How To Get the FASTEST POSSIBLE WATER FLOW RATE !! - Timberborn Hard Mode

[@ryan96420]

I’m a water resources engineer and I absolutely love your trouble shooting as a whole and operation of reservoirs.

[@boarder6246]

I’m glad you have brain! Unlike those architects out there… 🙃

[@dreadzinogre4636]

If the Architect punishment had Skye's help the ***cano would turn into a storm!

[@docferringer]

Sooo are we going to start seeing the Skye Storm effect in our municipal water systems? :D

[@PatentDude]

As an engineer first (before joining the dark side of being an attorney), I love trouble shooting, exploration and principle recognition of this video! However with some hesitancy I can help but point out that: 1.) Water is essentially incompressible, but the flow rate is inversely proportional to the cross sectional area, and 2.) The Sky Storme effect in Timberborn is known as the Continuity Equation in the real world. How cool that Mechanistry added this to Timberborn! Thanks for sharing it!

[@jaquigreenlees]

I suspect the water dynamics library from Unity includes this. The development toolkit that is Unity was intended for games so the devs for it would be inclined to include as much as possible into the water segment of the kit.

[@Friedthjof]

wanted to write exactly the same and am very happy I do not have to ;) the whole talk of "compressing water" made me wince. but the outcome was great, so I will leave a like and not unsubscribe :)

[@ObeyHats4035]

is this the same function as water flowing into smaller pipes and using gravity as the energy?

[@gustavodeoliveiraferreira3796]

It's the Bernoulli's principle

[@emmata98]

but doing a ripplewaterfall should not be the neccesary factor

[@snowyverrider2095]

Huge props to the game developers for adding Bernouli's principle of fluid dynamics to the game, that cannot have been easy to implement.

[@briantroy7376]

I've glimpsed the code, the water is cool, but trust me they cut A LOT of corners to get it to work like this and most players still hate it lmao.

[@ThePrimeMinisterOfTheBlock]

@@briantroy7376 how'd you get access to the code

[@chriku]

@@ThePrimeMinisterOfTheBlockit's unity. they use "compiled" c#, but due to reflection data that can be uncompiled basically losslessly

[@Sebastian-hg3xc]

@@ThePrimeMinisterOfTheBlock maybe decompiled.

[@GarrettBShaw]

If you haven't yet seen, the experimental update 6 I think has improved the water more. I'm sure they still cut a lot of corners, because it's really hard to simulate water, but water works really well now. You can have actual aqueducts with water of different types flowing over each other at different elevations. And basins can be filled from the bottom using pressure and will even out in level with all other connected basins. ​@@briantroy7376

[@graey2]

It's not actually compressing, it's being constricted, resulting in higher flow. As the math shows, the volume stays the same, the current increases, which is why it still passes a narrower canal without overflowing. That's good programming as well, as water doesn't compress (much) when liquid, unlike air.

[@Karagianis]

Imagine the power you could generate with this effect if you had the Iron Teeth and their large 2 deep water wheels.

[@Kaelland]

You've created a nozzle. When anything bound by the nature of fluid dynamics (both liquids and gasses) are forced through an increasingly narrow passage, such as a nozzle, the fluid (or gas) speeds up as the passage narrows. The impressive thing here is not that you've figured out how to do it, but that it's actually modeled in game.

[@arkadye]

I realised that I missed the first episode of this series, so I went back to watch it. It's really cute how at the end he's showing us the reservoir he's created saying "that is huge - we will never run out of water again". Folks: that reservoir was about 3 tiles deep, 9 tiles wide and ~20 tiles long. It is contained entirely within Belvoir Castle now. (Also, I just bought this game - another purchase because of Skye, dammit. 😛)

[@IseeSpiders]

Water model is not real world accurate, but IRL this effect is because the water does NOT compress. Its called the venturi effect and is pretty core concept in fluid dynamics. I did not know it replicated at all in timberborn 😀

[@peaoui165]

Now the question is: Can you modify Water-Wheel World to have a higher flow rate to up your power production?

[@aaavellone]

omg that would take like 2 days of real time to achieve. It would be cool, but that's a lot of work

[@wintersage6895]

@snox maybe so, but it'd mean fewer windmills, and (if surpassing expectations) fewer water wheels even for the power needs of the whole map.

