How to EXPLOIT "GTO" Players

[@Mr__Delivery]

I think the fundamental conceit of this video is solid, but it's worth noting (re: the exploration of Stefan's river donk) that 1.5bb of EV regret in a single hand is actually quite large--that's a 150bb/100 concession The point you make is worth emphasizing though; that solvers give us a glimpse into the fundamental principles of poker, and slavishly memorizing and reproducing equilibrium strategies is rarely as fruitful as having a rich variety of the right tools to make decisions in all spots

[@sharkyjawz1342]

I like that line "a rich variety of the right tools" - sums up this meta well.

[@manumo1]

how to exploit gto players: understand gto extremely well.

[@gesus.christ99]

how to exploit any player: understand gto well and make adjustments that doesn't change completely your strategy (so ppl can't counter exploit you enough to print money)

[@Tell_It_Right]

@@gesus.christ99 Wrong. The best way to exploit GTO is not to play GTO yourself.

[@dhzugadhzent4650]

@@Tell_It_Right you don't understand the meaning of GTO...

[@dkizxpt-su3ze]

@@dhzugadhzent4650 Actually, you don't

[@firepowerpinball]

@@Tell_It_RightYou’re not getting the theory part of GTO. No matter what you do- the gto player stays near equilibrium and maximizes his utility. But you will still lose (or draw) overall as his strategy adjusts to yours. You’re more likely to trap yourself with unconventional play than gain a lasting advantage. I recommend you forget about applying game theory to poker & using solvers. Study some pure game theory as a topic to understand the basic fundamentals.

[@ea7side]

"we aren't calling off 200bb with just Jack high because we don't think our opponents don't have shit..." My sides

[@atfti]

LMAOO, I can't believe I understand this

[@Hunter-bz1uk]

would love to see another live poker vlog with your comedic addition

[@PokerGiraffe]

As a chess nerd, I approve of the analogy!

[@MrZelduck]

I also appreciate magnus for using the term semi-bluff which I’m certain he picked up while he was studying gto poker in order to compete in the few poker tournaments he did.

[@johannesdaun]

We might also want to include how altering a range on an earlier street might impact a deviation on a later one.

[@FCarraro1]

Have you ever tried? Sometimes if you remove or add just 1 or 2 combos from a betting range in a solver, villain's response changes from somewhat balanced to range shoving or range folding. That's how fragile the equilibrium is. That's why, to me, exploiting a GTO player by making unorthodox plays doesn't make any sense because you open yourself to massive counterexploits! Just play as good as you can and try to get an edge.

[@alexisgarcia-pl5on]

@@FCarraro1 The thing is FCarraro those counter exploits dont make you money. It'll make you EV sure but thats just an expected play according to the math And not the Player. So its really not measureing up How when you gain an edge by staying 1 step ahead of you're apponent you can maximize on those appourtunitys to Profit, even if its -EV you can still profit in that very specific Situation because of the dynamics in play you've set up with you're apponent leading you to Having the edge. So for example how would i Take down a polorized range? I would let my apponent profit from their bluffs. That sacrifice is the setup. I would then force an image of only stronger value hands which will lead my apponent to Oppening up their range to Bluff, But that'll fall into my main objective which is Bluff catch them 1/4 of their range and bluffing 1/4 over profiting from their deviation but before they could Polorize their range again ("i find this to be the main reaction they do") before that happens we can now fish for Monster hands like nut streight , nut flush , set over set ect And Gain a Range advantage flipping the table now staying ahead before their could adapt. And since most GTO players Overshove with Mediocre draws like weaker flushes and streights and shove TPTK, they are suseptible to getting traped simply for falling into the deception Image of a theory Range and A faulty EV+ formula. You never know what hands i'll play so Putting them in a vacuum and generalizing them will really hurt you're timing, you're intuition and frequencys if you're not intuned with you're apponent. This is called leveling and anticipation.

[@Michaelperry1985]

I completely agree. I'm all about the funky and creative lines to throw a wrench into what our villians "expect" from us. Great vid

[@user-tx6yq5fv9s]

happy to see you back to making high quality videos 👏

[@shtcoinmaxi1367]

Were his recent videos crappy?

