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How to Hit the Next Gen Forehand - Tennis Lesson

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@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
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@evancarney9463
@evancarney9463 3 жыл бұрын
how do you feel about berretini and mussetti ? both seem like closed off racquet face
@LetsBuildThatApp
@LetsBuildThatApp 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed, this forehand is a great option for those that cannot master the modern forehand technique. Once I switched more to this "next-gen" take back, I was able to find the contact point and power much more consistently over a week of practice. For us club players, I feel experimentation is really important and finding what works can be a lot of fun the moment you see progress.
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
Well said my man, enjoying the process is what it's all about. Thanks for the feedback and for watching!
@The77dwarf
@The77dwarf 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you guys for the video and the explanations. Since I saw that on your site and others I have tried to practice the concept of the "next Gen" Forehand and to do similar change in Backhand. If I get it right the main outcome of the style change is a Whip motion that give you much more spin and power - resulting in more aggressive Tennis. After some practice it pays and I love to see the changes ! :-). Some questions on the down sides of the technique are: 1st - reduced stability - I would like some tips on how to improve control on this style (beside practice); 2nd - how to handle hard balls where quicker and shorter preparation is beneficial (like serve returns etc.); 3rd - how to improve versatility and disguise - with flat, slice and drop shots with this style; 4th - last but not least - the physical pressure on the hand joint is increased no doubts on including shoulder, elbow and wrist - while it is understood that the responsibility choosing this style more and not risking yourself is on the player - or at least on the direct coach - you may want to provide some fitness drills to support that by strengthening the muscles and how to help people keep the motion within the reasonable limits and avoid "over hitting" that may increase the risk; Thank you again for the great video and in advance for your response Omri
@room1recording
@room1recording 3 жыл бұрын
Been shadowing my fh like this for weeks now. Best I’ve never hit it.
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
haha, it all starts with a vision my friend!
@Johnstage
@Johnstage 2 жыл бұрын
The nexgen forehand’s key difference isn’t just the way they point the head towards to opponent or elbow position…etc, but more importantly imho, it’s the delayed timing and hyper acceleration of the loop by actively supination into lag and pronation shoulder internal rotation in the forward part of the stroke. The interval between stretching and contraction in the SSC is much briefer and more efficient than the more leisurely slot position in the modern forehand. The nexgen accelerates more rapidly through the loop. Timing is more critical but they can pull off more power especially on the full run with this abbreviated technique.
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback here John. Good stuff!
@SMC-Wellness
@SMC-Wellness 2 жыл бұрын
WOW!!!!! With this video I finally understand how to time and simplify the next gen forehand, I was always so unsure of myself when crushing the forehand and this simple technique opened up everything for me!!!! THANK YOU GUYS KEEP IT UP!!!!
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 2 жыл бұрын
Pumped to hear it was helpful! Thanks for the feedback 💪
@SirChris1372
@SirChris1372 2 жыл бұрын
Next gen grip is great for adding pace and superior spin, aggressive deep spin I used to player with an Eastern grip still do on certain shots naturally, but my main grip in next gen a hybrid between a semi and full western grip, I can hit with much more spin and pace and hit a very heavy ball, that many dont like returning, most of the time I get a higher ball and have time to load up and then unleash a winner in any direction, but with the added spin can push the opponents outside the alleys really easily with more margin for error with more topspin,
@PLRNZOO
@PLRNZOO 3 жыл бұрын
I think loading the shoulder is the catalyst for the next-gen forehand. The wrist is also allowed to be neutral at the take back. Where as on the modern forehand, the shoulder is relaxed and the wrist is extended on take-back. Results in more whip. kiddos need that RHS for their lighter racquets. Auger-Alliasime has a swing weight in the 330s.
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
That's great feedback, appreciate the additional info!
@carlodave9
@carlodave9 Жыл бұрын
It will be interesting to see how next-gen hitters’ arms hold up after 12 years. The elbow torques heavily from rotation into follow through. And the Sinner whip-back/reload is a recipe for future tendon problems.
