HOW TO FIT A RECESSED CONCEALED SHOWER VALVE - Plumbing Tips

[@plumberparts]

*Links to the tools I USE EVERYDAY in the description above!* Still uploading helpful video today! Plus Follow my Vlog, TimesWithJames kzbin.info

[@DerekHundik]

could yu post the link to the wall chaser

[@ColumboE7]

Hi mate, quick question if you don’t mind... can you tile over expansion foam??

[@mohana.6185]

Can you please provide a link to your double disc ankle grinder please.

[@phillipbull3673]

These showers installations are great !! Especially when the tiler and plasterer tell you the finished depth and then decide to change it so you can't get the valve on afterwards

[@stevebailey3899]

Have recently purchased one of these concealed units.. it is going straight back in the box and back to the retailer after watching your video James, by the way what a fantastic video it is. The shower we brought has NO instructions in and if it was not for finding your video would not have a scooby do (Clue) on how to fit it. However I am quite lucky that I have a 300mm recess behind but it is the (IF) I need to do any maintenance afterwards. So thank you James for this brilliant Video. Regards Steve.

[@kerable]

Thankful for all the time and effort you took to show us this install and what to look for

[@Diyprincesss]

Great tips! Am about to fit a recessed, concealed shower valve that combines a wall mounted bath spout, hand-held shower bit and overhead rain showerhead next week and it's great to see this covered. Much appreciated!

[@Diyprincesss]

PS: I am not even going to bother chasing out channels but building a false wall, as having a concealed cistern and wall hung toilet along the same wall.

[@hotchill11]

Great Video its one of those jobs that may need more than basic DIY knowledge can be a challenge . I have done a few on older property double skin wall no cavity and few stud walls the old bricked houses are solid compared to new brick ones and I found rather that chassis out for taps it's quicker to go straight through first skin take a few bricks out and only chase pipes in neatly. Put a peace of ply or timber then expansion foam which will actually bond your taps in. I usually use foam on door liners and widows. Foam is used to speed working time and it bonds like shit when expanded some I know some companies use this stuff on door liners without screws. I still put the odd one or two. Great videos I have learned a few things from this guy. And he has a brilliant sense of humour

[@MartiA1973]

What can I say! I fitted the 3 way version of these into a BRICK wall. Everything you say is true. They are badly designed. The brick is impossible to level; I had to cut the recess then render it smooth. Expanding PU foam is essential to hold everything in. The dust is a killer. The most expensive recessed valves are no better designed than the cheap stuff. Everything is tough and I'm a sparks , not a plumber. so it was all a steep learning curve and I struggled. The result is beautiful and your video recognition of how challenging it is has been therapy :) Might even do my C&G in plumbing now.

[@number9956]

Morning James,I don't know where to begin really but I believe I have learned more from you then from my college lol, there for I appreciate you dedication in making videos for us students, you always make the video enjoyable to watch.I REALLY WANT TO MEET YOU hopefully at the installershow if you're going .As I told you on Instagram that I have finished my course about 4 months before the others I believe you motivated me to complete that .Thanks very much for all you're hard work Adam Cassidy

[@plumberparts]

Hi Adam, no worries mate! I will be at Installer show, so hopefully we can meet up for a jar there!

[@y04b79]

Thanks for sharing these videos. I got ripped off by a plumber who didn't show up with my items so I need to learn to install one myself. Wish me luck.

[@dannyp7791]

Thanks James, nice video mate. Have always hated installing these, especially when you find out the blocks you're working with are 3inch thick

[@NivagSwerdna]

So much more relaxing watching someone else doing it than doing it yourself. You missed the bit where you turn the water on and it leaks out of the connections.

[@accuwarm7827]

This is exactly the same as an install we did at the start of the week. Glad to hear someone else’s likes to foam them in, looks a feekin mess before it’s cut back mind! Everbuild exact gap works well 👍🏻.

[@plumberparts]

Yeah man, although undoubtedly some numpty will say it burns through the copper or something!

[@adriangrimes9628]

Great video as usual and totally agree the producers need to think about making the fitting of them easier, seems like a misses opportunity for them , and foam... Well ,great in the right hands and in the wrong hands....

