How To Make 24 Wooden Trays In One Day // CNC Business

[@craigbendle2219]

You can save a ton of time by only cutting deep enough around the profile to use your flush trim bit. Use your band saw to cut them close to shape then flush trim. Much much faster with identical results. Love the videos!

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

You know, you're right! Thank you!

[@PatrickRankin]

I'm so glad you used tabs, I'm tired of everybody using only double sided tape, that wouldn't work well on my machine. Have you played with danish oil? I 3D carved on some oak and wow does it look good with 2-3 coats.

[@skitt123]

As a musician, I couldn't help but notice how the CNC and the music were in the same key from 3:12... was that intended? lol

[@Samcraftcom]

Another great video Andy, thanks! As a fellow CNC small scale manufacturer (in my early stages) I greatly enjoy and appreciate this content.

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

Awesome! Thanks for watching. Are there any topics you'd like to see more of?

[@My-ASMR-Life]

@@AndyBirdBuilds Hello, thanks for the great video! Do you mind telling me approximately how much you sell these for and boxes with lids please? I really need help on this. Thank you!

[@davidfarish4076]

Why in the world have 2 people left a thumbs down? This was awesome! It helps me.

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

Glad to help!

[@MattMadeIt123]

Ordered a Onefinity Woodworker a few days ago. Looking at a late April delivery. Will be watching a bunch of your videos between now and then. Mostly trying to learn about different design/layout software and feed and speed settings. Also the business side of things as this is (hopefully) a money making venture. Thanks for the great content.

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

Awesome! That is exciting 😀

[@felixkrusch9635]

Thanx for sharing! Just some idea: Since you don't mind using the bandsaw and flushbit you can get away without tabs and cut through. Depending on the tension in the boards that might save you time on the sander to get the burn marks out (if you had some). When it comes to applying a fast trying and great looking finish for trays I recently used watco danish oil with great success on maple and walnut. Enjoy your weekend!

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

Thank you for the input! One issue I'd run into not using tabs would be the tray moving on me. There's nothing holding the tray cutout because I'm only using screws in the end of the stock boards. I've tried using double sided tape and its just time or cost effective.

[@felixkrusch9635]

@@AndyBirdBuilds What I mean by "not without cutting through" is to leave 1/8in of material on the bottom of the cut out path. This way the trays shouldn't move.

[@davespangler9125]

Yeah I've done away with tabs in pieces where I'm going to be trimming on the router anyway to save time. I just do a pass around the perimeter of my pieces deep enough that the bearing on my flush bit will clear the depth. Saves a decent amount of time on the CNC and adds very little to my finishing time.

[@voiceofintelligence]

I would be very interested in seeing a video on feeds and speeds.

[@johnscritchfield5736]

What are those trays used for?

[@brandonpeters1987]

Have you ever tried or heard of the little critter sprayer. It’s what I use for finishing my projects, great sprayer at $50 range. It uses mason jars so you can swap out your finish from your cleaner.

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

Thanks for the tip!

[@reddsmorris7053]

Great job, I'm new and just bought a CNC but a different brand, can I do the same way as you and work from one corner to save time. I also watched another gut use a bit collar so all the bits are the same measurements how you feel about this.

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

Congrats on the new cnc purchase! The Shapeoko CNC comes with the bit setter, which basically does the same thing as bit collars but automatically.

[@benmckenney5035]

Ever think about making a design in the tray? Cant remember if you had a laser or not. Would love to hear about the economics of this as well.

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

Yes! This is something I'm curious about this too

[@davespangler9125]

I tried etching a design into pieces that I was selling for a while but they were never as popular as the bare pieces were. What DID go over well was a design that I had made into a branding iron that I burned into pieces. Cleaned up with a bit of sanding, it looked fantastic and people went nuts for it. Might have to try that again one of these days.

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

@@davespangler9125 Interesting. Thanks for sharing!

[@David-A-yyc]

what are these trays being used for?

[@timhalcomb4041]

Thanks for sharing appreciate the video you have a blessed day

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

Thank you! You too!

[@haydenbird8306]

Really enjoyed the video! Thank you for sharing what you’ve learnt it’s so helpful! I want to put my x carve into commercial mode and your videos are great! Thanks

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

Glad it was helpful! You can do it!

