How to Make Combat Patrol Actually Good

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

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[@guillaumepotvin1354]

Same!

[@charlie_cant_cook]

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[@LordCrate-du8zm]

Very wise quote from Sly Marbo

[@Jessforprez]

As a gaurd player we hate the horses too

[@Averybritishbear]

I love that google translate just removes three A’s

[@euansmith3699]

The award for the most aggressive ad read for the least aggressive product goes to... *PAULISBADATSTUFF!!!*

[@Grubnar]

Isn't the old Grey Knights box the gold standard when it comes to this? 1. A character that can be assembled, or converted to be one of two or three different options. 2. A basic infantry squad, that can be assembled to be one of two or three different options. 3. An Elite, or specialized infantry squad, that can be assembled to be one of two or three different options. 4. A "centerpiece" model, that can be assembled to be one of two or three different options. I know plenty of players that just bought 2 or 3 of those boxes and instantly had an army. Then added maybe a Dreadnought, and or Land Raider. I think the keyword here is "options"!

[@HadrosaurHero]

I think the only issue is a lot of armies are not designed in a way anymore to have dual builds. Most stuff nowadays is what you buy on the box is what you get. I would agree with you though that should be the standard. Good generic character, good baseline troop to showcase the core of the army, an elite unit to throw in the flavor you can look forward too, and the centerpiece to sell you on. Unironically the two dark angel's combat patrols are like each half of a really good basic marine box. Generic character, could be a chaplain or LT or captain or whatever. Just make it match the units its with (don't sell a gravis captain without any gravis to help it). Basic marines do like a 5 man set of basic intercessors. Elite, Bladeguard sell that fantasy hard visually. Then you add a Redemptor, that's a nearly perfect generic space marine box right there in terms of unit comp and looks. Maybe throw in like a 5 man hellblaster or inceptor or whatever squad to get poitns and/or discount to the right place if it isn't.

[@SuperDuperHappyTime]

Yes it is really good. Can’t wait for the 10th edition update! (That last sentence is HEAVY Sarcasm)

[@Randicore]

Yeah that's idea. Unfortunately warhammer is moving away from that as fast as they can without community backlash.

[@captaincoolbreeze9429]

I believe the Grey Knights Combat Patrol contains essentially the entire Grey Knights model range. It is definitely one of the best of the Combat Patrol boxes to represent its respective faction as a gateway to building a larger Grey Knights army. Other Combat Patrols that do this well would be the Drukhari and original Genestealers Combat Patrols.

[@supershot9729]

Monopose is a blight

[@l4rgo911]

I love how Paul answers the question of "How to fix Combat Patrol" by just saying "Make it Spearhead". Not a critisism, they could just do that and make the experience so much better.

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

The simplest solutions are normally the best

[@chronovac]

As someone who plays both 40k and AOS, Spearhead also gets bonus points because AOS itself is a more skirmish focused game, utilizing a smaller amount of high point units and large centerpiece models. Thus, Spearheads are typically ~500 points MINIMUM (with some even getting into the 800+ points range) vs Combat Patrols which are typically less points value for dollar outside heavily elite armies. Thus Spearhead does the job of “entry point for a larger army” better imo.

[@Bluecho4]

Also, Spearhead boxes tend to be $20 cheaper than Combat Patrols. So you're getting way more in your respective game, for less money. And Spearhead seemingly has no allergy to giving you centerpiece models, like today's Combat Patrols.

[@faroffshores2216]

I miss Start Collecting boxes...so much value in most of them.

[@SuperDuperHappyTime]

And relatively cheap with a great discount too.

[@cristhianmlr]

50 quid for a shitload of points

[@Bluecho4]

There are multiple Combat Patrols being released right now that gave you less points or models than their army's old Start Collecting box. It's -insane- _price gouging._

[@ondururagittandeska2004]

Death Guard could be also used to play Age of Sigmar as well. TWO GAMES IN ONE! Edit: Following on from that on the Space marine side you got a Terminator Captain, 10 Man tactical squad with ability to equip a special weapon and a heavy weapon and a Venerable dreadnought that could be equipped with Twin lascannons. It gave amazing customization, nice variety of anti infantry and anti tank options and quite nice to expand on, Get some termies, another Dreadnought, A Predator Tank, Rhino etc. etc.

[@zugzugzugzug]

we stan spearhead

[@KamenRiderGreed]

Damn right we do!

[@SomethingWittyIdk]

We stan spearhead

[@FrogEnjoyer17]

I have to say, boarding action is a waaaaay better introduction mode

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

I do want to give boarding actions a go at some point

[@pandavikingguy6193]

Where can I find the rules to it?

[@FrogEnjoyer17]

@ wahapedia

[@robotclaw22]

Not identical 1:1 and you need that specific terrain but yes it plays significantly better and is better designed than combat patrol, as well as not being limited to the low quality that are the CP boxes.

[@Chris-ih3ke]

Boarding Actions is the safe haven for my tyranids from all the mean tanks that bully my poor gaunts

[@F0RS00TH]

That was the single best ad read I have ever seen.