[@accuwarm7827]

No doubt James! Despite the fact that foam is designed to seal pipe entries I heard it could eat through the brickwork too. Naaaasty stuff. Yes, foam in the wrong hands is just comical...!

[@patrickmurray2220]

Great video James I didn't think anybody would do a video on this subject. Not easy to do. You're right these showers are a headache to do on solid walls. I think they're designed for stud walls

[@plumberparts]

Yeah you're probably right....although I see them installed like this all the time. Much prefer a surface mounted with chased pipes!

[@patrickmurray2220]

Yep if the customer wants it on a certain wall you have no choice

[@teecee90]

Love the singing ha

[@plumberparts]

Exactly why I had that lyric!

[@williammcgrattan9583]

Good video James, the channel machine really does take away the pain.

[@squiggle9291]

You make it look so easy buddy.. my concealed shower valve was a failure . It is now a thermostatic garden feature . ⛲ It's cheaper to get washed at the gym anyway... Great work you do, top quality and an eye for detail .highly skilled tradesmen are few and far between these days. Your a true craftsman.. Respect.. 👍 I take my trade serious also... I am a biscuit tester for McVities.. Its Jaffa cake week this week..Anyway.. I used to work for PG Tips before that.. not T tasting, Yack! . I'm a coffee guy. Anyway. I was the chimp in the frock!🐒 Keep up the cracking work buddy.. your the only plumber I know that doesn't wear wellys and a snorkel Hold tight , as I overheard the vicar say to the choir boy. Think he was on about a balloon for the village fair.. As he said "keep your lips around it boy, it's getting bigger" Anyway Medication time Night night Laters Squiggs

[@getbry7452]

Thanks again for the video. Useful info as always they are a pain in the arse to fit. I always recommend exposed bar valves. I'm glad you mentioned, Loctite 577 and pressure testing. My most recent one I had in place for maybe a week and I would run the hot/cold head/hose for periods to make sure there were no leaks before I drylined the wall. I wouldn't install one without Loctite on those threads.

[@plumberparts]

HI GUYS! A few mistakes in this vid...or at least OMISSIONS! 1. To get the depth of cut, use the disc depth gauge or with power off measure the depth of the blade with a ruler. 2. Use a ruler/tape to confirm each bit of chasing/wall removal you do. 3. Doing this does not weaken the wall to any substantial point....if you think it does enjoy your foil hat! 3. Finally you can use plywood as a base or packers plus a set square to make sure your valve is square before filling/covering. I did film that bit but for some reason the card got corrupted and by then I'd knocked the bloddy wall down! Anyway, please follow my Instagram on www.plumberparts.co.uk/social.php?social=Instagram THANKS!

[@jackjill3205]

Jimbo the link to Loctite product to use for the valve connections??? ... Yet another gr8 video soon you will get an Oscar

[@iangoddard57]

Nice one picked up a lot. I always guide customer to service fit. Better all round. Picked up loads from this. Locatite 55, getting that. Always get little weeps on pressure test with ptfe. Love your two disc chaser dust extraction. Awesome really useful in lots of ways. Thank you

[@iangoddard57]

Surface fit sorry. Bloody predictive

[@plumberparts]

No worries dude! Glad to help mate.

[@greatbritain5355]

plumberparts, You are the worst plumber I have ever seen.

[@qiuchange5980]

This video bring me an idea to make the water pipe come from the top for the shower and without chasing the original solid concrete wall. The additional light brick is easy for chasing. Yes baby.

[@Dangoymer]

Great vid, nice idea about sliding a bit of ply into the cavity. Love the song, PLEASE DONT CHASE THAT WALL, CHASE THAT WALL! gunna be in my head all day.

[@plumberparts]

Ha! Sorry dude!

[@Knoc_Whearity]

Bro'...... went to bed last night singing that damn song, woke up this morning,,, first words outta my gob, "Chase that wall".... then landed on the job this morning,, same shower valve,,, in a partition wall though... praise be....

[@plumberparts]

Ha! Sorry dude!