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt Жыл бұрын
Agree there’s reason for concern, hopefully the new crop of players stay healthy and we can enjoy there games for a long time into the future
@themrstroke
@themrstroke 7 ай бұрын
That is very interesting this inversion thing. I am a bit confused though, as it seems to me players that do this, like Sinner, it seems to complicate the forehand, and take more time. My favorites of the young guys forehands are Tsitsipas and Rublev, who keep the strings of the racquet not inverted, more off to the side, followed by the lag, kind of a updated Del Po forehand to me. This type of forehand to me is better for taking the ball on the rise.
@CarlPendlePhotos
@CarlPendlePhotos 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant. I use this technique with an inside out movement and works really well.
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
No doubt the next gen forehand from the left of center position (assuming your righty) can be a potent combo! Thanks for watching and the feedback Carl!
@Triggerboy62
@Triggerboy62 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting.... I've put down a lot of time relearning tennis a few years ago by trying to nail that modern ATP forehand. And I did a very good job of it, I improved massively. However, this is not something entirely different to the modern forehand. It is in fact just a small twist to it. I dont know how familiar you are with the "turn the door knob" wrist movement as you strike at the ball. Well, this way of taking your racket back allows you to dismiss that movement and only rely on rotating your whole arm as one package. With the modern forehand you had to do both. At different rates. Kind of difficult. Tried it out today against the wall due to lock down restrictions and must say that it improved my strokes quite a bit. I got back some of that whip of the racket head that I had lost as a result of trying to be more consistent. Now I was hitting the ball harder and more consistent. Really nice video. Thank you for sharing. Cant wait to take this out on the court and kick some butt :)
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
Love the feedback, we're thrilled to hear the instruction helped! Keep us posted on the progress.
@martyknox
@martyknox 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure I agree with this take. What's being referred to as the 'modern forehand', being the racquet tip up takeback, dropping, then and making contact with the ball with a straight extended elbow is really only practiced by a handful of players - Nadal, Federer, Tsisipas and possibly Thiem. Nadal used to have the conventional loop in his early career but has since simplified the motion by eliminating excess movement by dropping the racquet into position by tucking in his elbow following the takeback. The 'next-gen' forehand is essentially a slight deviation of the classic forehand (big looping takeback and making ball contact with a bent elbow) with the only real major difference being the racquet head pointing direction being more exaggerated. This stroke style has been practiced before and throughout Federer and Nadal's by the majority of players so again, I'm not sure how this is next-gen.
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
We appreciate the different perspective. Although some differences are primarily in regards to style, there is functional components that separate the two strokes. Discussion is always welcomed though, thanks for watching!
@-Munditimum-
@-Munditimum- 3 жыл бұрын
I would be interested to see the RPM difference between the two styles. I have tried both of these and find I can actually generate more power and last longer (with my delts and also maybe because I use an eastern grip?) moving the "old fashioned" way for sure. Otherwise great to see you guys and thank you always for the rich content! Cheers!
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
It's hard to beat the modern forehand. If it's good enough for the big 3 it's good enough for this mere mortal. Will be interesting to see how the mechanics play out in the future and to see what is the dominant style. For now it looks like they're both here to stay for awhile! Thanks for watching Munditimum!
@jessalvo6375
@jessalvo6375 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks guys…..been waiting for this confirmation .
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
Our pleasure!
@crunchycousin5986
@crunchycousin5986 2 жыл бұрын
My daughter uses internal rotation for softball pitching, this is almost the exact same movement.
@Tw1stedAce
@Tw1stedAce 3 жыл бұрын
The Next Gen Forehand actually appears very similar to Roddick's forehand not just in the backswing, but also in how the forehand is primarily hit from an open stance.
