How To Hold A Glide Slope - The SECRET that pro pilots know

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The Finer Points

The Finer Points

6 жыл бұрын

In this video, we review a technique that will help you nail precision approaches in IFR flying. Fly Your Best!
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@FlightChops
@FlightChops 6 жыл бұрын
Love these bite sized, real world training sessions!
@TheFinerPoints
@TheFinerPoints 6 жыл бұрын
FlightChops thanks Steve!
@jasonhurt2356
@jasonhurt2356 2 жыл бұрын
Quick reference technique: Take whatever your GS is and add a zero to it and then divide by two and that should be what you hold on your VVI. So if your GS is 200 knots, you add a zero and get 2000, then divide by two and you get 1000 ft/min on your VVI to hold the glideslope. This is helpful if you are changing your speeds based on configuration throughout the approach.
@warren5699
@warren5699 27 күн бұрын
Some pilots don't have GS displayed and besides groundspeeds can change drastically when there's a windshear somewhere along the descent. Why go through that extra unnecessary workload? Every pilot has all that is needed right on the panel - just follow the glideslope needle. That's all an autopilot does with perfect results every time.
@rallyden
@rallyden 5 жыл бұрын
I like your videos. With regards to GS and airspeed control, I respectfully suggest a 180 change from your method. I would trim/pitch for airspeed and throttle for GS. This is based on the excellent text “Aerodynamics for Naval Aviators.” Without going into a long winded discussion, if the plane is ultimately trimmed to 90, or any desired speed, then simply throttle for GS. If high, throttle back and if low, do the opposite. Try it. If stable and trimmed, you don’t even have to scan the airspeed and attitude indicators (But one should still scan it). Flying is then easy. I do this method from radio control airplanes, to all light aircraft that I fly and even the 737 at work.
@Alex-us2vw
@Alex-us2vw 5 жыл бұрын
That’s what we were also taught too at my flight school. Pitch controls speed, and power controls altitude.
@pilotandy_com
@pilotandy_com 4 жыл бұрын
That's what I teach my students. Pitch for airspeed, power for altitude. It works for paper airplanes too.
@Barabyk
@Barabyk 3 жыл бұрын
Here (UK) it's also the main principle for visual flying and non-precision approach, but for ILS it's being taught in reverse by many instructors.
@MasterCarguy44-pk2dq
@MasterCarguy44-pk2dq 3 жыл бұрын
Military and civilian training I got was pitch/trim for speed then throttle for altitude control on the gs.
@MasterCarguy44-pk2dq
@MasterCarguy44-pk2dq 3 жыл бұрын
If you pitch for altitude it causes all kinds of other possible issues, chasing airspeed or altitude and now your distracted which = "dear so and so, I regret to inform you that your son/daughter hit a tree/building etc, basically CFIT. An unstable appr can pop up quickly and then your behind the airplane.
@doggyboy8306
@doggyboy8306 6 жыл бұрын
I really like your teaching style. Stopping the video to talk about some key points and then getting back on...
@TheFinerPoints
@TheFinerPoints 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@brucewilbur2586
@brucewilbur2586 5 жыл бұрын
Your instruction and presentation skills are the best.
@paulwilbur7821
@paulwilbur7821 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for being so calm. Your positivity towards your student goes along way. I liked what you said about the glide slope, “ the situation might be a little different but this will be darn close”. I also find that 90 with 500 ft descent may not be perfect but it is pretty darn close. - keep these going! #TFP
@TheFinerPoints
@TheFinerPoints 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Paul! I will keep them coming
@LTVoyager
@LTVoyager 4 жыл бұрын
It is only close because the wind is seldom calm. So, you need to adjust for the fact that at 90 IAS your ground speed will rarely be 90.
@fricky172
@fricky172 3 жыл бұрын
@@LTVoyager True, but this is a great starting point to build upon. GS x 5 = approximate VS Helps adjust to other conditions. And of course wind layers change during descent too.
@ProfSimonHolland
@ProfSimonHolland 5 жыл бұрын
One of the best Gide slope tips.
