How to figure out the Size You Need For Dr Martens (Ultimate Sizing Guide)

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2 жыл бұрын

Are you looking for the perfect size Dr Martens shoes? In this video, we'll show you how to figure out the size you need for Dr Martens.
Whether you're a beginner or an experienced shopper, this video will help you find the perfect size Dr Martens shoes for your feet! We'll guide you through the process of figuring out your foot size, and then show you the correct size Dr Martens shoes for you. So watch this video and learn how to figure out the size you need for Dr Martens!
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@anavidreader277
@anavidreader277 Жыл бұрын
Hi, just purchased my first pair of doc martens online and really struggling with sizing. Unfortunately I can’t go in store so trying to work it out on my own. I have to wear insoles for flat feet and I also have very high instep so I find the bridge bit over the toe at the bottom of the laces is often tight. I’m normally a size 5 but when I tried them my feet barely fit and it was incredibly tight on my instep. I’ve also got 6 which seem to fit really well expect my heel is too small so is lifting up when I walk. I was going to try Heel Grips to try and take up some of the excessive space. Any advice/suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
@user-jy1gk3rd2m
@user-jy1gk3rd2m Жыл бұрын
Hey i just ordered the 1461 bex in US 10 (which is 11 inch) but my foot is 9.5, anyone who has the same size as me is that a normal shoe size or is it too big?
@lyndsiethomas2091
@lyndsiethomas2091 4 ай бұрын
Help my 1st pair is a 7.. in a different pair I have a foot measure at home at went with a size 7, too smaller ordered 8, too small now I have a 9 a bit big. I currently have the 8 and 9 and dk what to do
@r0dez485
@r0dez485 2 жыл бұрын
UK9/43 is my size for sneakers and basic shoes. My Doc Martens size is UK8 for made in Asia models and UK9 for made in England models. Have to use an extra insole for MIE to fit better, so half sizes would be nice to have. 😀
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing.. I hope one day Dr martens get half sizes.
@r0dez485
@r0dez485 2 жыл бұрын
@@Fodaydontplay Np, thanks for the effort. Your videos are helpful for a lot of us, greetings from Finland. :) 🇫🇮
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay 2 жыл бұрын
@@r0dez485 I’m happy I can help
@user-zp5px5zj9v
@user-zp5px5zj9v Жыл бұрын
So it means that your actual size is still big for you right? If yes tell me for how much? 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
@sylverckerjp
@sylverckerjp Жыл бұрын
I have the same option as well I’m a 43 EUR or 9,5US and I need to get dóceis 42 or they’ll be big. They need to break in and blisters and hurt feet will happen for while unfortunately
@mootlik
@mootlik Жыл бұрын
Usually 11.5US but I've had different experiences with Docs: Black/leather and corduroy 1461s: 11US / 45. Keith Haring 1461s: 12US / 46 Tarik low: 10US / 44 Try if you can, wish they made half sizes 😭
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay Жыл бұрын
Yeah try them first if possible.. dr martens can be confusing
@lieutenantAldo
@lieutenantAldo Ай бұрын
I’m planning to buy a 6 or 8 eyelet dr. Martens boots online and i need your advice about the shoe size. FYI, we don’t have any dr. Martens outlets nearby for me to try out some of the boots. My foot length is 10 inches and 4 inches wide. I’ve scrolled through the size guide but there are no matching sizes to my foot. Please help me anyone 😅
@teasoundsgood7461
@teasoundsgood7461 2 жыл бұрын
Im usually size 9 (M) on Nike air forces which they fit perfect should I get size 9 or 8 for 1451 docs?
@teasoundsgood7461
@teasoundsgood7461 2 жыл бұрын
plus there’s no store nearby that sells dr martens so rip lol
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay 2 жыл бұрын
If they fit you should go with a 9. I believe the Nike Air Force 1 are true to size.Hopefully you do not have wide feet. Doc stretch so one e you break into them you’ll be fine.
@crisownzz
@crisownzz Жыл бұрын
Question! My feet measure 11” but I fit a size 9.5 or 10US for most shoes what size dr martens 1460 should I purchase?
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay Жыл бұрын
I think maybe a 10.. i fit a 9 and 9.5us and I got a size 9 1460.
@crisownzz
@crisownzz Жыл бұрын
@@Fodaydontplay for your size 9s is the toe box tight at first and did it expand? If so how long does it take ?
@envyLP333
@envyLP333 Жыл бұрын
Hey, I'm a 7.5 in Nikes. An 8.5 in Yeezy 350s. An 8 in vans and Yeezy 700s. Do you think a doc marten 8 is best? A converse 8 look like clown shoes on me
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay Жыл бұрын
I think vans are true to size. I think a 7 might be good for you. Is it possibly for you to go to a store and try out a pair of docs?