@Tw1stedAce
@Tw1stedAce 3 жыл бұрын
@@davidrieger8816 Not sure about Kyrgios and Sock, but I believe Roddick used a variant of the semi-western grip. I'd say the semi-western grip is preferable as it allows for flat hitting as well while the full western grip basically results in you having to whip the racquet to the extreme to put pace on the ball. That said the primary difference between Roddick's forehand and Kyrgios/Sock/etc... is that Roddick used to get more power/pace into the shot because he moved his bodyweight better into his shots than many of the Next-gen players who primarily use their wrist. If you pay close attention he used his legs to create a sort of coiling jump through the shot which allowed for more power and consistent in front of the body hitting. From what I've seen in the video, Shapovalov also sets up his forehand with his legs.
@Tw1stedAce
@Tw1stedAce 3 жыл бұрын
​@@davidrieger8816 I suppose you are correct, Roddick never really did manage to put away the slow low balls sliced into his forehand. I always just assumed Roddick used a semi-western variation since he frequently (at least early on) had a tendency to hit very flat shots with his forehand, something which is rather difficult with a western grip.
@AndreS-of4gp
@AndreS-of4gp 9 ай бұрын
"The big takeaway for you as a coach to sort of get in the correct joint position" wasn't applyable with the younger guy in last. He makes the unit turn as well as the raquet tip facing kind of to the opponent (and a bit upward to the sky) before the takeback. This feels much better when converting from the modern forehand for me than when I tried the unit turn with the inverted alternative, with hand separation. Am I missing something here 🤔🤔, thank you for the always great videos! 🤗
@joseh899
@joseh899 2 жыл бұрын
Next gen forehand feel's great when you execute it properly, but for the typical club player who can't play more than 3 day's a week, it's hard to be consistent, because of the longer lever, timing, etc But for the young seious player, A GREAT OPTION, produces a heavy topspin ball👏👏👍👍🎾🎾🎾🎾
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 2 жыл бұрын
Well said my man!
@jesamp1
@jesamp1 3 жыл бұрын
Does it matter if you’re using eastern or western grip? Will one work better than another or just depends on the hitter?
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
Semi-western or western would be the preference. Thanks for the question!
@goodwinholley9986
@goodwinholley9986 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidrieger8816 monfils,shapo, and kyrgios use semi western or eastern. quit spreading mis information. I know lots people who invert their hand with semi western. federer’s hand is almost inverted because of his eastern grip but closed racquet face
@sunnut2008
@sunnut2008 3 жыл бұрын
You have to be careful of separating your hands as described because this forehand can turn into a "slap" which results in less topspin. Both forehands need to dip below the ball before contact.
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
Fair assessment Tom and we agree, the hands inverting should be used as a training tool in order to find the shape of the stroke but in time the front hand inverting should be removed. Thanks for the feedback and for watching!
@robertonunez1085
@robertonunez1085 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting!! Thank you very much guys !!
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@khoido593
@khoido593 3 жыл бұрын
Does the next gen forehand leave you more prone to injuries though? So not a good trade off right?
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
Only time will tell my friend. Too small of a sample size to know for sure. Thanks for watching!
@BenPhanStudios
@BenPhanStudios 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome thanks guys!
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 2 жыл бұрын
Our pleasure, thanks for watching!
@RolandGArros-vs1jr
@RolandGArros-vs1jr 3 жыл бұрын
great stuff guys
@yasim9435
@yasim9435 3 жыл бұрын
May I ask you to show slow motion view from above the player so the trajectory of hand could be understood?
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
We'll definitely keep that in mind moving forward!
@evancarney9463
@evancarney9463 3 жыл бұрын
amazing video. i prefer to have my palm up with the left hand almost like holding a glass
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Evan, glad you enjoyed it!
@ruipedro4195
@ruipedro4195 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for your video. For me, when I play tournaments or represent my club team, what is difficult is to plan my day for a lot of things to do. Program my day to get up, eat, digest, warm up, play competitive tennis and recover. I have so much to do, that I do not do what is important. I happened to have three matches in one day and it was not easy to plan my day and prepare to play the semi-finals the next morning. I hope this gives you some suggestions for a new video, which can help a lot of people. Thanks.
