How to Fight the Others (War for the Dawn 2.0)

WftD 2.0 stream number THREE will give you the low-down on the ancient enemy our heroes must face... the Others and their army of the undead. What do we know (and think we know) about the wights and Others? How can they be defeated, or even slowed down? What is their objective?
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[@jamesdillenbeck8301]

My personal theory is that the Others are gonna combine into a big icy Voltron mecha and punch down the Wall. I have no evidence for this theory.

[@freshhands9461]

Canon...because Awesome is the most powerful element of theory 😂 They call it "The Great Other" and it looks like a huge Ice Spider!

[@SoCalledGodess]

I love the cold new theory about the Others becoming a mist in the daytime. Your mention of them having an icy vampire vibe makes me think of dracula turning into fog.

[@DavidLightbringer]

oh does he?>

[@SoCalledGodess]

TBH my thoughts about dracula here are mostly based on having very recently watched the Dracula episode of Buffy... Which may not actually count as official Dracula canon lol

[@mausklick1635]

They also suck the blood of babies, so yeah. I also remember some Vampires turning into mist... in D&D, but also in Bram Stroker's Dracula.

[@fluencer]

I think it is possible for the long night to last many years in the books, because the Long Night is fundamentally going to be a time of stasis. Initially there will be some major massacres, and the survivors will flee, and find ways to hide from the Others, including magical means (turning people to fire wights, coldhands, etc). The Dirty Dozen might not all even be in one place, they could all each be guarding separate regions, and lead A Brotherhood without Banners for each region. With the increase in magic, it will be more common to communicate via dreams, glass candles, weirwood stumps, anything, so all the heroes can keep each other posted. Once they are in hiding, it will give them time to prepare, get stronger, and finally launch an attack that can succeed. Many years can pass in this manner, with significant events being told through the POVs. GRRM could even try to make up for the 5-year gap during the Long Night, since he feels that some of his protagonists are too young, several years of survival can turn our protagonists into some hardened, epic, legendary heroes.

[@anthonylaviale3021]

I like that idea a lot.

[@thedoughnutsayshello]

Really hoping this is it. It would feel a bit dull for it to only last a few months.

[@alexsandr09740]

I like that a lot

[@ThommyofThenn]

I love this idea too much to wonder how that would affect the Jon and Meereen plots. I don't know, it might actually be really interesting for cliffhanger plots to get wrapped up, before the Long Night falls. Once the cliffhangers are resolved, the characters can spend the rest of the first half of the book getting ready/regrouping. Then the last few parts could be the Long Night falling. Maybe ADoS starts around the time the Long Night starts to slowly end

[@megantredant1959]

I live in the north west of the UK very close the coast and my dad (who has lived here his entire life) doesn’t believe in wind chill factor 😤😤 the lunatic. It can get cold enough that you tense your whole chest without even realising but my dad won’t put the heating on in his house, it’s like a bloody penguin sanctuary. Really enjoying the stream but when you started talking about IRL cold I just had to jump in! Back to the video

[@kingsteve8083]

That ice spider made of dead people at 2:37:40 is bloody terrifying!

[@DavidLightbringer]

I know I love that interpretation!

[@Henbot]

Calvary charges are about breaking army formations and making their morale break so they panic as well as you can’t stop moving because then the momentum is burnt when you do. Neither of which, momentum and morale breaking, has any resonation with the dead.

[@c-bev9124]

I think a great weapon for the others would be jars of wild fire with shards of dragon glass dropped in and tied all on the outside of the pots or even pots made from the glass that way when they explode you get shrapnel along with the flames

[@freshhands9461]

And thus, the R'hllor Cocktail was invented...

