How To Fix Rattle 2008, 2009,2010, 2011, 2012 Honda Accord VTC/VVT actuator. p2646 also

[@ScooterBlia2]

Just recently been looking into this issue for my dad's 09 CRV. It's crazy cause his car has nearly 200k and only started making this sound about 10k ago. Thank you for making this video. Will tackle this for him.

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Your Very welcome, if the VTC solenoid doesn't fix it it's the actuator inside the engine more than likely or the timing chain so just be aware it's not a guaranteed fix but it's worked for me multiple times

[@robertm.1098]

Scotty B did it work for you ? Was it the solenoid?

[@BUCKTHEWORD14]

Hey Keto Home, I asked you questions not too long ago. I bought the part, my car was due for an oil change, told my mechanic to swap this part as well. The problem seems to be fixed. Thanks so much for this video. More power to you and I wish you good luck and success.

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Man that's awesome, thanks for responding I'm really glad it worked out for you and if you have anymore questions feel free to ask

[@TREEZY47]

T T I did and oil change and it did not fix the issue for me

[@fullcend-tkm73]

The oil change is not what fixed it the part is what fixed it this guy doesn't know what he's talking about so it's the solenoid or the actual actuator itself every time

[@gfriedman99]

Dude, I been researching this problem for months and for some reason YT never put this video in my feed until now. This is the holy grail video explaining the problem for real. I been pulling my hair out cause I changed the actuator and the chain tensioner and it made no difference. The solenoid has to be the answer. Thanks a million. You the man. Hey, I just realized your Rich from FordBossMe. I follow you on that channel. MAGA my man.

[@094340]

@@gfriedman99 🤣🤣🤣

[@Kevin-mn4hd]

Am I missing something or ALL honda bolts metric? Swapping engines multiple times I've only found metric bolts.....

[@RogueNation.]

Nice job Honda! Thanks for the defect

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Quite a few manufacturers are having this issue actually

[@Chris-ob8ok]

@T T a heavier weight oil helps cut down the amount of time it rattles but does not eliminate the issue.

[@NO-END]

Thanks for video 2012 honda accord change vvt solenoid did not work pre-screen was clean. Ended up taking to honda dealer 1150 dollars to change actuator and the rattle is gone. Worth a shot good video thanks. The solenoid i use was a Dorman

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Exactly this solenoid is not going to fix it everytime and I'm glad you were able to get it fixed

[@juanadorno1948]

Awesome video!! I have a 2010 accord sedan and the vvt is leaking and it's the same as the one you took out a R44 so I'm buying a new one and replace it. Thank you so much for this helpful video

[@daniel022209]

Great video and very interesting description you wrote in the caption. But if you allow me to correct you on something, the part you replaced is called the VTEC solenoid/spool valve. The VTC actuator is the camshaft gear that can be found when removing the head gasket.

[@fullcend-tkm73]

If you would have kept reading through the comments you would have already seen I already corrected myself

[@fullcend-tkm73]

I've already explained all that so you got to realize when you have this many views it's probably already been addressed so you're only adding more fuel to a fire that's been put out for a long time

[@fullcend-tkm73]

When people make these videos they make mistakes sometimes but if you do a little research you'll see that a lot of times they actually fix what their mistake was

[@fullcend-tkm73]

I actually do this as a profession I work at a dealership rebuilding engines Transmissions timing chain cam phasers heavy into electronics work and reprogramming especially on the new 2020 Vehicles which are nightmare I just made a mistake I actually have a whole entire completely different Channel that's nothing but Automotive

[@daniel022209]

@@fullcend-tkm73 point taken sir. No malice intended man.

[@reclaimer1178]

Any updates from people who just replaced the solenoid vs actuator? Heard replacing the solenoid is more of a bandaid vs actual fix. Curious to find out any info on this because I can tackle replacing the solenoid, but the acuator isn't something I want to try as it's more in depth than I have time for.

[@gfriedman99]

I replaced the actuator and it still not fixed. Did you replace the solenoid?

[@Daniel-xq7ny]

Hi. another question... Some open the front of their VTC actuator, (cam phaser) and stretch the lock pin spring in it and the grinding is gone... I need to understand how all this really works. Thanks

[@gfriedman99]

That doesn't always work. Plus the spring will go back to its original length very quickly

[@jackbrightside]

so what happened to the original solenoid that makes it rattle? as other are commenting they replaced the solenoid but the sound returns? I cant imagine that is a factory setting, as how could they sell accords if they sounded like absolute garbage on start up? Considering buying from rock auto not nappa, im wondering why a new solenoid will still result in the sound returning. Rock auto is about 35 bones vs the napas 70, do you think the fact the nappa is shorter is what made the difference in the sound not returning? Im willing to spend the extra cash if the sound never returns lol

[@gfriedman99]

Please did you have any luck replacing the solenoid?? I already changed the actuator and it still rattles. It's driving me insane.

[@eliezerreyes8806]

It’s the vtec actuator the problem timing chain is loose if you here the rattling needs spring expanded inside simple way to fix it what happens is spring decreases inside the camchsft take four bolts out with Torx bit take plastic peice out stretch spring out then reinstall four bolts back on camshaft I need to do the same thing main problems on actuator is the spring inside

[@kimricker425]

my 2008 accord has the same issue. However Honda service bulletin 09-010 references the VVT/VTC actuator sprocket as the cause to the start up issue/noise. This sprocket is located on the intake cam, VVT sprocket. To me the VVT Solenoid/actuator is the fix. However, the Honda SB seems to say otherwise. thoughts?

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Kim Ricker I called up the service manager for the Naperville Illinois location at Honda and he also told me the same thing change the VVT VTC actuator that's partially what led me into this fix and because there's no check engine light. I also did this on another customer's vehicle and it worked as well.... the sprocket is not the issue most of the time at that point you would also have more drivability issues than just the chattering on Startup.

[@EverydayJ1786]

@T T my 2013 CRV with the 2.4 has had 0w20 full synthetic oil its entire life still has the start up rattle . So who ever told you that changing to synthetic oil will solve the issue is incorrect

[@EverydayJ1786]

@T T , I have always changed the engine oil myself . I do not trust the dealerships . Only top quality Amsoil 0w20 I use

[@EverydayJ1786]

@T T amsoil and royal purple are not specifically for racing . They do produce a line of oil for racing but their main idea is extended drain intervals and the best protection for modern vehicles . And you completely lost me when you said 2.5w20. 😣. Mobil 1 was industry leading 20 years ago . it's not bad a oil by any means but certainly nothing special . It's a hydrocracked group 3 base stock . While amsoil uses far superior base stocks . Besides my point on all this conversations is that oil won't make a difference in the Honda 2.4 problems .sounds more like a placebo effect to me .I've got technical education and years of experience in the automotive industry behind my opinion . I'm not just another KZbin armchair mechanic

[@EverydayJ1786]

@T T what I'm saying is at the end of the day these Honda 2.4 engines have always been know for issues with timing chains and the valvetrain since 2003. They just have a bad design and Honda never did improve the design over the years . Regardless of oils that are being used in the engine it's inevitable that these engines have noise and problems .

[@horsingnaturally2244]

The solenoid is not the problem. The VTC (timing gear sprocket) is the problem. The internal lock-pin will break, which causes the gear to retard itself during engine shut-down. And when you start up the engine after a certain amount of time (due to oil pressure loss), the timing chain is initially loose and rattles against the tensioner until oil pressure forces the timing gear to advance back to the top-dead-center position. The solenoid is not the cause of the failure; it's the internal locking mechanism of the variable timing gear (VTC) that needs to be replaced. The average mechanic could do it in about 4 to 10 hours, depending on experience.

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Wrong It can be either #1 cause for this failure is lack of maintenance and slugging of oil starving the mechanism causing it to fail.... Even our Honda Dealer 90% of the time do the solenoid first and SOMETIMES have to go further

[@horsingnaturally2244]

@@fullcend-tkm73 Not at the Honda dealership I had mine serviced at. My solenoid was changed and the problem only resolved for about 8 months and the noise returned. I could see how not changing the oil might cause the problem, but very unlikely. The standard repair is the upgraded VTC 25 degree cam gear with a newly designed lock mechanism. I have seen brand new CR-V's with the problem. So that pretty much nullifies the oil sludge theory. Besides, 0-20 synthetic oil does not sludge.

