How To Live With A Floyd Rose If You Hate It? Sharpen My Axe

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[@Loscha]

"Late at night I look at hard tail versions of you" -- when you said that, I died laughing. Had to pause video to regain composure.

[@MclovinJr117]

I had the same reaction to that joke. What made it better is i do the same with some of my floyd rose guitars.

[@benjaminlittle7916]

there are some sexier tail ends out there

[@county365]

Same here, I laughed loud enough that my wife came out to see what was going on in the living room.

[@CentaurusRelax314]

That was comedy gold. GOLD, i tell ya.

[@anidemolimacnauj]

I agree, that comment was epic

[@thomaswheeler8233]

I love how FR holds the tuning with heavy bending. I don't use whammy bar, so I had it blocked, coins on both sides. Ironically, it adds value to your guitar.

[@rockypower5168]

Can you downtune like a normal guitar when it's blocked?

[@thomaswheeler8233]

@@rockypower5168 Yes, just loosen up the neck lock and tune however you like.

[@AlmostLakai94]

@@thomaswheeler8233 so basically just get it set to my preference and use coins to keep it in place? If it's that simple I just opened my mind to a bunch of guitars for the future lol

[@thomaswheeler8233]

@@AlmostLakai94 I stuff coins on both sides of tremolo block. It's easy, safe for the guitar and reversible. Just make sure the bridge is in the right position.

[@thomaswheeler8233]

@@An2oine About 1.50 in change :)

[@Jeremoid]

I gotta be honest, my Ibanez RG with floating bridge has teached me so much. In the beginning it was so frustrating, but with patience and the right attitude, I honestly can say it was worth it. Love your videos... looking forward to get one of your shirts!

[@liamtahaney713]

does it have to be the lowest denomination coin? cause I bet silver dollars have better tone.

[@cydonia9342]

@Justin Last I prefer solid antimatter blocks. Can't deal with pennies at all

[@brandonanderson2066]

@Justin Last if you must use silver, soak them in vinegar. As long as you don't play barefoot you'll get outstanding tone.

[@brandonanderson2066]

@Guitar Dudeo oh yeah, that's why you see so many wigs and hats on stage. It hurts the tone a bit but help with the nasal passages.

[@Win7ermu7e]

Canadian Looney bro

[@tonydedoscortados217]

As long as you boil the pennies for 10 minutes it should be ok

[@MrStephenlederle]

"late at night I look at hard tail versions of you" that's fucking brilliant! Love it!

[@rhyantoothbrush4417]

is it just me or does everyone think that when they meet him irl, he will be a very kind person.

[@illuminatiCorgi]

It was 2008. I was 18. At this point I had been playing for around 2 years, when my girlfriend at the time spotted a guitar in the window at our local pawn store, and asked if I liked it. The guitar in question was a Ibanez RG370DX...which had a Floyd Rose. Steve Vai had a Floyd Rose which meant when the 18 year old me saw it, It had to be mine. No question. I had no idea of the utter horrors I was getting myself into 😐 I had no idea that changing to even dropped tuning would be a greater challenge to me than High School was. That changing to a step down would be more painful than jamming my arm into the jaws of a Great White, and asking it politely to, 'bite down harder, thanks 😐'. Yet. Fast forward 12 years. I was moving into a new house, and was searching through my belongings at my brothers house, when seemingly out of the darkness, shone the ibanez that I had tortured myself with, years before. Back when I was a young student, who could barely play the game of life, let alone fix this guitar. But, now there was a man was holding this guitar, a man who had access to a pit of unlimited knowledge that could aid him in his quest...that pit was KZbin. And today, I can happily say that I blocked the fucking existence out of that ibanez with a 1/4 inch pieace of timber. It is now my Drop B guitar, and is now looking forward to it's first upgrade in the coming weeks; New nobs, a new pickup surround, replacing the long lost pickup selector switch and most importantly, a pickup upgrade. Possibly Dimarzio but I'm also thinking of trying a Seymour Duncan Invader in white in the bridge. Regardless. My point is this. If you buy a guitar with a floyd rose, put it back in the case, and get yourself a triangle 😐👍 Kind Regards

[@danielquiroz8294]

Illuminati Corgi dude it’s not that bad Jesus Christ😂

[@mouadgranderson9618]

Or learn how to setup a FR. Not that hard.

[@natesenft5376]

Lmao, I have other guitars which is the only reason I wanna get a Floyd, idk why they get so much hate, next time I go to the store I’ll need to try a few

[@milotin2755]

Get a hard tail from drop tunings Jesus Christ

[@milotin2755]

For

[@RedmondCid]

I LOVE my Floyd Rose! They're not that complicated, and learning to set them up yourself goes a long way. I've recently upgraded to Titanium, worth every penny.

[@e.g.systems6146]

I run a Floyd (floating) on most of my guitars, and they all stay in tune, because they are set up correctly, and are maintained. When I look at guitars that have tuning problems, I find the string saddles aren't tight, or the locking nut is loose on the next, or the trem springs aren't clamped in with a flat bar across the bottom, etc. It's not rocket surgery.... :O)

[@jgrossma]

Not only have I had no problems with tuning stability with a proper locking Floyd Rose, I actually have a guitar with a stock floating trem setup I picked up out of storage after five years and it was still in tune! As you say, so long as they're set up properly the system DOES work. Still, I just don't care for trems. I can do vibrato with my fingers just fine, thanks. As a matter of personal preference, the ability to wiggle chords or drop harmonics isn't nearly so interesting to me as the ability to change strings without a wrench or bend one string keeping others in tune.