@mentises
@mentises 3 жыл бұрын
Wow! That was really good and useful. Thanks to Anita as well. great job.
@flywithparth920
@flywithparth920 5 жыл бұрын
Loved this video. I’m 4flights into my ifr training . I am still struggling with maintaining proper glide slope. I’ll try this method tomorrow in my flight and I’m pretty sure it will work. Thanks for the video :)
@GavinSteiner
@GavinSteiner 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thanks so much for this. It's a tool I'll be using often!
@NiccolaiStCroix
@NiccolaiStCroix 5 жыл бұрын
You do such a great job instructing. I'm working on my CFI now so a lot of your videos have been a huge inspiration for me. Im so glad I stumbled across your channel! I really enjoy your teaching style and the way you make a lot of these techniques and maneuvers look easy. I wish more CFIs had your level of passion. It is obvious you love what you do. Keep up the good work, it is truly appreciated!
@TheFinerPoints
@TheFinerPoints 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome Niccolai! Thanks. I'm glad you found it too
@MordecaiNuni
@MordecaiNuni Жыл бұрын
I did this today and it worked perfectly. Thank you Jason!
@JohnBaleshiski
@JohnBaleshiski 4 жыл бұрын
This is an old thread, but seriously, how do you only have 27k subscribers? I wish I was in CA so I could take lessons from you. Your content is outstanding, informative, and well produced! You might be one of KZbin's best kept aviation secrets, haha.
@coolas21
@coolas21 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for these great videos. I’m a new CFII and have already been using a lot of little tips I get from you to help teach.
@TheFinerPoints
@TheFinerPoints 6 жыл бұрын
You're welcome Luke! That's great to hear, I'm glad you're getting a lot out of them.
@nidurnevets
@nidurnevets 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. I worked toward my Instrument Rating some years ago. I wish the procedures had been broken down into such a practical way.
@amumumu
@amumumu 6 жыл бұрын
Amazing video! It really helped clarify some doubts I had. Thank you!
@TheFinerPoints
@TheFinerPoints 6 жыл бұрын
amumumus you're welcome!
@dogwoodservicesinc.2972
@dogwoodservicesinc.2972 Жыл бұрын
Spot on. Key teaching on airspeed and 500 fpm. Nicely done!
@agp7073
@agp7073 4 жыл бұрын
Great teaching technique. Subscribed
@Skyhawk656
@Skyhawk656 4 жыл бұрын
I'm just 1 month away from starting my IFR... Super Excited!
@kylekendall1587
@kylekendall1587 4 жыл бұрын
Man Jason such an awesome tip! Thx again for what you do!
@bulamoves2987
@bulamoves2987 4 жыл бұрын
I just found your podcast on pandora, i just wanna thank you for what ur doing in the aviation community. Will be listening to your podcasts everyday!!
@TheFinerPoints
@TheFinerPoints 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@bolisongcoastalliving3152
@bolisongcoastalliving3152 4 жыл бұрын
So glade your teaching pitch for the rate of descent, power for speed. Talking about a sight picture! Just drive the car down the hill. Attitude plus power equals performance.
@billkrokoship
@billkrokoship 4 жыл бұрын
This is a clear way to understand the glide scope! I believe you did a back country training in East Peoria,IL I attended.
@ulrikadad3343
@ulrikadad3343 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! As always!!
@747-pilot
@747-pilot 6 жыл бұрын
Will be beginning my instrument training soon!! Awesome!!! Thank You!!
@TheFinerPoints
@TheFinerPoints 6 жыл бұрын
747-pilot sure! Good luck with your training
@lopesanderson19
@lopesanderson19 5 жыл бұрын
Her radio communication skills is just flawless. 😮
@VictoryAviation
@VictoryAviation 3 жыл бұрын
Scrolled down to check before posting this exact same thing. You read my mind. She did great!
@davidringuette4174
@davidringuette4174 3 жыл бұрын
Very cool !! Thanks for sharing !
