How to fix a Toro Personal Pace Mower with Rear Wheel Drive Grinding Issues

If your Toro Personal Pace mower with rear wheel drive has slipping issues, has started driving a lot slower, and makes awful grinding noises, this video will show you the simple repair to solve these issues.
#Toro #grindingwheel #drivegear #mowerrepair

[@fillslawncare]

Great repair. When I do those, I always remove the spring, clean all the old gunk, and apply anti-sieze to everything before installing the gear ⚙ 👍 Thanks for the video Kyle!

[@kbssmallenginerepair2615]

Thanks for sharing!

[@jamalama5548]

I view a LOT of repair videos and this is the best one I’ve seen on KZbin. Thanks for posting.

[@Justice_Peace1469]

Thank you so much for helping others with the very clear and understandable demonstration video.

[@safiaf220]

Thank so much, I just converted my mower from using a plastic wheels to a metal wheels seeing how simple you showed it to come apart

[@kbssmallenginerepair2615]

Excellent! So glad you found it useful! I'm sure you will find the metal counterpart much better and longer lasting.

[@user-fp2iq2cy1e]

The video on replacing w pinion gear was perfect! Thank you

[@nedgarca]

Excellent video. Super clear and concise, with good pro tips.

[@kbssmallenginerepair2615]

Thank you very much.

[@Veets-VA3VMD]

Fantastic Video! I replaced the belt and traction cable and still weak drive. I took apart both back wheels and thoroughly cleaned the gears on both. They were heavily caked with dirt and slime. I used a thin flathead screw driver and a very thin file to clean…. Sprayed a little WD-40 put it back together and voila…. the 18yr old Toro working like a charm….. I think it’s time for a new one next year. Excellent video!

[@kbssmallenginerepair2615]

Thanks so much Veets! I'm glad you were able to solve your problem and get some more life out of your maching. I appreciate the kind feedback!

[@phillipsiegel3601]

Really informative. Had no idea what I had to do to repair the self propel.

[@kbssmallenginerepair2615]

Glad it was helpful, thank you for watching!

[@TheRalf9999]

Having the same issue with a 4year old model.. appreciate your feedback ❤

[@TheRustyRooster]

And that is how its done... Great job, enjoyed the video.

[@kbssmallenginerepair2615]

Thank you Rusty!

[@butler386]

Excellent video. Good information for sure. Thanks for the video

[@kbssmallenginerepair2615]

Thanks D! I appreciate the kind feedback!

[@DicksSmallEngines]

Great video KB sir. Enjoyed it. 👍🏻

[@kbssmallenginerepair2615]

Thanks Dick!

[@hockeyrd99]

Great video. I've done this before, but it's been a while. I just bought a new wheel and pinion. Wasn't sure if the wheel came with a new bushing in it, so I bought the bushing also.

[@TLMD]

Very nice repair man. Keep it up!

[@kbssmallenginerepair2615]

Thanks Detective!

[@johnduff6436]

Great little how to. Thanks

[@JungleBobRepair]

great video,i do that same repair many times during a season,

[@kbssmallenginerepair2615]

Thanks Jungle Bob! Nice quick repair!

[@Lovinflyindrones2022]

Nice video. I was going to ask you for a video on that fix. Thanks

[@RodsAutomotive]

Thanks for that - very helpful!

[@kbssmallenginerepair2615]

Awesome! Glad it was helpful!

[@jimmypopp2695]

Thank you KB.

[@gravelyman]

Good video KB!!!

[@kbssmallenginerepair2615]

Thanks Gravely

[@leif2335]

Thanks for the video.

[@kbssmallenginerepair2615]

Thanks for watching Leif!

[@winkfinkerstien1957]

Thank you! 😎👍

[@henrymurawskibigdogrepair]

Good video kile

[@bridgetv68]

Thanks!

[@kommoncents5853]

I have seen replacement gears for rear wheels (the gear that is riveted to the wheel) that is way less cost than buying the wheel, how would someone replace that part that is riveted ?

[@josephbenanti2811]

Thank you. !!!

[@remowb]

I agree with last comment! Last year I replaced the rear wheels on my Toro. Since then I get a lot of grinding noise. If you turn the wheel on one side of the mower it moves in both directions but the other side is locked up. I pulled the pinion gear off to see if it was on backwards as you demonstrated in the video but the wheel is locked up either way you put the gear on. Do I have a bad transmission? Thanks!

[@danielpadgett2831]

I would have put some white lithium grease on the shaft before I put it back together but def a great video

[@Lovinflyindrones2022]

You should record everything that comes in your shop so if someone says u didn’t do this or that you could say here’s the video watch and see. Then of course you can put it here on KZbin too.

[@mgomez5606]

My pinion gear only turns in one direction on rear right wheel. The left one is good. Is transmission bad?

[@markheidema3699]

great video, will I be able to use a drive wheel and metal gear assembly on a toro recycler that had a original plastic wheel gear wheel?

