How to layer up in winter | Fjällräven

[@Kaisersozze]

Every company should explain their clothing and how/when to use them.

[@armando3965]

They have sellers that will make you buy as much as possible with a similar explanation

[@tomsitzman3952]

My base layer is most often fishnet from Brynje. I have been using it since for the past 55 years. Depending on the cold my inner most base layer is a thin wool knit with a mid-weight wool or poly fleece. The outer layers depend on the wind and minus temperature and activity. I think the Base layer and the inner most mid layer are the key to staying dry. All the layers are on the oust side of my belt to allow water vapor to exit out the bottom.

[@jongheuk]

I like his rare jokes... effectively delivering information, but also making me continuously focused on.

[@Bcz4r]

This taught me a lot, I had no idea how to properly layer before watching this. All I knew was that wool was key, which I've learned through trial and error. Thank you so much for teaching us how to do this. With the changing climate, this information may prove useful for people who never needed it before.

[@whaleridden]

Was kind of hoping he would wear EVERY Fjallraven product at once. Best part was at 4:43 when he adds the Mummyfoot.

[@aark89]

LOL, the mummyfoot definitely caught me by surprise as well

[@winterbird4447]

Total cost: one million dollars.

[@ivanjrn]

100% what I was thinking. They have an incentive to sell you as many separate layers as possible. 😂

[@MarcP5267]

@Jay M he’s wearing 2 base layers and 2 mid layers. Usually I wear 1 polartec base layer, 1 polartec grid, and an outer shell.

[@petter5721]

I bought my Greenland jacket 22years ago and it is still working fine on my outdoor trips 👍🏻 It is pricey but the quality is outstanding 💪🏻

[@asenabadjiev1105]

😂😂😂😂 Damn right

[@BlownMacTruck]

You buy this stuff once and it’s extremely high quality. It’s cheaper than constantly buying disposable versions of it. Not to mention you never have to buy all this stuff at once unless you’re going on some sort of expedition with zero experience.

[@CoffeeTableRacing]

Ahh now it all makes sense, watched a KZbin video by Ted last night on the gear used on his 1000km hike and I’m thinking “wow this guy has a lot of Fjallraven gear, he’s either rich or connected to them in some way”. Following day out comes a video from Fjallraven starring Ted.

[@Jonathz-]

I don't like when people do that

[@matth268]

Haha. I thought the same thing. I feel like I'm rich when I wear my one coat and hat out the door. Lol

[@andreboudreau6474]

A few months ago I bought a pair of Fjällräven Keb trousers to wear when I do my daily walks. The clerk at the store where I bought them said if I tried them onI would almost certainly buy them. She was 100% right. They are very comfortable. At first I was a little worried that they might not be suitable for the colder winter days here in Québec. I am happy to say that with a simple thin fleece base layer they remain comfortable even at -20C and that’s not accounting for windchill. Of course this is whilst walking at a good pace for about one hour. I am very happy with my new trousers and would recommend them to anyone who is active. Best technical product I have ever bought so far.

[@Wastelander13]

Same to me. Its risky to try a Fjällräven cloth on cause I always want to buy it then. 👍😀

[@sparthacuster]

They have messed up the fit tho

[@craigroeser181]

Fjallraven is such an awesome company and the products you make are absolutely beautiful. I plan on only purchasing products from you for the rest of my life!

[@idrissamorehouse5776]

The most important trick that iv’e learned (yet to don’t see properly discussed ) is for people to stay active throughout their activity in managing temperature = zipping and unzipping proactively throughout the day or at intervals -took me a long time to learn DON’T wait til the next rest interval for unzipping because by then there might already be heat n sweat built up inside your gear - learn to be mindful and adjust for temp and aeration while in motion and de-layer right away when you go inside .ALSO after years of testing different combinations id say having a SMARTWOOL longsleeve as your base layer is HANDS DOWN A MUST HAVE !!

[@lsamoa]

That's great advice, thank you!

[@sparthacuster]

What do u think about lyocell base layer?

[@rayomandd]

Brilliant Video !!! Very Informative. Thank You!

[@SKiiTTLe5]

When moving and doing strenuous activity even in pretty cold temperatures start cold and let the hike warm you up to avoid sweating…wearing more than two layers while hiking is probably a recipe for being sweaty…when you slow down and cool off then toss on the down layers or a windbreaker if needed

[@strattamatter]

Informative, to the point, and good visuals. Great video Ted & Fjallraven.