@jwills8606
@jwills8606 6 жыл бұрын
If this is her first approach, she is VERY good. Beyond very good. Great instruction, too.
@TheFinerPoints
@TheFinerPoints 6 жыл бұрын
James Wills thanks James, yes she was doing great!
@TroyWhistman
@TroyWhistman 6 жыл бұрын
Another great video, Jason! Well done!
@TheFinerPoints
@TheFinerPoints 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Troy!
@Made_In_Syria
@Made_In_Syria 6 жыл бұрын
I have been flying quite a few ILS approaches over the last few weeks as part of IFR training. This really helps me make the approach more systematic and less of a guess work. I have an amazing CFI but being able to watch somebody do it from my couch is pretty helpful. Thanks !
@TheFinerPoints
@TheFinerPoints 6 жыл бұрын
BOOM, that's what I want to hear, awesome! You're most welcome
@TheFinerPoints
@TheFinerPoints 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Omar congratulations! you are on the short list for winning the December Flight Chops contest --- yay. What I need you to do is email me at jason at learnthefinerpoints dot com and I can fill you in on what's next
@vinsavi
@vinsavi 2 жыл бұрын
I like it that you change the problem to what is direct rather than chase a power to needle to power feedback loop
@Wpilot673
@Wpilot673 4 жыл бұрын
Just discovered your channel and I love it. Nice job !
@TheFinerPoints
@TheFinerPoints 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! 🙌
@vinsavi
@vinsavi 3 жыл бұрын
Nice explanation!
@topofthegreen
@topofthegreen 5 жыл бұрын
this is one of my favorite videos, you make it look so damn easy.
@garyggarner7738
@garyggarner7738 3 жыл бұрын
AS USUAL OUTSTANDING VIDEO AND EXCELLENT ADVICE!!
@bowhuntinoh
@bowhuntinoh 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic tip
@captstevetests
@captstevetests 2 жыл бұрын
You just come across as a best friend. Wish we lived closer. I'd love to have you as an instructor. If you ever get to Cape Cod....
@dkluempers
@dkluempers 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. If ever wanted to go go back and get instrument rated I would love to have this instructor.
@davidrobins4025
@davidrobins4025 4 жыл бұрын
An amazing skill to add - and one to continually hone!
@FISHH00KS
@FISHH00KS 2 жыл бұрын
LoL - I almost choked on my coffee.......
@a1sloth1
@a1sloth1 3 жыл бұрын
Good lesson, the student is paying attention and will have this needle chasing tamed in no time and having fun with it!
@invertedflatspin9676
@invertedflatspin9676 5 жыл бұрын
I wish my IFR instructor was even half as good as this instructor is. Although I finally received my rating, I learned that by watching videos like this, I received more knowledge from the videos that I put into practice from videos like this than from my actual former instructor. Thanks so much and please keep making these videos.
@TheFinerPoints
@TheFinerPoints 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the compliment ... and ... sorry to hear you had such a bad CFI. I'm glad I could pick up some of the slack here, will definitely keep making these videos :)
@ohtofly941
@ohtofly941 6 жыл бұрын
Beautiful lesson.
@TheFinerPoints
@TheFinerPoints 6 жыл бұрын
Oh to fly! Thx!
@stevecastro22
@stevecastro22 6 жыл бұрын
Jason, just a note to say thank you from one of your fans. As a private pilot and a scuba instructor beginning back in the 80's I have seen a lot of changes in technology in both industries, but as an instructor, there have always been a few constants for GREAT vs. good teachers. You obviously love what you do, and your students and fans can sense that. You are warm, caring, accessible, and knowledgeable which you love to pass on. Thanks for all of the work that you put into your wonderful video's, it is very much appreciated. I learned how to fly out of Napa, and watching your Bay Area and Sierra Nevada videos sure bring back some great memories of living there. Thanks again and keep them coming..... Steve Mesa Az.
@TheFinerPoints
@TheFinerPoints 6 жыл бұрын
Steve Castro thanks so much for that comment Steve, it’s great to hear that folks notice and that the work is appreciated.