[@Knoc_Whearity]

ahhhhh great song,,,, we need more of that Bro'.... i need to be getting my Whearity Tiling vids up to date man.... keep up the great work Jimmy....

[@plumberparts]

Cheers mate No worries!

[@alfredbendana4467]

Thank you for taking your time to make a video and explain to us properly. I appreciate it

[@plumberparts]

Glad it was helpful!

[@hieveryone999]

These videos are great and all. But can we bring back Plumbing disasters !?!?

[@plumberparts]

In development now!

[@woodbine66]

LOL. Quick burst of Harry Enfield's Tory Boy at 18.50. Thanks J for another great one.

[@nopt1118]

Hi James, thank you very much for yet another brilliant and utterly professional video. As a carpenter, I’d most likely be inclined to frame a 100mm wall rather than chase the breeze block, oh yes! And I’d probably think of few designs for resulting alcoves. Thanks a bunch mate. 👍

[@captainchaos3053]

Lucky lucky man. My house is made of blue stone. I did this job and it took nearly 3 days.

[@SVSunnyJim]

Great content, couldn't do it without you.... 👍 💪

[@kingspunkbubble]

For my shower valve I used the Bristan Descent kit. This was the shallowest valve I could find. Also bear in mind that on a brick wall you also have the extra thickness of the render and the tiles which can be as much as three centimetres.

[@TheZirman]

Well done, good man.

[@fanyeros123]

So easy explanation. Please keep carrie on . Waiting for the next Vid.

[@iSoul95]

Just skirting over the fact that you ended up pulling the top brick off altogether XD

[@cjhification]

Got to love the Titan wall chaser, nother winner from Screwfix Titan range, made getting ready for sparky so much easier.

[@ImranKhan-hz8jy]

Gotta do that job next week I hate doing bathrooms some times

[@jackjill3205]

Jimbo the link to Loctite product to use for the valve connections ... Yet another gr8 video soon you will get an Oscar

[@steves1460]

Jack Jill Bit late now but you can google Loctite 755 or 55.

[@jackjill3205]

@@steves1460 thanks, got there already

[@neilallen4484]

Great video, but stupid question is the hot on the left or right inlet? And the outlets go to the two head?

[@citizenx2422]

Done a few of these, but as I like this guy, I thought he might have a simpler way I didn't know about. Sadly, he doesn't. Except to say that it confirmed my impulse to build a stud wall. He does make me laugh though, and I loved the song!

[@anncostello5894]

Great tutor like your attention to detail 😊

[@yousafamin3187]

Great vid as always ❤👌🏽👊🏽👳🏽‍♂️

[@garrybolton591]

cheers James, I keep putting this job off but your video has really helped, im a pretty good but not brilliant diy'er but here goes!

[@krzysiekv12]

I like these, in other people's houses 😂😂

[@michaelread2067]

great stuff. you covered all the issues. warts and all.

[@abidaferdous7913]

Hi, I need some advice on how to adjust this white ring on bottom one, the right way to adjust as my plumber messed it up

[@andyeversden]

Awesome Video.. I installed one recently , yep it was a royal pain in the backside!

[@plumberparts]

They always are!

[@inquisitive1911]

I love your videos James!! You're so funny!! You're the best!! Thanks Xxx.

[@harryfel4065]

James can you please do a video on how to locate a sewage smell within a room? HOLD TIGHT!!!

[@zedman442]

Nice one. Wouldn't advise compression on shower valve. You can buy angled end feed to 3/4" male iron. Hate concealed valved. Some of the bar mixers look just as nice.

[@pauleagles]

I’m looking forward to your Chernobyl video. I went there last year and it was utterly fascinating!

[@jasonhumphries]

I have just bought that tool so I hope its good.

[@yousafamin3187]

Hi hope all are happy n well. Could someone please advise me 🙏🏼. The compression elbows were secured with Locktight. Instead of using the compression elbows....... can it be done with a flexy pipe ? Doesn't seem legit to me .I've spent almost a grand on these bath & shower mixers so please please please advise me ASAP & thanks in advance 🙏🏼💕

[@p3u3g3poultree7]

shower body on an exterior wall without insulation is a no no. hammer drill and a 1/2 inch bit chase to floor. Shower body, stubs, and penny value made up before you fit it. ptfe 3 wraps works perfect. Setting body if you cant screw use wooden shims to anchor top and bottom of valve. Make sure you have valve right side up. Some shower bodys if it is install upside down it will not allow hot water to pass on cold inlet.