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Rui, love the suggestion for a video! We have instruction on periodization and peaking for performance coming out soon up but we'll definitely put your suggestion in the queue! Thanks for the feedback and for watching!
@lrebsten7155
@lrebsten7155 5 ай бұрын
The more things change the more things stay exactly the same. Maybe most people are not old enough to remember - think 55+ years and up generation. But growing up, so many young males and adult males at the recreational level were doing THIS EXACT SAME THING … only to have coaches beat it out of them and force them into Bjorn Borg type stokes and deride any deviations. People at the recreational level were doing this in 1982!! And kids were doing this because - back then we did not have great slow motion cameras back then - and kids could not see what was actually going on. But people liked the, “Buggy Whip Forehands”, back in the day. It only took the pro’s 40 years to catch up with what the recreational players have been doing. 😂
@mikealbert728
@mikealbert728 3 жыл бұрын
Is this the forehand Sinner is using? He puts a lot of pace on his shots to be a 19yo with a thin build.
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Mike, no doubt Sinner stings the ball! Sinner uses a modern forehand on his forehand technique. Young but perhaps old at heart. Proof that the modern forehand isn't going anywhere any time soon! 😊
@NB-wl5wl
@NB-wl5wl 3 жыл бұрын
Sinner definitely uses the “next-gen” forehand. Look at his take back. Don’t know why these guys misled you after having made a tutorial showing the difference?
@sebastiansantos5561
@sebastiansantos5561 Жыл бұрын
​@@NB-wl5wlagree¡! Sinner is a next gen forehand because in the take back he inverted the racket
@Slipfrolife
@Slipfrolife 2 жыл бұрын
All these next gen forehand takebacks reminds me somehow Ivan Lend forehand but with full loop move
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 2 жыл бұрын
Great call, Ivan was definitely one of the first to draw the forehand back with the elbow. He absolutely hammered the ball!
@meitoli
@meitoli Жыл бұрын
hi! is this works with wester grip too?
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt Жыл бұрын
That it does!
@ThanhThanh-fx1pe
@ThanhThanh-fx1pe 3 жыл бұрын
More video. snap and lag wrist, please
@ntnnot
@ntnnot 3 жыл бұрын
Don't think people should be learning this. Or I'd question why would you want to go this route? Not sure if this is true, but what I've read is that juniors have been using lighter racquets (compared to how it was before) which has enabled them to learn this kind of technique with a more active wrist while growing up. Would not have been possible using heavier racquets at a young age. The best hitters around the ATP seem to use the modern FH. Personally think this so called Next Gen FH is just overly complicated and will make you rush things when the opponent takes time away, or when the pace of the rally increases, thus likelier to break down. Why fix sth (the modern FH) that isn't broken... E.g. Sinner, Auger-Aliassime and Rublev use the modern one. Thiem used to have more of a Next Gen style FH, but changed to a simpler one (i.e. the modern) and has had better results with it, particularly on the faster courts.
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
It definitely comes down to personal preference. It's tough to argue against the modern forehand being the standard. Regardless the next gen forehand is abundant in the elite collegiate & junior ranks so it has its place. Only time will tell but if I was a betting man the modern forehand will prevail. Thanks for the feedback and for watching!
@1234tellmewhatyourlookingfor
@1234tellmewhatyourlookingfor 3 жыл бұрын
I played in the 1970s, on hard court. The eastern grio was the fundemental grip. Now as a senior i play on clay and find that increased topspin is a absoloute nessisity. I just cannot get even the modern grip. When you mentioned droping into the slot, I got a Real tip that i havent heard before. As well when you demonstrated the raquet being veritcal on the beginning of back swing, i think i have gotten solid advise now. Thanks I will subscribe.