[@Satchmoeddie]

If you know how to precision build a guitar, a stock vintage Strat trem can float and stay in tune as well as any locking trem. Even if the guitar was not hand built to the precision needed to float a 6 screw trem, there are ways to cheat. Either use 4 smaller screws in the middle, which looks kinda off, or very very carefully grind down 4 screws just under the heads, but beware, you can wind up with a screw broken off in the body, if you screw it up. The next trick is how to set the spring claw. It needs to be clocked at an angle. Your nut needs to be filed very precisely, and everything need to be spot on including string trees.

[@e.g.systems6146]

Umm, no, nope, that's not it. Have another guess. My guitars really do stay in tune. Dive bomb until all strings floppy, release trem arm, check tuner.... yep, all in tune. Do you see EVH swapping guitars every 10 mins on stage? No? There'll be a reason for that....

[@metallitech]

Your floyd rose guitars go out of tune every time you bend a note.

[@jgrossma]

EG systems, my experience has been the same. If the Floyd system is set up correctly, and the strings broken in, then you can drop down until all the strings flop loose, or pull up until they bottom out against the fingerboard, let go, and the guitar will go right back in tune. There are reasons why EVH, Satriani, Vai, and many other noted trem users use these systems, on stage, all the time. And again, I'm not some kind of Floyd "fanboy". . .I don't like tremolos at all.

[@Jawamie_Jr.]

i love floyds. super stable and just plain fun. dive bombs and flutters and simple vibrato, they're just a sick tool to have. wouldn't recommend one as your only guitar though

[@lethean1757]

yeag my only guitar ı still liked it but its hard to live with it

[@ivankrushensky]

The truth of the matter though....the same principles apply no matter trem/bridge system you have. In reality, you should never simply change tuning on your guitar without adjusting some things (neck relief, spring tension, intonation, etc.)....

[@josephherron7671]

I have two, both with Floyds. And I wouldn't have it any other way.

[@Liberalunconformest]

This helped so much. I stopped playing my floyed rose guitar for YEARS and although i've always loved it it drove me nuts. Im so happy that i saw this vid, Thank you so much!!!

[@jalilabdsukur6265]

"Late at night i look at hardtail versions of you". Oh my god! Oh my god! I'm gonna use that line in my next song! I didnt know Phil is a standup comedian. LOL

[@megacomus]

I absolutely love my Ibanez Edge Zero tremolo, I've always wanted a guitar that I could slam on the whammy bar, up and down, and then play a perfect chord, and this trem does just that. I've had it since 2008 and it gives me zero problems, so nice to adjust the spring tension for different setups with the dial on the back. I guess I got kinda lucky with the timing of the purchase because looking through some reviews the general consensus seems to be that the Edge Zero II is made of cheaper materials and not as good.

[@LauraSquirrel]

I hate all tremolos. Switching over to guitars with fixed bridges was the best thing that I ever did.

[@briantaylor340]

Agree totally! I still have one Floyd guitar and it's about to get traded for a Tele.

[@deanmccaskill5495]

Thank you for reading my mind!!! Flush em down I say!!

[@MickeyD2012]

Why so much hate?

[@LauraSquirrel]

Well, for I, it's cost. Especially when I was a kid and my parents were the ones that were buying my stuff for me. My dad was always bitching me out because my strings were constantly breaking. That was from 91' to '98. Once I bought my first guitar with my own money, I bought an ESP with a fixed bridge. Since that time, I could count the number of strings that I've broken on both hands with fingers to spare. Plus, the tunings are much more stable, for the most part. Sure, if I'm tremolo picking and doing a lot of deep bends (with my fingers! fuck that bar!), then yeah, I'm going out of tune. But, I no longer need to replace my strings on a near constant basis.

[@Slamthulhu]

2 words bro: blocked, tremolos. Nothing except a Evertune will stay in tune better than that my Ibanez prestige RG1527 with the blocked edge pro can last for insane times without going out of tune, same thing with my MTM2, the fixed edge III never has to be tuned

[@daltonlouzada627]

Thanks man! I was thinking about selling my guitar because of the Floyd and now I will definitely keep it! Thanks to you.

[@nos59burst74]

FYI, flip your caliper around and put that end in the space to measure the gap. They're for when you want to measure from the "inside" of some distance.

[@Pelonius]

Dude, I love open tunings but it sucks doing a setup every time I tune... this is awesome. Thanks!!!!

[@d.coldewey2401]

Dude, you just saved me 74,94€ on blocking my Floyd. Think that were the most well invested 6 cent of my life.

[@pushrod49]

Every time I see that picture on YT I laugh my tail off. I'd love to see you ad that as one of your t-shirt designs. There are only about 5 guitar YT'er's that I follow and in all honesty you are number one. I'm almost 70 and my attention span doesn't seem to extend past 6 or 7 minutes and you always pack all your info in that time. Thanks for all the effort and for being the man you are.

[@klew5988]

🤣🤣 I love the thumbnail pic from this video. Explains how I felt when I got home for the first time with a floyd rose guitar not knowing what I had

[@Misfitnz8]

floyd rose is 100 times better than a fender tremolo for me.