[@PilotLyons]

Mate you need to wear ear protection as well.. I've damaged my ear drum through loud noisy tools 😔 now I can't even watch a film at cinema as it just distorts real bad. I may even fail my flying medical for it 😢😢 just get plugs for 99p from screwfix if you don't want to wear the over head ones. But take it from me... always use them coz once it's damaged its damaged

[@plumberparts]

Yeah man, if I'm honest I've probably got a tad bit of Tinnitus already....btw I'm 4 hrs in on my lessons in a 172!

[@PilotLyons]

plumberparts nice one! You decided to carry on with it then 😁 it's brilliant mate... If you can afford it. They don't have an 172 where I fly shame really. They only have 2 4 seaters so difficult to get one to take my girls out at same time. Where are you flying from?

[@plumberparts]

Duxford....it's amazing in the circuit with a Spitfire and a B17!

[@PilotLyons]

plumberparts I'm well gel as the youngsters say nowadays 😂

[@MartiA1973]

What he said is so true. You guys are using power tools in small bathrooms and the noise reverberates. USE EAR DEFENDERS.

[@Oscar-te6xu]

So to clarify, only 1 pipe goes up towards the shower head fitting? What is the 2nd outlet hole for?? At the top valve.. (sorry, novice question I understand) Thanks

[@ratchriat1716]

Loved the video James

[@Adamation2011]

Great video, currently doing a full DIY renovation and have one of these, pretty much got it ready to fit but it's great to know I've gone the right way about it after watching your video!, Really liking the expanding foam idea!

[@plumberparts]

Yeah nails it in!

[@mattbridge6925]

Adam182 ii

[@scott.whittaker]

Is it better to go up to the shower head in 22mm given 2x15mm feeds are being mixed into one?

[@joeb6915]

1.7 k in a few hours, nice to see 😎 keep it up buddy lovely stuff. Ps where can I preorder the album for the van?

[@cygnus108]

Brilliant instructional !! Just what I'm looking for....thank you

[@dieselbiggins]

You’re a great tradesmen and fun to watch, but remember people that if you do this on a party wall there’s something called “the party wall act” and if you’re found breaching the act the homeowner and the tradesmen are liable for legal costs and repair’s to the adjoining house owner!

[@iansolway1022]

Really helpful video as always, I'm currently in the process of installing one of these things! Luckily I have a a stud wall. However I have a problem, got a 3/4 bsp threaded joint that will not stop leaking. It's a drip every hour but it's driving me crazy, I've tried ptfe, thread compound, a combination of both, nothing works. I've just ordered some hemp. Have you got any other suggestions? It's close to going out the window....

[@steves1460]

Ian Solway Did you ever sort your problem, as i’m looking at installing an iBox that comes with 3/4” outlets? Not sure hemp is now acceptable for potable.

[@TheKamm45]

Hi James great vids. Any advice on plumbing in a shower valve where the hot comes in the top and the cold at the bottom and the mixed water comes out the bottom aswell. Thanks

[@domenico36840]

Thanks for the video..

[@mikeboyd3822]

Can you put a link to the correct Loctite?! Is it 55 or 577 you useV

[@caijones3147]

good stuff

[@omkseo]

Would you use plastic instead of copper

[@paulholden8852]

Hi James - love the videos. When you fitted the compression joints to the valve, how did you make sure they ended up facing in the right direction? When I fully tighten the ones I have into the body the don't always point where I need them to, to connect with the pipework. Do you use extra PTFE to limit how far the screw into the body? Leave the fitting slightly loose and add sealant or some other secret plumber's trick?

