Apex's Scott Folk walks you through the proper way to install the Apex Duty/Carry Spring Kit in a Smith & Wesson J-Frame revolver. Recommended Tools: Flat-Blade Screwdriver Needle Nose Pliers Rebound Slide Removal Took Gun Oil
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@theparalexview7852 жыл бұрын
I got a Wilson spring kit for a used S&W 642 (no internal lock) I bought a month ago. I'd already test fired it at the range and it felt fine as-is. But I thought a new spring kit couldn't hurt, and I've replaced springs before with most of my revolvers, from the Model 1917 .45 ACP Colt and S&W, through my Model 586, Ruger SP101, and others. The procedure is just as demonstrated in this video (with the minor exception of leaf springs). When I got the side plate off I noticed the trigger rebound spring was green/blue. That seemed unusual for a factory spring, so I googled around. Turns out the previous owner had already installed the Apex spring kit, and the Wilson springs were actually heavier. So I left the revolver as-is, other than internal cleanup and lubricating with Beeman's white paste grease - very slick, tenacious, never liquefies, tames springs so they feel and sound less sproingy, yet doesn't hinder any action. I'll save the Wilson spring kit for my 1970s Model 49 Bodyguard. It's not bad, but not quite as slick as the 642 Airweight.
@DisabilityExams9 ай бұрын
Just finished installing the Apex kit on a 638. Thank you for this video, I wouldn't have been able to do it myself without it. Pleased with results!
@scratchadams2 жыл бұрын
I just installed the apex springs in my 642. World of difference. Pull is so much smoother. I did not swap out the firing pin though and am glad I did not. In my opinion the springs were the only thing that needs to be replaced. My accuracy has improved ten fold. Highly recommend. Thanks for making such a great product.
@dannybarton940 Жыл бұрын
I installed a TK Custom kit in my 640 and did install the firing pin. The one that came with the kit was slightly longer than stock. They call it "extended". So the reason I did this is because I installed a light spring kit in my Model 60 some time ago and got light strikes. Had to go back to stock. As soon as I test fire the 640 and am satisfied with reliability, I will put a kit in the 60 and use the extended firing pin. Trigger weight reduction was awesome! I guess if you don't have light strike issues with your 642 you don't need the extended pin.
@scratchadams Жыл бұрын
@@dannybarton940 Yeah never yet had any issues with light fire strikes. Knock on wood
@colewestwood29062 жыл бұрын
Picked up a second kit for a different revolver. Relatively easy install and a trigger pull that lets you know that the time and money were well spent. People who say that a J Frame is good only at bad breath distances need to get this upgrade!
@oplefirem2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for selling me.
@colewestwood29062 жыл бұрын
@@oplefirem yes, both of my J Frames continue running like champs after installing the kit. Not one light primer strike in live fire and, coupled with a very intentional dry fire routine, they are incredible shooters.
@joshroten3997 Жыл бұрын
Just completed this install and function test. Works great. Nice, practical reduction in trigger pull for a SD pistol. 👍 BTW: I’m nit a gunsmith - but I did make sure I had the right tools on hand before I started and referred to the video throughout. No issues what so ever.
@Lee-fi4vo Жыл бұрын
So relaxing to watch your calm, slow installations!
@jimmeyer48222 жыл бұрын
Install on a 640 and 442 with great success! Excellent full kit that includes firing pin and its spring. Everything you need and easily installed. Very happy and NO light strikes on either gun so far.
@kelltrad61272 жыл бұрын
I had the Wilson combat spring kit on my old J frame. Just installed this apex kit on my newer 442. Night and day difference. Apex kit is much much better. Trigger pull is around 8, while Wilson was around 10 still. Apex is much smoother as well.
@niadhf3 жыл бұрын
As always, a very helpful install video. I have these kits on each of my J frames. Thank you.
@bluidog24 жыл бұрын
I put this kit and a Hogue grip on my wife’s J frame. What a change! 👍
@Smallvet Жыл бұрын
Those Hogue grips are nice I have the lava red.