@toddw6716
@toddw6716 3 жыл бұрын
Nice instructions
@michaelfarlow9187
@michaelfarlow9187 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome info as always!!! Good video!!!
@TheFinerPoints
@TheFinerPoints 6 жыл бұрын
Mike Farlow thanks Mike!
@michaelfarlow9187
@michaelfarlow9187 6 жыл бұрын
Also signed up for info for this year's San Juan Islands trip... bummed I couldn't do it in 2017. And if you find yourself in DFW area, the welcome mat is lit for a BBQ flight to the Hard8 near KSEP!
@jacobmunning9972
@jacobmunning9972 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making videos that help us pilots each and every time. I’m am just starting to learn IFR and can not wait to use this tactic on my next flight. #TFP
@TheFinerPoints
@TheFinerPoints 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Jacob, congratulations! you are on the short list for winning the December Flight Chops contest --- yay. What I need you to do is email me at jason at learnthefinerpoints dot com and I can fill you in on what's next
@brazeagle
@brazeagle 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, I actually learned a bit different: Power for pitch and trim for airspeed. Cheers
@jakew9887
@jakew9887 2 жыл бұрын
Great Video. Thanks
@TheFinerPoints
@TheFinerPoints 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@johngleason8619
@johngleason8619 6 жыл бұрын
anita is a great sport--but she is also nailing it!! the pause to focus and circle the indicated gauges with emphasis. like how the focus on that will hold the ILS needles like magic. I will hear your voice now in my ear 'power for 90-pitch 500..' #tfp
@MrAlfisti21
@MrAlfisti21 2 жыл бұрын
Why the hell doesn't this channel have way more subscribers? I am not a pilot yet, only had an intro lesson but I totally get all of those points. They even improved my flying on the Simulators
@careersteer6497
@careersteer6497 3 жыл бұрын
She did a terrific job!
@patrickpowell2236
@patrickpowell2236 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. It's rare to find real training tips on youtube that aren't filled with stupid disclaimers.
@stephenyoungblood3683
@stephenyoungblood3683 6 жыл бұрын
Another great vid!
@wagnergitirana
@wagnergitirana 5 жыл бұрын
Great. Right on the numbers .
@_Sweet_Pete
@_Sweet_Pete 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!
@srtcty9126
@srtcty9126 4 жыл бұрын
Hello Jason, i learn alot from you, thank you for sharing your experience with clear explanation. I see your videos lately because i am newly into aviation but isnt it “ Ground speed x 5 = descent rate and DME distance x 300 = descent height “ one of the basic thumb rules ? Why no instructor in youtube mentions it i am confused.? Do i miss something ? Is it only for mrjt airplanes?
@hotrodray9884
@hotrodray9884 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent. I've only seen a couple of your videos but you're very good. One of my pet peeves is a 5,000 pilots sawing on the yoke in turbulence trying to keep the wings level.... Pilot induced oscillation makes me sick. Hope you cover that sometime. (Comm since 68)
@TheFinerPoints
@TheFinerPoints 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you! 🙏🏻
@moriver3857
@moriver3857 4 жыл бұрын
Holding a glidepath or glideslope is a matter of power management. Small or large airplane and even rotorwing, though in this case is power/torque management. Nice vid.
@earnedwings5206
@earnedwings5206 4 жыл бұрын
Great clip!
@crooked-halo
@crooked-halo 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. This is amazing! Thanks! I'm instrument rated but was never taught to use power setting to hold glideslope. It looks much easier than chasing the damn needles, which gets challenging close to the runway. I'm definitely going to try this during my soon-coming instrument training for my comp check (haven't flown IFR in a while & need this). Questions, how does one figure out the needed power setting? Trial & error? Is every plane going to be different, or will all 152s be the same, all Archers the same, etc?