[@Bluecho4]

God, I wish more ads were just angrily yelling "This is the product, BUY IT!". So much less gratingly insincere.

[@Forgotmytea]

Congratulations Paul, you found me! 😀 I'm that girl who's played Spearhead but never played Combat Patrol!

[@tiberiumnp8030]

Our ”Combat Patrol”: 500pts of whatever, T9 cap. Marines can pick any marine detatchment etc. Meant to be just a quicker game of 40K but T9 cap balances it out.

[@lofidante1778]

Do you have guard player in your group? How does that work for them?

[@sebastianrubin7476]

I imagine artillery and sentinels. Basilisk is only T9... And in a smaller game, it's actually pretty scary.

[@isaacgraff8288]

good idea. Possibly bump it a little higher (agreed upon by all players) Wifey and I are doing 550(ish) points so she can learn.

[@skilledwarman]

I really wish they'd take some lessons from the Sigmar team with spearhead. They still have big centerpieces in their boxes, including from the new edition, and they just nerf them a bit for the spearhead mode vs the full game. It keeps the game more balanced and fun to play while still making the boxes feel like a satisfying discount box and intro to a faction

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

Yeah I feel like spearhead learned from combat patrol so I hope in future editions 40k can learn from that. Boarding actions is a step in the right direction for something different on a smaller size game

[@skilledwarman]

@PaulIsBadAtStuff I'm shocked they released a 10th edition boarding action supplement, but no new boxes for it. Honestly I think the biggest reason combat patrol isn't taking anything from Spearhead is that GW just doesn't really care about it all that much. I get the vibe they feel like they can just coast since most people use the boxes as a start collecting type box more than they do for the dedicated game mode

[@sumdudefromthemoon2401]

All i have to say is you see people playing Spearhead including Tournaments, but you dont see people playing Combat Patrol

[@meinfreundfranz]

Been on 2 combat patrol tournaments already 🤷‍♂️

[@quandalesquigly]

Been playing 40k for about 5 years and I genuinely had no idea that there was supposed to be a game mode attached to these boxes. I always assumed these boxes were just for building up your army.

[@ZMS513]

It was introduced with the start of 10th edition, so they weren't originally attached to a game mode. They were a rebranding of start collecting.

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

Yeah it felt kinda like a retroactive idea to fit the boxes, which gave AoS the chance to actually take a moment to think about how a small game would work

[@jonmattison3939]

@@PaulIsBadAtStuff If my local Warhammer store 'black shirt' is to be believed. Spearhead was in development for about 6 years before being released this summer (which would give GW that much time to massage the Vanguard/Spearhead product line to be more balanced) whereas the 10th edition 40k developers caught wind of the AoS team's Spearhead and "made a quick copy" inheriting the random slop of the "Combat Patrol" product line.

[@KamenRiderGreed]

I've waited for this for a LOOOOOONG time. But it was well worth it! I'm happy you like Spearheard and I hope it'll act as the gateway to getting into main AoS as it was always meant to. Now. . . I'll admit, at the time I'm posting this, I haven't played Spearhead for myself yet. But your video here definitely makes me want to learn! Or, at the very least, get one or more of the Spearheads I own built and/or painted. But I think that the card system provides interesting points of randomness and flexibility. Plus, Reinforcements is such a good mechanic for armies to encourage them to fight or push things forward, because the smaller board and general lethality of AoS means you'll be losing models, but losing models early doesn’t mean you've lost the game. Which is just excellent! Finally, I would *LOVE* to see you design your own deck of Twist Cards and associated boards for Spearhead. You could do Aqshy and Ghyran again(which I've most commonly heard pronounced as Guy-ran). But I think you could have alot of fun exploring some of the other Mortal Realms. Specifically Chamon the Realm of Metal and Ghur the Realm of Beasts. Chamon, because of its mutable, ever-shifting nature(which is why Tzeentch has invested the most in trying to take it over in the lore) so you could make some pretty zany twists that could change the game in very unexpected or big ways. And Ghur because it is the idea of Predator and Prey dynamics, or "law of the jungle" taken to Warhammer levels of over the top. Everything is alive in Ghur, and it all wants to eat, hunt and kill. Not even just the animals or plants(although, yes, there are trees with teeth that eat people, you can buy them as terrain for Warcry) the very continents and and even the moons are living creatures that are (slowly) fighting and consuming each other for dominance and survival. The main exception being the people, since they have higher brain function, but even they are a bit more rough-and-tumble and in-tune with the mindset of survival than those of other Realms. So you could make some VERY flashy or aggressive twists that I think you'd have alot of fun designing. But no matter what happens or where you go from here. I hope you keep having fun with this!

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

I have eagerly awaited the thoughts and have now read them! Yeah Spearhead is great and has a lot of opportunity for fun homebrew. I'd definitely suggest getting a game in whenever you can!

[@KamenRiderGreed]

​@@PaulIsBadAtStuffThey've been added.(also, I see what you did there~😉 I approve!)