[@TonyfromTO]

I need to invest in cold weather layers.

[@LiveHappy321]

Would love to see a video geared towards running with the garment pieces having a temperature range. Like if it’s 10-30 degrees wear this. If it is 30-40 wear this etc.

[@rbuenafe100]

I'm glad I found this video. I do a lot of outdoor activities both in the summer and winter. In the winter, I'm always cold! Thinking of purchasing Fjallraven layering system. I already own several Fjallraven products but want to start from scratch. My question is, if you start to layer from base to mid-layer to shell etc, do you increase in size as well? Because as you add layers, it's going to get tighter. Thanks!

[@meulen6639]

I don’t know why I’m watching this in the middle of a summer afternoon with 32C

[@rajivbhatia7960]

Good video..seen first time…highly informative…regards

[@DeanPattrick]

Excellent video on layering, what to use and when to use it. I shudder to think of the cost of just buying half those items. I have a number of Fjällräven items from bags, to shorts to tops. All great quality but not cheap.

[@victoralay7002]

Fantastic maybe could you insert the link to the different products!

[@pchou]

Can fjalraven do more education series or even partnership with ppl to teach more about how to use their gear or even recommendation on gloves, bags etc

Thank you for the feedback, we'll see what we can do

[@Thetinebroken]

Great video We now know what the pack is for. I could make it on the Kaibab with that setup

[@SKiiTTLe5]

Also with Fjallraven is the layering outer pieces designed to fit the under layers underneath or do you need to buy a size larger in outer layers to fit under layers underneath?

Hi, This is something you try with the layers you want to us, but the short answer to your question is yes.

[@SKiiTTLe5]

@ so most of your mid and outer layers are sized to fit layers underneath…so for example: if I bought a base layer, mid layer and shell all in size medium, they should all fit when worn together?

@@SKiiTTLe5 That is right. Then of course it depends on body measurements and if you want a thinner padded jacket underneath, then it might be good to size up. But it depends

[@SKiiTTLe5]

@ I’m thinking a KUIU merino wool base layer (thin), then a Fjallraven lada sweater and then a Fjallraven bergtagen lite insulated jacket…for the last piece would I need to size up or would all medium work well together?

@@SKiiTTLe5 This is something you must try for a perfect fit

[@eme1one]

Fjällräven gear is so timeless

[@HarryPotter047]

" Look at me, I`m Chandler. Could I be wearing any more clothes ? "

[@mustakimshafi408]

Hey Ted, quick question, what are the orange pants/trousers you've got on called?

[@jamescrews3516]

Love the products !!

[@johnschneider4160]

How maneuverable is a 50-foot tractor trailer rig in deep snow on a mountainside??? I would need one to transport all of this clothing!!

[@jasonadler6152]

Great video! Thanks for putting this together.

[@KonstantinosTsagkalidis]

Great video from Fjällräven with @TedWeirum

[@JoeZUGOOLA]

I always wear a synthetic vest with all the layers above full zipped so I can unzip down to the vest and dump heat asap... I hate being hot

[@EliRedman]

What wool sock brand layers are you wearing?

[@alicookofficial]

If you have two midlayers would you go upna size for you shell layer?

Not necessarily but this is something you must try with the layers you want to use.

[@ales2305]

Hi, That's all well and good, but when you put on layers, no one mentions the size of each piece of clothing. Why? When I put on each layer, I sometimes feel like I need a size larger than I usually wear.

[@PaulHo]

Ted is my favorite! ❤️ I've said it before, and I'll say it again,Ted and the Expedition Down are all I need. After doing the Green Band, he's definitely an expert.

[@MrPeplo12345]

Nice explanation! One question. What about sizes? Do you go same size with all layers or do you go up in size? for the layers that go on top? Thank you for your answer!

[@andrewdoyle1772]

With some of them, like the Bergtagen, there is more room in the jacket for your size as it's kinda designed for a padded jacket underneath whereas the Keb Eco Shell is more for maybe a fleece underneath. If you have a store available near you, it's best to try them on with a few layers to make sure that it's right for you. They're expensive items so you want to get it right.

