How To FIX Kickdrum Double Triggering Issues

[@zero28ism]

What? You've never heard of so and so?!?! (I had to pause 5 times to catch that)

[@65Drums]

+Spoodermen Produktionz lol

[@theEdgeCrusher12]

Me too!

[@InHouseMaterial]

Don't you worry about so n so, let me worry about blank

[@paulsaifeeahsan7240]

I was struggling with the double-triggering problem and didn't expect to find a solution. I'm grateful and amazed that it has been resolved. Thank you very much!

[@adweet6691]

You have helped more in the last few days than all the manuals in existence combined

[@Ordacleaphobia]

Dude you are bar none the best channel on this topic. The amount of content you manage to produce is staggering, especially with the level of quality and information coming out. Just sayin'.

[@65Drums]

+Ordacleaphobia Wow thanks dude! I put a lot of time into this stuff, glad you enjoy it :)

[@MacYYur4me]

I completely agree. But Justin, where do you find time to play?

[@pfatuova]

I have had ghost notes haunting me for the last 20 years on my electric Roland Kick. THe bouncing has been driving me crazy. I have tried taping buffers in between the beater and the head but nothing worked. Your instructions were PERFECT. It took me about a 1/2 hour to dial it in but now its better than ever! T hank you so much for posting this!

[@count3rcultured]

You have such a clear delivery for all of your tips, and there's no fluff in any of these videos. Love your videos, they're a great influence for my drumming and channel!

[@tickdog3]

Your channel is awesome!!! I can’t tell you how many times you have helped me over the years. Keep up the good work.

[@chazsmith173]

Instant thumbs up when I saw the triggered banner haha keep up the good videos Justin

[@65Drums]

+Chaz Smith lol :) had to put that in tgere

[@Werner-bq9hs]

thanks for the final tip " a pillow behind the mesh drum" I tried all adjustment before but it didnt work) then I put a quite big pillow in my 18" bass drum" 75% was filled touching and damping the trigger mesh head (double layer)... well the difference is amacing, so yes even with a mesh head , the mesh head need to be damped! that really works !

[@judyaron]

Thank you SO much! I just spent hours searching the internet for a solution to the double triggers - adjusting threshold and sensitivity over and over again to no result. Mask time solved the problem!

[@65Drums]

Sweet glad you got the problem fixed!

[@ShaneTregurtha]

Nice! ...The bit about the acoustic kit skin having more flex gave me a clue.... I checked the tension on my mesh head and boom! it was sloppy as. Tightened up the mesh and double-trigger gone! Chers Bro!

[@Tom-sd2vi]

Hey Justin, nice video, since this is a problem i have been messing around with for quite some time i would like to add my findings: If you have a kickdrum with a mesh head it might also help to increase the tension of the mesh head way beyond level you would normally tension it on a acoustick kick, it does not affect the sound anyway. A softer beater like the one from drumtec also helps avoiding dual triggers (an decreases noise which is always nice). Finally adding a drum-tec Protection Dot on my mesh head where the beaters hit it also helped quite a bit.

[@65Drums]

+Tom van Wijk True about the tension especially. I forgot to talk about that

[@RcKDrUmm3R]

Tension does not help when you bury the beater. A tighter head means more bounce then when the head is loose and has more give to it. The beater won’t bounce back as much when it is loose

[@neevesybikes]

Just got a spangly new Jobeky kit that’s fantastic…but the double triggering has spoilt it. Your tips are spot on (adjusting threshold did the trick) and now I can really enjoy it to the full. 👍

[@azwildcats69]

Thought I had a pedal adjustment problem. Now I realize it's actually the electronic drum kit itself. Watched like 10 pedal adjustment videos before finding this thanks.

[@MikeLuke]

Great video, Justin. This is a real issue and it took me some time to fix it back in the days. This will help a lot of people.

[@65Drums]

+Mike Luke Thanks Mike! :)

[@jackiedivine]

Thx Justin. Great video. I wish it would have existed when I was start playing e-Drums. Really useful for beginners. I have a 20" bassdrum with a center mounted diy trigger using parts from R-Drums and it works like a charm. My TD30 settings are: Sensitivity=18, threshold=10, curve=log1, retrigger cancel=6, mask time=10

[@65Drums]

+Jackie Saint Nice setup!

[@metalmarkvideo]

first time using mesh heads with triggers in my apartment for sound reasons !!! thanks for the tip with the pillow in the bass drum to stop double triggering!!! almost threw my bass drum out the window from the 4th story of the apartment building lol!!!