[@sirmeowkins981]

really like the idea of some guy trying to peddle blood sacrifices to the others. In the voice of the food vendors walking in the stands at Baseball Games. "We got Sacrifices here, come get your Baby Sacrifices; Straight from Casters Keep"

[@Skooby59]

Food for the ever hungry algorithm. Love binging on your work

[@Lukerbts]

Obviously I love the whole series but it doesn’t get better than a discussion about the others

[@paulconrad6220]

Commenting so that the algorithm may smile upon the channel

[@eric8841]

When Jon gets rezed he might have some of Ghost’s instincts for sensing the Others Peace and wholeness fam

[@nicolablackwood1286]

Great stream! Thanks LML! I’m slowly converting my husband into a myth head with the help of your channel *devious laughter*

[@zenguru79]

Leaving a comment after being pressured into it ;)

[@DavidLightbringer]

Yessssss

[@sommer8337]

Binging David Lightbringers catalog… I just have to say the quality of art, the incredible way he runs his streams, and his knowledge of not only ASOIAF symbolism, but real world myth and archetypes… I appreciate this channel more with every video I watch. Thank you for rekindling my creative juices, my love for literature, and for encouraging us to use our brains. Appreciate you.

[@DavidLightbringer]

aww thank you so much! the best sort of comment

[@lavender__luna]

I listened to this live while finishing my last final of this term and it absolutely inspired my own creative thinking for the assignment. Thank you, LML!!! Excellent ASOIAF content as always!!!

[@celestinamichelle5369]

I'm absolutely doing the same thing, hope you did well!!

[@lavender__luna]

Got a 93/100!!! 🤗👍🏻☺️🙌🏻

[@celestinamichelle5369]

@@lavender__luna go you! That's amazing. I got As in all three of my classes, it was a VERY close run thing. Gonna say it was the good vibes from this channel

[@jon5620]

George started writing his zombies when they were only slow and super strong, before the Zombie Revolution of the 00's. But if you watch old zombie media, they shamble and are strong as hell.

[@Devoted2Mariah]

This was such a great stream, I can see myself repeating it a few times. I will watch Weirwalkers as well! 🌬💨❄️

[@isabellamego5321]

I think they materialize if there's snow and it's cold enough. That's it and they can appear. They choose to appear with their army exactly because they have their weakness very defined, dragonglass and dragon steel...

[@serdavezilla6494]

PRAISE GARTH 🔥🌲💨

[@bryanhamstra4045]

Qyburn is going to give jamie a zombie hand lol

[@woodyhorton8537]

That would be badass can't even lie

[@woodyhorton8537]

That would be badass can't even lie

[@Grizzlymeadows]

Another great stream and still spitting fresh theories.

[@cbob213]

Arya in a tree would have been awesome. There are so many little things they could have done to make it better. A call back to “fire cannot kill a dragon” when Daenerys yells Dracarys to Drogon and he blasts the Night King. Seeing her realise that he must be a Dragon, and fire can not kill a dragon. Would have been a nice call back. But I don’t think they were too worried about wrapping things up and making things make sense to fans.

[@sommer8337]

When I first saw that scene, that is what I imagined happened. She had so much training in being still and quiet, like a ghost, a mouse, etc. Calm as still water. Patient. She practiced sword fighting on tree branches while in Harrenhall… Etc. Then we had that whole scene where Arya was SO quiet inside Winterfell that she bamboozled all of the wights and none of them found her (side note. Weird that they were so slow moving while the ones outside were moving at turbo speed…) Anyway, I was hoping that she used those skills that it took sooooo long to learn. Nevermind the whole face changing thing. But, then I watched the scene again and…. Nope. Unless the branches were SUPER long (not as pictured in the scene) and conveniently the Others couldn’t smell her…. Seeing the trampoline thing is so disappointing…. And, how did she NOT FREEZE when the show’s Night King was choking her? Wouldn’t every bone in her neck be broken and her skin be black and frozen? Bran was marked by a GENTLE TOUCH and it wasn’t even his physical body. Don’t get me started on the show…. It’s a deep dark pit and difficult for me to climb out of. Ha ha

[@getitvic]

I think the “there must always be a Stark in Winterfell” is about keeping a fire burning.