@gregoryturner1505
@gregoryturner1505 6 жыл бұрын
Great video
@jeffreymcguire6895
@jeffreymcguire6895 6 жыл бұрын
Just starting my instrument training and this is a great little nugget to remember when flying an ILS. I remember the first ILS I flew in VFR conditions with a pilot friend of mine and was chasing the needles all over the place. #TFP
@TheFinerPoints
@TheFinerPoints 6 жыл бұрын
I always let my students fly at least one ILS in visual conditions to see that the runway never moves. It's the trend on the needle that's important. If it's headed toward the center don't change a thing
@TheFalconJetDriver
@TheFalconJetDriver 4 жыл бұрын
Every pilot chases the needles the first time, and many pilots chase the needles every time. 🛫
@in2flying
@in2flying 4 жыл бұрын
Jason , you are really the high bar of all things flight training.
@TheFinerPoints
@TheFinerPoints 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Will 🙏🏻
@nuclearnyanboi
@nuclearnyanboi 6 жыл бұрын
Beautiful!! Now I know
@rustyflyer2835
@rustyflyer2835 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. Just got my ppl last week, can’t wait to start on instrument. #tfp
@derekec
@derekec 2 жыл бұрын
Writing more for myself: Now a rusty pilot and part of it was my constant frustration, distraction and yes stress over the Pitch vs Power question. I was so tired over my lack of confidence in "which one to control what?" is best. I was ace at holding a GS or so I was always told but inside I fought demons always wondering how to do it best and I think my ability was in my reflexes to catch it quickly and often used both controls. But that is a lot of distracting workload in IFR. I got better but now rusty I THINK I recall this: 1) of course never forget one affects the other 2) Know my power/trim settings to set up the trend 3) If I use the theoretical (I'll call S&Rudder) "Power for altitude" thinking, I'm gonna sink right through the GS I was getting back down to unless I anticipate and power back up early because reducing power doesn't automatically stop the descent at the GS (vice versa for climbing back up). AND I may be doing this behind the power curve where inputs will be even wilder. In other words, I think in the end it's BEST to think SMALL CHANGES with STICK - it's a faster correction and more forgiving than power changes (where getting behind the curve can be fatal). Use S&R to set up the approach but stick for the small altitude changes. Once back on GS IF speed is changing (likely will not once settled in) then power adjust to compensate. It goes against what we are taught for S&R skills but really, that's for setting trends and not small changes otherwise you end up "chasing the needle" and becoming distracted. 4) ALWAYS remember if too low/too slow Peddle to the metal and lower the nose - in other words remembering the power curve and Wolfgang's Stick and Rudder theory comes back to save the day - you can always go around. Also, classic Wolfgang's S&R skills are critical in slow flight and when behind the power curve but at cruise or anytime there's lot's of momentum and airflow going, I'd fix altitude with stick first then set trim and power because varying power 'first' sets up a new trend and I'd end up fiddling sometimes my entire flight to try and get it right leading to exhaustion. Of course, for MAJOR changes, always remember to use both as one does affect the other. In time it become second nature to do both.
@lancedixon8487
@lancedixon8487 6 жыл бұрын
you helped me pass my test, not the check ride, thank you so much
@TheFinerPoints
@TheFinerPoints 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent Lance! Congrats, that makes me happy :)
@danwonders9403
@danwonders9403 4 жыл бұрын
I only have positive things to say about your instruction style and content. I am an ‘old’ airline training captain and checkpilot who decided to get back into GA instructing. I found your videos and enjoy the reminders they give me. My comment is this; maybe you touch on this with your students, but 500fpm at 90kts ground speed is actually off. (It is a good starting place, and maybe that’s all you want them to know at that point). In a Cessna you can get a way with it. But, if you teach “half the ground speed, and add a zero” that will be nuts on at any speed. So if your students transition to jets, or even faster light twins, a 140kt approach is easily calculated to 700fpm, and so on. Keep up the great work.
@mattcu77615
@mattcu77615 2 жыл бұрын
Great video and content. That oil pressure needle got my attention barely a minute into though. ;-)
@Tom-tk3du
@Tom-tk3du 4 жыл бұрын
Great tip. Curious to see how it varies at airspeeds below 90 kts, which is above my Vfe.