[@swingset1969]

Has nothing to do with anything, really.

[@outerspace9392]

I think bigsby is much preetier and you dont have to fuck with all the screws and shit

[@anonymoususer3496]

Strat 2 point trem is just as good once setup. Only kids do big bends

[@epoizparadigma8986]

ye agree

[@justinobello1378]

You must never change your tuning ? lol

[@kaydencrews2303]

why would block it? the point of a floyd rose is to do divebombs!!!

[@THRASHMETALFUNRIFFS]

You sir are /w\METAL/w\ thank you

[@buffalosteve287]

Cuz the guy at the store only told us about the dive bombs. Not the other crap that comes with it.

[@skullcandy5411]

But u can still do dive bombs since u can have it go forward but block it from going backwards

[@Slinging_INK]

It's all a gilded lie

[@ThorGuitarCovers]

cause bitches be lazy

[@matthewhale9831]

Thank you so much Phillip! I own a Schecter Synyster Gates Custom S with a Sustaniac neck pickup, i HATE the Floyd Rose system on it, i even thought about returning it, but it’s such a badass guitar i decided to keep it, i looked all over youtube to find videos on how to remove the whole tremolo system and replace it with a hard tail bridge, i finally found your video after looking since September! I am so happy! I can put it in any tuning i want ZERO ISSUES WHATSOEVER, i love Killswitch Engage, and achieving their Drop C tuning is a breeze, keep making amazing content, and keep being awesome!!

[@art_forever_32]

Thank you for this... Had so much frustration restringing and breaking new strings... Just ordered new strings and cant wait to restring my ibanez js100 edge pro III tremolo with your video help.

[@gabefoltz5815]

Dude, you deserve a "youtube emmy" for this. I have watched this "cold open" at least a couple dozen times. Absolutely fantastic!

[@pavanellibooks]

This year I made a promise to myself... I'll NEVER buy a guitar with a floyd rose system again

[@DuelingDragonsMusic]

Jadiscreisson I did the same a decade ago! No regrets! All hardtail for me.

[@MobileDecay]

Vince Van Lightning Yep. I did that when I was a kid.

[@Trojanarchist]

I played a jackson warrior in a store and the high E string broke at the bridge while playing the low E. The store employee wasn’t even surprised

[@bill9989]

I'm about to pay $70 more for a PRS SE Custom 24 WITHOUT a Floyd Rose. A chain is having a phenomenal sale on that guitar WITH a Floyd. No freaking way. I just ordered a non-Floyd from another store and actually paid more. Weird stuff.

[@94SexyStang]

yeah just give up........that's how you probably go threw life!

[@staleyexplores]

I had my first experience setting up a FR yesterday, extremely fun and challenging! Now I need to do it again to really make the set up process stick. the guitar played wonderfully after 2 hours of head scratching and a few youtube videos.

[@metallixro]

I was looking at the official tremol-no website and found some very low quality audio and video demos from 2006. So thanks for this video Phil you're the man!

[@birdsephone]

Thank you for saving my life, I hate Floyd Roses but own a 6 string electric that was passed down to me that I really want to put some work into. I also love the neck it's such a comfortable guitar to play. So this saves me from having to buy a whole new guitar when I already love everything except the Floyd Rose about this one!

[@THRASHMETALFUNRIFFS]

LEarn how to USE IT!!

[@aliensporebomb]

Realize that most stores sell guitars with floyd rose bridges on them without instructions because then they get you for the cost of a setup. Learn to do it yourself. If you are mechanically adept you can learn how to make these things work.

[@John.1997.]

aliensporebomb unfortunately every cool looking guitar i like has a floyd rose

[@AveryGuitar]

@@John.1997. which guitars are you looking at?

[@danielvelkovski3156]

John Angulo what’s wrong with a floyd rose id never switch to anything else.

[@AveryGuitar]

Well if you don't need it, then its one less thing to worry about. Guitars without Floyd's are easier to tune by far & you can bend with less effort thanks to the bridge not moving. You can make it go sharp by resting your hand on the bridge, which can be rather annoying. There's a lot of other reasons too. It just depends on what you want to play.

[@danielvelkovski3156]

Very_Icy nah man there’s lots of 3rd party improvements that i made to my floyd that solved these issues. I put in a black box stabilizer. It’s basically a stabilizer that acts like a hard tail but lets me dive up/down. I can bend the strings all I want and the rest wont go out of tune. I can break a string and the rest of the strings stay in tune. The stabilizer holds the bridge in the zero position so no issue resting your hand.

[@gabefoltz5815]

Phil, Greetings from Peoria (AZ)! Discovered your channel a few months ago, and even been listening in on the last few weekly Q&As. Great stuff. Decided to check even deeper into your back catalog of videos, and stumbled on this. I think if I had had the need, I woulda peed my pants when you delivered the "hardtail" line. Amazing! Thanks for some awesome content, and please, MORE BASS!!!

[@chriswallace9387]

I love that picture of him sitting away from the guitar looking away...priceless!