@fadedsincedayone
@fadedsincedayone Жыл бұрын
So I bought mine online not knowing they were in uk size so now I’m stuck with a size 12 shoe when I’m 11or 10.5 they somehow fit nice they just look huge should I return? I’m scared to size down and they won’t fit when these do fit they just look big
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay Жыл бұрын
I made a new video today were I went to the dr martens store and the employee talked about how it should fit… use that as a guid
@pangestuajie2376
@pangestuajie2376 Жыл бұрын
bout to buy my first docs (1461) but have no idea on the sizing. used to buy 10.5 us shoes (nike, vans) . should i buy 10uk or 9uk on docs?
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay Жыл бұрын
Great! Check this video out kzbin.info/www/bejne/faWWq6FortmCd5Y In the video I compare dr marten size to popular shoes
@NightBrEedzZ123
@NightBrEedzZ123 Жыл бұрын
i wear a size 9.5 in Chuck 70 Vintage Canvas, would a 9 or 10 be best in 1461 docs?
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay Жыл бұрын
Most likely a 10..if possible try to try them on in a store
@ToreshiMinajj
@ToreshiMinajj Жыл бұрын
hello, my feet is really wide and tall I usually go for a 46,5 in my shoes. Should I buy a size 47. Thanks for the help ,great video
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay Жыл бұрын
Hello! I’ll say a 47 should work for you.. do you know which docs you want? Some are a little narrow
@ToreshiMinajj
@ToreshiMinajj Жыл бұрын
@@Fodaydontplay I was looking for some second handed 1460 in normal leather and I only use 46.5 in narrow shoe so maybe 46 is better. I followed your tips and compared to some of my friend and they always say that docs usually ran big. My dimension are 28.6 cm in length and 10.3 in width
@muhammadridwan1915
@muhammadridwan1915 Жыл бұрын
hey need your help please, me just bought 1460 made in england size uk 7, my normal size at sneakers is uk 8. i bought 1460 MIE size 7 because my other docmart ( CRAZY HORSE made in Asia ) also size uk 7 and its comfort me since the first day. but not for the made in england, my toe is touching the leather, will it stretch ? or better i change my size ? but am afraid its goin to long or big. iam so confuse :(
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay Жыл бұрын
Oo wow.. It is not really going to stretch that much for the length. What you can do is but newspaper inside when your docs are not on your feet. It should keep the shape.. also I do not know if you already put some heat on the boots.. the heat will make the leather softer and will shape into feet
@andresbh1805
@andresbh1805 11 ай бұрын
Please help. I'm 8.5 US size in all Vans Of The Wall. Someone here wear Vans in that same size and can tell me what size usually fit you in Dr Martens for do a secure online purchase? Thanks!
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay 11 ай бұрын
I wear a size 9 in vans and dr martens. I’ll say measure you feet and compare it to the online dr martens size chart.. Here is a vide with me comparing dr martens size with poplar shoes size like vans kzbin.info/www/bejne/faWWq6FortmCd5Ysi=oz0WIQjezkcZxMLq
@jeremiaslopezriggio2945
@jeremiaslopezriggio2945 11 ай бұрын
Hi bro, i love your vids.! If my usual size is 8.5us and my feet is 26.7 cm. Should i go with 8us?
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay 10 ай бұрын
Do you have wide feet? Is it possible to try on some dr martens
@ahlannarodriguez3920
@ahlannarodriguez3920 Жыл бұрын
im a size 5 nd i wanted to order doc Martens but they only have it in size 4 within my budget I was thinking abt sizing down but I'm worried that they'll js be to tight . should i try sizing down or not ? especially bcs google said they run big i js need another opinion .
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay Жыл бұрын
Well I am guessing you are not able to go to store that sells dr martens to try them. If you do not have wide feet then you’ll be able to fit a 4. Just know that there is a chance that it might be snug on your feet. After a while or once you break into them then they’ll free up and be more comfortable.
@jasonhoare4080
@jasonhoare4080 Жыл бұрын
Hi KAMARA am Considering getting a pair of made in England 1461 in black, im normally a size 8 uk. I heard they run a little bit big and a little narrow. Would you say I need a size 7?. How did you find your made in England's shoes. Thanks
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay Жыл бұрын
If possible try them on.. mine were fine.. I didn’t feel like they were narrow.. I think a 7 might fit you
@jasonhoare4080
@jasonhoare4080 Жыл бұрын
Thanks mate
@tomatotatopotatotato4143
@tomatotatopotatotato4143 9 ай бұрын
Okay so I've measured my feet, its 26 cm basically 10.2 inches which is the same size in a US 7 men. So my question is, should I consider sizing down or not?