[@sostyk1]

i usually fill cracks whit sander wood fine dust mixed whit wooden primer. aply, let it dry and then sand.

[@OutlawWoodworking]

Thanks for the nice video,im going to try and do some trays soon,looks like fun

[@sheilamarsh879]

nice little trays love the wood too

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

Thanks 👍

[@AdamSmithMTL]

I just discovered this channel and I love your content. Very clear and interesting. Thanks!

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

Awesome, thank you!

[@simonac688.]

There realy well done...👍

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@shelbyoliver3987]

Have you ever rubbed a wooden creation with mineral oil (or something similar) first before sealing with any type of lacquer? The reason I ask is that rubbing with mineral oil really makes the natural wood color pop. Just curious. BTW...keep up the videos, I really enjoy them!

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

I haven't. Does it affect the finishes durability?

[@shelbyoliver3987]

@@AndyBirdBuildsAs far as durability goes, it will greatly help the wood resist/repel water in a wet rag, wipe down type scenario. I would definitely seal it with something if the customer plans to do something like run it through a dishwasher or something drastic like that. But I say all of this without ever first hand seeing any of your work other than on a youtube video. It's just something you might try with a couple of scrap trays, if you have any, and see what the result is.

[@davespangler9125]

@@AndyBirdBuilds I've been doing a similar finish to what's mentioned here. Depending on wood species, I've been using either a BLO/tung oil blend or danish oil. The slow drying oil brings out the character and color of the wood wonderfully but overcoating with lacquer still gives the durability. Just need to make sure that you rub the oil until it appears almost dry so it dries in the wood vs leaving a film on the surface. I like to give it a couple days (ideally a week) to dry/cure, scuff with 0000 steel wool then spray with lacquer. Adds a bit of waiting time but the results are more than worth it in my opinion. One thing to note with that though is that you want to avoid getting any of the "finish" products. Pure tung oil is very different from tung oil finish in that the finish version has a variety of additives depending on brand, often mineral spirits and a varnish of some kind. Oil "finish" products very often will mess up the lacquer top coat where a pure oil will not.

[@chavezm1954]

@@davespangler9125 Because this is a utilitarian piece, it doesn't make financial sense to go through the process you describe! The lacquer coat is a great idea and suits Andy's process. He has been doing it for some time now to proof his process and product! I like it!

[@davespangler9125]

@@chavezm1954 I completely agree, his process is very well suited to the product's use case. My response was detailing the process I use for the more decorative pieces I use lacquer on since Andy asked above about the lacquer and its durability.

[@mike0324721]

just a question would it be better to use a endmill to hog out the tray then use the bowl bit?

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

For me, I don't think so. I can remove the material quicker because of the larger stepover with a bowl bit.

[@AngieWilliamsDesigns]

Great video. I have an xcarve. I underutilize it. I forget just how much I can do on it. Thanks for sharing. Judy a note... I don't know if it's just me... But I always get excited when I find makers close by. Louisville is about an hour away. You've got a pretty cool MakerSpace close by in Jeffersonville. Have you checked it out?

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

Cool! I haven't checked it out. I'll have to do that one day

[@mercutiojb]

Can you tell me the step over values you use for the rough pass and finish pass?

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

.375 and .06

[@micro963]

Thank you for sharing your experience, what type of cnc machine you are running and how is it holding?👍👍👍

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

No problem. I have the Shapeoko XXL

[@Andre-948]

Awesome thanks Andy. As a complete novice, I was wondering what is the accuracy one can achieve on a mass production doing this process? Meaning if I set specific sizes with the cnc, how accurate will be let's say the actual inside cut compared to the settings? Because I have 200 ceramic dishes (rectangle shape) and I would like to have 200 trays made and then put the dishes inside the trays (I'd like them to fit as precise as possible without leaving to much of a gap). Would you say too much variation occurs among the trays causing some dishes to fit and some don't?

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

These machines are very precise. Send me an email through my website and lets talk about your project. www.andybirdbuilds.com

[@Andre-948]

@@AndyBirdBuilds Got you! Thanks a lot. I am based in italy, kinda tough. Again thanks Andy

[@MrKtmstu]

Cool to see thank you

[@elias38]

Great channel!