[@u0068327]

Awesome info - thank you SO MUCH!!!! I’m a new convert to eclectic drums and this issue was driving me NUTS!!!! The threshold adjustment worked like a charm!! Of course none id this was in my “instructions”. I’m learning more on You Tube to deal with all these issues. Thank Again 🙏🏾

[@joegonzalez4039]

Thank you for the great video, concise and useful! Packed with info! BTW, for all you Alesis Strike players out there "mask" is identified as "retrigger" in your trigger settings. Thanks again for the great video!

[@sirmustache1790]

THANK YOU SO MUCH! This was bugging me so much and nothing worked to fix this until I found this video and it's fixed!

[@alrightthen]

Great video dude, fixing the threshold seemed to really help!

[@chelseygowins9505]

Thank you SO MUCH for making this video. The retriggering was making me coockoo for Cocoa Puffs!

[@NicoDelCorno]

Thank you a lot!!!! You helped me solving that problem that was driving me nuts. Greetings from Argentina!

[@benjahnz]

Thanks dude. This fixed my double triggering on my td11kv using Steve Slate drums.

[@65Drums]

Great! :)

[@Percsandperks]

Thank you for this! I was losing my mind for a week straight! The retrigger cancel helped solve my issue.

[@charliesdrumshed9328]

Hey Justin So true on so many levels sometimes people run out of patience good info

[@65Drums]

+Charlie's Drum Shed thanks for watching :)

[@live.drive.mod.7290]

Is there an update to this video anywhere? Just curious as to whether there might be to address current modules… Very handy information regardless. Thanks!

[@65Drums]

I haven't made a new video, but the settings are still the same. Drum module trigger settings haven't evolved too much since the late 90s.

[@Maailma99]

Awesome video. I could fix my double triggering issues and still playing double bass with my TD-27. Thank you!

[@visiontranscend60]

Im new to drums. This is so cool!! Im surprised there isn't more hype about electronic drum technology and using electronic drums I general!

[@samratroy4189]

Hi Justin, Again I can't begin to tell you how impressed I get, every time I watch your videos. I am new to E-drums and your channel has been my go-to channel for all things e-drum related (see what I did there ;-) That said, I need some guidance, I do have a custom Diamond e-kit with a 22inch bass drum and I use a double pedal. I did adjust the trigger position a little to the side of the bass drum and it gives me amazing results for the main right foot pedal, however, my left foot sound is almost dead. I tried tightening the mesh heads, which I thought could help but I am still struggling to get a balanced output/sound or even close to what my main right foot pedal sounds like. Do you have some tips/tricks that I can apply to fix this issue? I am using the Pearl Mimic Pro and although I am absolutely new to the module, I have a feeling it definitely has some settings that can help me with get a better trigger output. Any suggestion/guidance will be highly appreciated. Thanks' Sam..

[@eliyahuklapman6140]

You really saved me...😂 setting up for the first time my Roland VAD307

[@ANTIPLANETRECORDS]

dude thank you/been searching this all day

[@k.thompson8549]

Excellent food for thought having just had my Roland TD17 for a few days. I have a couple of other queries if you wouldn't mind? I have correctly formatted an SDHC card with compliant samples but when I try to 'assign' them they suffer from latency and yet when I 'preview' the samples they are fine. I'm also getting random loud distorted hits from my KD85, even after using your solution for the double triggering, thanks.

[@alexjoz]

thanx, moving a bit lower from the sensor did the job for me.

[@DrewShreveDrums]

I have a Roland TD-50X that I’m using to control Superior Drummer. The Threshold, Mask Time and Retrigger Cancel settings don’t seem to apply to the midi notes being sent into Ableton…only the local control. Is this normal? Is there another setting in the drum brain for double triggering of MIDI notes in Ableton or is that something I have to fix inside the DAW?

[@TheCoquifrog]

thank you so much for these vids. Ive had major e drum probs and ur vids really helped me

[@ct415]

This helped a lot. Thank you!

[@wilddhaemers]

Great video well explained.

[@turtleselvas9837]

Thanks for the tip! I'll give it a try! .. I just purchased the somewhat EXCLUSIVE Simmons Titan50.. I've got my external studio monitors go in L mono and a sub as well & extra speaker behind me but for some reason I cannot get the bass drum to sound as loud as the Tom snare and crash and I hope this advice will help that you gave me about the threshold unfortunately it doesn't have the mask feature only threshold so I will work with that thank you for your insights... God bless 🙏

[@elisabethmasset1137]

hello. Very interesting... but I've this problem with an Alesis Turbo mesh kit and I'm not sure I can change any setting... Can you help me ?