[@fullcend-tkm73]

@@horsingnaturally2244 what you said in your first paragraph of your response is primarily exactly what I said you're just repeating the same thing over again You change the solenoid because it is the least evasive and most cost effective approach and you change the oil and you see if you can continue without doing anything further to the phasers, chains, anything This is the first step and best step my mother's car is still doing perfectly fine right along with my father's car and all it was was solenoids.... I appreciate you messaging and bringing forth conversation but I do this professionally I don't want to have to go back and forth with somebody else that does not do this professionally ( there is a whole comment section here where you can clearly see that's what's been going on, most before have responded with great success....others stop by to just run their YAP and talk about what they would have done or what is and what isnt but are full of shit ) and be told what it is and what it isnt and I'm not really trying to be an a****** I'm just telling you the facts and being very forward... the solenoid is the first step if it goes away and it stays away then great that is the best cost-effective way and 90% of the time it does not come back I dont have the time to go back and forth with you or anyone else so please save that for another channel.....I could give a shit less about the new updated phasers and what ever else comes along with it This here in this video works....yesssss if it's to far gone you'll need more work but this is the BEST place to start and if people get a few years more out of it then GREAT I respect what you have to say but unfortunately you've already rubbed me the wrong way and I dont care to converse any further I'm a dealer tech trying to justify myself to someone who ISNT paying me to do my job!!!! Doesnt make sense - if you dont agree scroll by the video and continue mission and move on.... Have a great night

[@horsingnaturally2244]

@@fullcend-tkm73 My apologies. I did not mean to debate you. I too am a mechanic..both aircraft, small engines, and automotive for about 35 years. The only difference between you and I is I am retired and not doing this for a living. LoL The solenoid change is a bandaid to a more serious problem, in my opinion. The locking pin on the tim9ng gear is likely damaged. Changing to a new solenoid is a temp fix by holding oil pressure to keep the timing gear in place. The lockpin is designed to do this without oil pressure. This is why many that change the solenoid end up having the problem again. But upgrading the timing gear (VTC) solves it completely.

[@8-bitninja122]

@@horsingnaturally2244 I've read plenty of comments online about people upgrading to the new vtc actuator only to have the rattle return. Honda even admits that they don't yet have a fix for it and some dealerships will tell you that the new actuator won't fix the issue. This is a mess.

[@nvirmusian5318]

Hello sir my 2008 honda accord has some noise coming from engine side at cold start i was accelerating it comes and sound back again like dirrr dirr sound and when i make turns sometimes noise and goes again help?

[@8-bitninja122]

What do we do if the solenoid or the updated actuator doesn't fix the issue? Some replace the solenoid only to have the rattle return. Some replace the updated actuator to have the rattle return. Even Honda admits that they don't yet have a fix.

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Unfortunately you got to do it again Even at Ford we have the same problem, im a Master Tech at a dealership and we could update the timing chain and phaser/ actuator and then 15,000 miles the vehicle come back in the same problem. After the solenoid and timing chain phasers are updated it should be quite a while before they malfunction again and if they malfunction immediately then the dealer needs to redo the repairs that they've already done under service part warranty

[@8-bitninja122]

@@fullcend-tkm73 That doesn't sound like a fix. It sounds like a design flaw that there's no real solution for. What are your thoughts on the many who continue to drive with the rattle for 100,000 miles with no damage to engine. Honda is saying that this is only a noise issue and no engine damage should occur. Do you think they're lying? Also, how would I fix this on a 2015 honda fit?

[@8-bitninja122]

@@fullcend-tkm73 Also, I read about this guy who hooked up a rocker switch to the fuel pump fuse. He would disengage the fuel pump with the switch then crank the motor for 4 seconds. Flip the fuse back on and start. He does this to build oil pressure and claims this works every time. Won't the engine still start up with the fuel that's in the injectors?

[@fullcend-tkm73]

More than likely the rattles not really going to cause that much of a concern on Startup especially if it's real small Some people do a couple key Cycles turn it on but don't start it wait 15 seconds turn it back off turn it on wait 15 seconds and then start and some people say that works as well

[@8-bitninja122]

I tried the key workaround without much success.

[@twizz5727]

Awesome video Thank you

[@asilahdaud3825]

Hi..my k20a engine got rattle sound at low rpm..i had change vtc pulley then the rattle sound gone.but after 2 weeks rattle sound comeback..any idea for that

[@Yuuiiytrfbh]

I did the whole job but I didn't remove anything except for the actuator. How come you removed all that extra stuff?

[@fullcend-tkm73]

I can't get my hands down in there most people can't so you must have some really small hands

[@Yuuiiytrfbh]

@@fullcend-tkm73 phewwww!! Well thanks so much for uploading your video, it inspired me to try!!!

[@fullcend-tkm73]

@@Yuuiiytrfbh as long as it works that's all that matters but if the solenoid doesn't work you have to do the actuator/ phaser itself

[@ladamadenadie1658]

Well... now I'm confused. What I've been researching as a VVT Actuator goes in the camshaft and is round metal with teeth and many others say that's what makes the rattling noise on engine start. And I recently found what they call a VVT Actuator Solenoid, which looks like what you're now changing. So now I'm unsure, which part to change first? To see if the rattling stops.

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Vvt actuator is the phaser on the end of the camshaft The VVt solenoid is what I changed here, sometimes they plug up and don't supply oil properly to the phaser and the phaser rattles on start up I changed this and it indeed on start up increased the oil supply to the phaser and quit rattling on start up Both my mothers and fathers Hondas I spoke to the service manager at Honda and he said try this before you do the expensive repair of the belt and the phaser Alot of times all it needs is a new solenoid and then if it continues the phaser would be the next expensive repair

[@ladamadenadie1658]

@@fullcend-tkm73 thank you so much for your knowledge. I appreciate you, my exhusband asked me, why don't you try fixing ot yourself? Uhmm no thanks, I will be finding a trustworthy mechanic to do it instead.😅

[@coopersilberling6883]

Shop quoted me 900 to replace the actuator, I’m gonna try to do the solenoid first since I can do it myself, do you think that could fix the problem or would it only be the actuator? My thinking was it’s a win win to do the solenoid first since it could possibly fix it, it’s only a 20$ part and even if it doesn’t fix it , it’s not gonna hurt to have a new one in.

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Do it youd be surprised Another thing you can do is Get in the car and turn the key on but dont start it Shut it off after maybe 10 sec and then try and start it and see if the sound is still there The oil control solenoid has fixed it for alot of people....be weary of the super cheap parts though

[@fullcend-tkm73]

I would change it if I was you, you never know

[@coopersilberling6883]

The Keto Mechanic - Fueled By Fat Home for sure, I did noticed doing that key thing didn’t make the noise when I started it, it didn’t click until I saw some other comments about it, will I have to change my oil when I take the solenoid out? Cuz it will drain the oil right?

[@fullcend-tkm73]

also a good idea to do that anyway to get fresh oil in that new solenoid

[@fullcend-tkm73]

I think if you change that oil control solenoid you're going to be just fine. We shall see

[@maurecara6908]

Great video and I'm going to give it a shot. Grinding rattling I was told was a belt tensioner. After being quoted $1180 by the dealer, for entire timing belt package, I had a go and changed it y'day but noise remains. Only q I have is there any diff if its a V6, 3.5l accord 2011? thx

[@fullcend-tkm73]

I think the symptoms would be the same thing there's a difference to the process and I'm not sure how it goes on a V6 without looking it up first

[@m.g.8197]

Honda TSB Number:A09-010.V4 NHTSA Number:10087883TSB Date:March 17, 2016 Failing Component: Engine (Pws) Summary: Service bulletin - replace the vtc actuator if the engine rattles loudly for 2 seconds during cold start-up.

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Most definitely but this doesn't fix it every time, sometimes the phaser is wore out as well. Sometimes lack of maintenance has damaged function of phaser. Actuator seems to be a common problem but not always. We have a Ford dealer and Honda dealer and its typically 70% actuator but not always.