@felipao2134
@felipao2134 2 жыл бұрын
Is sinner forehand like next gen?
@sebastiansantos5561
@sebastiansantos5561 Жыл бұрын
Sinner forehand is a next gen forehand not modern
@ariurip3751
@ariurip3751 3 жыл бұрын
The funkiness reminds me of Gulbis' mechanics
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
Gulbis definitely had one of the funkiest forehands the game has ever seen 😬. He has changed it finally, irocially his ranking "changed" as well. Thanks for watching!
@Robust2013
@Robust2013 3 жыл бұрын
I use a combination in my FH think.
@nigee_219
@nigee_219 2 жыл бұрын
The inverted palms really made it click for me.
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped Nigel!
@pakchu2
@pakchu2 2 жыл бұрын
Can you use the eastern grip with the next gen forehand?
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 2 жыл бұрын
You can but they are much less common. Thanks for watching!
@Miguel-eq8en
@Miguel-eq8en 3 жыл бұрын
What about switching both depending on the situation? MF and NGF? Is it possible? Is it efficient?
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Miguel, It really wouldn't be ideal. Creating two different sets of muscle memory for particular shots would result in erratic play. The form a player chooses is ingrained and it can take a long time to change one's form. When in doubt the modern forehand will most likely be your weapon of choice! Thanks for the question and for watching!
@dennywu35
@dennywu35 3 жыл бұрын
Isn’t this literally the kyrigios forehand. I’ve been doing this forehand since I was in HS but I just always called it the modern forehand
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
The Kyrgios forehand would definitely be classified as a Next Gen forehand. Slight variation from Shapo's but certainly much different than that of Nadal, Fed etc. Keep crushing those forehands!
@jstenniscoaching579
@jstenniscoaching579 2 жыл бұрын
What grip is best to use with this style
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 2 жыл бұрын
With this particular take back and swing style the western grips are best utilized. We have seen some eastern forehands that work as well but far less of them. Thanks for watching!
@chrisf247
@chrisf247 3 жыл бұрын
What do you think about how Thiem has changed his forehand over the years? It seems like he started off firmly in the next-gen category, but now points the racquet more upwards.
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
That's a great insight Chris. We have an analysis video coming out very soon discussing the difference between his two forehand swing paths over the years. In short, I'll say it was certainly necessary as Thiem had one of the largest loops on tour which forced him to play too far back in the court. Stay tuned for the vid where we take a deep dive on the specific changes in his mechanics. Thanks for watching!
@ntnnot
@ntnnot 3 жыл бұрын
Was just commenting about this. Looks like Thiem changed from Next Gen to a modern one, which is simpler and more abbreviated and thus likely better suited for faster conditions.
@z1az285
@z1az285 3 жыл бұрын
@@ntnnot Exactly, which is one of the reasons for his recent success on hard courts. He still gets plenty of rpms though.
@ArcheCane
@ArcheCane 3 жыл бұрын
It's still pretty much a next-gen forehand, however more compact.
@ntnnot
@ntnnot 3 жыл бұрын
@@ArcheCane No, it really is a modern one these days kzbin.info/www/bejne/emTcdZysf9-MiKM See the wrist and arm positions; where the racquet tip is pointing; and the loop. It's rather like the one by Nadal in this video as opposed to the Shapovalov one (which Thiem used to have before: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnbXY4CQatVmfMU )
@sebastiansantos5561
@sebastiansantos5561 Жыл бұрын
With which grip works better the next gen forehand¿?
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt Жыл бұрын
Western grips will work the best. Semi-western is ideal
@sebastiansantos5561
@sebastiansantos5561 11 күн бұрын
Some videos said extreme semi level 4.5 western or even western level 5 is that true?¿
@user-go8oj4dl4w
@user-go8oj4dl4w 3 жыл бұрын
Do those using the next gen style switch to a modern technique when they're driving a FH return? Seems like it would be quicker to execute and therefore an advantage for certain returns.