@mattolmstead6150
@mattolmstead6150 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah me too, for me my landing speed in a 150 is 65 to 75 kts
@copkhan007
@copkhan007 5 жыл бұрын
An Just like that a VFR pilot learned something very important about IFR flying👍👍
@scottwaters2651
@scottwaters2651 Жыл бұрын
well done.
@ko.kurt2024
@ko.kurt2024 6 жыл бұрын
Jason really enjoying your videos, please make them more often, wish the distance was not so far in between, would have liked to shake your hand man. Appreciate these tips. Thumbs up!
@TheFinerPoints
@TheFinerPoints 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kurtay! Your request is noted ... Patreon has been helping a lot there and there a couple more sponsors threatening to come on. I'd love to make them more often but at the end of the day it's about how much time I can spend editing as opposed to flying / lecturing. Doing my best to bring them every other week for now and weekly when I hit 1000 patrons. Thanks for your kind words and let me know if you're ever going to be out in the bay, we'll go fly!
@ko.kurt2024
@ko.kurt2024 6 жыл бұрын
Great my friend. Let me know if you need any help with editing (my support/help to/for you).
@v1rotate391
@v1rotate391 Жыл бұрын
Great way to make someone chase the VSI. Would love to see her in action partial panel. It will be a roller coaster
@apromero911
@apromero911 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a fan of 5 times your groundspeed divided by 3 times your glideslope (5 * groundspeed * glideslope / 3), more easily expressed as 5/3 * ground speed * glideslope or 5/3xy. 9 times out of 10 the glideslope calculation cancels out to 1 since 3 degrees is the standard but with some quick rounded mental math it gives you the ballpark descent rate for any glideslope you may need. This formula has application for enroute climbs/descents as well as various other times where you might need to maintain a particular slope.
@vfx7t
@vfx7t 4 жыл бұрын
as for me where there are videos which relate the aircraft, I click, I like it :D
@av8rshane491
@av8rshane491 2 жыл бұрын
If you happen to be using Jeppesen approach plates then there is a FPM vs grounds speed on the plate. Also for a quickie if you have your ground speed readout and let’s say it’s 95 it’s then add a zero and decide by 2 and that gives you a pretty good fpm to maintain a 3deg glide slope.
@SomaFlly
@SomaFlly 4 жыл бұрын
do these speed values work for my flying boat/warship/fighter/attack craft?
@pilotandy_com
@pilotandy_com 4 жыл бұрын
Pitch for airspeed, power for altitude. Works in both VFR and IFR.
@stewiepid4385
@stewiepid4385 4 жыл бұрын
This video was so helpful in understanding what I can do at airports without VASI / PAPI when I fly small G.A. in FSX.
@just2bme1000
@just2bme1000 4 жыл бұрын
Or MSFS 2020 :D
@Juliette_4
@Juliette_4 5 жыл бұрын
excellent teaching. Almost as good as FlightChops
@happysawfish
@happysawfish 4 жыл бұрын
Joann Somers: oh lol - wrong wrong wrong! Nobody but nobody is as good as Chops . . . at being Chops : )
@Limjahey52
@Limjahey52 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve always flown pitch for airspeed power for altitude. Much easier to catch your altitude with power… got all the way through instrument and a single engine approach on my commercial multi checkride doing this method. To each their own
@dmrcoyle1975
@dmrcoyle1975 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. I am understanding what you mean by the finer points. Like my instructor tells me all the time the plane will fly its self. It’s up to me to get it to the place I want to go. #TFP
@TheFinerPoints
@TheFinerPoints 6 жыл бұрын
I like that, thx Danny
@TheFinerPoints
@TheFinerPoints 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Danny, congratulations! you are on the short list for winning the December Flight Chops contest --- yay. What I need you to do is email me at jason at learnthefinerpoints dot com and I can fill you in on what's next
@dmrcoyle1975
@dmrcoyle1975 6 жыл бұрын
The Finer Points really me
@abbieamavi
@abbieamavi 4 жыл бұрын
*hey great video! Appreciate how calm you were, and the video was edited very simple to understand too. Love this video! Also, 90 seems kind of fast?*
@colinrasmussen9470
@colinrasmussen9470 4 жыл бұрын
Airliners fly approaches a lot faster than that.