[@aaavellone]

@@wintersage6895 true. But that baseball field over in barrel bot world isn't going anywhere, lolz, but the other windmills for sure

[@RKaudio]

I also thing this is a good idea!

[@Netherdan]

I suspect making turns would be a nightmare in this flow rate, but it would be fun to watch him try (and potentially succeed). Maybe using 3x3 pools for each turn would do the trick, but I don't think it will fit in the current layout, so it would need a major redesign of the power plant

[@exceededcircle1]

Dr. Skye Storm's, Skye Storm effect on water in timberborn is a very impressive scientific discovery to beaver kind and we applaud his efforts. 👏

[@wolframstahl1263]

Didn't expect a game science episode and I'm so happy we got one! Keep us updated. As much as I like the aesthetic of your builds, the lore and world building, you can always catch me with a deep dive into weird game mechanics! Love how proud you are of your discovery, and you deserve every bit of it!

[@jajwarehouse1]

This makes complete sense to me. The water does not compress, but the speed of flow increases as it falls in elevation into a narrower channel. It is the same reason wide fords in rivers have shallow slow moving water that could be easy to walk across, and narrow sections that drop in elevation within the very same river could have very dangerous rapids.

[@Liednard]

Thank you very much for looking into it! I had the intuition you can pull more than 1 unit of water per tile, this is a clear demonstration with the exact numbers to work with!

[@johntotten4872]

After seeing the video title I immediately thought when will Skye use this for the water wheel area. This semi reminds me of back in the day with the old timers using strip mining. They would take a water source and run it down a set length of pipe then neck it down to a smaller diameter pipe, run that a set distance and neck down again. Using gravity and water acceleration they would wash away the earth to find the precious minerals. The Skye Storme effect has a nice ring to it.

[@mattsaive455]

skye: ill add water source so I don't have to faff around with water to focus on building. **adds water source causing imbalance to system** proceeds to spend 2 episodes faffing around with water... bahaha love it skye. all the best to you and the family.

[@Damnedfish.]

I don't play TimberBorn, but I have been binge watching this series (8 months late). You earned my Like & Subscribe (as I agreed to your terms at the beginning). Well done on comprehending the Timberborn water physics to a whole new level.

[@cmilkau]

Wait a minute, if waterwheels reduce height, couldn't that be used to compress flow vertically as well? Possibly even compactify horizontal compression? EDIT: answer is NO! When used this way, the waterwheels effectively increase the level above them, rather than decreasing level below them (once water stabilizes). If you equate current := flow and level := potential, waterwheels seem to have a higher resistance. EDIT2: I'm using the new version, Skye is using the last before that.

[@btoombstertriesyt6532]

I'm studying civil engineering and we are studying dams and resovoirs. I new a surprising amount after playing this game! Thanks for my fav series Skye and I hope your mum gets well soon ❤️ x

[@gaalidas4836]

Yup, I figured as much. The faster the flow, the more volume is kept from building up and flooding. Simply lowering the floor of the canal was only adding more volume of slow moving water that will flood. The same thing happens in our world when we dig out river floors for building materials. The river gets too deep, slows down because it can't move the water fast enough and, ultimately, floods.

[@alanread8431]

Hi Skye, So hyped wanted to leave a comment straight away but decided to narrate through this episode. Great editing with the dynamite, so interesting, I play the game often and love watching you have so much fun. You and picture are just brilliant. Thanks for sharing the joy. Love YA man x Please keep this series going when you name the new districts I am always laughing. The Sky Storm Effect is worthy of publication in scientific journals. Wonderful, just wonderful..... Flow rate GGGRRRRRRrrr

[@Peter-jl4ki]

9:04 "I wonder if this will become known as the Skye Storme effect?" Nah, it's a Storme Drain.

[@andrewneedham3281]

People forget that these numbers (blah-blah meters *per second*) are flows, I guess. They're confusing flow with volume. It's an easy mistake to make. But you CAN get 10 square meters (square because it's a cross-section and will give volume over time when paired with a flow rate) of water per second through a one-square-meter channel IF you can accommodate a flow that's 10 times faster. It's just fluid continuity: flow in must equal flow out. It's that simple.

