How to Get Rid of Electronic Assists on Forza Horizon 5

[@thespanishinquisition8628]

7:45 A quick note here. While a controller can never give you the same amount of information as a decent sim wheel and pedal setup, the Xbox One controller and Series X/S controller actually have separate vibration motors for both the LT and RT triggers, which in some games (Including FH5) have been programmed to vibrate at different rates depending on how much the tires are slipping. This means that you actually have pretty good control when it comes to throttle and braking, making it pretty easy to modulate throttle as needed and use threshold braking technique. Especially when it's implemented as well as it is in both this game, and FH3/4. However, the Xbox 360 controller, like the one you show in the video, did not have these motors. This of course means that the experience will be a lot more frustrating if you still haven't upgraded to a better controller. Loved the tips in the video tho! I had no idea that the game set everything too stiff by default and I was definitely wondering why all my cars were sliding so much. ;)

[@Ikaros---]

I play without vibration on controller, I use headphones and the sound of the individual tires to judge grip levels.

[@nyftn]

correct , it helps very much . to feel that vibration in the triggers

[@fabienlarvor8283]

For the controller "debate", bear in mind that you're showing a Xbox 360 controller, which lacks one of the most powerful haptic tool the Forza series offer since the first Xbox one game, and that is trigger vibration. The trigger vibrate to let you feel whenever you're losing traction whether on the throttle (leading to wheel spin) or on the brake (leading to blocking wheels). And in fact, it offers that feedback a lot more accurately than what a wheel can give you, in my opinion. And if we're talking about difficulty and/or performance without taking realism into account, I think the controller is the optimal device here.

[@kamilowski272]

i would say steering wheels are still better since they give much more precision at turning. personally i find it very hard to get a corner perfectly with a controller.

[@block_head_steve240]

I would say the force feedback can represent that better, because it's easier to react to a to wheel spinning easier than a vibrating controller.

[@brawlikbroly4284]

That's all settings. The controller will never be able to give me such immense detail of every lil change the way a wheel can. It's massively more difficult because of this increase in detail of information and amount. Add the fact that if you drive real cars your brain has to relearn what the information being received means cause you have no movement picked up by suspension and your body, instead your wheel tells you those things.

[@andrezunido]

For the game type (PGR style), the gamepad appears most adequate (lots of crazy stunts that would really wear my arms off for any extended play session)

[@brawlikbroly4284]

@@andrezunido are we attaching easiest to best? Cause ya the controller is way easier and your able to do insane stuff. Doesn't make it BETTER though. Unless that's ALL your goin for

[@dAnIeLmOnGe2000]

For all this time I was trying so hard to feather the throttle and losing so much time in the corner exits, when in reality it was just the tune setup that was too stiff. Thank you for this video ViperConcept!

[@MindedMeister2]

Dude, this really helped my time in FH5. I was trying to beat Goliath S1 Class at Pro Difficulty (Unbeatable is already BS enough of a difficulty) with the Supra '98. The wheelspin has been minimized to a ton and reduced a lot of stress from me, therefore I thank you for it.

[@szczuru96]

Viper and horizon? Im in!

[@lilelk1]

Thank you for this video. I had a bad time turning off assists, but I will try again with these tips. Finally going to tune my own car instead of searching through 50 tunes to find the only one that kept the RWD... I wish the assists could be turned on/off per car or even per car-tune, but it appears the settings are only global.

[@mimidotcat]

Your english is improving a lot, keep it up viper!

[@Blumessiah]

Bro the sonic battle music hit me hard

[@giltheproguy4851]

viper horizon 5 - the most realistic sim racing - arcadish game.

[@josephhodsall8371]

I've been watching your channel for long enough to know that you have considerable knowledge and skill with sim driving. Thanks for the entertainment :) Nonetheless I think you are getting a couple things wrong in regards to tuning. I just popped into forza to double check this in fact. First of all, solving the sort of transient lack of grip you demonstrate in the video would require changing your damper bias, that's half of what dampers are for. For example if you increase front bump damping and decrease it at the rear, you would find you had more immediate grip on turn in. Secondly, while softer springs decrease steering response, they actually increase and speed up the response of the suspension. If you want a car with more stability, which seems to be the purpose of the video, you would want stiffer springs, and bump damping, and rollbars, up to the point where you start lifting the inside tire which is obviously bad. I have a few thousand hours of tuning experience in various sim and simcade titles, so I promise I'm not just talking out my ass.

[@AnthonyOlivo42]

FH5 has most of those things way too stiff by default, unlike other Sims or even FH4. So softening the car actually improves the drivability of most cars in this game.