@abbieamavi
@abbieamavi 4 жыл бұрын
Colin Rasmussen jets have two engines, thousands of gallons of kore fuel, and will stall if they fly anywhere near the speed of a Cessna on final. Totally different planes, I meant 90 seemed fast for a C172 but also mine isn’t in mph it’s in kts
@jakeski3142
@jakeski3142 3 жыл бұрын
Veni Vidi Amavi I prefer to fly the ILS @ 105kts in the 172.
@chiefbrody3406
@chiefbrody3406 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you from a msfs 2020 pilot
@martinh88
@martinh88 Жыл бұрын
I did my IR in a twin, and my instructor taught me Ground Speed x 5 = Rate of Descent on an instrument approach. I guess that would result in similar performance to this method.
@cq7415
@cq7415 Жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@garyreed2206
@garyreed2206 6 жыл бұрын
This was posted 3 months ago, just hoping you got the left fuel indicator fixed by now. 👀
@Richard-ib3kp
@Richard-ib3kp 2 жыл бұрын
The main thing I would keep in mind is there is a particular power setting that will produce a certain decent rate. Like in the video he references 1700 rpm. You have to have a general reference whether landing visually or flying an approach. A good rule of thumb is A/S x 5= VSI(rate) 450fpm. This will keep you on the g/s. Pitch for airspeed, adjust power for glide. IMHO.
@pedrosura
@pedrosura 6 жыл бұрын
What a great video... congrats.. Here is another tip... Fly to Every Runway like there was an ILS approach servicing the runway (e.g. descent rate GS(kt) X 5 in ft/min). Most videos I see on KZbin the pilots approach "too low" and plan to touchdown on the numbers (is anyone paying cash for that?). So, they are on glide path, chop the power, increase their descent rate and the flatten the approach to touch down on the numbers. The sight picture is completely off and the flare provides little aero braking since the flight path is so shallow.
@TheFinerPoints
@TheFinerPoints 6 жыл бұрын
pedrosura thanks! Agree about touchdowns on the numbers, why? As long as the wheels are down in the first third or at the latest by the halfway point I’d rather see a pilot keep the altitude to potentially glide in the event of power failure
@pedrosura
@pedrosura 6 жыл бұрын
You are welcomed! Great channel. Really good topics and superb instruction. Well done..
@thomashudgins8328
@thomashudgins8328 Жыл бұрын
Does this power setting work with a piper pa 28 161 cadet?
@reyesben
@reyesben 4 жыл бұрын
Newb question. Does that only work for a Cessna? I’m just wondering how larger faster planes stay on glide slope? If there is a 15 knot headwind would you hold 105 Ground Speed?
@queeny5613
@queeny5613 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome
@stealhty1
@stealhty1 5 жыл бұрын
Good technique ,,we were told to control air speed with pitch and altitude with power
@jimziemer474
@jimziemer474 4 жыл бұрын
stealhty1 What you were told is correct. An aircraft will climb or descend due to thrust. (In a standard atmosphere excess thrust will determine an aircraft’s absolute ceiling for a given weight.) Changing pitch will change AOA which will change airspeed and the thrust required. So no, this is not a good technique. This video is garbage.
@TheFinerPoints
@TheFinerPoints 4 жыл бұрын
@@jimziemer474 Garbage? The reason you pitch for the VSI on a Glide Slope is because the response is immediate, instantaneous. The airspeed indicator lags way to much. The signal is extremely narrow. If you try holding a glide slope by pitching for (or trimming for) and airspeed you will lose the needle I can almost guarantee it. The airspeed indicator lags waaaaay too much to make this effective. Not only are you responding to very old data, the response inputs take too long to manifest in change.
