaporize the catalyst. Your wattage should work great.

[@Not-Only-Reaper-Tutorials]

@@LaserEverything I thought it was working only with UV or blue lasers instead it works also with red ones. That’s great

[@bradouellette6558]

This was done on a 30W laser , can I assume that a 60W machine would render the same result at half the power or double the speed , or is there a formula to make the equivalent setting

[@LaserEverything]

More or less, yes. But it will take a bit of experimentation to really narrow it down. Will probably be easier to pull off with a larger lens.

[@arshadkk2886]

Any idea for do black mark on gold jewellery ?

[@LaserEverything]

Hi, I'm not sure if you'll get a true deep black mark like you get on aluminum here, but check out our episode on hold engraving: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fmTRdXyFg7N1sMU

[@brantanders9178]

How thick was that piece of aluminum?

[@LaserEverything]

Very thin, like a name plate. Maybe a half millimeter, a little less.

[@kaladowning7510]

Oh thank you! You just solved a huge headache for me! I love this channel!

[@LaserEverything]

You got it :D

[@1bigapp]

Hey hey :) What font is this on Albright plate? 😁 Ty!

[@LaserEverything]

Calisto MT

[@1bigapp]

@@LaserEverything Ty ty!

[@richardhansen469]

Thanks! I'm assuming the aluminum can be bare aluminum? There is no requirement that the aluminum be anodized first?

[@s.a.qjillaniinstruments7781]

What is the setting for 50w raycus. Speed Power Frequency?

[@austinstroot9910]

Can you use this spray with a CO2 or is it just designed for fiber?

[@LaserEverything]

Actually honestly probably better results on the CO2!

[@austinstroot9910]

@@LaserEverything just ordered! Thanks bud!

[@LaserEverything]

Good luck! Good stuff!

[@EJSVARZ]

Nice, i was on a fb group and someone said cutting silver and gold will damage the laser do to reflection what do you think? Any experience on laser damage, replacing parts? Maybe a video on this topic ? ✌

[@LaserEverything]

In my experience the only thing you really have to *kinda* worry about is copper. The reflection index of gold and silver *in my opinion* is not something you have to worry about. Any modern fiber laser is equipped with a standard anti reflection coating that is in-tact unless you take your lens apart for some reason. I still engrave copper with my fiber and anecdotally I haven't had any issues. I wouldn't worry too much if I were you. Now industrial sized fiber laser metal cutting machines is a different story... Feel free to join us on our discord if you'd like a few other opinions: discord.gg/BQg28XH6Mc

[@leravejewelry3442]

@@LaserEverything I have had good results with coating the item with a permanent black marker 1st to reduce reflection. Works with my laser welder also when welding silver or rose gold.

[@hiteshsatikunvar]

is it possible to do black marking on Gold(22k) , with this ink?...Any info? Thanks in advance 🙏

[@daveskylark2384]

Please tell me how to set the EXP date on the cica cola bottle😊