[@rastix]

Good job man, always useful

[@thiago.tfranco]

Hi, I am having problem when hitting to peaces together. One of them is getting late. Por exemple, when hitting snare and kick at the same time on my roland td-9, the sound of snare arive before kick in addictive drums 2. But when playing then separeted and even fast, I don’t have this problem. Do you know how to fix it? Thank you and congrats for your excellent channel. Thiago Franco

[@clintons237]

Yeah I’m having this problem with my roland td1dmk, the settings you mention aren’t available with this module

[@erick2718]

I just bought a TD25kv and was wondering about this. Thanks, man~!

[@65Drums]

sweet!

[@xoulis1]

What about the double triggering issues using a roland kick trigger with the alesis samplepad pro? How can it be solved? Thank you.

[@jfoquendo]

Help I have an Alesis Nitro and have to replace the kick for basic double kick the kick pad is far too small to use two beaters can you suggest a kick pad that would have a bigger sensor and size to hit ?

[@lionsuar77]

I converted my Ludwig beats drum set into a triggered electric set. My problem is that I broke the bass head on my first try playing it, and then I switched over to a 16” double ply head from a Roland. I haven’t broken it yet, but I’m wondering if I should put some type of padding where the beater hits. Maybe like a mouse pad? Do you have any suggestions? Not even sure what I would use to stick a pad on my head - glue? Double sided tape? Love your videos!

[@gordonruthpanther1259]

Thanks. I'm having double triggering on my High Hat (Roland TDK19VK...X or something) when closed. I'm still pretty new (2 years) and not too technical. I'm worried it might be the big plastic lump under the HH that detects the HH being closed, is broken. It suddenly started happening 2 days ago from 'nothing'. Checked the plugs and gave them a rub. Also moved the wires around a bit. I'll have a go with some of these trigger settings tomorrow, to see if I can turn it down with settings - even if it turns out there's something KO with the hardware (it's only a year old but it does get heavy use every single day but... it is a Roland - I shouldn't be able to break anything, right!?) that might get me through for a few days. Thanks! # :)

[@veltri8134]

Hey Ik This is random but you should make a video on Tips For Beginner Drummers I Just bought a td11k yesterday :)

[@65Drums]

+VeltriDrummer I'll keep that video idea in mind

[@65Drums]

+VeltriDrummer and congrats!

[@IIllytch321nonadinfinitum]

I had this issue on my Alesis Strike Pro as I was used to burying the beater any of the rare instances I've played an acoustic set. Just upping the threshold slightly (as you described) until it was no longer an issue did it for me. Before I figured that out though, I set my bass pedal beaters back a bit farther and cranked the spring tension to maximum in order to get the beater to pull away from the head as much as possible and simply tried to no longer bury the beater. So now I don't bury the beater as much, but I still kept the threshold settings just in case I do here or there. Peace.

[@65Drums]

nice tips :) !

[@gtrmarv333]

Thank YOU !!! I was about ready to replace my KT 10 . 🤘😎🤘

[@TheOuterDrive]

My drum module won't let me do fast double bass.. it cuts out random hits when doing fast double bass stuff.

[@colbyrodriguez1537]

Turn up your head sensitivity

[@colbyrodriguez1537]

I have my sens between 22-27

[@RachaelAndries]

Thank you for this! It worked!

[@vincentfallacaro9205]

Wow just seen this had double triggering did those settings you said worked great thank.

[@saulhudson302]

Hi , I recently found an electronic kit out the front of a house that was throwing them away so I took them, it has cymbals with leads to plug in plus there is a snare drum pad about 12' . My question was can the triggers in them be taken out and customised to work with the EAD10 ? Let's say I took the triggers out of the cymbals say , is that even possible ? I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. How about the snare pad , that should have trigger inside of it. I want to see if I can put them on my kit via EAD10 ? ✌ Rock On

[@wongsakornwattanavekin7328]

very concise and helful!! Thanks!

[@rob_in_stowmarket_uk]

Great video, Justin. Excellent stuff .. again(!).. for a guitarist turned novice e-drummer like me. Question .. Should shifting the beater off-centre (US -center!) on a bass drum pad similar to the one on your left achieve a similar result? I don't want to damage the kick pad, but I've tried a variety of methods, including shaft weights to reduce multi-triggering, but neither these, nor the relatively limited menu provision (no 'Mask Time' on the Alesis Crimson) seem to help. Grateful for your advice, cheers.