[@Ifixit23]

@@fullcend-tkm73 Thank you for the info! I plan on replacing parts soon and had a few questions(Yes i have read multiple links online). If replacing the VTC actuator doesnt always solve the issue what other route can i take? Ive read replacing the timing chain/components doesn't always fix the issue as well. I am replacing the VTC strainer assembly first and I change the oil my self often on time with the recommended oil.

[@fullcend-tkm73]

@@Ifixit23 you're right the timing timing chain assembly does not always fix it it could be the actual VTC mechanism that is attached to the side of the cam It could be as simple as changing the oil and using a good quality filter that has an anti feedback diaphragm in the end of it where the cheaper ones don't have it It would be as simple as changing the solenoid itself like I am here in the video

[@stretchtirmcirl1201]

The Keto Mechanic - Fueled By Fat Home thanks for your great post here. I am starting with the actuator replacement. Have you done/filmed a clip on replacing the phaser should i need to do it?

[@fullcend-tkm73]

I have not had to do one of them yet so I have not filmed a video on that

[@el_kirbee]

I have a Honda Civic Si 07 sedan and I’m having the code 2646. I’m not sure it’s the solenoid or the vtc actuator like explained in this video. What should I do since no mechanic wants to help me figure it out? Thank u

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Really at this point since nobody wants to help but you're going to have to change the solenoid and see if it works they're cheap enough to where if it works good but if it doesn't well you're only out a little bit of money. Cant Hurt

[@JoseMartinez-nm7ht]

Dude, good information but for God's sake film horizontally.

[@fullcend-tkm73]

If you look at my later videos I've been doing that I've learned thanks though

[@wdaycock]

So taking the belt off etc. is just to clean the screen out? You can change the main part by reaching back and replacing it?

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Some people say that they can reach down there and grab that solenoid without having to take the belt off if you want to try to shove your hand down in there and do that you can but I'd like to see what I'm doing

[@fullcend-tkm73]

In order to get to that screen you have to take the belt off so you can remove the power steering pump and that screen does need to be cleaned out so I recommend doing that

[@fullcend-tkm73]

I don't know what else to tell you because what you asked I did Cover in the video so I'm not sure how else different to answer this

[@ichiara07]

question, i have an 06 tsx with the k24 as well, it started to do the rattle on cold start, seen other videos changing the cam gear instead of the actuator, is there a reason why not change the actuator first or the actual fix is the gear? thank you

[@fullcend-tkm73]

So I've done a handful of these already and every time the solenoid has fixed it but there are situations where I've heard other people say the solenoid didn't fix it so you start with the least invasive and then you move on to the more expensive and if I could pay seventy bucks to see if something fixes it or not I would rather do that than spend a s*** ton of money on something that it was just a simple solenoid so my theory is you start with the solenoid first most of the time that does fix it

[@ichiara07]

The Keto Mechanic - Black Sheep i appreciate your comment, i will try to get it gone soon as it warms a bit, i dont want to wait too much, i dint know if i wait it gets any worst, thanks again

[@fullcend-tkm73]

@@ichiara07 remember good quality oil filter and oil as well and a good solenoid preferably OEM

[@fullcend-tkm73]

@@ichiara07 I use the Napa one because I knew Napa was the best of the aftermarket because my father wanted to sell the car to get a new one and the people that are driving the car are friends to my family and still here we are since I made the video this long no issues but it's not guaranteed it's just a good first step

[@geram1405]

It's not the solenoid, also called vvt oil control valve. it's the timing chain tentioner causing the cold start rattle. the tensioner looses pressure and the timing chain becomes loose and that's why it rattles until it gain its pressure again. If you have a slapping noise - especially on cold start-up, then the tensioner must be replaced and will fix your problem.

[@fullcend-tkm73]

This is not the case in all of the situations as you see people in the comments below said they replace the solenoid and the situation has went away. In some cases you are right but in most of these cases it's not the same sound as a slapping chain it's a rattle and that is fixed by replacing the VTC solenoid or the VVT solenoid however you want to call it

[@fullcend-tkm73]

The manufacturer themself which I have access to their information because we have a Honda dealership even States through a technical service message that's what they want you to do replace the actuator.

[@barrettabney]

Honda put out a Service Bulletin on this. Its The VTC and THEY will replace it under a recall. static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2017/SB-10108045-9340.pdf

[@baggerdave5]

@@barrettabney I think they will only do this within certain mileage limits. I have a 2011 with 130k miles and they said they wouldn't cover it.

[@ram43x80]

I think ur so right about the tensioner..its the belt!

[@brittanymcfarland3085]

This is the VVT solenoid, the VTC actuator is attached to the intake camshaft. I replaced my VTC actuator last week with the updated part and my startup rattle went away - but now am throwing a P0341 CEL and may replace this solenoid next. Car runs beautifully though, it's odd!

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Thats why i use both names. Im a master mechanic, sometimes the parts store list under the wrong name so i labeled this way purposly. Chances are it was the solenoid all along

[@dandeflip5379]

Awesome man thank you for making that simple it was the best instructional video I have watched to date. Keep it up brotha!

[@luismeza9795]

Very bueno video thanks amigo

[@jojojeep1]

How come the VTC actuator is different on a 2013 Honda CRV, I think mine is a sprocket if I’m correct bolted on the end of the intake cam

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Vvt actuator is the phaser on the end of the camshaft The VVt solenoid is what I changed here, sometimes they plug up and don't supply oil properly to the phaser and the phaser rattles on start up I changed this and it indeed on start up increased the oil supply to the phaser and quit rattling on start up Both my mothers and fathers Hondas I spoke to the service manager at Honda and he said try this before you do the expensive repair of the belt and the phaser Alot of times all it needs is a new solenoid and then if it continues the phaser would be the next expensive repair

[@jojojeep1]

Yeah I had mine done already my aftermarket insurance paid for it, 75,000 mile bumper-to-bumper platinum series insurance they never asked any questions no matter what , It cost me $150 for 24 months well worth it especially when you buy a car with 80,000 miles on it

[@mikeleasara]

Hi I had a question about this problem, I have the problem but NO CODE, and Honda has a Bulletin 09-010 that says Replace the VTC actuator which is the timing gear 14310-RSA-305. But i noticed you said to someone turn the key for 10 seconds twice and if it still makes the noise then honda is right but if not the valve in this video solves it. my question is Why would the key on solve it as theres no oil pressure till you crank ??? logically its not making sense to me . but maybe im missing something and without the code present adds to the confusion. I tried it and i didnt hear the noise but it was also very warm today any thoughts are appreciated!!!

[@fullcend-tkm73]

So you have to understand that there were multiple revision to this TSB

[@fullcend-tkm73]

There was a young guy that came out and said I'll show you my Rattle and what he did was he would start the rattle would come from the timing area He then demonstrated after letting the vehicle sit overnight cycling the key sending power to actuators that would normally need power to get oil flow into a certain area so when you start the vehicle that actuator is already in that position and if there was any sludge build-up stopping the actuator from moving, cycling it a few time would dislodge some of that sludge and allow the actuator to open up to allow oil to the phaser immediately For some people that worked and it would quiet the timing set down on Startup which would indicate theres junk in the oil control solenoid or clogging the pre screen on the front of the motor which I showed in the video What I did was I changed the solenoid up front because I called Honda and I spoke to the service manager and I told him I was a Master Tech for international and Ford I would like to do the job myself and I asked him for any pointers and he said yeah sometimes it's just the solenoid and screen you don't have to do the whole timing set because people don't maintain their oil properly and they're lazy and they let it go longer and longer and longer and then that actuator gets plugged up gummed up and the screen gets plugged up and that's what's actually causing rattle due to oil flow restriction it's not so much the timing set phaser itself So I start with the oil control solenoid it's the cheapest it's the least time-consuming and it can save somebody a lot of money if you do that up front It's a huge thing for a lot of vehicles if you look at my Automotive Channel not this channel where I've got like thousands of videos on this stuff I break it down and I actually show people why things fail the way that they do and it's not so much the manufacturers like people think it's more lack of Maintenance and people being lazy not realizing these five thousand mile oil changes are b******* and they should be done a lot sooner than that

[@mikeleasara]

@@fullcend-tkm73 Thanks for the clarification and i guess it makes sense, Im just not into parts changing even when i did it for a municipality where it was free parts so to speak. As I see these valves and design i have to agree on changing the oil more often. Ive seen police cruisers go 70k without an oil change and never a problem and those cars were beat to snot but of course those cars didnt have these type of valves. again thanks for the points!!!