[@wojciech5177]

depends on the brand, better to check yourself but usually for last layers you should do +1 size

[@karimeid4055]

Hi, thanks for the video. What kind of layers would you recommend with temperatures around -5°C and wet conditions with humidity in the air and not a lot of activity ? Is a light down jacket a good option for humidity or more synthetic layers ? Thanks in advance !

[@Adventures_with_Sog]

Thanks for this advice, love your brand 🤙👍

[@carla.n.5078]

For temperatures around 5-10 minus Celcius, is a wool base-layer, a fleece mid-layer and a down jacket enough? The down jacket I own has shell layer (Gore-tex kind) I'm planning a trip this weekend and the weather forecast says around those mentioned temperatures.

Hi there, It's tricky to give specific answers as everyone feels the cold differently. However you should be warm enough in those layers if there is little or light wind. We hope you had a good trip at the weekend!

[@andyn6053]

What about the Skogsö padded jacket and greenland winterjacket? How and when are they useful?

[@kliskova]

Hi. I would prefer similar explanation how to layering trousers for skiing. 1st layer is clear. 3rd layer it’s eco shell Bergtagen or Keb. But what has Fjällräven as 2nd warm layer for skiing? Or it’s not necessary and 2layers with eco shell are sufficient? Thanks a lot

Hi, We have several layer 2 and those are the fleece-jackets /wool sweaters. For example Keb fleece hoodie w, Stina fleece W and Abisko trail fleece W and more. The thickness of the layers and the numbers of layers you want to use depends on the level of activity, temperature and weather conditions.

[@kliskova]

@ Hi, thanks. But I asked for recommendation any warm trousers as 2nd layer and not jackets. Especially for downhill skiing.

@@kliskova Hi, Ah, I see. We don´t have fleece trousers or similar layer 2 trousers. On colder days that kind of layer is great.

[@pennyuyitung4854]

reminds me of FRIENDS episode where Joey wears all Chandler's clothes :)

[@sparthacuster]

Or those who wanna escape the airport luggage charges by wearing all of em 😂

[@rehaking]

How cold is it in Finland? :D Dude has more clothes on him than I have in my closet.

[@sommer1982official]

He’s in the Swedish mountains and talks about sub-zero temperatures 😉

[@allamiatheer1561]

Thanks for the ideas

[@jaymichaelson5811]

Great video on layering. Love Ted's new title: "Outdoor Expert", better than his given title buy someone: "Some Guy On KZbin". Your thoracic spinal mobility is top notch demonstrating the fleece full zip. I'm pretty interested in the Keb Wool Padded Jacket. I think I'm making a trip to my local store to look it over. Peace.

[@ChemNerd23]

I'm also interested in the Keb wool padded jacket and happy to see they are offering wool insulation! This is the first video I've seen on it; hopefully a more in-depth review will come out on it this year.

[@fbonset1]

Great performance

[@unclebob8419]

How can you move in so many layers? I find 4 restrictive

[@logeshvenkatachalapathy5747]

Hi thanks for the video. Question : fjallraven Greenland jacket can it with stand upto -10/-15 Celcius with an base layer/down jacket (like shown in the video) ? Have you used Helly Hansen' Tromsoe jacket? Any videos or suggestions about it.

Hi, The Greenland jacket has the G-1000 only and does not have any lining. So how much you need to add under the jacket is totally depending on the temperature, level of activity, weather conditions and personal preferences.

[@mackue8913]

Hey what name of your orange pants?

Hi, It is the Bergtagen Eco shell trousers.

[@Dante84-t6w]

I actually use different jackets instead of layers. For just walks One synthetic above the knees coat for men that is perfect for 5-10 Celsius. One below the knees down coat for men that is perfect for 5 to -5 Celsius with high knee socks. And when it is really bad. A down jacket with a cover all face hood with only nose and eyes free with thermo pants. For more activity I use a synthetic jacket that when needed can be used with a middle layer. So instead of different layers I use different jackets. Mostly because when I get indoors I just have to take of just 1 thing instead of 5 things

[@wimjanssens8755]

Sould the size of the clothing be adjusted to the layer or do the base layer and the outer(shell) layer have the same size?

[@helly8800]

That's my big problem. Fjälräven doesn't have big enough clothes for me to do all the layers with Fjälräven. It doesn't fit me...

[@wimjanssens8755]

That's exactly what I mean. If you already start with an XL base layer, what size is the outer layer then? Afterall you should still be able to move easily.