[@paulholden8852]

Sorry - now watched the video all the way through - Loctite :)

[@johndaniells4440]

Jim, loved the video mate but I personally would have appreciated some sort of flying kick to knock the wall down. Just think something slightly more acrobatic would have ended well. And it looked like the wall fell on your foot too. Hope you're ok bro.

[@maxmundy5496]

How close together can the chases be? Does having an electrical cable chased near by affect installation or regs?

[@ianmarsh3119]

James Can you do a video on Macerators. I have one to fit soon. But never touched one before. Thank you.

[@vikingofengland]

I wouldn't touch one either. Could get messy.

[@jakemcguire77]

Hi James recently my radiator has feel of my bedroom door and I don’t know who to phone to mount it back up if it is a plumber or a gas man could you help me with that please.

[@gregoryhirst6831]

Choose a valve with shallow depth, easy

[@wahidmahmood9169]

Visiting Chernobyl 😅u came bk on time bud.

[@MrLubba1974]

Hey Jimbob, what about M&F fittings for locktight? I usually put PTFE on the threads on the mixer with a joining compound .. so no PTFE at all just locktight? Great video again mate ..HOLD TIGHT ...

[@christianbower3023]

Hi. How do you ensure that the pipes do not build up condensation which then transmits to the brickwork? I’ve stripped the tiles off the back of the shower wall with dad was coming through to the adjacent side. I’m not entirely sure but I think it might be condensation on the pipes leading from the thermostatic valve to the showerhead. Which is particularly possible if you have very cold showers in the morning

[@123HardGamers]

Hi i am actually doing this in my house right now and was wondering would it be best to install PVC pipe 15mm or to use copper i am gonna do this with all my piping i have chased out the walls just waiting on best solution

[@frogman1962]

i have a 2x4 studded wall to work with how do I fix evrything in a solid manner

[@davidcross30]

Nice vid thanks James. Hold tight.

[@Glittlejohns1]

Hi buddy, great video and easy to follow. I am installing a recessed shower and trying to work out how to connect the elbow for the flexible hose to the recessed outlet. The elbow has a male thread and appears to just screw into the secured female section. But if I do this how do I check for leaks? Is there a better way to fix the elbow? Thanks and hold tight.

[@Masq09]

I have just the same problem. No videos anywhere on how to install the shower outlet to a wall board !

[@robknibb]

@@Masq09 I thought the same, spent ages trying to figure it out, currently waiting on tiles and then got the dreaded bit where you screw rainfall and male elbow in, think loctite 55 looks like the best idea to use. Hope and pray?

[@steves1460]

Good question and i think your only option is to pressure test.

[@nw5835]

Are you alowed to mention the make and price of the wall chaser, I've seen some as low as £80 and some £150 - any recomendations are most welcome - great vid as allways.

[@chrisboii]

NW that one looks like a titan to me - a Screwfix brand of power tool

[@WeAreTheTrueMedia]

I'm about to do this on an 18th century stone wall 😬

[@diybathroom5123]

If the wall ends up rough/irregular you can simply stick a piece of cement board inside to create a flat surface. Do not use wood or plasterboard.

[@nate5331]

Alright pal .....if just had a combi boiler fited .....went from gravaty fed shower to power .........but now when I turn my shower on .......it blew a pipe and the shower stopped .....we have had that pipe fixed ......turn shower back on and now 20/30 seconds later the shower stops again .....no leaks from what I can tell so what's stopping it

[@jimmywatts8219]

That song tho 😁🤩

[@MyWayStudios.EX-BREAK]

Please dont chase that wall :P could be a good music video :D love it !

[@maxwellmc9734]

Love the videos cool. ...

[@TheNishNu]

Which veto is it you have the tech MCT ?

[@spursforlife12]

Can you do a video on pressure testing with different scenarios?

[@davem3833]

Is that ending your sly way into music production 😂👌🎶

[@chrisenright7003]

I hate the cold shower you always get when you select the overhead outlet.

[@ezza88ster]

You got a good voice Bro! When's the album coming out? :-). Now what shall we name it.........?

[@ShunWeece33]

What's the hessian pipe insulation look like? Please help...