[@fullcend-tkm73]

On my other channel I actually rip apart these engines and show you why they fail or they don't fail and why it's important to do maintenance a lot sooner than what the manufacturer explains... this channel is just a whatever Channel My other channel I really take near and dear to my heart I put a lot of time into it and I help people all over the world now the older cop cars could keep running and running forever the new ones it will never happen you will destroy the engines... timing components, they just don't last and most of them being fordvehicles anyway I specialize in Ford and I know they won't last The old Panther platform cars you could beat the s*** out of them and they would last forever but come the end of 2009 to 2010 all the vehicles started going to s***

[@forestpassineau]

@@fullcend-tkm73 what is your other channel? Would be fun to check out your other content.

[@phantomsurvivor6169]

Great video. I haven't looked completely looked over all your videos because it's 3 am right now, but do you have a DIY video on performing the VTC actuator replacement without removing the camshafts? You explain things better than most.

[@a1goldenspark701]

i have a 2010 accord coupe and i get a rattle on start up but only if the cars been sittin for hours and hasnt been turned on. do you think this replacement could stop the cold start rattle or do you think there could be somethin else?

[@fullcend-tkm73]

This replacement could stop a cold start rattle it's not a guarantee but it could that's what was happening with my parents car that I did this video on

[@bennyfranklin7985]

Do all cars have an O-ring like that one does on the base? I just did one in a Ford fusion 3 L, but the new one didn’t have an O-ring on it and the one I pulled out also didn’t. They both definitely had an empty space where one could go. Do you know? I was assuming that that specific solenoid is probably used in various vehicles that would require it and mine just didn’t. But now I’m wondering if that’s why it was there on the code it did which require that to be replaced LOL. Great work and thanks for the video.

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Some manufacturers used two really nice machined surfaces so you don't have to use gaskets so it could be that the surfaces are machined to not have a gasket but I would think that they would need one but if you got a brand new one with no o-ring ring it's probably how it's meant to be

[@bennyfranklin7985]

Got it! Thank you!

[@i_mehd6421]

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[@Technewlogy]

Hi sir, i have a crv 2002 with the same k24 engine. I just put a JDM engine on my car but a lot of parts they put from my older engine, cuz they say rhose parts are different and dont fit. I believe they even used the old VTC solenoid that you changed on this video. I do sometimes get a rattling sound when it starts and all if the car is revved it rattles a little and goes away. It also ticks/taps sometimes at idle which is more noticable when in stopped in R or D. The people who sold the engine say they dont warranty parts like timing chain and tensioners even though they say 90 days warranty on engine. Sounds unfair. But what do u think my problem could be?

[@fullcend-tkm73]

I think its prob chains and phasers need changed You could try a solenoid, I'd always START there first

[@Technewlogy]

@@fullcend-tkm73 oh and i would also like to point out that the old engine that the VTC solenoid came out of was actually blown. It threw a rod die to bad oil or most likely low oil(i bought the car with a blown motor) so i am thinking more rhan likely the VTC solenoid is bad or clogged up. What do you think about this? Also can the solenoid be cleaned up?

[@dianehodapp150]

I replace this ($65 cost) but it failed to solve the VTC actuator issue. It was worth a try though. Now I'm dealing with Honda Dealership who love to charge full price for replacing the actuator and then full labor rates on replacing the timing chain. I call this the old double dip. Just add one job cost to the other even though your are already in the engine and removing the timing chain from the sprocket anyway. Funny how they go from $800 to $1800. In all honesty a better spring in the actuator would solve all the issues. What do I know.

[@spring-start]

Spring-Start VTC has the better spring in kits for all Hondas and Acuras

[@thechristianlee0622]

Is it your opinion that the solenoid piece is the actual problem and that replacing the gear referred to on the TSB would be more of a band aid fix? You've said in the comments that the fix varies from car to car but I'm getting quoted 700 to fix the gear which seems crazy high, should I replace the solenoid first? noise is getting pretty loud and lasts a solid 3 seconds. No drivability issues either.

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Yes if I was you I would replace the solenoid first because it's just a 50 to $70 part and if it doesn't work at least you're not out $700

[@chefkhouzam]

The Keto Mechanic - Fueled By Fat Home the dealer in old bridge NJ quoted me 650 for the vtc.

[@fullcend-tkm73]

@@chefkhouzam did you replace the solenoid first?

[@chefkhouzam]

The Keto Mechanic - Fueled By Fat Home no, that price is for the selenoid that u have just replaced.

[@fullcend-tkm73]

@@chefkhouzam thats expensive, do it yourself lol Took me 1hr

[@reekinhavok420]

I'll be going to a mechanic for this one thats too much work

[@PatTheEngineer]

If the vtc actuator is going could possibly stall the car and if it's going out will it have a weak start?

[@fullcend-tkm73]

could actually yes, the typical symptom of the actuator going out as the rattle or if the solenoid itself is going out is the rattle

[@PatTheEngineer]

@@fullcend-tkm73 so i replaced the solenoid and cleaned the screen just how showed in the video and it still rattles on a cold and has a tuff time starting seems to run fine once i get it started but it takes a few trys

[@recipientsnotnamed]

I've heard that the current replacement actuator is no better that the original actuator. I.e., it's the same actuator that they made originally, so the replacement will also give you problems. Have they FIXED the actuators yet so that the one you replace it with will no longer have that problem?

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Even after replacing it I've heard of people putting 10 15,000 miles on their car and it going out again but there's no other option so you got to do it anyway

[@charlizealtedill6588]

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[@Ifixit23]

Thank you for the info! I plan on replacing parts soon and had a few questions(Yes i have read multiple links online). If replacing the VTC actuator doesnt always solve the issue what other route can i take? Ive read replacing the timing chain/components doesn't always fix the issue as well. I am replacing the VTC strainer assembly first and I change the oil my self often on time with the recommended oil.

[@paulywally2112]

Had mine replaced by the stealership (under warranty) and it started rattling again not long after. Next I'm going to try an aftermarket part and change it myself.

[@caseyalexander2244]

​@@fullcend-tkm73 People replace the springs inside the actuators, whether original or recently replaced, but producing the rattle. That's the real issue.

[@shaylasears710]

Hello I really loved this video! I just had a few questions 1) would this part work fine partsology.com/variable-valve-timing-solenoid-vvt-honda-crosstour-cr-v-accord-08-15-2-4l-3-5l-vts1161?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIh7Sih43o5QIVmh-tBh3gwg6bEAQYAiABEgJHYPD_BwE My only concern is I don’t want to get a bad part or something that will cause the same noise again in a few months 2) If the rattling doesn’t happen when I repeatedly turn the key on off and then actually start the engine. Does that mean it’s just the vvt or could it still be something else? Like the actual vtc aviator or phaser? Thank you for your time! :) Just another owner trying to make their car last!

[@fullcend-tkm73]

I would say if you do the key on key off key on key off thing and it doesn't continue to make noise the solenoid should be your fix but there is nothing guaranteed. I know a lot of people have had great success rate with my video and fixing it this way and if you look in the comments section you'll see all kinds of different people say guess it does fix it no it doesn't fix it and then you got people that claim to be professionals Really at the end of the day I think paying the little bit of money and taking the little bit of time to change the solenoid and then change your oil and filter with a good quality oil and filter and it fixes your problem for another year or maybe even two years like my parents car they're still not having problems after I change the solenoid it's worth it

[@fullcend-tkm73]

That part does look like it's the right part

[@josephwang4337]

I had same issue, Honda helped me replace the VTC under factory warranty, but a year later it starts doing it again. What should I do? Can I just leave it like that? Or, I should get fixed? If so, How much would it be? thank you.

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Unfortunately there is a big defect in that solenoid and you have to replace it the part itself through Honda could be almost $200 and then you're talkin two or three hours of Labor could be around six seven hundred bucks it's better to just do it yourself or find somebody that you know and trust and have them replace it using a video like mine

[@josephwang4337]

Such a helpful suggestion, man. Thank you very much! What is my engine still has the 6 years factory warranty? would that be included?