@BullyGarfield.
@BullyGarfield. 3 жыл бұрын
Which wilson blade does Coach Nate have? (16x19 or 18x20)
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, I play with the 16x19 but I gotta admit, I tried the tighter string bed and enjoyed it as well.
@frankmcchrystal4029
@frankmcchrystal4029 3 жыл бұрын
Recognizing that keeping the tool on the front side of the coronal plane is instinctive and non negotiable, the arms race is now about creative ways to produce more speed within that parameter. The instinctive brain operates best when you "keep your work in front of you", tennis and golf. Keeping it on the front side and maxing out speed will no doubt lead to some funky stuff that, on the surface, looks like extra non functional baggage. The caution flag is all about that dirty word "timing" and at what point the extra motion (even though it's on the front side) becomes a cause of inconsistency.
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
Well said Frank. Keeping things in front of you and the info on the dirty word of timing was spot on. Please tell us the "arms race" was an intentional pun! 🤣
@FairwayJack
@FairwayJack 3 жыл бұрын
good stuff
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
Thank ya sir, much appreciated!
@Audimann
@Audimann 3 жыл бұрын
Tried it but my Wilson Pro Staff 85 refuses😁
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
lol, totally get it!
@Kiauze
@Kiauze 3 жыл бұрын
Next gen? I was seeing variations of this as long as 20 years ago. o.O
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
You're not wrong Tiago. Leading with the elbow was made popular by Sampras, Lendl, and even Laver. The mechanics are a bit more specialized these days and are now being instructed by coaches, hence the label "next gen" since we're seeing the new crop of players using it more often. Thanks for watching!
@grimson
@grimson 3 жыл бұрын
1:40 "We're not talking about drawing back the elbow per se" Damn, this dude speaks Latin
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
🤣....and that would be the extent of the Latin I know.
@bounce_hit3534
@bounce_hit3534 3 жыл бұрын
I think its a shame a lot of strokes are starting to look the same. Why no one talk about Simon, Haas, and Nalbandian forehands? They are so simple and more importantly easily taught. If you play a flat game (WHICH IS OKAY) these modern forehands are arse
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
Fair point..no doubt the above mentioned forehands are worthy of mention but tough to put them in the same category as the Nadal or Fed forehand..or refer to them as arse 🤣. Agreed however, the flat forehand is worth discussing. Thanks for the feedback and for watching!
@bounce_hit3534
@bounce_hit3534 3 жыл бұрын
@@Playyourcourt Good point. Hope I didn't come off as too inflammatory. Great content!
@pilecajuha1
@pilecajuha1 3 жыл бұрын
IMO inferior techinque in comparison to "modern FH" in terms of precision, as torso is rotating through the contact point unlike in modern FH where is still. However it provides a bit more power and spin.
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
All good points Vedran, thanks for watching!
@cactuschef5229
@cactuschef5229 Жыл бұрын
The question is why would you want to? Complicated technique, too light racquets (static and SW), stiff polys and racquets, places a low ceiling on the forehand. Fed, Rafa, Djokovic, Stan; all far better examples to emulate.
@poida007
@poida007 3 жыл бұрын
Best forehand on the tour is Delpo and it’s not NextGen and it’s hit with an Eastern grip.
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
Indeed it is not. Tough to argue the excellence of the Delpo forehand. No doubt its top 3 and maybe even the best ever.
@poida007
@poida007 3 жыл бұрын
@@Playyourcourt Federer said it's the best FH for juniors and adults to copy. He doesn't recommend anyone try to copy his, saying it's too complex.
@chemasevilla1
@chemasevilla1 Жыл бұрын
Traducir al español plis
@lucasoscar
@lucasoscar 3 жыл бұрын
I wont be able to learn this on a million years... i get my elbow so high on my back like i want to hit someone attacking me from behind xD
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
It's certainly not for everyone. The modern forehand is still a phenomenal weapon and it will remain to be seen whether the next gen forehand holds up over time. Keep swinging at em!