@@wimjanssens8755 Hi, This is something you need to try with the layers you want to use.

[@egilryden3794]

Too tight is not good so maybe go up a size in some of the middle and outer layers, but try it on first. When clothes are too tight you dont capture enough air between layers.

[@altanaltay6106]

It is detailed an informative video. Thank you. I have always wanted to buy Fjallraven jackets and pants, but the sizes are so big, especially the arm lengths of jackets, that are preventing me from Fjallraven; so far, I have just bought waterproof back backs.

[@test40323]

With so many layers, wouldn't you constrict blood circulation in the extremities?

[@Ramme86]

Fett kul att du börjar synas hos Fjällräven också ! Bra jobbat man

[@MattShafter]

Sooooo The legs are left wanting in deep static cold? Also, the sweat from your feet will freeze into the boot because there's no VBL in the boot. Not good.

[@malytucnyskaredy]

When you started talking about insulation layers. Should not Bergtagen insulation layer suppose to be under Eco shell ? Because from the video it looks like it should be over Eco shell, cause he dressed Down jacket (which is insulation) over it too.

Hi, It depends on how you are using the insulation jacket and layers. It cold and dry weather you usually take the insulation jacket on top

[@amandant]

Coat really cool. Sadly I live in tropical country 🥲

[@davidm8354]

Great video. I'm climbing elbrus in July. I have an extensive clothing kit for this expedition. My base layers are merino. Mid layers are Rab. Vida Pro pants and loutse gor tex jacket. Final layer karakoram pants and down jacket just to mention a few. Can't wait!!! to break them in lol

[@JoseRodriguez-ch8tf]

Question: if I use a simple base layer size “L”, Also use a fleece size “L” as mid layer, the coat can be”L” ? Or better “XL”?

Hi, In general you can go for the same size, but it also depends on how you are using the jacket and what layers you want to use.

[@JoseRodriguez-ch8tf]

@ thanks!

[@andreasbrandstetter9221]

Would you tell us the costs of all that layers? Proberbly not *g*

[@WAYN3SCHL3G3L]

They sell the things, of course they tell you the prices. Just look on their webbsite. But yea, it is extremely expensive.

[@gotto510]

Wow !! NICE from japan

[@thomasf.9869]

Hi Ted, I notice those trousers have size zippers from top to bottom...are they held up by a belt or shoulder braces (as in salopette) ? Do they have inbuilt snow gaiters or would you wear separate gaiters over your boots? What model are they if I may ask?

Hi! The trousers are the Bergtagen Eco-shell trousers. They do not have a built in belt or shoulder bracers. They do have built in snow gaiters. The benefit with the zippers are that you can put them on or take them off without taking off your boots. Have a nice day! / Lucas

[@thomasf.9869]

@ Thanks Lucas!

[@mignav464]

Uh, wool directly on the skin...no can do. 4:39 Alternative to layering up and looking like a Michelin-Man: Yupik, Nuuk or Singi Jackets. If that's getting too warm, secret pro tip: unzip the front 😉 Also save a lot of $.

[@shaggydog9789]

"The Mummyfoot is not designed to move around in". Challenge accepted, I'm going to get one and then funky worm it from my house to the pub just to show it can be done. BRB in a couple of days.

[@zpokie123]

With the vidda pro you dont need any thing else than a normal long sleaved t-shirt down to atleast -10- - 15. Layers are only used in sweden below -20

[@zpokie123]

Everything he wore in the video is only needed below -25

[@zpokie123]

And also you cant move in that without sweating like crazy

[@landog606]

When was up to the yellow jacket i was like ‘good to go’. Then the layers just kept coming

[@romanbodashevskiy7319]

Доброе время суток! Подскажите, можно покрывать воском мембрану ХИДРАТИК куртку, так же как изделия из Г1000? Спасибо! Good time of the day! Tell me, is it possible to wax the HYDRATIC membrane of a jacket, just like products from G1000? Thanks!

Hi, If the outer fabric on the jacket is the G-1000, you can apply wax. Also the jacket comes pre waxed if it has the G-1000 fabric. The membrane is inside the jacket and you cannot and should not affect or treat the membrane itself.

[@romanbodashevskiy7319]

@ Okay! I realized G1000 can be waxed. What to do with your hydrotic membrane so that the jacket does not leak?