[@nemesis7774]

Damn, great use of the continuity equation! Next, solves Navier-stokes !

[@blackoak4978]

Based on where you've measured the flow rates, the "compression" has happened BEFORE your water ladder structure. You measured it right before and showed it's 0.3 high at 2cms x 5, which adds up to the 1.5 high by 10cms in the channel at the end

[@pietrolocatelli33]

Being an Engineering student I'm totally not impressed by the theory of it, it's pretty simple fluid dynamics actually. If the water goes fast enough you can push it through a way smaller gap or channel, that's how a pressure washer works (it has small holes for the water to come out so the water has to go very fast while being pushed by a massive pressure behind). Although being a student of IT Engineering to be exact, I'm very impressed that such a simple game, in early access too, has a physics engine so precise that's able to calculate that! They're probably using a physics engine made by someone else but still... kudos to the devs!

[@PupOrionSirius26]

I've seen this in action on one of the created maps I'm using from the website. It works. It has a V shaped river that rages hardcore from massive amounts of water flow.

[@dazenith4517]

I had actually done rather extensive testing well over a year ago about water flow mechanics. Unless they have changed in the year since. Maximum flow rate per cross sectional area is approx 6.66~ strength of water source. However waterfalls will limit flow rate to a 2.2 strength per width only.

[@hanswurst-d3n]

you can have a maximum of 3*2,2 cms=6.6cms per 1m heigth, 2m of heigth--> 13,2cms. Syke has 10 cms so 10/6.6=1.51m. Waterfalls however can only have 2.2 cms/tile (no dependency on waterheight) so if you have to widen the canal if you have one. The end of the map is not considered as a waterfall so no widening needed. The whole built up of "compressing the water" is not needed...

[@Consequator]

Water wheels will divert water around it. If you have a 2 block wide canal with a water wheel in 1 side then the water will be slower where the wheel is than the non wheel path. If you wheel up both sides then it goes back to normal because the cfm ends up pushing through .

[@Noric117]

I don't usually comment on KZbin videos, but I couldn't help but do so after watching this. My only real issue at this point is trying to figure out how to use these principles to aid me in my games. Thanks Skye!

[@cmilkau]

3:26 ok here's my guess before watching: to get max flow rate you need a minimum slope. Because this reminded me of the waterwheel power plant, where water level played a crucial role.

[@familhagaudir8561]

Amasing demonstration of water flow optimisation. Game changed alot since last year. The flow acceleration with magic tiles still work in ( October 2024 ) 0.6 update, but evaporation is now increased massively for single tiles surface water, and irrigation surface reduced massively too. Optimal is now 3 wide canals or 3x3 irrigation ponds.

[@AmyEyre616]

Yes, the water physics in this game is absolutely nuts, props to the devs!

[@wolframstahl1263]

I suggest making this effect known as the *STORME DRAINE.*

[@SkyeStorme]

Oh I love that :)

[@calvingreen1215]

I've binged the whole series while ill off work and just wanted to say hats off to you, very entertaining and commited, love it!

[@Clearwater_WT]

I did read before in the discord that water flows fastest through a drop of less than 1 tile height. I believe its whats happening here, allowing the water to congregate into the channel below. It is indeed a fascinating effect though, and I found a while ago that blocking one tile of the exit of a water wheel system actually speeds up flow, making the system produce more power and resolves flooding issues. Weird physics I have to say. Liked and commented! (Obvious on the second part)

[@johnv3788]

This series got me into Timberborn and this video just blew my mind! Thanks for the effort you put into each and every video! Love it!!!

[@MP3zilla]

You earned yourself my sub. I will abuse this going forward in addition to your perpetual water wheels. Thanks for this series, it's been a fun binge. Looking forward to an update 3 playthrough considering how you already play with your storage.

[@s.scottstaten1852]

Not sure about having my mind blown, but it is VERY interesting and something I'll definitely be looking at for my next map!

[@orrattia3640]

Hey Sky this is my first comment ever, I've been following you since 2020 - stumbled upon your Pateron vids during the lockdowns and I was hooked ever since especially Timberborn, there's literately nothing I'm waiting for more than to finish the day with a joint and your Timberborn commentary, feels like a trip to the shrink lol Full and fast recovery for your Mom! I hope the Timberborn vids will not stop Only commented cause you blew my mind =P Keep up the good work!!