@J.R.F.23 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for making this video. It truly made the installation a breeze ‼️
@Inferno33334 жыл бұрын
This gave my old Airweight 642 quite a nice trigger pull. Kudos on another great kit!
@apextactical4 жыл бұрын
Glad you like it.
@genepitney1556 ай бұрын
Just finished my Apex kit on a 642 and this video is the best for reassembly with clear pictures. My new J- frame is smooth and trigger feels great. One question.... why is the firing pin replacement needed?
@greenbudkelly2820 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video and kit
@jimhiller2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks..
@dinobucaria42183 жыл бұрын
These springs are also good for S&W mod.60 (38 special 2 ") ???
@richerich8532 жыл бұрын
Is there anything you recommend to polish while I'm in there?
@cthrasher89604 ай бұрын
Will this work on a 351 c 22 mag?
@nunyabidnis54074 жыл бұрын
Installed this kit todayin my wifes Ladysmith. All went well and it makes a huge difference. However the new firing pin would stick in the forward position. It took a lot of force to push it back in. I reinstalled the original pin and spring. Hopefully I won't get light strikes.
@apextactical4 жыл бұрын
Contact our customer service at 623-322-0200 to troubleshoot the issue.
@maxwellmark3 жыл бұрын
What is the reason for changing the firing pin? I’m assuming it has something to do with light strikes... is it longer?
@apextactical3 жыл бұрын
The combination of the Firing Pin and the Reduced Power Firing Pin Return Spring is designed specifically to reduce the probability of light strikes, particularly in revolvers with high-performance trigger action work.
@Tex89r2 ай бұрын
Would this work on RIA M206
@robertpratt67052 жыл бұрын
Great video and whT an amazing difference. We did ours at the rang with a gun Smith watching. Easy install and wife loves the difference.
@scott2228 Жыл бұрын
Just had this kit installed in my J frame. Well spent $30. And the armorer are the gun store installed free of charge.
@TheGary11713 жыл бұрын
Helpful video, but I was installing the spring kit in a J frame I bought in 1975 as a rookie. I ended up just using the mainspring. The rebound spring from your kit is about 3/8 inch longer than the main spring that was in it. Of course, the firing pin is on the hammer, so I didn't need the new firing pin or the accompanying spring. What you should sell, for us old timers, is just a mainspring for the old J frame Smiths. I didn't use 75% of the parts, so your price should just cover the cost of the mainspring. By the way, the double action press is a lot better with your mainspring.
@robertkwiatkoski12922 жыл бұрын
Is the new pull weight approved by S&W? Massad A. Says to get it in writing from the manufacturer if you change it. Thank you.
@apextactical2 жыл бұрын
Smith & Wesson doesn't approve aftermarket upgrades. And that is not exactly what Massad has said. For you, as this is a real concern of yours, you should probably keep it completely stock - and that's perfectly fine.
@robertkwiatkoski12922 жыл бұрын
@@apextactical just watched his video on modified triggers again, He does say to contact the manufacturer and ask what is the lightest pull weight that is acceptable( not exact wording) and have them e-mail you that information and archive it on your device. I'm not looking to get in a passing match with anyone. Apex triggers come highly recommended, I was and still am making a point that one of the best and most respected people in the industry makes this point. Thank you for your response.
@kms78523 жыл бұрын
What kind of rear sight and grip are they? I want to get them
@AmericanMinuteman953 жыл бұрын
They come with the 640 Pro. Cylinder and slide makes sights but you need to have the gun milled.
@LA_Commander2 жыл бұрын
Those are Hogue grips Minsoo. They are available in a variety of colors. I have some on my Smith j frame and they are black. These grips make the gun 100% better to shoot and to draw.
@theRodofwar2 жыл бұрын
wish they would have showed before and after trigger pull comparisons
@apextactical2 жыл бұрын
It reduces the trigger pull by approximately 3 lbs.