[@LS1007]

I have a 2013 model that had the plastic gear wheels and you have to change the pinion gear to match with the metal gear on the wheel. 2014 models went back to having metal gear wheels.

[@weeverob]

my rear drive toro's rear drive wheels will not stop turning. even adjusting the self-propelled cable up and down has no influence, wheels still spin. As a result pulling the mower backward is very difficult because the drive wants to go forward. Any thoughts? tx

[@timkalal6983]

I replaced my wheels and gears and still have a grinding noise on the rear left side.Toro 20332.Any ideas.

[@licendawatson6301]

Would this issue cause the back wheel to fall off?

[@jorgel7781]

Would that also make the mower hard to turn? I have a toro timemaster and just started having that issue. It’s so hard to turn that it creates ruts

[@josephlkirklen1753]

Replace belts on Toro 30" twin blade Time Master lawnmower?

[@patricklarocque1550]

hi, I have the "equivalent" Lawnboy machine ( 10650C with electric start) but with the plastic drive gears in the wheels. Replaced both wheels and pignons, however the mower still skips teeth on the right side which already worn out after only 3 mowings. When I looked at it, seems like the pinion was not grabbing the full width of the gear and that the teeth on mesh as deep as they should. The mower is 10 years old, had little to no use for the first 7 years but now the traction system is work hard 2 hours a week on my hilly backyard. Any thoughts or ideas before I replace the back wheel again (the pinions barely had time to have any damage, so I'll keep those). Should I cheat and by the steel geared wheels?

[@kbssmallenginerepair2615]

That is very strange. I would double check that the axle/wheel assembly isn't bent or damaged, causing the wheel to sit on an angle and not engaging fully. Secondly, when you install the wheel, spin the actual wheel as you install it to make sure the gears fully seat together. Make sure there is no grinding or slipping that you can see. I am showing a 119-0321 for that machine, is that the same one you purchased? It appears to be metal, or possibly a hard type of plastic. Either way if that got stripped something is obviously not right.

[@teresaperlick3321]

My left rear wheel just started squeaking and locking up when moving forward, is fine going backwards - all while mower is off. When I started it and moved forward it seemed fine. Maybe coincidence. I know absolutely nothing about this stuff but I just found your video! Do you think this is the problem? Toro 22” personal pace 6.5 GTS model 20018. Even though it’s old it’s hardly ever been used but it’s always been maintained (and waxed lol). I can’t afford to bring it in. Please advise. Thanks so much!! Terri

[@kbssmallenginerepair2615]

It very well could be the problem. I would pull the wheel off and take a look at the gears on both the wheel and the gear on the axle. Pull the gear off the axle and take a look at the key, and spring under the key. Make sure everything is in place and working properly. Grease everything as needed. With the wheel off, spin the axle shaft and see if you hear the squeaking or feel any locking up. If so, we need to look more into the trans-axle. If anything looks out of the ordinary on the shaft, gears, etc. we can go from there.

[@0vixie0]

What if its making a squeaking sound when you do it

[@wildbuzzz]

I have an AWD, and on occasion, I have to drag it backward, and the rear wheels lock up. It does not seem to be truly AWD.

[@timstohlmeyer7302]

It's definitely am easy job. Until your new wheel doesn't line up with the gear... the struggle is real

[@renhoek01]

Probably a dumb question, but do both rear wheels have gear assemblies, or just the left rear? (I figure both of them do, and you only filmed one. But thought I'd ask.)

[@kbssmallenginerepair2615]

No dumb questions here. Both wheels do have gears in them. Sometimes both will wear out, sometimes one wheel will get bent funny and just wear the one side out.

[@grahamcharnock6453]

I noticed the side play on the drive axle, is it normal to have up to 1/2 inch movement? Also the plastic shaft that sticks up throught the metal geat ring can pull out through the gear ring, so I assume it's busted too? Great video by the way. My wife's been yelling at me to do this and now I know how!

[@artsnow8872]

That needs another "how to" video to show that repair. There are worn parts. Maybe some more good used parts?

[@grahamcharnock6453]

@@artsnow8872 So, I got the parts from Amazon and when I tore it down I cleaned up all the old washers and put them aside. After cleaning up the axle I reassembled everything and used all the old washers to pack the gap on one side and all the new ones from the kit to pack the other side. Now the axle barely moves an 1/8 of an inch side to side and is centred better on the gear drive of the wheel! No problems so far! Fingers crossed and whole lot cheaper then a new mower, including wheels, battery, blade and drive kit.

[@edparungao5733]

@@grahamcharnock6453hey I’ve been searching for someone that has this problem too! I have an old Honda mower and the gears started grinding and noticed that the wheels were aligning right with the pinion gear. I think the wheel is loose on the axle which prevents them from lining up right with the gears. I noticed that when the rear wheels sit on the ground they bow in towards the top of the wheels due to the gap. So I’m going to try to add spacers like you to see if they fix the alignment so it contacts the pinion gear correctly. Is your fix still holding up? Thanks!