[@TheEulerID]

Originally the "breeze" bit of block was a synonym for ash and "proper" breeze block is made from the ash from coal fired power stations and gas works. Truly horrible to stuff to work with, and my best wishes to anybody who has to channel that stuff out as it's amazing hard and brittle and full of coarse inclusions. That stuff is thermalite block and, in comparison, is like carving through butter. nb. whilst those concealed valves are nice, I'd never, ever want one in a house of mine as there's too much embedded in the wall. They might not be as neat, but bar mixers for me with no compression joints stuck in the wall.

[@Gixer750pilot]

Jimbo do some proper singing plumbing videos . They are good viewing for a Saturday morning big session 🎤

[@GeeTheBuilder]

Did I miss when you proposed how to check for leaks?

[@GeeTheBuilder]

Oops...I hadn’t got to 18:00 yet Apologies 🙏

[@kianpearch8605]

Love the song mate when are you going to do a veto review on your new bags and wear EAR PROTECTION

[@aforbesshowreel]

hi there - my plumber fitted this at an angle (!) - therefore if/when water runs down the wall it goes onto the controls themselves (the back panel has silicon behind it so that's not a problem) and then trickles backwards into the cavity behind the tiles. I am worried it will eventually damage the copper pipes. Any quick fixes for this? Everything has been tiled so it is a case of doing something to the controls themselves to stop water trickling into where the crack that needs to move to let them turn. Welcome any advice - thank you!

[@steves1460]

Annabella Forbes Schoolboy error to fit crooked! Really needs re-aligning. If the plate is siliconed, how is water getting inside? Copper damage is not your problem, but damage to everything else in your cavity and downstairs!? Defo needs sorting and not left as is.

[@awoken2excellence]

Very inspiring from fixing to the music, f***ing legend!!

[@ianmackay17]

What the 2 blade chase tool you use please

[@steves1460]

ian mackay Late in the day, but it is a wall chaser.

[@mroldschool609]

Hold tight x 2 yesssssss

[@Devil2k81]

Just want to point out. This is youtube, and therefore many of your viewers are not plumbers.

[@deanshaw9955]

Building regs out the window

[@misterjones7929]

Which building regs are you referring to, out of interest?

[@TheRealFOSFOR]

Video starts at 3:27

[@craigwatson7692]

Great vid, these valves are an absolute nightmare, I always try to sway the customer away from them or if possible, surface fix and stud the wall off instead. I don't understand though why 99% of plumbers say cement corrodes copper when there is no proof of this. Any burried pipe should always be covered in felt sleaving/wrap but it's used to create an expansion gap. It's abrasion that damages burried pipes not corrosion.

[@MichaelJohnson-cg7he]

Its the lime in the cement that can cause corrosion of copper.

[@craigwatson7692]

@@MichaelJohnson-cg7he no it's not, i was told the same story when I was training too. Pipes do need protecting but they need protecting from thermal expansion and abrasion, not corrosion.

[@MichaelJohnson-cg7he]

@@craigwatson7692 Sorry Craig your wrong, look up the chemistry, lime has a habit of attacking anything its in contact with, some materials more slowly than others, but your other conclusion is correct, copper buried in solid walls or floors do need some kind of outer sleeve to prevent abrasion and noise due to thermal expansion. And whilst your at it look up Concrete Cancer and High Alumina Cement.

[@craigwatson7692]

@@MichaelJohnson-cg7he sorry but I don't believe I'm wrong, most concrete and screeds in the UK are Portland cement based anyway which is completely safe to use with copper, but still evem years ago when lime cement was more widely used there was no proof that the lime actually corrodes the copper. Lime does corrode some metals but not copper.

[@MichaelJohnson-cg7he]

@@craigwatson7692 Portland Cement is made from Lime see here: Portland cement is manufactured by crushing, milling and proportioning the following materials: Lime or calcium oxide, CaO: from limestone, chalk, shells, shale or calcareous rock Silica, SiO2: from sand, old bottles, clay or argillaceous rock Alumina, Al2O3: from bauxite, recycled aluminum, clay Iron, Fe2O3: from from clay, iron ore, scrap iron and fly ash Gypsum, CaSO4.2H20: found together with limestone