[@medpacsherpa]

Yep. Very impressed. This is going straight into my next map

[@porscheguyakaTheBackStreetBoys]

I am drinking coffee while watching this at 8:35 pm

[@Gochen86]

That's something to keep in mind should I ever get Timberborn for myself. As I've thought of different possible custom-made maps of my own design, one thing I always wondered was if I could make a one-wide river flowing fast enough to actually produce visible rapids. Using this technique would certainly go a long way into making that happen, especially if the chosen water source blocks were cranked up to a stupid amount, like *ten* for instance. Then again, going that high could easily flood the whole map even with this trick, and prove nothing in the end except that some ideas only make one seem a complete nutter. That said, I'm looking forward to the next episode of Beaver Castle, Skye! I can't wait to see what sorts of insanity you come up with next!

[@bakkerarjen]

Is it just me or is this just how water supposed to behave in real world? 1) water is not compressible as it also not in T. You start with height of .3 and this 5 times you let it combine unrestricted and get a height of 1.5 not very impressive but normal as 0.3x5=1.5. You just transfer width to height. Just water mathematics, as in CS lane mathematics 2) when you restrict the flow it must build height. 3) the height does not just drop after the waterwheel, but has build up before it (without the wheel the height was 1.5) and than start to normalise after the wheel because it has no restrictions any more, that’s why it’s lower 4) the important thing though is that you can detect flow increases at the waterwheel, probably because of the wheel it increases flow and height. I think that is how normal (open) flowing water should behave to, I’m not sure, I’m not a water engineer. 5) so the wheel must be a restriction of some sorts, otherwise the water wouldn’t behave differently at the wheel. Not very surprising though, should I unsub? Naah. It’s and a very very nice demo of the mechanics of T. And a good example of what a nice game it is 😊 NB: I tried lots and lots of whaterwheels once, and my flow completely stopt and build height (overflowed my canal). But discovered if you build in drops of height you counter this somewhat, didn’t have the time to figure it out then but it’s noteworthy I guess and good to research further.

[@gareth14111984]

Simple applications of Science (and a little plumbing)…. *inhales cigarette* ahh... bliss XD

[@lenin972]

Very cool. I'm predicting the water-wheel power plant's pumps are going to be worked on to get the same effect

[@fermitupoupon1754]

It's kinda hard to impress me in this case, as I already knew this. I made a rather ugly, yet effective staircase of 5 large water wheels, which essentially powered my entire village.

[@syyntax]

Nice, was looking for how to increase flow rates yesterday.. and you nailed it. :) thank you.

[@kilis1332]

I love seeing your enthusiasm for figuring this out and i don't want to be a buzz kill but you don't need that stair like setup at the beginning. Simply having a 2 tile deep trench with enough of a backlog like you mentioned is enough to get the exact same effect. It certainly looks nicer than a plain 2 tile deep trench, but its not needed.

[@BattleUnit3]

Not gonna lie, i was impressed, especially by you creating the equivelant of a giant water cannon/j

[@X4R80]

I hope no beaver accidentally steps into that 😮

[@PreacherwithoutaPulpit]

Knowing a little about how water reacts to being compressed in tubing/pipes you didn't really blow my mind but why on earth would I unsubscribe. You did a very good job of showing and explaining how in Timberborn the engine/code defines Hydrodynamics which is awesome. You've given me so many ideas for when I finally get around to playing the game and I can promise I'll name my perpetual power generation water wheel district the Skye Born and they will be located as high on the map as I can get them. I will not only use the compression of water you've shown here but I will attempt to add compression/step down channels to see if I can get it to ramp even higher. Maybe that will work maybe it won't as I'm sure there's a max designated in the code but then again maybe not...

[@burntw170]

This water and water wheel physics are on the older version of the game. Latest version of water and water wheel physics have changed. It would be great if you can do a comparison video.

[@frost8936]

I tried with 0.3.5 and it still holds true

[@truckerdanvideos]

Hey skye, haven't started the video yet but hows your mum? Did the surgery go well?

[@SkyeStorme]

Yes it did! All good .. I'll give a full update in the next video :)

[@v.demonaco3718]

id be impressed at anyone else doing it, from you we expect greatness. thank you for sharing.