[@Satchmoeddie]

I have been cutting maple blocks for tremolos for 39 years now. I also sell and install Tremol-No, Trem Setter and Ibanez Backstops, as well as my own machined super-sustain aluminum, steel, or bell brass block clamps. I drill and tap the sustain block and grind to fit. I can set up floating vintage Strat tremolos so they will stay in tune, 95% of the time. Sometimes there is something amiss with the guitar so it can't be done, but it's usually doable. I still have one of the first Kahler Flyer tremolos on a 1970s Les Paul Kahler used at a NAMM show. The cam block needs replacing after 10,000 hours of playing, I am on the 3rd set of frets and it is ready for another refret. I am down to .022" and still have trenches in the frets so them gotta go, again.

[@MrTubularBalls]

+Seth B Cool, the Backstop doesn't really block the trem though. I have one on an 540S (Edge trem), disabled it so I can do gargles, no problems with going out of tune whatsoever. I haven't played it in years, so I just checked it.. Apart from the B string having gone a bit sharp it's still in tune. Edge and variants are the most stable trems I've worked with. And I always thought disabling pull-ups on the trem was for staying in tune when you break a string. Jennifer Batten complained that she had to do that when she went on tour with Michael Jackson.

[@ianperge7331]

+MrTubularBalls If your 540S is in quality condition (VG or higher), you "haven't played it in years", and would like to make some $$, drop me a line - I might be interested in taking it off your hands if it's not in them. ;-)

[@MrTubularBalls]

Ian Perge Since you mention $$, I assume you're in the US. I'm in the EU, you'd have to pay an import tarrif. Apart from that, I scalloped the frets from the 12th string up, so I'm not sure if "VG" aplies.. but thanks for the offer!

[@rupertbaxter2274]

Wow, that intro was really hilarious!

[@apeekaboo]

This is the best intro ever! =D Good suggestions for those who want to block their trem system. I have a floating FR on my PRS SE Custom 24 Floyd Rose and it stays so well in tune since I bothered to set it up correctly, that I haven't had the need for tuning ever since. Much better than all my other guitars, and this is the guitar I bring to rehearsals and do crazy dive bombs with.

[@eikbike]

That opening was freaking hilarious!!!!

[@viktor1797able]

Once in a while I just come back to hear the "Late at night I look at hard tail versions of you". It always makes me laugh :)

[@GoDrex]

Don't buy a guitar with a Floyd if you don't want to use it. The Floyd Rose is one of the best pieces of guitar tech ever invented, but you need to learn how it works if you want its benefits. Defeating the Floyds function is kind of silly. Just get a guitar without a Floyd if they bother you. Also if you're having trouble with intonation be sure to get "the key" - do a search for floyd rose intonation tool

[@Azathoth43]

This, this, this, a thousand times this.

[@linckx]

Absolutely right, I must say though, he mentions in the first minute that it's about having a Floyd Rose guitar where you didn't have that choice. And if you would still like to keep it and play with it, this vid might be helpful. I would step into your boat and change/trade/sell it and get me one that fits my own needs.

[@ZiddersRooFurry]

Why the fuck does anyone care so much whether or not people use their floyd properly? It's just a piece of equipment not a fucking religious artifact lol

[@Invocated_Agitator]

Why would ANYONE buy ANOTHER guitar without floyd rose if all they need to do is to block it?!

[@thomass7466]

Invocated Agitator or at least remove it but not destroy

[@dominickedwardscantore9001]

Thanks for showing me how the Floyd rose works ! I was thinking about getting one on my strat but after watching what a headache they are , No way !!! Thanks for saving me the headaches Phil ...

[@jeanpereira2522]

This was one of the most useful vids I’ve watched thanks dude you’re the best!! it made my charvel the perfect gig guitar I used the coin trick :)

[@Bobcatspiritdude]

After years of owning different guitars- I truly believe it just depends on the guitar itself. Some Floyd's work flawless , and others you tune it more than you play it !! Anyone else agree ??

[@Bobcatspiritdude]

Plus I didn't realize there are so many different versions of the Floyd rose or the edge tremelo systems

[@J8D2]

For sure. I had an Ibanez Takeuchi Japan built floyd that would not stay in tune, constantly going flat. One of the tricks is make sure the posts are in good shape and and the bushings are properly seated in the body. Its quite a common problem with the Korean made models to have the bushings reem out their hole in the body and become too slack.

[@jaketheripper7385]

If your Floyd aint stayin in tune, then there's only two possibilities: Either it was setup improperly or hastily (likely the latter, since many techs rush through FR setups due to their "pain in the ass" nature. Personally I enjoy setting them up and for full floating usage mind you, but then again I went through a phase where every guitar I owned but one was FR equipped so I got REALLY good at setting them up). And the second possibility is that quite simply: It aint a real Floyd. 9 out of 10 that I see are either licensed garbage or the 'somewhat better but still not as good' Floyd Rose Special series - a Floyd product designed and underseen by FR, but produced entirely overseas in the east. They're actually not bad for a budget double locking trem, but they're still no "Original German Made Floyd Rose".

[@coldkiller6971]

I have a FR Special on my guitar and I do have problems with it going slightly outta tune when I use the whammy heavily,and the bridge itself is angled more towards the springs and I can't seem to get it to level out with the body of the guitar.Is that just because it's a Special or is there something else I'm missing? I'm relatively inexperienced with these guitars

[@DrewMIATL]

You don’t by chance live in the Atlanta area do you?