[@user-tx6yq5fv9s]

@@shtcoinmaxi1367 wouldn’t say crappy lol just not up to par with most of his videos where he goes in depth about poker theory and GTO content

[@shtcoinmaxi1367]

@@user-tx6yq5fv9s haha i was just being a douchebag i also prefer this content as well

[@user-tx6yq5fv9s]

@@shtcoinmaxi1367 yeah much better then going over poker drama everyone has already talked about

[@29evolution]

The best way to exploit gto player is not playing poker.

[@FCarraro1]

best comment I've read so far

[@ignaciopiedra1598]

😄

[@jdog5589]

recently found your channel. Best poker-related content on KZbin. also love your website, directly bought a sub. keep up the good work

[@moneymikz]

Got it…do unexpected things like call off with Jack 4 off when you have break even equity at best

[@moneymikz]

Oh you said don’t do that…

[@jluchette]

@@moneymikz knowing your opponents hole cards is generally +EV

[@Bisirsky]

A very interesting topic which many understand intuitively, but it's need expanding.

[@GLGL88]

'10nl mouth breather' 😂😂😂

[@enijize1234]

Probably 80% of his subs

[@FeersYouTube]

5:30 i see what you did there.

[@pokercrushers]

one of the most interesting vid since a long time...👏👏👏

[@JeffZuccMusk]

I'm so good that I exploit true gto strategies

[@LG-yp7ot]

Who are the two on the right on the thumbnail

[@daanbarr1632]

5:13 me a 2nl mouth breather:

[@GGTY]

When magnus devotes his time to poker it’s going to be scary

[@sharkyjawz1342]

Not necessarily. Rote memorization is less useful in poker & a person's make-up may not assimilate to the soft skills which have an under appreciated over-arching impact on a players trajectory. That bring said I'm sure w/ enough years he could traverse to the top of the field as poker is far less competitive than chess.

[@DvdStennis]

If I deviate from GTO it’s a mistake, but if pro’s are making non-GTO plays they are exploiting GTO. C’mon man. There might have been some merit to this analogy with the chess example if you had shown 5 spots were the guy was donking river with different strength hands.

[@isaiah5217]

Mun-ezz (like "says") not Mun-"ease"

[@faustianliszt]

Yeah idk about this channel/video... I have pretty good anecdotal evidence that calling off 200BB with J high is the nuts. Unsub... Just going to keep doing what I know works.

[@susymay7831]

Deep water play 🌊💦🌊💦

[@evrenturan5632]

GTO 🐐

[@JazzYachtrocker]

Pretty sure lex is CIA.

[@dkizxpt-su3ze]

If GTO is a real thing, then why is the maker of this video not making millions of dollars playing poker?

[@enijize1234]

If every time it rains a dog pisses, why then does every time a dog piss it doesn't rain?

[@Tell_It_Right]

The best way to exploit GTO is not to play GTO yourself.

[@firepowerpinball]

Actually it doesn’t matter that much how you play. The whole point of game theory is the GTO player will minimize his loss to you while maintaining an overall advantage to your playing style. He stays near equilibrium and maximizes his utility. In practice, he just folds more in the marginal spots where you bet like you have the nut advantage. But you will still lose (or draw) overall as his strategy adjusts to yours. You *won’t* crush him.

[@dominikdangendorf4259]

lol

[@FCarraro1]

I like your content, but this video feels a little pointless to me. Magnus' idea makes sense because it's much, much easier to play optimal chess than to play optimal poker, and also because it makes sense to throw your opponent off guard to win single matches, but in poker you want to print ev in the long run and not try to win every single pot not matter what. Also, playing optimally it' simply impossible and even great players make constantly suboptimal plays, which generally lose very little EV if none, but the equilibrium is so fragile that if you gave the solver that game tree action locked it would drastically readjust in order to exploit. Long story short, no player plays GTO so I think you are much better off playing as close to GTO yourself to give yourself an edge rather than trying strange game trees that make little sense, or you should just exploit in the "traditional" way when you see leaks.

[@dkizxpt-su3ze]

Anyone who still thinks GTO is a real thing is a fool. GTO is emperors new clothes

[@FCarraro1]

I guess you are crushing 500/1000$ NL in order to say that.

[@FCarraro1]

@@Pocket-AA-Pro I was actually commenting the original comment, not your reply, with which I agree ;)

[@dkizxpt-su3ze]

@@FCarraro1 I could crush 500/1000 yes