[@MrBluePoochyena]

@@AnthonyOlivo42 I make the suspension even harder than they were on default it becomes way more drivable, then i just fine tune to change the car to suit my driving style

[@josephhodsall8371]

@@AnthonyOlivo42 I haven't played the new Horizon, so I will take everyones word for it. But if sedans and coupes are so stiff they are losing contact with the road at low speeds, then that game has SERIOUS physics problems. Also, as I mentioned, tuning anything besides damper bias to fix a problem with transient grip is a waste of time. All this talk about stiffer or softer suspension is not really related.

[@AnthonyOlivo42]

@@josephhodsall8371 You should definitely try it out and you'll see how stiff the cars are, spring rates are more than double what they should be, and anti roll bars are way too stiff. HOWEVER, this easily fixable by putting the ARB's at the minimum and then tune the dampers/spring rates until you're satisfied with it. I've been able to find comfortable and fast setups with some effort.

[@josephhodsall8371]

@@AnthonyOlivo42 To be honest this conversation has destroyed my desire to play the new game at all. At least until they notice this issue and make a patch. I'm gonna keep playing Horizon 4 where the physics are fine. Anyways thanks for chatting with me :)

[@Lordicus21]

Best video for learning about setup. It works on other Forza Horizon games too

[@ReVDeatH]

The steering wheel part kinda hurt my feelings as a keyboard driver

[@viperconcept]

Sorry!!! 😢

[@ReVDeatH]

@@viperconcept Haha NP

[@Neawoulf]

Wow, this really helps. Finally i can feel the car and have some control while braking and entering corners. This really transforms the game!

[@manologifguay3195]

Viperconcept and Forza Horizon 5??? This is absolutely a dream, a beautiful dream UwU

[@therealconfidentiality7526]

18 years using controllers. I'm very precise with acceleration, brake & steering but I love using wheel and pedals.

[@andrezunido]

Thanks for the tuning tips I spend hours tuning my cars into handling machines only to get steamrolled by everyone in the same class.

[@TheWTFRacer]

youre creating so good and helpful videos. its everty time a pleasure to watch your vids. keep up the great work

[@leommsilva]

Excelent video, Viper! Changed my gameplay completely! Thanks a lot! Any chance of a video about steering wheel advanced settings (ffb, vibration, etc)?

[@Roddy_Zeh]

That Driver intro...always... ***happy tears***

[@stickybuds05]

Very informative! Thanks for the tips viper, will be trying these out on my favorite cars/tunes

[@taquito1561]

I have tried this game with a wheel, and I gotta say, it is very fun when using one, it makes freeroam like 5 times more fun (coupled with the beautiful map, graphics and great sound design), it also makes racing fun, maybe not as competitive as with a controller IMO but really fun still. Don't even get me started on how much of an improvement FFB is compared to FH4...

[@joelou]

As someone who only plays on wheel this is super helpful! Thank you!

[@bovalveyt]

love the short roulette at the end:) i am finally in a viper roulette video:))

[@nismosunny]

server issues in my case were related to corrupted files, verifying them in Steam properties tab fixed all the problems. Well.. not all, but enough to consider networking stable.

[@Patrick76496]

Thanks for your tips, I really appreciate as a wheel player! Can you make more guide and tips videos about the game? I was obsessed with learning about how to tune and choose the right upgrades in both Motorsport and Horizon series, and was kind of decent with the controller, but I still haven't mastered my G27 enough in Forza games. I'm a bit sad that in this game it's a bit harder to get handling points, exhaust and weight reduction upgrade doesn't always increase it.

[@asolebenjamin4132]

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[@qapoo5438]

Hi Viper great video! I would like to see more videos from you about Forza Horizon 5 car tuning. Because you know how to do it well.

[@tobytoxd]

Thank you, man!! This is very helpful!!

[@sebastianstatham3274]

Me in motorsim 2: *Customizes My Own Version of Car acceleration. Even the AWD cars slip.*

[@joene_90]

Thanks for the tips! Playing on Xbox, it takes a loooooooong time to tune your car using just the d-pad on the steering wheel. I guess I should have a controller at all times do tune every new car I get? Is there a quick way to get all your cars to behave the way you want them to?

[@sopranerds1]

FBB is better than it was in FH3 ? The first time i played FH with a Wheel, it felt really numb, the car would slide too easily and FBB was more of a gimmick than proper information about tires grip. I'm considering buying the new FH.

[@Angrynood]

So to get a proper balance of control and precision, you would have to start stiffening the correct settings to your liking?