[@naegleriafowleri2230]

@@coldkiller6971 thats one of the worst bridges there is lol

[@yeserguitar]

You just saved my life. I love musicman majesty again

[@TheCrimsonIdol987]

That pennies trick is genius for when it comes time to change the strings on my Jackson. Nice handy, temporary trick to keep the bridge still for string changing.

[@necurrence1776]

First, have yourself a legit Floyd Rose that is tunning stable and has good sustain not those cheap material "licensed" bs . Release the locking nut, drop some coins in the trem block to hold it steady while stringing. Then, tune your guitar in this order : Low E, E, B, A, G, D. Then check the bridge plate to be flush with the guitar, otherwise make it flush from those 2 spring screws and repeat tunning if necessary. Tighten the locking nut. Adjust the fine tuners in the bridge. They are able to go as far as a whole step. You're welcome

[@flathorizon1529]

Exactly the answer I was looking for. Thanks dude!

[@boblazar316]

Uh no lol u guys are stupid...just learn how to tune it i taught myself in 2 hours

[@matibf2]

Ohh man you made me laugh at the beginning 😂😂

[@Sixfootdig]

I found your channel and i gotta say, I absolutely love your videos! keep up the great work man!!

[@d1l4te43]

Just bought a Tremol No, thanks for the installation vid

[@lorenmars5244]

Every Floyd Rose trem I've had works flawlessly. Full float mode all the time. Just don't expect it to work under detuning any more than just a drop D on the low E string. That's just not how physics work. Decent strings and sensible maintainence means I can whammy all day and still let go and strum a perfectly tuned E Major. If your trem can't do that, find out where it's failing and fix it. .10 gauge strings and heavier seem to perform the best. This is why pros still rely on them. EVH and JS know this.

[@iamd.j.7590]

I've never had tuning problems with mine

[@donovangordon1062]

You, my friend, are one in a million...and I envy you.

[@iamd.j.7590]

+Donovan Gordon lol

[@jewhima]

Me either. I have 9 guitars. 5 of them have a Floyd. If it doesn't stay in tune, change the springs, (because springs do stretch out eventually) problem solved.

[@TheUnleashedGamerX]

The strings are pinched between nut and tremolo. they cant detune with a floyd rose. it's not possible.

[@tingweihu5175]

IAmD.J. Same, my Floyd stays in tune better than my guitars with other tuners and bridges

[@akhil38114]

I improvised using some duct tape, playing cards, change an eraser and glue. Worked like a charm. Thank you!

[@JJ-JOHNSON]

Akhil Rajani I used old credit card, measure the first one to size, then cut enough card to fill the gap, glue the cut card together and put a spot of glue to hold in place. p.s. cut the cards to come up right below the springs, works perfect.

[@jorgefernando9306]

After years of love and hate, the love took the place after I installed the tremol-no on my guitar... That's life changing, fixing even cheap floyd rose special models...

[@phreak1118]

Not sure why people hate Floyd Rose... I have had them since the early 90's and never have tuning problems with them. The only problem I occasionally have is wiggle/play in the trem bar on some guitars. And no... I am not going to put tape on a $3000 ESP.

[@JAEZSC90]

Say no to the tremolno and keep the floyd stock. Nothing wrong with the floyd in my opinion. I love mine and I find it easier to changed strings on all my floyds than my hardtails. To each his own I guess.

[@marcus6872]

Well I meet the odd fellow that can't even set a tune-o-matic, and I've had to fix a messed up floyd for a friend after he just had a setup done...at a music store mind you. Not too surprising people don't know how to set them, I mean who's got time to watch a 10 minutes video anyway. But then again, some people think those absolute piece of shit (the ones I've come across anyway) Licensed Under Floyd Rose Pats bridges are the same as an actual Floyd. Fuckin doorstops those things are.

[@J8D2]

I don't hate them but I think they're a burden unless you use one A LOT. I've set them up for people before and although I don't think they're too difficult to setup, intonation aside. My advice to anyone who wants a floyd equipped guitar would be to learn to set it up yourself and get a good one. Tech's in general hate them.

[@richardede9594]

I have a cheap licensed Jackson Floyd. Stays in tune and behaves incredibly well. Maybe I got lucky.

[@outerspace9392]

@@greekfreak1980 no mr, there are also ppl like me who thing Floyd Rose is godawful ugly

[@paulj0557tonehead]

Word has it Valarie did this to Frankenstein after a heated argument with Eddie.

[@nomadman1196]

I just installed the Brace for the Floyd Rose. It seemed that the hooks were on a shorter base than the original which made putting on the springs a little more difficult. I tried to level it with a screwdriver as best as I could while tightening the screws. It seemed to tune back up fine. Thanks for the video. 👍

[@MrBuion]

one things about your videos is great that they are not toooo long, so one can watch it all ;-) and get all the information, thanks very much , i'm always learning something new

[@bengarcia8202]

i don't understand, i thought the whole point of the floyd rose was that it had better tuning stability and that it was a big improvement over the fender vibrato system

[@ChrisLawlor1]

A Floyd is more stable while you're playing - you can dive bomb or pull up as much as you want and your tuning will be dead on when you're done. However, trying to change tunings can be a nightmare. The system relies on a balance between the spring tension, and the tension of your strings. The moment you change anything, even just going to dropped D, you change the balance and the bridge moves a little bit one way or the other, and throws all your other strings out of tune. It's not that big of a deal if you're keeping the guitar in the same tuning all the time, but if you like to change tunings it can be a real pain.