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

Thanks so much!

[@veracity91]

@ 6:30 ~ Couldn't you use a Dremel for sanding down the inside parts of the wood? or would that not work ?

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

I've tried it before. Its really hard to make it look good

[@resorter66]

Andy could you answer another question I just opened my box that contained the Carbide router. Took the collet nut off and and found a 1/4" collet in stalled under the nut. How do I get that collet out of the router to be able to use the 1/8' and 1/4" more precision collets? and do they snap into the nut. Jeff Peters

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

After you removed the collet nut the collet should come out relatively easily.

[@Forfun0099]

Remove the tool, angle the collet inside the nut until the groove disengage the nut eccentric slot, pull it out. In other words, While maintaining pressure on the collet, twist the nut until you hear/feel a click. The "click" indicates that the top rim of the collet groove has completely snapped out of the extractor ring and the collet can be removed from the nut.

[@goodwinml]

What did you use for your depth of cut and stepover for the 2 bowl bit toolpaths?

[@jessicalane107]

Where are you able to find the maple boards? I can’t seem to find them like that, pre-milled or not.

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

I get mine from a local saw mill. It depends where you live, its different in every area

[@shane030716]

Nice work! How thick is the board and what’s the dimension of the trays?

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

Thanks!

[@musaaftabi6269]

great job . I wanna ask you what kind of wood do you use ?

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

This was maple

[@robh063]

Loved the video. I have a few questions if I may...What are the dimensions of the tray? How deep is the dished out portion? and is the finish pass with the tight step over only done in the dished out part? Thank you.

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

Approx. 7"x4"x.875" .5" deep and yes just the dished out part

[@robh063]

@@AndyBirdBuilds Thanks! I'm going to make one of these for myself. Great place to toss keys or coins or odds and ends

[@kostyamalsev2281]

i love it!!!!

[@patrickparisius6614]

Nice work sir, what software program do you use?

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

Thanks! Carbide Create for simple stuff and Fusion 360 for everything else

[@adamscoggins4553]

What are these trays intended for? Do you have a file for sale?

[@snydercustomwoodwork]

Hey Andy, love your channel. Out of curiosity what are you using for your designing before sending to carbide motion? Didn’t look like carbide create, I’m currently considering a different software but I’m on the fence

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

Great to hear, thank you. I use Carbide Create for simple stuff and Fusion 360 for everything else

[@MrCbell57]

What would the profit be on a small run like this? And will one router bit still be sharp after this much cutting? Thank you.

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

A couple hundred dollars and yes, the bits are made out of carbide. I can do 100's of wood trays with 1 bit

[@fuccillo111]

Could you burn your logo into the wood somewhere?

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

I could!

[@dusticdustmakerdesigns]

I was trying to follow the instructions on the nutcracker and it says it would take an hour for just one, am I doing it wrong?

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

It depends on your CNC. Every setup is different

[@DD-rr5jn]

What bit are you using?

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

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[@martyn1678]

awesome video, what are the tray used for do they have any intended application?

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

Thanks! They're use to hold plastic soap dispensers

[@martyn1678]

@@AndyBirdBuilds ah i see, cool, look very nice

[@raybans8712]

Could be used for snacks (nuts) etc in a fancy hotel bar etc as well

[@azzorzer]

whats the deal with people in the us dont use ear defenders?

[@mikeshawbrook-selfreliance]

I can not imagine turning a profit on these trays after counting machine write off, energy overhead, raw materials and the apprx 50% on retail price you are charging to the reseller. If these trays were selling retail for $20 you would be making $10... At 24 pcs that's $240,- Deduct all the costs and what's left... What am I missing here. ( Not to diss you, just trying to understand )

[@brightest07]

Thanks man, about to drop the hammer on a CNC

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

Awesome!

[@canadianfishing5415]

what kind of material

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

Maple

[@KeithKoch10]

Brian McDougal sent me!

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

Awesome! Tell him I said hello!

[@bradleyjohnson452]

Thank you for the 'behind the build process' video. What do you sell these trays for?

[@AndyBirdBuilds]

Thanks for watching!

[@buddtwin2]

If your selling to retail stores then you really should be investing in a proper heated paint booth and high quality finishes