[@stickybuds05]

*softening in this case. But yea, looks like it

[@R3dRicky]

You missed the fact that you can change tire compound, with, and track with as well to increase grip. Also the fact that the "default" settings of the suspension is the race suspension which is generalized for all the cars and of course needs tuning. Not only that stock suspension can be fine on a lot of cars. The R32 Skyline has 4 wheel steering, which it loses when upgrading suspension. I'd like to add to the controller debate that in Forza Horizon most of the top leaderboard people use a controller, not a steering wheel. As you said yourself your setups to make cars feel better on a wheel, but make the cars slower. Controller drivers can manage these undriveable machines with crazy setups a lot more than you can imagine. Not to say it is impossible with a wheel. But of course personal preference exists.

[@nyftn]

been playing forza 5 . using emuwheel on a TGT . the game feels pretty real , but the physics are not completely realistic. the open world and jungle races are pretty unique if you want to simulate street racing (also works in AC i know) but to beat a controller player in forza it's much much much more difficult than beating a controller player in gran turismo . not saying forza is more arcade but Forza is perfected for controller compared to gran turismo .

[@nyftn]

the most amazing thing imo about forza is how well it runs on older hardware

[@igorffranco]

Thanks viper

[@josetrevino1139]

Hey viper! I applied this setting to my lambo huracan, and I found that it is more bouncy and unstable than bone stock. Is it realistic or am I just doing something wrong?

[@iamsurmeli]

Hey viper, thanks a lot for the video! Can we apply these tunings for AWD cars as well?

[@yang087]

Yes, car setup changes can make cars more predictable and easier to drive as said in the video. But some cases like tire pressures and diff setup depends on the drivetrain. Haven't played fh5 yet, do awd have front/center/rear diff setup?

[@martinantelo7086]

No point using those on AWD, you gotta drive like an animal to lose them on FH5 and they're already OP af since the game really doesn't have any inertia and a 2500kg Taycan corners the same as a Lotus.

[@Neawoulf]

Just try it. If you don't like it you can always return to your previous settings. I tested this on several cars (RWD, FWD, AWD) and most of them feel a lot more predictable with these setup changes.

Now, this make a new question how to make a fully upgraded Romi Isetta drivble?

[@rafaelh.reynoso4594]

Where is the CarRoulette video?

[@viperconcept]

I decided to re-make the event and forget about the bad experience we had the previous week on the servers. Moreover I had no time to make the video: I started a new job I.R.L.... 😞

[@rafaelh.reynoso4594]

@@viperconcept understandable. Good luck bro!

[@youngganghis5236]

Could you help me with the wheel settings? I got a TS-PC which similar to the t-gt but can't figure the best settings

[@stobeznog878]

Have you noticed 350z and e46 have swapped sounds?

[@SheetFiber]

Will this apply in FH4? I still cannot afford FH5 😅 I experience similar struggle in FH4 and ended up turning all cars to awd

[@brawlikbroly4284]

Does viper have s discord?

[@pixlgamerfr2004]

2:04 Is that the Ultimate Flash Sonic Soundtrack ?

[@glokki6547]

Sonic Advance GBA

[@pixlgamerfr2004]

@@glokki6547 Same as Ultimate Flash Sonic (a Flash free Sonic game)

[@NamingIsHard828]

soooooo do you talk while filming or while editing ?

[@viperconcept]

Both 😉

[@shiba0012]

Do you have see Grandma driving? He is keyboard racer 😀

[@ndb6ndk99]

Love it!

[@maxx375]

bruh they still havent fixed the 350z and e46 engine sound swap

[@brawlikbroly4284]

I just want some new friends to cruise with in F5. I gotta wheel but it u dnt idc 😅👊👍

[@comadrejamuerta8955]

Is this also for fh4

[@hexagonal7075]

Me here with dualsense using gyro as a steering wheel 😂

[@brSiRiuS]

Seems like the game doesn't simulate body-roll at all. Not visually at least. Meh

[@Lukkaa35]

Using a gran turismo wheel in forza 😂

[@bricjap]

I wish the cars drive like in a sim. They just could have added assists for non-sim racers

[@davidkidd3317]

What the hell is this video it's just you admitting Forza is the hardest Sim lol Forza has always been this hard you just never played it

[@viperconcept]

I m not admiting nothing. Forza has Always been a sim-arcade... Nothing to do with assetto corsa and iRacing (which are real full Sims). Difficulty isn t a synonim of realism. You should know that.

[@musiciansdreams2541]

📌 Pin 📌

[@kostakhc]

need for speed has better physics...

[@zerobasedgod9291]

😐

[@rafaelh.reynoso4594]

It depends on what you call "better"

[@andysss_play]

Crashing? Maybe... Everything else? Not really

[@zukiizquadz]

literally drifting across every corner

[@kostakhc]

Ok nfs doesnt have better physics ,but fh5 isnt better