[@romanbodashevskiy7319]

HYDRATIC это ваша мембрана

@@romanbodashevskiy7319 You don´t do anything with the membrane. Just take care of your jacket, wash it when necessary and wax the outer fabric for enhanced protection.

[@chrismasters8884]

Does Fjallraven support hunters?

[@RahulBadesra]

great video, very informative and helpful!! and love the sweedish mountains in background ..:)

[@Fitzy222]

Whew! This guy is waaayyyy tooo good looking and physically fit for me to be paying attention the first time.😉 Will have to rewatch then go to Cecilia Blomdahl's channel for her video about layering (for women) with this company's product. Seriously, though, really appreciate the info about the ethically sourced down jackets-this will be my first purchase from this company. I really like that these layers are high quality therefore you only have to buy them ONCE in a lifetime. This, to me, makes them worth the price. 🤩Thanks for the great video. 🤗

[@garthwick19]

Remonds me of when Joey put all Chandler's clothes on in Friends.

[@MagnusMonsted]

ok but do you really need all that? i did fine with just some wool underwear, fleece shirt, a rain coat and ofc something to keep my head and hands warm in Norway , i mean why is this guy out here looking like goddamn santaclaus haha. i love you fjellraven but cmon...

[@Lucaemar]

Hold up Three socks and insulated shoes? 😄 THREE? I feel like the layering might've gone just a tad overboard tbh

[@armando3965]

Not even an onion uses so many layers

[@youngscott9970]

So, what you are saying is that I need to buy five jackets in order to have some fun outdoor.

[@Carbidestruck]

Fun is debatable, but yeah you need about 5 layers to not freeze to death in the arctic circle, not even including the cost of a shelter, sleeping bag and skiis. But in normal 3-season situations a synthetic shirt, rain jacket and light insulation piece will be more than sufficient.

[@meanredspider]

Why are there no Fjallraven gloves? Hats, belts, socks but no gloves - seems like an odd omission

[@mepmh]

Tad, that’s great information but the cost of that amount of fjallraven layering is going to be astronomical. What would be the cost effective solutions?

[@davidm8354]

You can't go cheap on expedition clothes. I spent 5k but it's an investment that should keep me covered for 8/10 years mountaineering

[@coops1964]

@@davidm8354 do you think Edmund Hilary spent the then equivalent of 5k when climbing Everest in 1953? I don’t.

[@davidm8354]

@@coops1964 I'm sure he spent the equivalent of the then 5k at the time

[@cecilyerker]

@@coops1964 I absolutely do. Expeditions were hugely expensive affairs and were documented in the newspapers of the time.

[@KarlMySuitcase]

He kind of tells you what the layers are made of. I have the vidda trousers a he uses, and just put some generic wool/synth longies under and it works great in the winter. But yeah I was thinking the same thing, like that gotta be 3K worth of clothes on him there.

[@dtq3809]

Do you have any idea how much money Ted is dressing =)

[@paganphil100]

@dtq3809: Close to £2000 at current prices.

[@duybear4023]

Christmas Story: I can't put my arms down!!!

[@DanielPetukhin]

While may be good for sales, you're misleading people that you need so many layers, even at subzero temperatures.

[@sriram5025]

He is a walking store!

[@mojoriden]

only 3500 usd.

[@alanshort7253]

This is crazy, that many layers will restrict mobility, and be very uncomfortable for hiking etc, you would need a huge pack to carry them to as you remove layers , totally impractical

[@justingarcia5012]

Ted already explained the details. He said that if you’re in a high paced activity, going around with much layers is not good. Layering is only good when you’re not doing much to retain heat. You should pay attention.

[@coops1964]

@@justingarcia5012 No, Alan is correct in what he says.

[@kentfreier5705]

My God. I thought I knew what layering meant until I watched this.