@lucasoscar
@lucasoscar 3 жыл бұрын
@@Playyourcourt i meant i cant possibly do it since i have already settle on my mechanics its too late for me. Not that there was a problem with the technique
@-Munditimum-
@-Munditimum- 3 жыл бұрын
@@lucasoscar Don't give up on yourself my friend. Biomechanics are the same as habits and can change through conscious repetition through effort. Not easy, just like habits, but you can do it. Cheers!
@lucasoscar
@lucasoscar 3 жыл бұрын
@@-Munditimum- man im 37, and pretty content with my strokes, my comment was to point out it was too much difference between techniques, the investement wont be worth the efforts
@-Munditimum-
@-Munditimum- 3 жыл бұрын
@@lucasoscar You're still young; don't count yourself out that way. However, at the end of it all, If you're happy with it and it serves your purpose that's what it's about (at least for me).
@darrensurrey
@darrensurrey 3 жыл бұрын
How come you didn't mention grip? Isn't this relevant?
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
It certainly is my man however we had done another vid on the next gen forehand where we talked about the grips in depth so we wanted to focus on something a bit different here. The next gen forehand is almost exclusively using the semi-western or western grip where as the modern FH utilizes the Westerns and the Eastern grip. Hope this helps!
@darrensurrey
@darrensurrey 3 жыл бұрын
@@Playyourcourt I thought so. Can't get on with the Sock grip. Feels like I'm flapping weakly, although massive topspin - so big, the ball landed before the net. 😅
@reuelray
@reuelray 3 жыл бұрын
Dominique Thiem.. the next gen show pony missing from video. 🤷‍♂️
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
He actually changed his next gen forehand and it now operates much more under the style of the modern forehand. That in itself would make for good content though, thanks for the nudge in the right direction! 😉
@reuelray
@reuelray 3 жыл бұрын
@@Playyourcourt are you serious? Even though I am from the 'baby boomer' generation (Boomer, I like that), I have been trying to nail the next gen forehand and I'm using multiple clips from Dominique. So now by circumstance, you are obligated to show (at least me), 👴 the change he made. Thank you in advance..😁 Obtw: although I am fat, broke down with one foot and four toes in the grave, I still gots a full head of 'hare' and plenty of 'Boomer' power.😯
@michaelthomas366
@michaelthomas366 3 жыл бұрын
Next generation technique? Give me a break! Why not call it the post-modern forehand?
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
ummm, sorry Mike. We didn't name it but we'll pass on the name change recommendation!
@AutoMotivatedTV
@AutoMotivatedTV 3 жыл бұрын
This is all nonsense! This is not a NEW forehand. It is simply the same as the difference between Federer and Nadal you refer to as "stylistic differences" No two forehands look the same and probably all of them modeled the same "modern forehand" in practice until what developed became instinctual, normal, or muscle memory. Stylistic. .. Neither Shapovalov nor the "up and coming junior" "simultaneously invert" their hands! It doesn't seem they invert their hands at all. Did you watch your own video? - Neither palm ever faces the net! And neither move their hand forward until the racquet starts moving forward. .. Same with the serve. The basic pronated serve technique is 100 years old. But everybodies serve has stylistic differences.
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
Oh come on Mike, play nice. If you watched the video you would have heard us say that inverting the non-hitting hand was only a training tool in order to learn the swing path of the next gen forehand. Agree sometime it's just stylistic differences and a lot of time the key fundamentals are in place regardless of the style but the forehand of Shapovalov and Nadal couldn't be much more different. Appreciate the feedback and engagement with the vid.
@L.C.Sweeney
@L.C.Sweeney 2 жыл бұрын
How to draw out a lesson like a God. Fuck sake JUST TELL ME WHAT IT IS.