[@chrissiek8706]

-30C and it does hurt to breath. Tears feels like they burn your face, though they just barely warm for a few seconds. Your own breath turns to tiny icicles on your eyelashes. And wind, it chills to the bones. Few hours in such weather and you would start loose feeling in your fingers and toes. And hope.

[@swaggerdagger5168]

A fitting stream and usage of artwork for this mid-December time slot. Thank you so much for the vibes and the discussion, we appreciate it!!

[@Teresa-zd7xr]

we will go thru this together, I thank you dearly for that

[@moinab]

The algorithm is dark and full of terrors. Praise Garth.

[@ninjalokust]

I have a theory that isn't fully formed. Its based on leaf telling Brandon not to call Ned back to life and the nights queen. Now its not fully formed as I said but what if you call back someone to life whose body can't contain a soul anymore? What if they become a literal ghost of a kind, perhaps it could inhabit a dead body for a while but its natural form would be intangible energy or as you said in this stream, like a mist, a cold, dead, mist. This cold mist can then condense into a frozen form, like say the nights queen, whom later raises an army of white walkers through the same method she was raised and they raise an army of wights.. Details past this point get sketchy into extreme speculation territory. The core idea though, that the white walkers are the result of a dead person whose body is destroyed in some way being brought back to the living world, is what I wanted to offer as an idea so anything on top of that is just muddying the water.

[@thurielangel3239]

This actually sounds genius. It would also give another possible theory for the creation of the others, Not out of hatred or as weapons but perhaps as someone trying to bring back the ghost of a person they loved ?

[@ninjalokust]

@@thurielangel3239 Okay, this is the speculation part of extreme lengths I mentioned so don't expect it to pan out. The nights queen is Nissa Nissa. She bore her breast and Azhor Azhai forged lightbringer in her heart, killing her and burning her body to a crisp. The guilt of killing his love drove him from the empire of the dawn in search of a way to bring her back which eventually lead to the wilds of the north of westeross where he met the children of the forest. He reached into the weirwood net and brought her back the way Bran almost brought Ned back. But she had no body to return to, and became the night queen. This is option 1). Option 2 is the same but instead of Azhor Azhai bringing her back, the 13th lord commander does it, after falling in love with her during a trip into the weirwood net. The story of him seeing her from atop the wall and following her into the north is just the sanitized version of events that hide the crime that was committed and the way such evil can be unleashed. My problem is that those who are brought back to life fall into two categories, those who are brought back quickly retain most of themselves (like Beric) but those who were dead for more than 3 days become like Lady Stoneheart, a wraith bent on revenge. If the nights queen was nissa nissa then it should track that whatever came back sought only revenge against those that wronged her, meaning if option 1 is correct, she would seek to kill Azhor Azhai for her murder, but what happens after her revenge is gained and all who wronged her are dead? Could she even return to the other place from where she was called or would she be permanently trapped in the mortal realm? Well there might be an answer that will turn up. I suspect they can be banished back there in some kind of exorcism but not killed in a classical sense. Anyway, as I say this is all speculation as I have major information deficiencies about the last hero and azhor azhai and whether they are the same person, related, or simply connected by the nights queen. More than that, if Azhor Azhai made lightbringer to end the long night then he has to be the 13th lord commander, and I know David lightbringer feels there was only one long night, but I feel there was 2. The first came at the end of the empire of the dawn, saw lightbringers creation to end it and that lead to the night queen being created. Then much later the 13th lord commander falls for the nights queen and they trigger a 2nd long night by their actions. Another option is these events are reversed, the 13th lord commander created the nights queen and together their actions caused the long night which Azhor Azhai then has to end via lightbringer. There are other options as well, but this is how I wrap my head around it so far and make sense of the confusing timelines, scattered and broken history and biased narratives.

[@Badvibesdude]

Small Paul doesn't get enough love.

[@shadowdemon2272]

Mel says that bones can be used to draw forth the shadow of a man, right? Is that why the wights stop moving after the bones are broken? Because the source of the shadow is broken?