This whole video is weird. First of all he clearly is in an environment where he only needs a fraction of what he's showing off, which makes it look like he's just trying to sell stuff first and foremost, with no regard to some realism. Second, the "onion" layering myth is an invention of outdoor companies trying to sell as much as possible and in many/most scenarios provides suboptimal results when compared to the 2-layer rule of using baselayer and an apropriate type of jacket or fleece whenever humanely possible. When temps go down the first option should always be to switch jackets for a warmer one, not to layer stuff in between. The problem with layering is that it complicates moisture management (more layers = more stuff that can absorb moisture and it will because fleece likes to do that) and creation of a stable microclimate around the body. Wearing quality baselayer and a well designed breathable insulation layer with nothing inbetween makes it much easier for the jacket and the body to actually do their job. It's the same reason why it is generally recommended to sleep in a warmer sleeping bag with minimal clothes on rather than sleep in a thin bag with a down jacket on. Yes, this system has obvious limits - you can't go backpacking for days with 3 different puffy jackets and 3 different softshells... That's why I write "when possible" and let's be honest - the vast majority of outdoor brands' customers are people who drive to the trailhead and go for a daytrip 95 % of the year. Second, hardshell jackets should always firmly and loudly be in the "necessary evil" category, but Ted won't tell you that because he needs to sell. Goretex and other shells are going through a horrible hype period where any time I go out in the woods or open a KZbin video about mountaineering I see people deliberately suffering the abysmal breathability of a hardshell jacket (yes, even GTX) in situations that are far below the level of weather severity that calls for a hardshell. Drop it people! Don't do this to yourself! Carry a HS at the bottom of your pack for the one or two occasions in a year when you need it (if at all - even rain is not necessarilly a reason to wear a HS). There's a wide array of way more breathable materials and jackets to choose from. Sorry to all pro hardcore mountaineers who need a HS more often... but we all know that's just a tiny fraction of people buying outdoor stuff.

Hi Daniel! If your system works for you, that's great! The information in the film is Teds preference and works for him. The most important thing is to try out what works best for you. All people are different, some are more prone to sweat and overheat, and some are more likely to be cold and freeze. We totally agree regarding the shell garments, therefor we have made films about it. Check these ones out if you want to: Waterproof shell materials: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoqahayrns59bcU How to choose a shell layer: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hpaxnq2kZaeqqbc Have a nice day! / Lucas

[@coops1964]

Thank you Daniel, sensible words indeed.

[@jacksonburgess1461]

6 million dollars later, you've got one season sorted.

[@WHBJr]

I hear fjalraven is Very expensive 😢

Hey there, We understand our products are an investment, and we appreciate your support. Your feedback is important, and we’re always working to offer the best value to our customers. We'd like to explain a bit about what goes into our pricing. We prioritise high-quality materials like our G-1000 fabric, ethical production practices, and thoughtful design features like reinforced knees and multiple pockets to ensure our gear lasts for years. We also focus on sustainability, aiming to reduce the need for frequent replacements, which ultimately saves both money and resources in the long-term.

[@Dreyno]

I’d need to lose some weight before I start layering up like that. Michelin Man vibes.

[@2wheels1guy25]

Dude basically transformed into an onion…

[@Oldwiseguy-59]

The more layers, the worse your mobility

Depending on the activity you're doing, you might not want to wear quite as many layers as in this video. However, layering does make it easier to regulate your temperature while being active in the cold!

[@madcat1007]

This is an April Fools video right??? You have 27 layers on!!!!!!!

[@elishavetter7142]

This is wack. Too many layers, you don't want or need that many. For pretty much any outdoor conditions in the mountains, you need a synthetic t-shirt, a wool or polyester baselayer, a down jacket, and a shell. That's it.

[@flybyguy1450]

Didn't talk about pants at all... Also, you're wearing layers like you're in the arctic. Most people won't need to layer like that.

[@SurferWilly]

Or You can just move to Hawaii

[@oases666]

*He's dressed completely wrong, that's total bullshit.* Actually===> 1st layer: Polyester or polyamide slim fit thermal top. | 2st layer: Regular fit sweater in a blend of 100% Merino or 100% Cashmere or 50% Polyamide and 50% merino or cashmere. | 3st layer: Fleece or softshell regular fit slim jacket. | *4st layer: Goose down jacket with 600 or more filling power.* | 5st layer(weather dependent): Water and windproof comfortable fit shell jacket. [In this way, maximum heat balance is achieved up to -15 degrees Celsius. -20 and above require special overalls.]

[@dipankardas1760]

😨 What's the definition of psycho

[@benjaminkenobi21]

Really silly demonstration. Nobody would wear this combo of gear. Trying to sell as much shit as they can

[@realJimmy_Balls]

I guarantee you they are overselling.