[@honzakrcil7454]

+Chris Lawlor I dont know if you are aware of the fact that when you block off the tremolo while detuning/ changing tuning (by putting almost anything between the back part of the tremolo and the guitar in the "hole" there :D ) it is actually ok to change tunings :)

[@swarmer5]

Chris Lawlor only takes 10 mins to change tunings so i dont see a problem

[@otisgaming9842]

Swarmer 10 mins to change tunings is fine in the studio. When you’re live...well you come back and tell us how many bottles are thrown at your face!

[@Walamonga1313]

Mathew House That's why you keep a spare guitar, preferably a hardtail

[@anonymousanonymous1314]

I always remove tremolos from my guitars and replace them with vibratos. Whenever I use a tremolo it makes my volume warble instead of my pitch. What's with that?

[@Thrashmetalman]

installed one of these in my jackson sl1 cause I never use the floyd anymore and I now play it even more. Little finicky to get setup just right at first but been rock solid ever since.

[@charlesb7831]

I have two guitars with Floyds and two without. It's all in the set up, all four of them stay intune with no issues. My Kramer Nightswan I bought back in 1991-92 and I have a Hamer Californian I bought about 15 years ago. They both work great! The two hard tails are a Epiphone Zakk Wylde model and a Gibson Les Paul.

[@petunialuckens]

Kahler, rail-tail, TransTrem, ZR, edge bridge... Floyd did it first, but they by no means do it the best.

[@PhillipMcKnight]

Very good points. I love Ibanez Edge more, But kahler is fantastic

[@davidb5607]

Ibanez Edge!!!!!

[@willroland9811]

Edges are too smooth. Floyd's have a sort of recoil to them that is uniquely thiers... We've had smooth from day 1, Bigsby owns that flavor...

[@ryryshreds6583]

The trans trem is probably the finest guitar tremolo out there if you ask me I wish guibson would bring them back and give steinberger some more love

[@givemeajackson]

idk where all the kahler love is coming from recently, but i only ever had trouble with them. latest floyd on the other hand is rock solid.

[@aryinc]

a licensed floyd won't go out of tune quickly. just tune it like a you tune a hard tail "but" make sure that when you tune or retune with fresh string to dip it a half step and then retune to the pitch. that way you know that it doesn't go out of tune behind the niut and that the strings slide fine over the nut and doesn't get stuck. then lock trem blocks hand tight and fine tune if needed, keep the finetuners a bit above half for extra slack.

[@mikewithers299]

arjan snijder same techniques I use, and it has worked for me for years. I agree that FR's take more time to set up at first, but you can do so much with them if your style of playing needs it.

[@aryinc]

absolutely correct mike. it can add allot, you don't need all tremelo guitars but the guitars aren't that much of a problem. i think people exarragate the issues.

[@mikewithers299]

arjan snijder I totally agree with you. It's probably more out of frustration they bash a FR, but I like having a couple in my collection for those dives or whammy effects when I need it

[@schizophrenicgaming5007]

Got my FR today and it's the most fun I've had on guitar. And setting it up doesn't bother me at all, worth every dollar I spent on it.

[@joey93527]

i just got a prs torero and the Floyd rose works perfectly love it best electric ive ever owned

[@memnoch6]

I own a PRS custom 24 Floyd Rose in the beggining it was an Inferno but now i undestand how to live in tune with that beauty

[@Skrubenz]

2:23 That's not how you use a caliper

[@BKermes700]

Hahaha my thoughts exactly!

[@necurrence1776]

Me as a mechanical engineer at 2:23 *ah man, don't use the caliper like that, I almost trusted you

[@drewsmith3673]

If it's a "licensed by Floyd Rose" system, then that's what it deserves.

[@CentaurusRelax314]

This was tremendous.

[@beltermedia]

YEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH

[@Psyxic_Crimes]

Do you listen to Bill Burr, by any chance?

[@philljrton]

I took the neck from my favorite and first Ibanez with Floyd rose and put it on a hard tale body from ebay. works really good

[@grungical]

thank you so much Phillip this was the best demo on how to do this

[@lewisbirkett4428]

it's painful seeing a floyd rose being destroyed

[@outerspace9392]

Not really for me, i hate floyd rose quite a bit

[@melverys]

I died a little when he cut the wire

[@thegatesofsleep]

I don’t know how anyone could say they hate a Floyd Rose. It can make the guitar sound incredible and enables it to do things you’d never be able to.

[@outerspace9392]

@@thegatesofsleep but its ugly

[@thegatesofsleep]

Waffer Then don’t get one. Don’t know too many musicians that won’t get a quality product because it’s ugly..

[@dobbs123456789]

Does the Tremel-no work on 7 strings? Are there different claws for different amounts of strings on a guitar? Great vid dude.

[@PhillipMcKnight]

It will work on a 7 string no problem. I have one on my Ibanez 7

[@johnt.campbell316]

Yea, me too! I have one on my 7 string Ibanez. Such an ingenious invention.

[@mnowaczek8480]

+John T. Campbell I have an Ibanez RG1570 (6-string) Prestige, I assume this will work too? Because if yes, I can finally revive my love to this extremely comfortable guitar.

[@dancortes2164]

+Mikolaj N it deppends, if you have the zero bridge sistem, it wont work but if you have the edge pro, it should work

[@mnowaczek8480]

+Dan Metallic I've got the 'Edge Zero 2'. So I'm pretty much fucked?