[@Minibuddha1990]

My god the art you find is amazing, so many great artist.

[@alacranypistolero]

Late comment from Minnesota, appreciating your truth at 56 minutes. The cold CAN make it hurt to breathe, make your skin hurt, make it hard to think. It is debilitating past a certain point. #Winteriscoming

[@sommer8337]

I’m late too… but absolutely agree. I’m in the mountains of northern Utah and the air freezes and creates an illusion of thousands of tiny diamonds in the air all around you. Beards most definitely freeze, it hurts to breathe, etc. And this is in the states… I can’t imagine the cold of the Arctic. My mother grew up in Newfoundland and when she speaks of the cold she means COLD. Those Southrons will never understand… until they do…. 🥶

[@garretthenry2733]

I always thought of the Other's as a naturally occurring phenomenon in GRRM's work. But the thought of them being the spirits of resurrected First Men with Greenseer abilities sounds much better.

[@THEMightyMonarch316]

They ran calling for Wiiiiiildfireeee lol Great stream and discussion now to put this on repeat for ASMR to chill out (pun intended)

[@49293per]

Been loving these war for the dawn streams. Thanks for the wonderful content LML!

[@kerripitman1515]

Perfect way to start a Monday morning, thank you!

[@nadiasouthiere7908]

I just want to say Thank You 🙏🏻 LML for this awesome stream! You’re the Best!👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻😎🙋🏼‍♀️🇨🇦💪🏼😉

[@lambres6891]

Watching t Watching the replay. Thank you all your hard work and dedication!!

[@fluencer]

If the weirwoods are a hive mind then it makes sense that the spirits thrown out of the weirwood (Others) are still maintaining that hivemind feature. It's almost like both the Others and the Greenseers have their source of power in the weirwood. Both of them "see".

[@timholland1764]

Loving that you continue to push to find new ideas. You theories are great but your energy and excitement about George's world is off the charts. Thanks!

[@c-bev9124]

Lol thats exactly what I was thinking was the black night scene from Monte python thats how I'd treat all wights take off their limbs and then they are inefficient

[@jakeshepard9292]

Great stream, LmL. That last hour was especially awesome. Thanks for all of the hard work!

[@podsmagiccock6401]

Loved it As Always, So much fun!

[@zachthompson9179]

Really enjoying this series. Thanks again!

[@CrimsonTemplar2]

Great stream. The new theory about the Others always watching is unsettling. Good stuff.

[@DesmondVids]

Great stream as always!

[@lyarrastark6254]

Great stream, great art, thank you David.

[@violetdragon4474]

Another Great stream David see ya Sunday 🥰💜💕

[@shakthivarman5484]

Another Great stream with great arts!

[@leahsanders3068]

Really appreciate the work you put into these

[@tbill8067]

Another great stream!!

[@laicarkaninmiliel7777]

Watching on my breaks at work, thanks for making the work day go faster David 🤗🌠

[@db6842]

Thank you LML!

[@blackeyedlily]

This is not really related to this stream, but something I wanted to share. I have been watching the new Wheel of Time series. I have never read the books and frankly I’m not that impressed with the show so far, but I want to give it a chance. This past week they added a number of short videos on the Amazon Prime site that are similar to the GOT History and Lore videos and I was intrigued to see a number of things that GRRM seemed to have pulled from. I realize that most fantasy genre stories share common ideas and themes, but I still found this intriguing. They talk about the ancient time before the Breaking of the World as the Age of Legends. In that ancient time there was a King Aemon who fought against the dark powers. He had an Unbreakable sword, which of course was broken. The person responsible for the Breaking of the World is referred to as the Dragon. They are now waiting for the Dragon Reborn, who will either save the world or break it again. There are a few other bits and I’m sure someone more familiar with the story could speak about this much more knowledgeably. I don’t think the general story shares that much with ASOIAF. But I thought these details were interesting and something that might have some relevance for exploring ASOIAF in relation to other epic fantasy sagas.