[@sparking023]

I have a vague understanding of water physics but this sounds about what I would expect from IRL water behavior, very neat detail to have in the game. Also Mind: blown

[@KK-lf3np]

Gotta admit, I was a little sceptical at first, but you changed my mind. Also I cringed when you said " Stairs or Platforms will reduce flow rate " Im so glad you proved that once and for all!

[@bummer01]

I was wondering about the water wheel since I keep on hitting the same issue in stacking them and the once behind keeps on getting low CMS flow. Now I know the math a bit to make them more efficient, many thanks for that info.

[@CraigH999]

Just found this channel this week - new subscriber! Lots of Timberborn fun and information!

[@DanielVCOliveira]

That single waterwheel can substitute the entirety of the perpetual motion machine

[@Whitify]

Great video! Hope your mom is feeling better!

[@SkyeStorme]

Yes! Thank you!

[@Starsong28]

Awesome exploration of the water physics! I can't wait to implement some of this in my next build!

[@michaelplowman8674]

This is like putting your thumb over the end of a water hose. The water is going to flow at the same volume and by decreasing the area the only way to keep the volume is to increase the rate of flow.

[@prowlerpunk]

Thank you for the effort in explaining things to us... This will help me loads in getting things set around my map

[@Taolan8472]

Technically you can't actually "compress" water, but i understand your use of the term to refer to reducing the cross-section of the flow to increase the rate of flow. You did not blow my mind, the timberborn devs blew my mind by allowing this to happen (i daresay its an intentional mechanic even), but I will like the video and stay subbed because :P

[@TTIOttio]

This was awesome - can’t wait to see what you do with it ^^

[@joe35]

I started wtching this series yesterday and was watching the last video when you posted this one. Really good stuff

[@matheww9944]

You've done it again. How your brain works these things out astounds me every time.

[@ssterlini]

I am impressed... said to myself at the beginning of the video there was no chance that I'd be impressed and ended up commenting... love your content!!!

[@Dalhorn]

Noble prize for compressing water.

[@tonywilliamson8882]

Amazing work and very simple to follow along. Thank you Sir.

[@joakimeide6777]

Thanks for good content and smart solutions! Looking forward to trying it myself

[@danser_theplayer01]

Irl water really doesn't want to compress, I didn't know this water can. You basically engineered a hydroelectric power plant.

[@davidjenkins9651]

It looks like he's not really compressing the total volume of the water; he is just increasing the speed of the stream so the same amount of flow can fit through a smaller opening.

[@danser_theplayer01]

@@davidjenkins9651 Well if you look at the gauges yes but I thought 10 blocks of water would produce water level of 10.

[@cmilkau]

Did some more science. A water tile fits 6.66... cbm. To make a 10 (or 13.333...) cbm channel you only have to ensure there are two independent flows of water in any shape that don't cross or merge. They can be stacked, touching, or separate.

[@triskelionchi3747]

Then all you need to do on a fresh map is gather the water sources into a singular channel then compress and transport it as the flowing heart beat of your Beaver colony. Good back bone for infrastructure. Could do a lot with this. Hope to see you make use of the Skystorm effect with your iron teeth play through.

[@aayyyooooo]

Wow. Skye you've done it. I subscribed. The timberborne water physics are awesome!

[@SkyeStorme]

Welcome to the channel :)

[@thomasjamescharnock]

Wow the sky storm effect is genius I can’t wait to try it in game 👍

[@aleek4481]

I would have thought that wasn't possible. Good job Skye!

[@KrunchyKat]

This is brilliant stuff, next time I am in the bath I am going to recreate this with a loofah and rubber ducks ;)

[@dawntowe5799]

I have been compressing water I knew it made it flow faster but didn't understand completely how so that was really nice info thanks I understand it a little better now👍👍😃

[@yaqxs]

On the Beaverome map I cut off the big lake with the mine and channelled all the water into a three by two canal, and I got like 330hp at most water wheels.

[@queryalways]

w00w :D very impressive!! I love when people take the time to explain how the dynamics work. :D Thank you for sharing the knowledge you learn with us :)

[@wolframstahl1263]

So if waterwheels don't reduce flow, but they do reduce height, does that mean you can use them to further compress the waterflow? You started with 1.5 high water in a 2 high channel (and talked about even higher flow rate in a 3 high channel with 2.2 water height). Could you use water wheels to compress almost any arbitrary water flow into a 1 wide, 1 high channel?