[@joedoherty1062]

I love the wood idea. Seems like the perfect compromise between cost and function

[@FaZeZo0M]

Never had this problem with my '86 E-Series MIJ Strat. The floating bridge on that works like a charm

[@glytch5]

I don't agree with the first statement... my Floyd rose guitars always stayed in tune fantastic once set!

[@THRASHMETALFUNRIFFS]

@J Thorsson Wrong! Change to Drop D no problem and even E flat! Drop D takes 3 seconds, Eflat takes less than a minute See my vid, How to change tunings quickly with a Floyd

[@1969atam]

I used a FR from 1990 until a few years back on one guitar I had and I'd never go back. I sold the trem and got €90 for it. Not bad for a 30 year old piece. The hassle of cutting strings and fine tuning, blaaaa. I hate it. I even locked it down at one stage. I also hate the height of it and the ugly locking nut. Never again my friends. I love the simplicity of Fender type systems and the new Wilkinsons are pretty good too.

[@jasonbone5121]

You have to cut new strings anyway, and the finer tuners are a fucking god send, not a bitch. WTF? I wish all bridges had fine tuners.

[@donovanolguin977]

@@jasonbone5121 honeslty fine tuners are useful and just great

[@MetalLizardJesus]

Another fantastic video man. Just about to try the coin method now. Wish me luck!

[@n.h.moreno]

Thanks Philip!!! Awesome video. I just bought a Jackson mit Floyd Rose's. They are not all that I thought they'd be... I had in my mind, thought they would NEVER go out of tune and be perfect, but... Now, I am not so sure---especially with trying to adjust the action VS. string height/intonation/quick drop-tuning usage. So, this helps. Thanks, again! :)

[@daleonov]

Today I literally had to take a nap after restringing a FR guitar with a different gauge of strings. Do you think tremol-no will work for a 7-string guitar? I've been thinking about getting it for a while, but I have 4 (sometimes even 5) springs in my FR and that's a LOT of tension - I'm afraid it might tear the thing apart, it looks kind of fragile.

[@daleonov]

P.S. That intro skit was brilliand XD

[@utooberblooper]

are you a little bit simple minded? a nap after 10 minutes work,you are fucking useless

[@daleonov]

trillriff-axegrinder yeah thanks a lot

[@MrTubularBalls]

I have to take 5 after every youtube comment I read. Let alone type..

[@tferraro1474]

Useless effort... like buying a Bugatti Veyron and then disabling two of its turbos.

[@tferraro1474]

***** do you have a better one in mind? I would think that if you buy a guitar with a Floyd Rose you should know both what you're getting into and how to work with it. Personally if your going to go to that trouble you might just want to save all your pennies and buy a 2nd guitar with a hard tail. It's not any fun not being able to do pull ups on the Floyd Rose... at least for me that's one of the reasons I bought one.

[@likeanuuk6612]

+Thomas Ferraro sometimes people want a guitar but it only comes with a floyd rose bridge. i always prefer fixed bridge and blocking the floyd rose is a very easy mod.

[@tferraro1474]

Hoshi Hearts then perhaps they should be patient and look for a different guitar. after all, two of the most important aspects of learning how to be a good musician is patience and discipline.

[@ReneeNme]

I own both an Ibanez and a Fender Strat that have standard trem systems, but I also own a Jackson Dinky~DK2 (Japanese ) and a Fender Fat Strat that are both running Floyd Rose trem systems. You're right, if an individual doesn't have the patience ( as far as learning curves are concerned regarding different styled tremolo systems ) then they should just stick with guitars that have stoptail/hardtails bridges and call it a day. Myself, I've never owned an electric that didn't have a trem system. As a matter of fact, my very first electric guitar ( a beat up old Gibson ) had a Bigsby. Sure, it was beat up, but it could sing like a bird.

[@metallitech]

Lets face it, the floyd rose is a bad invention. Bending one string puts all the others out of tune. Enough said?

[@hectikmgj]

Acquiring an older Jackson and it's got a Jackson licensed Floyd that I want to block completely. I do own a Floyd rose guitar but definitely prefer hardtails for most things, and am glad to see you did a video on this.

[@paridox4ever]

that neon charvel is beautiful, BEAUTIFUL.

[@nickaiken1310]

Doesn't stay in tune if you don't have a real one ;3

[@Akazu69]

My Edge Zero equipped Ibanez S-series stays in tune for months, even with lot's of bending and dive bombing.

[@LindonBindon]

"you dont stay in tune" WHAT? I had my Ibanez RG550 from 1989 in a case for maybe 2 years unplayed and when i picked it up, it was in perfect tune. Not like my Gibson (not gonna say what model so you cant say "well that is a shitty guitar") that was in case for maybe 2 weeks and it was completely out of tune. So ... i dont know about the "original" Floyd Rose but the Ibanez one (at least the 1989 one) is always in tune.

[@linckx]

haha that preview picture together with the title already put a smile on my face!

[@SophiaAphrodite]

I get the frustration. My first electric guitar, my Peavey Tracer I bought in 1995 had one. I actually still have it and I LOVE it. I will completely redo the setup every 5 years. It did take me a few years of tinkering to figure it all out and how it worked on my guitar. But I did not even change any of the hardware until last year, it was so reliable. I blocked it once, for about a week. Realized that was just silly.