[@DavidLightbringer]

oh yeah, GRRM is a big fan of Robert Jordan. That's why there's a House Jordayne of the Tor (Tor Publishing being RJ's publisher). There are many parallels, and also instances of them drawing form the same mythologies. There are extensive correlations for sure

[@TheAstroWitchLux]

I haven't watched the show as I don't have Amazon Prime, but am reading the first book.

[@marylauranewman1391]

So actually, while listening to the stream, the idea of the Others using the weirwoods to travel made me instantly think of the Ways in WoT - there's an evil wind in the ways, from my memory of the books (which I haven't read in at least a decade...)

[@danielbrhel8344]

I love all the content! Please keep it up, favorite channel on youtube

[@msmisery695]

Thank you for another great stream.

[@alacranypistolero]

Amazing content as always LML

[@JoeNorte]

Good stream as always, thanks.

[@kingkraken5]

LML keeping me entertained during work, what a guy!

[@fabiorossi2659]

Keep going David, great stream!

[@nickycha8428]

Great livestream!

[@ziranmen]

nice work as usual, thanks LML

[@squisherking]

Youve had some great streams lately and this one may have been the best! Thanks LML!

[@antjestube8774]

Fantastic, well researched as always!!

[@kcee3374]

Great work, great channel. Thanks mate.

[@keveyson]

Great stream! Thanks again

[@AskAwayHealth]

Well done for bringing the WW to ‘life’ with this analysis - super episode

[@DavidLightbringer]

Aww thanks ❤️

[@christiancummings6283]

Keep seeing that the comments matter, so trying my best to remember to comment if it helps. Fantastic as always!

[@antoniomolinagarcia]

Great stream! Love how your new others theory sounds!

[@samcecil2928]

Excellent video, please take this algorithmic blessing.

[@israelheartsbane5067]

Great stream LML! Your content is dope💯

[@joshsnyder7155]

great stream as always

[@rboidavenboi6335]

Love this topic and dig the channel

[@tommytingtong]

Thanks David , what a great show , love from the land of dragons - Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@deidramines5889]

I love all your artwork AWESOME!!! IT helps to bring your video to LIFE keep it coming THANK YOU so much 🕊

[@LeonM4c]

Great, as per usual. Love this white walker talk now that we are well into winter

[@mat992]

Thanks for another great one LmL 🥶

[@tana4056]

This stream was amazing 💚

[@WhoIsCalli]

Very enjoyable, nice one LML

[@wolfmanj12]

Great video and great series. I’m 100% in on your others theory.

[@leann9261]

Love the video!

[@bresdraiocht4635]

Excellent stream

[@johnnyb7271]

Great video 👍

[@galenwyatt5144]

Thanks for these

[@karentargaryen7959]

All this talk of the Others as a storm and riding ice spiders got me to humming Riders on the Storm during your stream.

[@madipacheco]

That was nice, very good ideas about the Others

[@wyattbraun3650]

Killer stuff!

[@variablemuffins]

Great stuff keep it up!

[@rev.teresalazewski6595]

This is great thanks

[@LaylaTow]

Leaving a comment. Love your videos. :)

[@kilykil]

Thanks for the steam

[@eric8841]

Idk what I’m more excited for the next book to come out or finding out how how much of your theory is correct!!! Peace and wholeness fam

[@lookitsafish]

Love the channel

[@cadepablo87]

Love how the Others are seemingly always there. Wild

[@KingMonkeyII]

Teleporting through the Weirwoods. Bam!!

[@julieloucalcote1368]

Beaucoup love and good vibes from the dirty south! Love the livestreams!

[@SmoteMyRuin]

Cramming before tomorrows theory's stream 👌👌

[@janpiorko3809]

Great stream

[@Tactical870Guy]

Love your content!

[@DavidLightbringer]

Glad you enjoy it! Thank you!

[@Tactical870Guy]

@@DavidLightbringer You're very responsive LML! No need to reply to this one :) Hope the computer funding is going well. Ill try to catch the next livestream and pop you some paypal money