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay 9 ай бұрын
Okay.. if you have wide feet than go a size up.. size 7 will be snug so you’ll need to really break them up so they can feel comfortable fast
@tomatotatopotatotato4143
@tomatotatopotatotato4143 9 ай бұрын
do you prefer a snug fit or a roomy fit? specifically in the adrians @@Fodaydontplay
@incognitoryan
@incognitoryan Жыл бұрын
Im tryna cop my first docs the vegan 1460 Ben mono boots I’m a size 7 in Nikes, Jordan’s, and size 7 a half in vans should I just get a a size 7 or a size 8 I just don’t want them to be big asf on me yk ?
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay Жыл бұрын
Okay.. I was thinking a 7 for you. The 8 will be big. The 7 will fit better. Might be tight at first but will free up over time
@incognitoryan
@incognitoryan Жыл бұрын
@@Fodaydontplay okay thank you boss
@jennifernicole1734
@jennifernicole1734 Жыл бұрын
I’m in between thinking about purchasing my first docs. I tried on and liked the size 5 but the tongue part of the shoe hurts so bad and if I sized up they feel big
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay Жыл бұрын
This is tricky.. you can try thin socks or not to tie the shoes too tight
@hehehehe3638
@hehehehe3638 Жыл бұрын
I'm having the same issue right now , what did you do
@adriandelacruz8563
@adriandelacruz8563 8 ай бұрын
Hi, im 7.5us on nike dunks high, so should i go for 7.5us on the ruler it's exact 25cm what size should i got for doctor martens? Thanks in advance 🙏
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay 8 ай бұрын
Probably a 7 or 8 depending on how wide your feet are
@Jo-fp3nd
@Jo-fp3nd Жыл бұрын
I'm a 27.5cm which is 9.5US on common shoes. Should I get an 8UK which is 9US?
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay Жыл бұрын
Which Dr Martens are you going to get? For most of them ill say get a size 9 if you do not have wide feet.
@dianeenyi2849
@dianeenyi2849 Жыл бұрын
I'm an 8 to 8.5 US and medium width I'm getting the women's size 8US
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay Жыл бұрын
hello! okay that should fit you.. which Docs are you getting?
@dianeenyi2849
@dianeenyi2849 Жыл бұрын
@@Fodaydontplay I got the 1460 Women's Pascal Virginia Leather Boots
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay Жыл бұрын
@@dianeenyi2849You'll like them.. They'll be easier to break in
@ponzipietro6409
@ponzipietro6409 5 ай бұрын
hi, what about with caterpillar in comparison, is it the same fit do you think? I can't try doc in my city unfortunatly. Thanks
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay 5 ай бұрын
I don’t understand what you mean by the caterpillar
@ponzipietro6409
@ponzipietro6409 5 ай бұрын
is it the samee shoe size? Between cat and doc@@Fodaydontplay
@adielinfante842
@adielinfante842 Жыл бұрын
I bought some size 41 docs (European size) and I'm a size 41, but I started wearing them and they squeeze me a little in the front Is it normal, then they will widen, should I do something?
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay Жыл бұрын
That’s not normal.. they are probably narrow… how tight is it? They should slowly fit you more as you break into them.
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay Жыл бұрын
That’s not normal.. they are probably narrow… how tight is it? They should slowly fit you more as you break into them.
@antoniodidio3707
@antoniodidio3707 Жыл бұрын
hy, i'm italian and i have a question for you! my feets are 26,7 cm and usually my size is 8 UK/42 ITA (vans, converse, nike 8/5) Last year i got a dc martens but the model 1460 size 8 was too big for me, so i got a model 101 size 8 and it was a perfect! How is it possible? What do you suggest to me if i want to get a 1460 crazy horse?
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay Жыл бұрын
Oo wow that a crazy story.. is it possible for you to try them at a store? I’ve never tested the 101. Is the 1460 that you bought still too big?
@antoniodidio3707
@antoniodidio3707 Жыл бұрын
@@FodaydontplayNow i can’t. I don’t live near a shop where i can try, but last year i try a lot of dc martens and i think that the Size can change if The shoes have made in vietnam or repubblica of Lao ecc. it’s so strange
@antoniodidio3707
@antoniodidio3707 Жыл бұрын
@@Fodaydontplay and yes 1460 was to big becouse there isn’t the middle size but i don’t Know maybe i’ll get them on dc martens shop on line… sorry for my bad english. Thanks! your channel is very usefull
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay Жыл бұрын
@@antoniodidio3707 I am happy that i could help.