[@fullcend-tkm73]

For some reason I'm not getting notified when you guys respond, yes that would be covered

[@joa8593]

If the VVT solenoid resolves the rattle, would you recommend still replacing the defective VTC alternator with the new design?

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Personally I wouldn't but there's plenty of people that would say to go ahead and do it but me if it runs fine and it's not making noise and you don't see metal debris or anything in the oil or on the screen of the VVT solenoid then don't fool with it

[@joa8593]

@T T No that won't resolve the issue, it's a factory defect

[@ybn5575]

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[@pribadiiwan]

Hello Richard, i am bit confused it is VTC actuator or VVT actuator? two different item. 1. VTC Manufacturer Part Number: 14310-R5A-305 (accord 2008 - up) 2. VVT actuator the one you talking about on video please advise.

[@fullcend-tkm73]

pri_iwan so you are right it's called a VTC but I've heard more people use the term VVT and whenever you make videos you have to engage people to what the more common terminology is the VVT and the VTC work hand-in-hand that's why my title is the way it is but you are correct it's a VTC actuator but when I tried to look it up at the local parts stores as a VTC actuator it doesn't come up but if I look it up as a VVT actuator it does come up.

[@pribadiiwan]

hello again Richard,thank you for your video, i solve my VVT actuator issue/ grinding rattling sound cold start , i do remove the VVT actuator and clean it and the engine working well.. ( i clean it using throttle cleaning spray and blow it by air compressor until all the dirt are going out..repeated 4-5 times and it is really clean.)

[@fullcend-tkm73]

pri_iwan good job unfortunately in most cases that won't work but it work for you and that's great.

[@fullcend-tkm73]

pri_iwan from a standpoint of saving money that's excellent but most people won't do that they just want to replace the part so they don't have to worry about it but it's easy enough job and it doesn't take too much time so if it does start doing it again you can just replace it no problem

[@reginaldrice4332]

This Is The VTC Solenoid. The Actuator Is Located On The Intake Cam

[@RHSwarrior13]

I have a 2013 Accord with 2.4 that makes the rattling sound when started. Is this repair going to be the same for the 2013? I noticed everywhere I've searched, any repairs for the actuator and solenoid is only for models up to 2012. I can't even find the actuator gear for sale online for 2013 model!

[@fullcend-tkm73]

I'll look into it for you

[@fullcend-tkm73]

honda.oemdtc.com/219/engine-rattles-at-cold-start-up-2008-2013-honda/2

[@RHSwarrior13]

The title of that says 2008-2013, but the "affected vehicles" list only goes up to 2012 on the Accords. Thanks for looking though.

[@fullcend-tkm73]

It states right in the actual bulletin that there's a 2013 makeup as well like for parts

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Even though it's under Honda CRV all of those 2.4 L had similar situations where the VTC actuator was the culprit but if the VTC actuator doesn't fix it chances are its the phaser itself

[@davidtheinspector]

What was the symptoms of the issue?

[@fullcend-tkm73]

2 - 4 second rattle on start up Normally caused by Phasers or Phaser Solenoid.... Replaced the solenoid and 15k miles later still no rattle

[@monzsterman]

Im suprised this solved your rattle. Usually its the VTC actuator that causes the rattle.

[@jerryblack6948]

Did you do it yourself how did you trust a mechanic tell you that as it's taking your money

[@monzsterman]

​@jerryblack6948 I do my own work being a Honda mechanic of 30 years

[@dario15]

Since the part was physically different. Did it work

[@fullcend-tkm73]

It works perfectly my father's car and my mother's car are both still running a year later with another 40 thousand miles on it no problem

[@fullcend-tkm73]

You can also cycle the key for word for about 15-20 seconds back at off-cycle it again for 15-20 seconds and then try to start it and see if it starts with no rattle sometimes that works

[@dario15]

I'm just concerned that it's different that it is not going to fit properly inside

[@fullcend-tkm73]

It fit completely perfect inside, both vehicles I get it too and they've been working completely fine for at least a year or more

[@fullcend-tkm73]

You'll be alright, are you changing because of the rattle same thing?

[@Daniel-xq7ny]

You solved your grinding noise on cold start up, by replacing this solenoid? Any updates please. Thanks

[@fullcend-tkm73]

yes, the key on off trick is only to get the pintle to move inside the VCT solenoid and that's the solenoid that I replaced other than that it doesn't really work all that well

[@Daniel-xq7ny]

@@fullcend-tkm73 so the solenoid could sometimes be the problem?

[@fullcend-tkm73]

yes

[@Daniel-xq7ny]

@@fullcend-tkm73 I will replace it also. You used an aftermarket brand without any issues? Thanks

[@fullcend-tkm73]

yes napa

[@1roxtube]

SAE? On a Honda?

[@fullcend-tkm73]

No it's what I had to use.... If you were stranded in the middle of nowhere and you needed a 14mm to fix an issue to get going again but a 9/16 was the only thing close Would you just stay stranded, nope You use what you have.... 3/8 - close to 10mm 5/16 - 8mm 9/32 - 7mm 7/16 - 11mm 1/2 - 13mm 9/16 - 14mm I mean they are close and sometimes they interchange.....its what I was working with

[@1roxtube]

@@fullcend-tkm73 Hey, I get it man. I've been there.

[@joselito1186]

hey rich, I had my vct actuator replaced a year ago and my car started rattling again now that it started getting cold in New York, do you believe this will fix my issue with the rattle at start up or should I get the vct actuator replaced? I do my oil change with castrol edge 5w20 full synthetic oil every 2,000 miles and noise came back

[@fullcend-tkm73]

If you had the actuator itself replaced which is built on to the camshaft then I would replace the solenoid which is the one that I have in the video here I called the actuator because it was listed in the parts catalog at Napa and AutoZone is that but it's really not that The actuator is the mechanism that's on the camshaft that either Advanced or retarded the camshaft the solenoid is what controls the oil going to it which that's the one I replaced in this video I mean it's simple enough and cheap enough to just go ahead and change it before spending tons of money having the engine torn back apart again just so you can change the actuator on the camshaft

[@joselito1186]

well the actuator from honda is around 70 bucks and the one from Napa is 100 dollars why use the Napa one when the one from the dealer is cheaper online

[@fullcend-tkm73]

@@joselito1186 well it all depends on circumstances, my mother wanted to sell this car she wanted to go get a brand new one and she didn't want to sell it in bad condition and she wanted it fixed immediately so she did not want to wait for the part to come in

[@fullcend-tkm73]

@T T your right but this one worked perfect so it is what it is

[@fullcend-tkm73]

If that's what you do that's what you do brother that's all up to you I've never had a problem with it and don't plan on changing now

[@Wokemindvirus-a12]

Great video

[@adamGee777]

Wsup guys. My 06 Honda civi si has problem, scan it with a reader and it pop up p1009, says VTC . But when trying to start it up, it’ll rumbles like a motorcycle and without gassing it , the rpm will drop and it will die instantly. Note- it started happening when I got my oil change from Walmart. Idk if it’s the strainer or solenoid. Any advice ?

[@fullcend-tkm73]

First and foremost is you better get some good quality oil in there before you go any further and try that oh, a good quality oil and a good filter because some people have reported just from changing and put a good quality oil in it has went away I'm not sure why it's dying though that something good may be associated in may not be associated

[@Daniel-xq7ny]

Hi. To ne honest, I am going nuts with these VTC actuators issues. Some say they have a on/off ignition key trick that solved their issue. Some other say it the VTC gear itself, but the problem started again and often in less than a year! There must be a real fix for this cold start grinding noise. Honda should be held responsible for this pain!

[@fullcend-tkm73]

The permanent fix is replacing the phaser and solenoid that means pulling the front cover off of the engine and basically redoing the timing job

[@fullcend-tkm73]

So after I replace this solenoid it was in our possession for a year-and-a-half and never rattled again but we have since sold the vehicle and the had people we sold it to have no complaints

[@fullcend-tkm73]

To actually do this job correctly you're going to have to put a new phaser and timing assembly some people just do the phaser only but while you're there just put a new belt and everything on it

[@Daniel-xq7ny]

@@fullcend-tkm73 So in other words, your replaced only the solenoid and it solved it?