[@grahamcharnock6453]

@@edparungao5733 Hey, it's been a year and the fix I used is still working. Our lawn is approximately 5000 square feet so they are getting a good work out every cut. You may want to check the inside of the wheels for wear though, just in case, they are plastic after all. As I mentioned I ended up replacing the drive wheels because the teeth were worn. Good luck and let me know how it works out for you!👍👍

[@callanmurphy9807]

Might be a silly question mate, but just curious if you know if the wheels are all the same configuration regarding the older models and newer model parts fitting. Cheers mate.

[@kbssmallenginerepair2615]

I don't believe they are. There are some that have plastic gears, some with metal gears, different sizes etc. Make sure to look up your model number to double check.

[@callanmurphy9807]

@@kbssmallenginerepair2615 I didn't think they would be but wasn't sure. Mines the steel version. I'm from Australia but for some reason my model and serial number don't come up on the database. I'll just have to take old wheel in to compare I guess

[@lennym27]

I like your video. My problem is removing the pinion gear. I can not get it off. Can you help?

[@kbssmallenginerepair2615]

Is there any grease on the shaft, or is it dry? It is possible it could be seized on there. If that is the case I would spray some penetrating spray (PB Blaster or similar) all on the shaft and in the crevices of the gear and let it soak for 12-14 hrs. Take some pliers and work it back and forth and it should break free. If there is still grease on it, it is likely just getting hung up on something.

[@TheChube25]

I have a Toro super recycler with the same problem, but the bushings are worn as well. Can the bushings be replaced?

[@kbssmallenginerepair2615]

Yes they can. Put the model number into ereplacementparts.com and pull up the parts diagram. Then figure out exactly which parts you need to replace. You will have to get each piece individually but much cheaper than buying a new machine! 😀

[@TheChube25]

@@kbssmallenginerepair2615 Thanks 😊

[@utubemedward1]

I would put wheel bearing grease on the gears.

[@kbssmallenginerepair2615]

Good tip, something I typically do as well. Thanks for sharing!

[@1jantheman1]

I would put a little spray lube in the spring area under the key as well.

[@Dziaba]

any body shows how to replace chuck ?

[@francislang5075]

have you any videos on a craftman front wheel drive?

[@kbssmallenginerepair2615]

Not at the moment, what are you looking for?

[@francislang5075]

@@kbssmallenginerepair2615 ok thanks

[@norge696]

I picked up a 105-3036 OEM wheel for $25 shipped to my door from ebay just a few weeks ago. i guess prices dropped.

[@kbssmallenginerepair2615]

That's great. Any OEM distributor is still in the $40 price range. Ebay sounds like the place to go, even as a shop....

[@paulcastillo5235]

I have a question. Do the gears in the wheels need to be greased at all? I just noticed how rusted my gears are after removing a wheel to check something else on my Toro self propelled mower.

[@kbssmallenginerepair2615]

Great question Paul. It would never hurt to grease them, especially if you are noticing they are rusty.

[@paulcastillo5235]

@@kbssmallenginerepair2615 I have not seen too much for videos on doing this on any mower mine happens to be a Toro. Mine are not made plastic wither which is weird since I just bought this mower last year. Thanks for your reply and I may use some white lithium grease on my two rear wheels.

[@Memphian1000]

Grease will attract abrasives in that application

[@artsnow8872]

@@paulcastillo5235 I'm thinking of using lithium spray lube, myself. It shouldn't cake up like the wax based greases.

[@gregorymalchuk272]

​@@artsnow8872Which ones are wax based?

[@wm.powlesland4158]

how do i change the belt on this unit

[@kbssmallenginerepair2615]

I will make a video on it shortly. You need to flip the unit on its side, carburetor up. Then remove the rear baffle/guard.

[@Lovinflyindrones2022]

How much did u charge for wheel from the boneyard??

[@kbssmallenginerepair2615]

For parts in good shape, I typically charge 50% of retail.

[@walterrussell7584]

What made it Where out like that

[@kbssmallenginerepair2615]

Could be a lot of different factors. I typically see one side wear out like this when the wheel gets slightly bent so the gears are just barely catching and grinding at a weird angle.

[@davidanderson3944]

wheels are 18.97 at Home Depot. The tricky part to this is the spring and the key.

[@kbssmallenginerepair2615]

Yeah, don't lose that spring and make sure to put the key back in for sure.

[@artsnow8872]

@@kbssmallenginerepair2615 Yes, no missing parts, otherwise, you"ll just have a push mover.

[@ebglock]

Try removing clip at the rear not the side.

[@baconsledge]

The small gear is not worn, it is beveled. The gear isn’t being engaged enough.

[@kbssmallenginerepair2615]

I guess you could call it a bevel, but that would be caused by wear. It does not come from the factory like that.

[@wrenfan]

Actually, the small gear can wear. You are correct in that the gears are not meshing properly. It is only engaging on the outer edge of both.

[@RTB4MO]

The sequence was ok, but the execution was poor. cleaning up old pieces and prepping the parts for with anti-seize compunds or lubrication are certainly lacking to promote any longevity in the repair.