@fernandomarcano49082 жыл бұрын
Anyone tried on a S & W 629 .44Mag? Results? Thanks
@apextactical2 жыл бұрын
The 629 is an N-Frame revolver. This is for the J-Frame revolvers. We have a hammer kit for the N-Frames (Part # 108-002).
@MrPopeye7222 жыл бұрын
Just installed the kit. Does anyone else get a slower reset with a bit of a hang up about half way?
@ScubaSteveS1172 жыл бұрын
I also have the same issue and my trigger will actually hang before full reset if I ride the trigger forward gently.
@RajunCajun12 ай бұрын
If the head of the screw is broken off, who should the firearm be taken to to remove the broken screw?
@apextactical2 ай бұрын
Are you referring to a Side Plate Screw? If so, it's best to contact Smith about fixing it.
@pegleg1az4 жыл бұрын
Do you make them for Charter Arms? We have two undercover lite's. One Southpaw & one regular.
@apextactical3 жыл бұрын
No, nothing for the Charter Arms products.
@mimip1544 жыл бұрын
Will this work for j frame 22lr or 22wmr models ?
@davidjaniec38383 жыл бұрын
I would like to know the answer too. I have have a 351 PD.
@jimmeyer48222 жыл бұрын
no
@LA_Commander2 жыл бұрын
Do not get a spring kit for the 22 caliber guns. Those are rimfire rounds and need the heavy strike from the hammer to work. With centerfire ammo you can have a lighter strike, but not rimfire ammo. Sorry.
@garymccausland12724 жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention to make sure the side plate screws go back in the same place
@zekethefishgeek86903 жыл бұрын
Yep...
@bburnsga Жыл бұрын
Good demonstration, but you didn't go as far as showing how to remove the actual trigger & replace it...??? There's a piece over the trigger & I'm not sure how that comes off! Disappointing!!! Guess if I do buy this gun, I'll definitely have to find a gunsmith to replace the trigger.
@apextactical Жыл бұрын
Removal of the advancing hand is not necessary to install our kit. We opted not to make this video insanely long by adding in all of the extraneous details that aren't necessary for this install. We are planning to make a video on thorough Smith Revo disassembly and reassembly, but you're looking at an hour or more to do so.
@huntfisheat733 жыл бұрын
Very disappointed in this video especially coming from these guys. What they fail to mention is a few things but one in particular when you take the hammer out like that and drop it on the table there's a chance that the sear pin spring will fall out never to be found again. You'll know this when you're see your PIN falls out of the hammer. I had to find that out the hard way every video on KZbin does not mention that whatsoever. I literally tap the back of the gun exactly like these guys did and when the hammer fell out the cedar pin fell out and I didn't know that the spring was gone until I put it all back together. Needless to say no I'm going to have to wait the week or so for that to come in the mail when all they had to do is tell you on the video to be careful about that and I would have not done it. Other than that it is very very easy to change all the springs just know when you drop that hammer out there's a possibility that shear pin may come out and when it does that little spring behind it will come out as well and you will never find it again.
@camhester4251 Жыл бұрын
thanks for sharing , this kit will work on the 637 airweight won't it ?
@wiltonsmith3397 Жыл бұрын
Quit crying.
@chrisbottari5410 Жыл бұрын
This just happend to me as well and i thought i lost just a spring, is there a pin as well?
@trvlace2 жыл бұрын
Did my 642 and experienced jam fires. Used gunsmith tools from brownells. ? It’s a new gun. More rounds?
@apextactical2 жыл бұрын
Contact our customer service at 623-322-0200 and they will assist you.
@wizardofahhhs7592 жыл бұрын
Having gunsmith tools don't make you a gunsmith.
@trvlace2 жыл бұрын
I got it going. My 686-6 PC does the exact same. It closes but you gotta roll the Cylinder. It’s not the kit. I am extremely meticulous in my work. Jerry Mickulec used a bic ink pen to push the trigger spring. 😂
@RadioRich100 Жыл бұрын
Might get mis fires from light strikes. Just smooth the trigger.