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Yes just like on Ford timing chain rattle on Startup same thing sometimes it's just the solenoid

[@SpeedsMcRonalds]

So I just did this today, replaced the actuator and all is well. The car still runs fine (in fact the performance feels a bit better) however on the first start-up after replacing it, the rattling noise still happened when I started it up. Does the sound go away over time after the new actuator is put in, or is it possible I have a different issue?

[@fullcend-tkm73]

+SpeedsMcRonalds sometimes that rattling noise could really be the timing chain itself is worn out and needs to be replaced it just all depends every situation is different most of the time the actuator alone and fixes it and increases the performance. Sometimes putting a oil filter with an anti Flowback rubber diaphragm in the top of it helps, and sometimes the cam that's actually on the side of the cam shaft itself is worn you just have to determine what it is.

[@fullcend-tkm73]

+SpeedsMcRonalds my mother's car did the same thing as well first start up it was rough and then every start up after that never came back

[@SpeedsMcRonalds]

Alright, thanks mate. I'll run it for a couple days and see if the sound goes away, I figured that it was just still rattling because I JUST put the part in, I expect that it'll stop after a while

[@fullcend-tkm73]

SpeedsMcRonalds what ended up happening?

[@SpeedsMcRonalds]

Well it's still making the noise, but it isn't as loud as it was before. And the car runs a bit better, so I know that the change had an effect. I'm guessing that the noise will either go away over time, otherwise it's the timing chain or possibly even the camshaft.

[@kevinhettenbach3005]

So the VVT actuator is the cause of the noise? I have the same issue. It’s been doing it for a while and it was $900 to fix at a shop. I’m trying to do it on my own. This video was very helpful

[@fullcend-tkm73]

The acuator is actually inside i named it both because the parts store had it listed as both Solenoid and actuator Inside the engine is the actuator this is the oil solenoid controlling oil flow to the actuator This was my mothers problem and the most common problem i have found so far If it doesnt go away then its the actuator on the camshaft internally This part i replaced in the video usually does the trick and fixes it but not always Let me know how it goes

[@cryptomadness1078]

Hi, My 09 honda accord 2.4l k24. When on cold starts it rattles for about 2 seconds. I changed the vtc solenoid with a new one. The car still makes the same noise even with a new solenoid. Whats my next move so I can get rid of this noise? Also, I have no check light on. Any help would be very appreciated.

[@fullcend-tkm73]

The Next Step would be the actuator itself attached to the camshaft but before I do that I would get a high quality oil filter that has a anti drain back diaphragm in the end of it not a cheap one but a higher-quality one ( the higher-quality ones typically have the diaphragm built in ) they typically all have the anti drain back diaphragm..... I've heard of people doing a good oil change and putting a high quality filter on and that helping but I don't know for sure that that's going to work in your situation... normally when the solenoid doesn't fix it, the actuator on the camshaft itself actually has to be changed

[@cryptomadness1078]

Yes I did an oil change with oil the car calls for. I will look into changing actuator next then. I will let you know.

[@cryptomadness1078]

@T T Thanks your response. The last owner seemed like they never changed the oil it was really dirty when I got it. So, I decided to do a full maintenance on it changing engine oil and trans oil as well. I did a motor flush to unclog any oil slug in motor. After, I used 5w20 full synthetic high mileage motor oil from oreilys. Do I use mobile1 oil instead you think that would work better? Or should I change the VTC actuator on the intake came? Let me know please I appreciate your time to help.

[@ofcbob6391]

Honda has a couple of TSB's out that address replacing the VTC Actuator. Should be a free fix if your vehicle (mine is 2014 CRV) is still within the 5 yr or 60k mile engine warranty. The Honda service advisor SHOULD be fully aware of the TSB or he/she shouldn't be working the service advisor desk!

[@fullcend-tkm73]

There is a mileage and year limit to that so a 2009 probably would not be covered I already called to check on my parents and certain criteria has to be met your 2014 probably is more than applicable for the window but a 2009 more than likely would not be

[@Tacoexplorer]

This is one part where you don’t want to go aftermarket. Definitely go OEM on this part. Why did you need to change it?

[@fullcend-tkm73]

So after a while sludge buildup inside the solenoid and it's not as efficient as it should be on letting oil get to where it needs to be Although I am a proponent for OEM parts sometimes the aftermarket is better The solenoid was sticking and it was causing oil on Startup not to get to the VCT actuator properly

[@fullcend-tkm73]

But through the comments and in this video I did explain that

[@Tacoexplorer]

Thanks for the reply. Did you have the cold start up grind? I’m little confused 90 percent of the KZbin videos people change the VTC Actuator NOT solenoid to Repair the cold start rattle. I actually have. 2012 CRV with the cold start rattle. Honda has a technical Service bulletin and they call for changing out the actuator not solenoid. So this is interesting. Did changing out the solenoid fix the issue??

[@fullcend-tkm73]

@@Tacoexplorer moms car since then has not made a single rattle It's not always the actuator, we have 6 dealers. It could be either or....most of the time I find the solenoid worn $$##

[@Tacoexplorer]

The Keto Mechanic - Black Sheep thank you. Maybe I will try the solenoid like you did. It’s an easier fix. I change my oil religiously on this vehicle at 4K miles and purchased new. So the metal screens on the solenoid should be clean and not give like starvation issues causing buzzing noise.

[@Yungtokyow]

Thinking of trying solenoid prior to VTC on my 08 acc 2.4 L. Can you help me out with specifications? Would you also happen to have tutorial for this presently?

[@fullcend-tkm73]

If you watched my video here it was how to replace the solenoid

[@Yungtokyow]

I’m sorry I said it backwards. Meant to say how to gauge whether or not to just entirely replace VTC actuator vs just replacing solenoid

[@fullcend-tkm73]

@@Yungtokyow I usually tell people if you hear the rattle only on Startup and it's only for a few seconds the solenoid I would definitely go for first But if it's more than just a few seconds I would start to question whether or not the phaser itself is bad I do not have a video on replacing the phaser only the solenoid because I've never had to replace the phaser in all the cars that I have done

[@Yungtokyow]

Ok sweet, with mine it’s only on start up. It makes the noise when it cold & hot. So it isn’t a weather thing. Happens as soon as key turns over then immediately goes away but sounds pretty awful. Would you advise someone to it who doesn’t have much mechanical experience? Never done a repair this intricate. Just ignition coils/plugs/PCV valve, etc

[@fullcend-tkm73]

@@Yungtokyow I want you to try something for me Turn the key on dont start it...wait about 10 seconds and then turn the key off and then turn the key back on again for 10 seconds and then started and tell me do you hear the rattle still

[@jackstaks9645]

Will it harm car if I dont fix cold start noise?

[@fullcend-tkm73]

It can yes

[@lavarrolle258]

Where can I purchase the part from..?

[@fullcend-tkm73]

+Lavar Rolle Napa or other parts stores have it in their brand as well

[@SleepyJoeisSlow]

Is it still running? No more clicking yet? I dont have FB brother😥

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Still running no ticking at all but again just doesn't work for everybody some people actually have to replace the whole entire timing set including the phasers

[@SleepyJoeisSlow]

@@fullcend-tkm73 Cool! Great video btw! Thanks 4 reply

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Your Very Welcome

[@fz6ism]

Still no rattle since you changed the solenoid on 2017?

[@fullcend-tkm73]

no, but that fix doesn't work for everybody

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Some people actually have to go in and get the phaser and chain replaced

[@donttrip1160]

@@fullcend-tkm73 how much does that usually cost

[@tompatrick9070]

Good video dude. My only issue is that I had a dealership in Charlotte, NC do this work on my wife's 2012 CRV 4cyl and the noise came back in 90 days. Done tons of research since (which is why I am here). Then checked with the local dealer when I moved to Houston 18 months ago, who told me he did not want to take my money because it simply could not be fixed permanently. He said that motor simply does not have a mechanism to retain oil at the top of the motor. Therefore, the oil drains from the lifters and requires 1-3 seconds to refill the lifters. He and others say it will not damage the engine, but it sounds bad. However... I did see somewhere along the way that NAPA had changed their version of the part to correct an issue. I noticed that you used a NAPA part. Did it fix the issue long-term? Lastly, seems like the noise started a while after I started doing the oil changes. She used to go to the dealer. I use Mobile 1 or comparable oil and synthetic filters. However, I have seen a few comments here and there about Honda filters being the cure. Maybe they have some better back flow prevention? Anybody heard similar?