@BO-kh1iz
@BO-kh1iz 2 жыл бұрын
Hit the ball early, the rest ist overhyped nonsense by youtubers to sell more videos.
@frankbonajr
@frankbonajr 2 жыл бұрын
More Spain.
@smokinjoe4684
@smokinjoe4684 3 жыл бұрын
I started swinging the next gen forehand on accident.
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
Do your thing Clint! Sampras, Lendl, and Laver all used similar mechanics and I doubt anyone instructed them to do so early on. Sometimes it's simply what feels natural! Thanks for watching!
@frankmcchrystal4029
@frankmcchrystal4029 3 жыл бұрын
It was no accident Clint. You gave your body the intention of creating more speed and your body responded. This is natural learning. The body leads the way and the brain catalogs "what hurts and what works".
@arunjetli3770
@arunjetli3770 2 жыл бұрын
You have not really explained the reason.Going with the fad is not logic. How about creating more power but how about maintains depth as Novak dies. Need mor research on this y Topic.
@thegefster1988
@thegefster1988 2 жыл бұрын
You are internally rotating the shoulder and therefore the rotator cuff... Very bad on this nex gen forehand. Stick to modern forehand. I coach tennis and have worked out for 40 years Terrible to pour on lateral raises which is what you did 20-25 years ago and that is exactly what you are doing to get those strings back facing the fence. When the thumb is down you are putting more stress on rotator and risking shoulder impingement or worse. Not good!
@1rustyboy1
@1rustyboy1 3 жыл бұрын
The next generation can't win slams. Stick with the mid 30 year olds forehands.
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
lol, the "mid 30" forehand. 🤣
@valdencorr2861
@valdencorr2861 3 жыл бұрын
next gen forehand?....you mean the chicken wing forehand? Fedal's forehand = the GOAT forehand technique, however it's so difficult no one does it.
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
Fedal..as in combining the technique of both Rafa and Fed?
@bisikleta1015
@bisikleta1015 3 жыл бұрын
Next GEN fh is ug af
@phillipstennis6224
@phillipstennis6224 2 жыл бұрын
Not 1 professional shown in this video does what the coach demonstrated. Horrible video.
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 2 жыл бұрын
It's a training method not a fundamental blueprint. Thanks for the warm and fuzzies though mate. 🥰
@The77dwarf
@The77dwarf 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you guys for the video and the explanations. Since I saw that on your site and others I have tried to practice the concept of the "next Gen" Forehand and to do similar change in Backhand. If I get it right the main outcome of the style change is a Whip motion that give you much more spin and power - resulting in more aggressive Tennis. After some practice it pays and I love to see the changes ! :-). Some questions on the down sides of the technique are: 1st - reduced stability - I would like some tips on how to improve control on this style (beside practice); 2nd - how to handle hard balls where quicker and shorter preparation is beneficial (like serve returns etc.); 3rd - how to improve versatility and disguise - with flat, slice and drop shots with this style; 4th - last but not least - the physical pressure on the hand joint is increased no doubts on including shoulder, elbow and wrist - while it is understood that the responsibility choosing this style more and not risking yourself is on the player - or at least on the direct coach - you may want to provide some fitness drills to support that by strengthening the muscles and how to help people keep the motion within the reasonable limits and avoid "over hitting" that may increase the risk; Thank you again for the great video and in advance for your response Omri
@Playyourcourt
@Playyourcourt 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Omri, appreciate you watching and the questions! As you can imagine our bandwidth for in depth questions are fairly limited. I try to give you some quick tips though for guidance. For in depth coaching be sure to checkout PlayYourCourt Plus on the website where Scott and I work with you directly and even offer video analysis! 1. Be sure your stabilizing your left side specifically the non hitting hand and not opening up the body to early. 2. On return of serve's you'll have to abbreviate the motion or move further back behind the baseline to receive more time. 3. Practice ;) 4. Be sure to work on stretching the arm and strengthening the core / thoracic spine and rotator cuff. Hope this helps my man!
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