@juanzi6088
@juanzi6088 Жыл бұрын
I’m usually a 8US in sneakers (7UK) and I realized that for 1460 boots going half a size down to 7.5US-6.5UK is perfect(there are 2 middle sizes in docs 6.5UK and 9.5Uk). However I did the same for a 1461 gaucho and I feel that it could be a little bit tighter and I have some heel slippage in my right foot and I’m going to a store to try the 6UK on
@ezramarcellino4453
@ezramarcellino4453 5 ай бұрын
hello, I usually wear 6uk (25cm) in my local boots and there is still a little room left in them.. I estimate my foot size is 24 - 24.5 cm.. is the size 5uk (24cm) in docmart recommended by you?
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay 5 ай бұрын
Based on your foot size and usual boot fit, going for a UK size 5 in Docs could be a smart choice for a snugger fit, considering their leather stretches over time. Just remember to think about how they fit and if you'll wear thick socks. Trying them on first or checking the return policy is always a good idea to ensure they're just right for you.
@izossss
@izossss 2 ай бұрын
Hi first of all thanks for the video. I wear Salomon SpeedCross EUR 39 1/3(24.5 cm) and Converse Chuck 70 in 38.5. Should I buy size 38 or 39 (for women)? I have slightly wide feet btw.
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay 2 ай бұрын
Get the 39 since you have wide feet
@izossss
@izossss 2 ай бұрын
@@Fodaydontplay thank you🌸
@roidisini4959
@roidisini4959 6 ай бұрын
Hi, I’m usually a US 10.5 and have wide feet, should I go for US 11s then? Thanks!
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay 5 ай бұрын
Most likely 11 should be fine
@GroovyKid94
@GroovyKid94 Жыл бұрын
I wear all my sneakers size US11.. and i got 11 for the docs before realizing i should have tried 10 too.. now i feel like my foot have a little space in the heels and it wiggles. Is that okay? Or 10 was better for me? Please help
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay Жыл бұрын
Is it comfortable when you wear them? The best way to find out is to try them on at a store that sells dr martens. The 10 might be tight at first because you have to break into them.
@GroovyKid94
@GroovyKid94 Жыл бұрын
@@Fodaydontplay yes its comfortable but i dont know if getting a smaller one and break into them would be more comfortable. if there is little space and wiggling, will the shoes still be more comfortable and break into them with time and not get a little bigger?
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay Жыл бұрын
@@GroovyKid94 my concern with getting a 10 is your feet will be a little too big for it and your toes will be cramped in them. This will make the breaking into them very hard. On the other hand, the leather of docs will stretch as you break into them which makes them comfortable afterwards. I think the 10 will fit you if you do not have wide feet.
@GroovyKid94
@GroovyKid94 Жыл бұрын
@@Fodaydontplay but is the 11 still good and would be more comfortable and break into them as well?
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay Жыл бұрын
@@GroovyKid94 if you get the 11 you will have the same experience you had with the other dr martens you bought. The 10 might be small at first and they might hurt if you wear them too long but eventually you will break into them.
@shenathediva1089
@shenathediva1089 6 ай бұрын
I ❤ your voice. 🥰
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay 6 ай бұрын
Thank you very much
@mikasauchiha6785
@mikasauchiha6785 5 ай бұрын
Hello there. The length of my foot is 9 inches or 23.8 long . Do i need to add half inch or 1 cm? It's a little bit wide but most of my shoes are US 7 and my lowest is US6. I'm planning to buy doc martns boots online.
@ushiosbby1805
@ushiosbby1805 5 ай бұрын
mine is also 9 inches, I'm wondering the same. Whether to buy in US7 or US8
@mikasauchiha6785
@mikasauchiha6785 5 ай бұрын
@@ushiosbby1805 Although some experts suggested to me that if the width of my feet is so wide, I should consider sizing up just 1 cm. But my sister adviced me to order US 6 instead of US7. She bought US7 dr martens 1460 from zalora and it runs big for her.Although she will not return it. We have the same foot size too.
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay 5 ай бұрын
Considering your foot length of 9 inches and that you have slightly wide feet, you might fit well into a UK size 5 (US Men's 6 / US Women's 7) in Dr. Martens, based on your usual shoe size range of US 7 to 6. Dr. Martens tend to be roomy, which is good for wider feet, so you might not need to size up. However, consider styles in wider fits if available. Always check the return policy when buying online, in case the size isn’t perfect. Customer reviews on the specific model can also provide helpful insights on fit.