[@65Drums]

+Rob B S I don't think that would :( but is there a threshold setting? In the module?

[@rob_in_stowmarket_uk]

65 Drums 65 Drums Yes, 'Threshold', 'Sensitivity' and 'Retrig Cancel', but careful adjustment of these parameters seems to have limited, if any effect. I must admit that it's probably due as much to poor technique as any shortcoming in the kit, but annoying nonetheless.

[@ZaxDrumsandMore]

Does this work for other pads? I have a problem with one of my cymbals? I think I might have to set the threshold higher?

[@PaulKimmerlingkolllbin]

I set the threshold high. Thank you!

[@chuckkelly5055]

Love the corner blooper ;). You were NOT wrong though to recommend NOT putting it in a corner of a round head. :)))

[@ritzk79]

hey Justin could you consider making a Roland TD11 overview video? Keep up the good work

[@65Drums]

+Fritz Frigursson079 I'll keep the video idea in mind :)

[@MuginsonTV]

I have a donner ded-400 and the kick stand itself makes so much noise when I hit it, like a metallic ring when I use my kick. Any way to fix this (I already have a roland noise eater)

[@majr25_13]

A life saving video (lol)... so much to learn... thanks!!!

[@thedonzo]

What about a mesh head kick drum from an alesis strike pro SE? I just bought it yesterday and I've noticed miss triggering. Like it will random not trigger if I'm playing fast or double hits? I dont know what to do

[@maeu59]

I’m using an RTK 30 K external trigger but I’m getting very low volume out of it compared to the rest of the kit. I’ve tried everything using the volume sliders, kit volume, but everything else is loud except the kick.

[@demigodindia5764]

Can you adjust these settings from your DAW aswell?

[@EyalVakrat]

super helpful. saved me. Thank You!!!!!!

[@keithsampson8324]

I have a yamaha dtx522 k and my bass drum trigger has been double triggering, but in the trigger settings I only have RejTime, WaitTime, NoiseFilter, Crosstalk and then it goes to some other settings which shows Sn, Tm1, Tm2, etc and then a box next to it.

[@bitflux2]

thank you for the tips

[@anomen86]

Thanks! Super helpful!

[@afraniosimoes3653]

I'm using trigger from Alesis sample pad pro (powerply mesh head on bass drum)... Any idea how to fix this problem?

[@AtomMusicSchool]

Really useful video. I was taught to play the bass drum wrong, so I definitely bury the bass drum, and 15years later discover this. Thanks!

[@jbhildy101]

I tried tightening the mesh head on the kick drum to see how it would effect the playability and it gave me hardcore double triggers, it took me too long to realize that I needed to loosen it again

[@dreadmaps]

I've had success with moving the trigger and trying to adjust my technique cus burying is... wrong. been doing it for years. hard to change but making good progress

[@65Drums]

+Eric W It's hard

[@codersexpo1580]

I think the TD-27 only has threshold. No mask and no cancel retrig. :-(

[@thebatdad76]

Have you any videos I may have missed on e hi hats?

[@motomarmot6544]

Thanks bro much appreciated

[@t-lick]

Thank you for this!

[@natschaap3051]

My kick drum occasionally goes off when hitting one of my toms. Do you know of any fixes for this?

[@Payne01SS]

I'm having opposite problem with my Sd1200. Two fast hits and it doesn't pick up the second hit often. Can't figure it out.

[@65Drums]

Lower the re-trigger cancel, or mask time setting for that pad.

[@djdjdkdjdjdn9425]

Any help for the fame DD 305?

[@michaelloft5179]

love your videos,just wondering with vst, you said that you can send the signal back down the midi cable to the module, what do you need to look for to see if your brain module can do it, I have a Alesis crimson

[@65Drums]

+Michael Loft it's not possible with all modules. I'm not sure it will work with the crimson.

[@reezlaw]

I don't understand the difference between mask and retrigger cancel

[@soeiruh]

Sometimes when I recorded drums as midi into Reaper, I notice those very low volume hits being registered straight after the main hit. This could be the solution to remove that double triggering:) Thanks Justin! Btw do you know how to fix the triggering of a cymbal when you hit the drum kick? I think the vibrations climb through the rack and trigger it.

[@65Drums]

+Filipe Soeiro the cross talk trigger setting can fix that.