[@fullcend-tkm73]

After using the napa the sound has never returned

[@tompatrick9070]

@@fullcend-tkm73 I will give it a try then. Thanks!

[@jackbrightside]

@@tompatrick9070 what were your results? considering buying a cheaper solenoid than nappa

[@tompatrick9070]

@@jackbrightside I bought the Napa part and let a good mechanic do the swap this past December. He showed me where the original valve had never been replaced by anyone. My wife has been driving it since

[@tompatrick9070]

With no noise or other issues.

[@powerfulallah3556]

Hey great video ! I was told my problem was the timing tensioner it only makes the rattle when I first start it or if Cars’s been sitting for a while the noise stops after start if I turn car off and turn right back on it won’t make the noise I have a 09 accord ex 4 cylinder I’m hoping it’s not this problem here any insight thanks 🙏

[@dr.enigma3541]

Mine honda civic 2007 Have the same problem exactly as you prescibe it Hope you fixed yours and give us your feed back

[@bdm408]

Any update guys? I have a rattling noise as well when I start up my 2012 Honda Accord.

[@nathan6867]

Was it the timing tensioner? Or was that your first guess

[@forestpassineau]

Timing chain tensioner does not fix the issue. Tried it myself and no improvement.

[@thomasdaniel7629]

I have a 2014 CRV it makes a noise when it starts. Like it’s rubbing against something

[@fullcend-tkm73]

This is related to the same kind of thing

[@fullcend-tkm73]

I would see if you have any codes in the computer

[@clwin33]

I have the same problem but I fixed once when I drive 3.5 years. Now 4 years and 11 months the noise comes back again. Unfortunately, my miles is out of warranty. I am checking how much to fix this problem not in Honda dealership.

[@clwin33]

@T T The sound is from the front. This sound happen 1.5 yrs ago, the dealer change a part. Fortunately my car was still under warranty. Now I have this sound again. The part is not expensive, the most expensive is labour. They need 2 days to fix it, the mechanic told me they need to take out the engine and then take out the timing chain to change the parts. That why if this is not under warranty, it will cost around 1000-1500 CAD.

[@clwin33]

@T T There is no signal showing in the board but I don't know the code in the mechanic computer.

[@mrgyallo]

Hey Rich, I have a 09 accord. They said I have to change the vvt pressure switch. Code P2651. I cant find any video showing that switch. (Rocker arm oil pressure switch B circuit low voltage). Can you help with this issue?

[@fullcend-tkm73]

What have you done to try and correct it so far? Does this article help www.engine-codes.com/p2651_honda.html

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Alot of what im seeing is Make sure oil level is correct Make sure correct oil type is used Proper Filter Etc etc In the article it gives you a part# as well of you chose to replace the sensor. Was it serviced recently

[@mrgyallo]

Yea, I read a few of those posts... the oil was changed a couple weeks ago, but not my regular shop. I didn't take it in myself... I did check the oil level and it was just about empty. That shouldn't be... I went to Auto Zone to get the Diagnostic scan. That's how I found the code...

[@fullcend-tkm73]

@@mrgyallo well that's the reason why the code was there you need to clear that out of the system if you've already corrected the oil level and viscosity type and a good quality filter

[@mrgyallo]

The Keto Mechanic - Fueled By Fat Home Ok. Im still trying to figure out why the oil was gone though, because it was full just the other day. But i don't see any oil spots under the car or build up anywhere...

[@nmralfaloge]

I have same problem with my 2008.honda during cold weather starting , and during oil change time it will get so bad noise, do you think I should change the vtc solenoid or the actuator ?? Please waiting your reply, thanks

[@fullcend-tkm73]

I think every single time to see if you need the actual phaser always start with the solenoid because it's the cheapest route to go and it can fix your problem. You don't know until you try it though.

[@ubmixinb360]

Yeah you installed it, but does it work?.... ALL those Nuts and Bolts are METRIC......

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Potato pahtato - it was sold to my mother's friend is still running with no rattle today at 150k

[@reesecasillas5615]

Hello, Will this fix the issue with the rough start sound since this is the VVT and not the VTC or are they the same fix that you're using the name interchangeably?

[@fullcend-tkm73]

This could help fix that if it's a rough start with the chain rattle it could help but it's not guaranteed to help I think what a lot of people are missing in my video and the name of this is depending on the parts store these parts are labeled under the wrong name that's the whole reason why I labeled this that way

[@robertm.1098]

Does this work for a 2013 crv?

[@fullcend-tkm73]

I've heard it's similar but I'm not sure....look at compare the location of what you see in the video and the crv....I would assume yes

[@fabrivila2774]

Thank you very much for the video. In the event that the VTC actuator is not changed, can a serious problem occur? thanks for answering.

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Yes! but I've seen people run these cars where it never got any worse and they were completely fine. It's a chance you take

[@fabrivila2774]

FULL CEND - TKM Thank you

[@fullcend-tkm73]

@@fabrivila2774 YVW

[@maryreed2280]

Owners of these affected cars, would you still buy the car if you knew it had this problem? Thanks in advance.

[@fullcend-tkm73]

My dad has 120,000 miles on his car now and since I replaced the part it has not had one single issue yet, my dad has only ever had to do regular maintenance to his car and replaced the battery that's it so this is a very reliable car but you got to keep up on the maintenance all the time treat it well and it will treat you well and it gets great fuel mileage

[@RogueNation.]

I have a 2010 Accord EX and it's rattling at 62k miles. Infact, it ratttles while on the road too, so I better get this solved quick :(

[@bdm408]

@@RogueNation. did u end up fixing the issue? Anymore rattling?

[@xmanacnj]

Does this work on a 3.5 V6 model???

[@fullcend-tkm73]

I think it would be the same concept but I cannot say that for sure

[@crAZNimal]

theres no vtc on v6

[@dendomurat4465]

I changed this part next morning I went and started the car and it still does the same thing on cold start

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Well I like I said in other comments this is not the one hundred percent guaranteed fix this is just what fixed the majority of them if you replace this and it continues then you need to do timing chains and phasers

[@jeffreydeleon5630]

Dendo Murat the Vtc actuator gear is what you need to replace.

[@fullcend-tkm73]

@@jeffreydeleon5630 that's exactly what I just said

[@23thebull]

@@jeffreydeleon5630 and that's a nightmare 😳

[@fullcend-tkm73]

These vehicles can have all brand new parts installed in 2 weeks later the same thing start happening again It's a s*** design and they haven't done very much to fix it

[@TruckThisGarage]

I can’t get the darn bolt back in. Errrr

[@ThasleemThayyib]

hey guys, My 09 i4 accord sedan used to make the rattling only in early morning cold start but now for the last few months it happened to be in every 20mins after the car kept idle.!!

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Your cam phaseres may be going bad or your hydraulic timing chain tensioners because once the engine warms up and the oil isnt as thick and it thins out and the chains may lose slack

[@ThasleemThayyib]

Keto Home that's a warning. Need immediate attention??

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Yes if it continues to make sound and it doesn't go away then that means it's pretty bad and you're going to have to get it looked at immediately

[@mabast007]

I have the issue on my 05 accord 2.4. You must replace the part?

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Worth a shot but it's somewhat different not the same system

[@mabast007]

@@fullcend-tkm73 The rattling that I am having issue with is when the car worms up not when the engine is cold. And when the AC is on, the rattling noise stays on unlike when ac compressor is off(no noise).

[@fullcend-tkm73]

@@mabast007 can you make a video for me and send it to my email even if it's just a small video [e-mail]

[@mabast007]

@@fullcend-tkm73 I posted the issue in my page. Thank you.

[@fullcend-tkm73]

My first thought is telling you to replace the AC compressor but I'm concerned because when you're on top of the engine in the video it sounds like you can still hear it a little bit. Maybe just more of a small video right on top don't move around so I can hear the sound that's going on

[@dixonramirez4965]

the part changed out is the solenoid. the actuator is sprocket shaped. i was suspicious when yu showed such little tools needed

[@fullcend-tkm73]

I corrected that in the comments, preaching to the choir

[@shawnawilliams9317]

Did this part stop the rattling noise? If so how long did it take to stop the noise?