[@SteveSchuffert]

Well.....I own most all Trem systems made on various gtrs and my Floyd 1000 is fine. No issues. Only thing I recommend is getting the “push in bar” made by Floyd for any FR system. If you want to block it buy the FR block. Personally I don’t block trems, never as good feel, expression etc ( for me )

[@Messier31NGC224]

Ya fuck that, I'm just getting a hardtail

[@edroman2388]

There’s a part called a Black Box. It’s installed into the tremolo cavity and works against the springs to keep your Floyd in tune by helping it return to its original position after diving. It also keeps the Floyd from going out of tune if a string breaks.

[@nathanloggins1721]

Never had any issues with my Floyd Rose but I stay in standard tuning as a matter of fact I have a Charvel San Dimas I bought 7 years ago great guitar!

[@instrumentalist28]

i have a floyd special one guitar, an official on another and a gfs on another....and i can't live without them being on my guitars...i refuse to own any guitar tune o matic, hard tail, evertune...etc

[@utooberblooper]

i own a original floyd guitar,a licensed by floyd guitar, a shaller floyd guitar,a kahler trem guitar,a strat trem guitar and about 10 hardtails/or tune o matics,youve gotta love them all. i would LOVE an evertune guitar

[@The1stMrJohn]

... Isaac...... Evertune are releasing one of their self tuning mechanical spring driven thingys , which is also a Floyd-Rose!! looking for a diagram of how that works

[@Metal-Possum]

This dude doesn't know how to use a caliper. You use the OPPOSITE SIDE for measuring between spaces...

[@AngusNB]

The caliper is too long to fit flat in the spring cavity.

[@Utouchit2]

bull shit. you can use the bottom too

[@frmcf]

nor does he know how to set up a strat

[@ihave_noidea]

Locomotive why is that a rebuttal?

[@timsmith5021]

Almond brother

[@JMacQ77]

Great video, I love the humor. I know you're probably referring to the original Floyds (which I have no experience with,) but I have a beaten-up 1988 Ibanez Jem777DY with its Ibanez Edge Pro trem system, and I have an early Jem7VWH from 1994 with their early Lo-Pro Edge trem, and both have always stayed in tune for me. It was admittedly very difficult after I bought those guitars to find shops and techs who were competent to work on them, but once I did, and they were set up properly, those two are still my favorite guitars. I have developed arthritis in both hands since my playing days (15 years ago,) so I don't use any of my guitars every day, any day, hardly at all. Every now and then I will take one of the old Jems out of their case and try to play a little bit, just for nostalgia. And even though neither of them has seen any professional help in the last two decades, they still are both as perfectly in tune.

[@henrythe8th155]

The first electric guitar that I ever owned has a Floyd Rose II, and I thought that it was the coolest thing at 12 years old (in the 1980s). However, tuning, changing the strings, getting everything set up again was nearly impossible for me. I don't play the guitar today for this reason. Thanks for the video!

[@jayaneyon9316]

My dimebag guitar with a Floyd stays in tune great. IDK why everyone says they go out of tune.

[@coldkiller6971]

I gotta dean dime razorback,Floyd rose special for the bridge and I have it figured out but it goes out of tune frequently and I think it could be because of the tuning locks not grabbing the string

[@dirtsquadatv2714]

@@coldkiller6971 you need to adjust with the screws in the back. I've had a dean dime guitar and a washburne since 97. Just give the screws in the back little tweaks to go flat or sharp. My guitars are always in tune. Unlike my standard guitars.

[@konanarcher]

sorry for the dumb question what is the problem with the Floyd rose

[@Erowens98]

It is very much a niche product. But for some reason lots of companies put them on their guitar, especially when marketing to metalheads. It gives a bit more versatility when it comes to the tremolo and helps it stay in tune after heavy tremolo abuse. But it comes with lots and lots of issues of its own. If you need one, you really need one, but most people don't.

[@dragchainreaction]

great summary you hit it on the head

[@XiyuYang]

It's very hard to intonate, change strings, and set up. Heavy tremolo users like/need it, but if you don't use tremolo that much it's not necessary.

[@Invocated_Agitator]

It sucks

[@andrewharper1609]

I had a guitar with a Floyd equivalent that destroyed itself when I tried to change the strings. Definitely partly my fault for not understanding differences before I bought it. Horrible nonetheless as the guitar actually sounded gorgeous.

[@destiny-theseries]

Thanks again for this video. Great job as usual.

[@owensolmen9178]

the start to this video is worth my thumbs up

[@woke-freezone5447]

Thanks for posting this. I'll never buy a guitar with a Floyd Rose on it.

[@programmedwrong3795]

So basically just go ahead and buy a Stratocaster. 😁

[@robsonandamy9849]

Smelly Web no, buy a real guitar : Les Paul

[@jimicope4988]

^go home grandpa, you're drunk.^

[@grant.m.ball0603]

I did the mod with the pennies on my Stratocaster with the stock traditional strat floating bridge and I removed the springs and put the pennies in between the brudge and the body and I love it

[@THRASHMETALFUNRIFFS]

From ur picture, this makes sense that a drummer would jam a bunch of pennies into his beautiful Floyd Rose guitar

[@New_Zealand_Music]

Excellent tip with the screwdriver in Springs thank you