@alexhackler8166
@alexhackler8166 4 жыл бұрын
The Finer Points sorry friend, but I think you have that backwards! The VSI in a plane like this has a lag of ~5-9 seconds whereas the ASI responds almost instantly.
@taytayflyfly7291
@taytayflyfly7291 4 жыл бұрын
@@alexhackler8166 The vsi does lag but that is not what is being discussed, you need to know this on a deeper level to understand. The asi responds slowly to power changes, where a pitch change will have a much quicker effect on rate of descent. Yes, the airspeed is an instantaneous measure where the vsi takes a moment to read accurately, but that's not what he's talking about.
@alexhackler8166
@alexhackler8166 4 жыл бұрын
@@taytayflyfly7291 Except that if you read the message that I responded to that is exactly what he is saying. In terms of trying to hold a glide slope the Vertical Speed Indicator is effectively useless beyond confirming with other instruments because you're looking at what has happened 10 seconds ago. It's fine to use it to get set up at an appropriate descent rate but in terms of holding that glide slope you need to look elsewhere. The Air Speed Indicator will tell you about any change in pitch almost immediately regardless of if that change in pitch is from a power change or just a control movement. Source - Also a Flight Instructor
@bradwernke2770
@bradwernke2770 2 жыл бұрын
And for those curious, in skyhawks, piper warrior/Cherokee’s (most normally aspirated fixed gear aircraft) 2100 rpm’s and proper trim will give you level flight at 90kts in landing configuration. 1900 rpm’s when you reach the glide slope will give you about 500 fpm descent at 90kts. Don’t pitch up or down!! If you get low increase power, if you get high, decrease power (small adjustments only)
@tomarmstrong1281
@tomarmstrong1281 2 жыл бұрын
Nice vid, I found it very useful to thoroughly brief the student on the ground. Ensure that they had 'ball park numbers' for power settings, and that they were totally secure in knowing how to control airspeed and rate of descent and that they understood the value of maintaining a well organised scan. I regarded that ‘instruction' was done in the classroom. Which meant that flight time was prompts and coaching. Attempting to 'teach' while flying is counter productive and confusing and poor value for money. Sadly there are are flight instructors who are in the game to get the biggest buck for the smallest bang and the student is totally at their mercy.,
@sixtiethofasecond
@sixtiethofasecond Жыл бұрын
Ok, I'm about four years behind this release so I guess nobody is there? I'm practicing for my UK IR(R) and will play with this technique but I noticed the descent was happening without flap. At what stage would you apply flap? Would it be close to minima around 600'? Sane question for gear down - I'm currently in an Arrow. Thank you.....
@darylgreaser591
@darylgreaser591 2 жыл бұрын
i was taught to use 10 degrees of flaps in this Cessna for the same approach... thoughts?
@turboromy
@turboromy 2 жыл бұрын
I started IFR training but couldn't continue decades ago. I clearly remember my instructor told me to use power to control vertical speed which is exact opposite of what you said. I'm most likely not seeing a bigger picture and only remember smallest detail. Just curious if there are situations to use power to control descent rate.
@douglanders5558
@douglanders5558 2 жыл бұрын
That is the correct method for slow flight, much of which is taught under the hood, or should be. It is very stable and reliable. Attitude = airspeed, and power = vertical speed, or altitude, depending on the goal (climbing or descending) or maintaining current altitude. He's saying that the power change has a longer delay in the glideslope correction than using pitch. So if you reverse it and use the faster pitch correction the, then you can adjust the airspeed with power and stabilize the approach with a potentially faster response. Personally, I prefer the former, since I fly that way for any slow flight and slow or dragged out pattern work having to follow planes on very wide patterns. If you're used to controlling the plane that way it can work out well. If you aren't, it may be easier to follow this approach, no pun intended. It's worth trying it out, regardless, and see which one fits your flying style. I tend to like the original style I was taught since it meshes with what I've been used to for over 30 years. I will give this a try to see how it compares.
@shyammohabir8283
@shyammohabir8283 3 жыл бұрын
I wish my CFII was vocal like Jason!
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