[@alanpules4105]

Was hoping you'd actually start up the car so we could compare the noise.

[@richr1029]

good informational video.

[@Exset20]

I replaced my VTC and the noise is still there each and every morning regardless of the temperature. What else?!

[@fullcend-tkm73]

If you replaced your VTC actuator and the noise is still there chances are you have a mechanical problem with the cam phaser or timing chains are wore out

[@Exset20]

Thanks Rich! I'll check it out.

[@bdm408]

@@Exset20 any updates as to what ended up happing to your vehicle and the noise?

[@Exset20]

@@bdm408 The whining noise persisted and I asked my local mechanic and he says the internal timing chain kit needed to be replaced. It’s about $90 on carparts.com but I decided not to replace it. Labor for this replacement might be higher. Please note that it’s NOT a timing belt replacement. Here’s arguably the best video on how to do this. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWfIq2WBo8qEfsk

[@bdm408]

@@Exset20 thanks for replying and thank u for that video. I just watched it and it is a great video. Big thanks for that as well. Regarding your Honda, did the noise ever end up causing any other issues? Do u still have the car?

[@dott5249]

good shit

[@st3v3nb915]

Did it work

[@fullcend-tkm73]

85% of people say it did but other have had to replaced the actual phaser inside the engine bolted to the cam.....

[@st3v3nb915]

The Keto Mechanic - Fueled By Fat Home I’m going to change mine I’ll let you know the outcome . Mine nearly started making that rattle noise and it’s only when the car is cold once it’s warm I won’t here it anymore.

[@fullcend-tkm73]

@@st3v3nb915 so there is a trick that you can do on those Hondas with the VTC actuator if you key on a few times and actually make them actuate before you start them you can rattle the solenoid enough to wear when you start it the change won't rattle and you can see if the solenoid is the problem So on The Hondas with the VTC actuator key on key off key on key off key on key off THEN Start and what'll end up happening is you actually ate that solenoid and any kind of junk and slugs that's in there it'll end up breaking past it and when you start the vehicle that allow oil pressure in the change won't rattle that's how you'll know one hundred percent whether or not those solenoids need to be changed but I would go ahead and throw a new solenoid from Napa and there anyway at 75 bucks and you'll know whether or not it solves your problem and it only takes about 45 minutes to an hour to do it

[@st3v3nb915]

The Keto Mechanic - Fueled By Fat Home thanks for the information I’m going to try it out 👍🏽😎

[@fullcend-tkm73]

I apologize for any spelling errors I was actually leaving work late whenever I responded to your message and I had a lot of people standing around me so I just went ahead and invoice texted it real quick so I know there's some punctuation spelling errors but I hope you got it

[@brathajoe1]

I love it!

[@fullcend-tkm73]

This is a high percentage fix but sometimes it's actually much deeper than this and it could actually be the phasers themself or I should say the actuator for the cam phasers

[@ram43x80]

That was awesome, like u said, make it as simple as possible! Other videos r explaining taking sprockets out camshafts n exhaust shafts off..omg u made it so easy, some say change the timing chain n all, I may be talking about a whole different part too. Lol so why change that particular part? Rattling noise at start up?

[@fullcend-tkm73]

So this doesn't guarantee that the rattled going to go away this is a huge problem in these engines because these solenoids that I changed so bad and plug up with debris and sludge so and easy step is just replacing the solenoid Before getting into ripping the front of the engine apart to replace timing chains and phasers this is step one and it typically works I'm a master technician for Ford and even our Ford engines when the rattle starts a lot of times just changing the solenoid fixes it start with the easiest

[@gregorycox291]

This is not the actuator, it's the solenoid.

[@fullcend-tkm73]

If you look in the description and you payed attention you how I corrected myself I explain why I kept calling it that thanks for paying attention though

[@heyyeshyou]

I read the description don't say any mention of the word solenoid.

[@fullcend-tkm73]

What is your point here?

[@SleepyJoeisSlow]

@@heyyeshyou Thank you!

[@MrBmxbrawler]

Thats not the vtc actuator. Its the vtc solenoid. The actuator is the cam gear

[@fullcend-tkm73]

You need to check the description again, I corrected myself....thanks thougj

[@brandensoutdoorb-channel8084]

vertical video :(

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Most of the time I do horizontal sometimes I do vertical people just have to roll with it sometimes that's just how it is

[@brandensoutdoorb-channel8084]

@@fullcend-tkm73 horizontal makes it full screen not cut off with black bars. Thanks for the video anyways, my car is grinding too.

[@fullcend-tkm73]

if you look at my channel I have hundreds and hundreds of videos I know the different types of viewing.... this particular day I didn't really care I was so cold I wanted to get it done. In some of the other comments you will see that there are some tsb's listed and the solenoid itself that I replaced in the video doesn't necessarily guarantee the problems fixed it's just the most common fix and the easiest

[@jesusmiranda2236]

My 09 sedan made the startup noise when i bought it used, changed oil to full synthetic and never made the noise again 😲

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Sometimes you'll get lucky like that good quality oil good quality filter means a lot

[@WizOfTech]

T T hey can you dm me please need assistance

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Leave an email you cant dm on here

[@WizOfTech]

The Keto Mechanic - Fueled By Fat Home [e-mail]

[@Adlamo]

@T T i use mobile 1 synthetic on my CR-V and issue still exists. not sure but i think it starts happening as the oil gets older.

[@-wretchedcow-606]

9/16”?!?! On a Honda?!?!!!

[@fullcend-tkm73]

14mm close equivalency I was at my father's house doing this working with what he had. Made the video and its helped tons of people.... so the 9/16 or 14mm has worked fab

[@-wretchedcow-606]

The Keto Mechanic - Fueled By Fat Home-absolutely!! Your work is is great! Just US on a metric threw me off and I have stripped many a bolts trying to use close equivalents. The drive belt zip tie thing was awesome!

[@fullcend-tkm73]

I have to but when I made this video I called up honda and said look I'm a Ford Tech at our other dealer we owned what's up with this rattle.my folks are having and he said LOOK The service manager said, I'd 100% try the solenoid first because weve seen it work for most of our customers. So I just went with what I had available

[@andreaw7787]

I wish these videos showed the noise you're trying to repair....

[@gfriedman99]

It's the cold start rattle. Everyone knows the noise.

[@travisjones9466]

You should always use OEM parts

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Im a dealer Mechanic bud, in some situations your correct but this a car with 100k miles ...... this part works just fine

[@alfredlimon1622]

What’s weird is that I just pulled solenoid from my 2011 accord and it’s R22 made in Mexico wtf? I bought car brand new and it’s only been to dealer and me changing oil

[@alfredlimon1622]

Is that r22 the original or did dealer change it on me when I took it in for regular maintenance?

[@timmyz2112]

Got lost in a KZbin hole looking up mods for my TSX when I stumbled upon your video don't need to fight with you don't mean no disregard if that's how you conduct yourself as a mechanic by using the wrong equipment and it works for you God bless but I guess that's why you only work on Ford's and Hondas while I'm working on Audi R8's ,deloreans, z06's, dragsters and antique and classic vehicles at my second job when I'm not working as general repair technician

[@fullcend-tkm73]

So what I don't get is why you want to use this term God in vain obviously because you come to my public profile trying to talk trash and tear my name down on this profile within you want to start comparison between what I do and what you do how does that make any sense? Please just don't comment again or I will block you from this page I've heard enough that's not the Christian like thing to do

[@Jaayraaay]

id put money on it that your one of techs that would of pulled the engine for this fix you fucking tard...you act like working on an R8 is is such a accomplishment lmao your acting like a car snob because you work on shit that takes 40 man hours to change a timing chain

[@JesusRivera-fv9nc]

Two different sensors dude. VVT solenoid is the big one and the smaller is a camshaft control valve …please don’t mix these up!

[@fullcend-tkm73]

I can a Automotive channel that is specifically about Automotive if anyone is interested

[@FordBossMe]

Front brakes for the same vehicle I created a separate Channel that's just Automotive kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2aYaHxmm9SBftE

[@ilovemywife2685]

Is this the problem why my 2011 honda accord is sluggish at times and you can here the ticking sometimes? Thank you