[@nscrider]

Yes thx for your video!! Can i change the mask time by a roland td17 drummodul? Cheers from Austria Jakob!

[@65Drums]

Yes you can :)

[@SoCalDan530]

I know this kinda off topic, but what would be the problem with just putting regular acoustic heads on edrums. Seems they would help protect the internals (especially in the Alesis Strike drums) better than mesh

[@65Drums]

Triggering real acoustic heads is a nightmare. I've tried it, and there is a ton of false triggering

[@SoCalDan530]

65 Drums thank you, I wont be doing that then. I’ll try raising the tension. It all just seems the drums heads are smushy out of the box.

[@johndef5075]

The noise also. Much louder than mesh.

[@Sianpii96]

Why is there double triggering on my toms and snare?

[@JoolsGuitar]

I've been working with an e-drum like since 4 years ago and you're still saving me from trouble to this day. I've been having trouble with the double triggering with my alesis dm10. It has the threshold parameter and then a velocity curve parameter. Please help, I'm actually the guitar player of the band lol

[@JoolsGuitar]

Never mind. I found a 'retrigger' parameter that was in 0. I turned it up to 50 and the problem seems to be solved. Awesome video, thx a lot

[@gothicvillasgaming]

Where i can find these settings? Got my kd 10 attached to full roland set to my pc. And fornlove of god i cant find where to find this threshold or kick mask. Please advise.

[@gothicvillasgaming]

Found it!!

[@sneakyanimation]

Thanks so Much, Dude!

[@BallotBoxBoogeyMan]

thanks man I was having a lot of double triggering issues, do I need to adjust every kit? TD25K

[@65Drums]

+Adrian Stutzman nope, the trigger settings affect ALL the kits

[@markanderson8921]

Thank you!

[@tyken144]

Hey justin are u gonna do a in depth review of your new kat kit

[@65Drums]

+legitMASKA of course

[@65Drums]

+legitMASKA :)

[@Netunation]

My e-drum kit sometimes when I hit kick and something else at the same time, the kick makes no sound, but if I use it by itself it never fails

[@RcKDrUmm3R]

Adjust your crosstalk setting. It’s used to stop another pad going off when you hit a different pad

[@Netunation]

@@RcKDrUmm3R thanks a lot! I messing around with crosstalk and it helped! Much appreciated

[@HereIsmarcus]

Thanks Justin. Question . How would you rate the difference between a converted acoustic snare (with trigger under the head) and a roland pdx100 pad ?

[@65Drums]

+Marcus Spain it depends on the trigger. Cheaper ones aren't as good. High end trigger are just as good

[@HereIsmarcus]

Can you recommend a high end one ?

[@thephysicslab]

TD-27 doesn't seem to have Mask time or Retrigger??? My Edrumin was so much better on the same bass drum. Any tips Justin? :)

[@65Drums]

yeah Mask Time and Retrigger Cancel is in the TD27. When you don't see it in a roland module, that's usually because there's an extra tab you have to click on for the more advanced settings. The manual explains it all

[@metalvisionsongcontest7055]

@@65DrumsThe Efnote 3X doesn’t have mask time or retrigger cancel, as far as I can tell - and messing with the threshold or sensitivity only makes the drum harder to play, but doesn’t actually prevent the double triggering. 😢 Even with the threshold at maximum, the double triggers still happen.

[@bearded-clam]

Not whether this is the right place to ask this, so sorry for the following. I'm about to buy a alesis crimson 2. With a double bass pedal on a digital kit, how are you guys overcoming the open and closed hihat while playing double bass?

[@RcKDrUmm3R]

Johno p hey man Tama makes a lock clutch pedal. Would solve the problem!

[@ericswanson3150]

Hey Justin, I just wanted to know if you think its weird that I set up my drum kit to where the snare is a bit to the left but I move the hi hat to the right so I don't play beats with my arms crossing. I just wanted to know if you think that's weird.

[@65Drums]

+ejswanson25 I don't place it like that, but set it up however you want :)

[@richzdrummer]

Hey Justin..i tried your methods and it doesn't really help..unfortunately on the alesis crimson kit you don't have mask time so threshold and retrigger cancel ain't enough..what can i do? Also I'm having problems with the hi hat as well cause it's a stand

[@RcKDrUmm3R]

Richard Zwaigoft did u solve your issue? Maybe lower the sensitivity too?

[@matmcr5786]

Awsome man

[@65Drums]

+Ducatimatty Thanks! :)