[@wild_lee_coyote]

The flow doesn’t change so if you need the same flow rate but a lower hight then yes. It will not increase the flow rate though, so you are not really compressing it any more, just shaving the top off.

[@Orlunu]

It's a funnel, and there's no compression the water is just going faster so it covers a longer distance per second (so instead of being five times the height over that second, it's five times the length).

[@theatrefan06]

What a fun mic drop moment for you! Love that for you!!

[@ranno44]

Skye, I have tested it and I found that what ever you do before your canal dose not make any changes. Exit from canal does. In my test, if you end your canal bluntly, let's say it is 1 wide 2 deep and it ends in 1 deeper 5 wide river, or what ever, It will overflow. But if you make a T shape or extend canal bottom by 2 blocks it will increase flow and you will not overflow. What you need before your canal is some sort of reservoir, because it will overflow until water reaches at the end of the canal. End of the canal will increase flow and you see water lvl droping backwards towards the beginning of the canal and then the reservoir. Reservoir needs to be able to store water until this happens or it will overflow a bit. And then I figured out how to turn the canal with the same flow, but you need to drop by 1lvl every time you turn. Sad I can't share pictures here, I am not sure if I explained clearly enough.

[@stormwraith3501]

Wow, and thanks. Lovely little bit of engineering there. :)

[@Griz1231]

If it's shown to be an exploit, the developers will make changes. When I came up with the perpetual energy machine 14 months ago, you could narrow the channel down to 1 block before and after each water wheel to increase flow and therefore power out. It was quickly changed.

[@Lee1978R]

Never doubt Skye.. he will always find a way 😂💙👍🏻

[@picklerick8760]

well you made a promise and delivered, hope this still works i see im about a year late to this video lol

[@Valkrss]

When I was watching your perpetual hydro generator, I had seen something about how reducing channel width "increased pressure" and thought that was your plan all along.

[@petersmith5886]

I waited way to long for a video yesterday 😭🤣 love this series!

[@AussieRonkey]

Every time you said "the water is being compressed" my eye twitched...

[@ThingsWhichArentWork]

Please make a 10vms single-wie waterfall into the highborn reservoir. I bet it would look amazing.

[@TheLoiteringKid]

The water wheel added .03 height upstream after it had settled to 10 flow, the water wheel didn't lower flow, but is clearly adding resistance

[@justinsinke2088]

I haven't tried that level of terraforming to get that level of concentrated flow, but at the very least ever since they updated the water physics I've always built all my water wheel in mini-channels created with levies, because it seemed perfectly logical to me with how they said the new water flow system worked, that forcing a river into a smaller area would increase the pressure in that area, and increased pressure with an outlet would create a stronger current, which would then generate more power. Pretty much the principal used by some hydroelectric dams, pretty sure. Huh...I recall back in the dev diary when they made that update, they said waterwheels reduced flow, in part as a way to reduce the effectiveness of just filling an entire river with nothing but waterwheels (which I and I'm sure many people did prior to the water physics update). I took that dev diary at face value, but it seems they misspoke as to what effect waterwheels have on water flowing into them. If it affects the height instead of the flow, too many waterwheels in a concentrated channel sounds like it might cause flooding, as the water has to be redistributing somewhere; wouldn't make sense that with enough waterwheels you'd reduce the height to 0 and dry up the river.

[@Headshriker]

your package of yorkshire tea is on the way to you

[@Lesaucissondujour]

It's only fair that you know, unsub was never on the table

[@SkyeStorme]

Haha .. thanks Nat :)

[@moremer66]

gotta say it, you can get another water starting point in there. If you add .3 depth you will be at 1.8 water column and 12 cms

[@dougc9130]

There is also a flow limit over a fall, if there is a change in tile elevation the flow rate is limited to 2.2 per side. You have a 3 across channel with a drop, drop height doesn't matter as long as it's 1 or more, that would be 6.6 flow limit since you had 10 going in it will back up at the fall and overflow. Also water flow has no depth it's only calculated at the surface, the outflow elevation controls the depth.