@mikasauchiha6785
@mikasauchiha6785 5 ай бұрын
@@Fodaydontplay Oh thanks for the reply.😊
@chris-ze5eg
@chris-ze5eg 4 ай бұрын
I normally wear size 10.5 US for almost all shoes should i try size 11or 10 for the 1461 martins?
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay 4 ай бұрын
Do you have wide feet? If not go with 10.
@chris-ze5eg
@chris-ze5eg 4 ай бұрын
@@Fodaydontplay thank you very much and I got medium feet 🦶
@Claver90366
@Claver90366 2 ай бұрын
​@chris-ze5eg did you get the shoes? Did they fit right?
@chris-ze5eg
@chris-ze5eg 2 ай бұрын
@@Claver90366 I have yet to get them but if you get them lmk as well.
@ahmadafiq670
@ahmadafiq670 Жыл бұрын
most of my sneakers are size UK7 for many brands and models. for dr martens, should i get UK6 or UK7 for 1460/1461?
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay Жыл бұрын
I am guessing you have any dr martens store next to you.. I’ll say size 7 is safe and you know it’s going to fit. Size 6 might be more snug. Depending on the leather it might take some time to break into which might hurt even more. Also, if you have if you have wide feet definitely get a 7.
@ahmadafiq670
@ahmadafiq670 Жыл бұрын
@@Fodaydontplay i do have the archie II in size UK6. they fit snug and there is no wiggle room. length wise is ok, but the width, they cramp my feet. but i never had the chance to try the uk7. so im not sure whether to stick to uk6 or uk7.
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay Жыл бұрын
@@ahmadafiq670 it’s up to you.. can you deal with your feet being cramped when you’re breaking in your docs?
@osman.korkmas
@osman.korkmas Жыл бұрын
Hello mate Our foot size is the same. Which size did you buy?
@yourmamafavouriteboy1967
@yourmamafavouriteboy1967 Жыл бұрын
Hey, we have the same size 7uk ..which size should i’ll pick 6uk size down or 7uk true to size..
@lace568
@lace568 Жыл бұрын
Yo am 9.5 men but the shoes i want are in women should I get size 11 women
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay Жыл бұрын
well. It depends on what type of Docs you want to get. The leather Docs then they will stretch when breaking into them. I am not 100% sure on the conversion from men's to women's but from my research, it seems right.
@irmazauber
@irmazauber Жыл бұрын
Martens have different fits . Rascal is runs smaller , Jason - larger , dr Martens have no any model which is true to size .
@majotorres3633
@majotorres3633 2 жыл бұрын
I’m usually a 7.5 but my adidas are an 8 bc 7.5 its to tight, should i get a 7 or 8?🥺🥺🥺
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay 2 жыл бұрын
Do you have wide feet?
@liquidfluid6935
@liquidfluid6935 2 жыл бұрын
I think you should go for 8. 7 might be too tight
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay 2 жыл бұрын
@@liquidfluid6935 okay that’s fine
@chrismorales8819
@chrismorales8819 2 жыл бұрын
I use 8 1/2 for vans should I go for 8
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay 2 жыл бұрын
It depends if you have wide feet.. if not the 8 will fit snug on your feet but eventually you’ll break into them and they get more comfortable
@nritti_
@nritti_ Жыл бұрын
If u purchase dr marten from uk they have half sizes.
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay Жыл бұрын
Is this in the store? the website has some but not all
@georgek914
@georgek914 Жыл бұрын
Not on website in all models
@erikbayerlein4025
@erikbayerlein4025 Жыл бұрын
i wear 8,5 on vans and they fit perfect. should i get 7 or 8 on uk size? (1461 docs)
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay Жыл бұрын
It’s hard to say.. if you can try on a 8 to be safe.. 7 might be very tight. Also other things to consider is if you have wide feet
@andresbh1805
@andresbh1805 11 ай бұрын
Hi! I have the same doubt in this moment. Finally what size did you buy?
@liberty5565
@liberty5565 Жыл бұрын
My foot is 10.25, in Shell tops I wear 11. My docs are old, like 15yrs old, but I think they were 9. The doc sizing chart says size 7 based on my foot size. Confusing as hell
@Fodaydontplay
@Fodaydontplay Жыл бұрын
I am confused too.. i made this video comparing my dr martens size to other common shoes. i hope this helps: kzbin.info/www/bejne/faWWq6FortmCd5Y
@judgedonald2325
@judgedonald2325 Жыл бұрын
Same with me......the chart is horse shit. Same size foot as you. I bought some 10s and the only way they fit is if I straight lace them right and tight. Plus wear thick socks. Tomorrow I'm gonna buy some red cherry 1460s in 9 and see if it's better.
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