[@i010001]

Boarding Actions strikes me as Combat Patrol but Good A shame it's sorta locked behind a proprietary game board

[@sebastianrubin7476]

Back in the day, Games Workshop actively encouraged you to build your own terrain, customise your models, even kitbash and scratch build your own units! There were guidelines on how to make stats for them! But those days are gone now; all that remains is a rotting carcass, enshrined upon a throne of gold and sustained by the daily sacrifice of a thousand dreams...

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

Paul, I am suffering from a plastic crack addiction and I need your help with an important decision. What spearhead should I get: Bonereapers or Seraphon? I like elite, monstrous armies but Seraphon looks really hard to paint and Bonereapers seems to rely a lot on semi-hordes.

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

Seraphon, because I love big dinos

[@GrayFirion]

Actually, you're in luck! Most of Seraphon is scale texture and metals. Paint the color you want, apply a wash (or just use contrast paints) and most of the work is done. There's a few minis that break the rule, but overall Seraphon is easy to paint.

[@the-Leela-vt]

unless you try and go crazy with highlighting every single scale i've actually found Seraphon really easy to paint! (i mostly use contrast and dry brushing for mine)

[@kidninja8331]

Honestly I've always thought of Kill Team as the better way to get use to 40k, combat patrol just seems way to random and unbalanced

[@dtweeb128]

Kill team is too different from base 40k to really act as a start of getting into the base game.

[@Dram1984]

Step 1: balance the game at low points. Make 500pt games fun and balanced. Step 2: give each Army a 500pt box that is fun and representative of the army. It’s okay that these cost different amounts. Step 3: profit.

[@eater_of_garbage_]

They've already done it with Imperial Knights so it cant be that hard!

[@Ironfrenzy217]

A great thing about spearhead is that the objectives you have are a shadow of what they are in the main game.

[@ForTheJerusalem]

I feel like they could try to go the battletech route, which (i will ignore advanced rules for this) strips rules to the basics to allow you to play a full game without having to worry about a bunch of extra stuff. And to actually explain it, we have a basic (as in most rules are removed) a few minute of reading just to make you learn how to move and roll dice and then we have the introductory rule level. Introductory rule level cuts non-mechs (removing a big part of rules), cuts everything that isn't just 'gun shoot gun do damage' AKA everything that has extra rules (so as a example, LRM are long range missiles that just requires you to know missile rules to use them, you hit, you roll how many hit, you roll for damage. while LRM with artemis requires you to remember to add +2 to how many hit, but only when you see the target. The first ones are introductory, the second ones are standart). This actually leads to people being able to play without requiring to check the rules except for the tables, which means that you can see whether or not you enjoy the game. Oh and of course battletech likes their players and allows very generous proxy rules(it has facing, it can fit in a hex, you can tell it apart from other units), meaning that you don't even need to own any models to actually see if you like the game or not. So for warhammer it would be: cut command points, simplify terrain, try not to include units whose rules can lead to reading more that just the unit's rules. Oh and remove the need for models to be battle-ready, in fact you could even allow people to play with proxies.

[@maxxon99]

IIRC, Combat Patrol was the name of the short form game variant back in 4th edition 40K, which basically was the "official" counterpart to the then popular fan-developed "40k in 40 minutes" format. It was basically 500 points with extra limitations on what you could take.

[@SharamNamdarian]

Before watching the video: they should be detachments like boarding patrol or just regular detachments. There should also be apocalypse detachments for 3000+ games that have scalable tiles

[@Ruggedtoaster]

I think boarding actions is onto something, a trench warfare or take the beach/bunker style game would fit well. Your normal types of terrain could fit into it, you could play it on the same size board (using more terrain to block LOS) or something a bit smaller for easier games (which the starter sets already do) that does not need a bunch of terrain to keep the box prices down. Run objectives like spearhead and have boxes with good or at least viable lists built into the models that come in the box and have list building but keep it restrictive. My big thing there is; some of the white dwarf missions or other missions that come out later as content drops should have different list restrictions but only apply to that mission. I would love a 500 point monster and walker only mission that comes with some rules tweak so your normal rules still work and they don’t have to rewrite everything. Maybe an “armored assault” mission where each side can build one tank into their list but you have to be careful because destroying or keeping the tanks alive is one of the primary objectives. Something other than the same infantry matchups over and over.

[@vojtadrasner2440]

with many thing, it seems like 40k 10th edition was a test-run for AoS 4ed hope that things from AoS will be implemented in 11th edition

[@guillaumepotvin1354]

Hedonite of slannesh have the temptiest spearhead rule i would like to have in regular aos

[@jezyong6980]

Yeh I'm a slaanesh player and was very disappointed that they changed that rule in 4th edition..

[@Cennir5179]

I'm up to 2 completely built and painted Spearheads (IDK and Maggotkin). Showed my friend how to play and now he has DOK and Nighthaunt. The game is so fun that buying a new box and playing it is actually how my friends and i are getting into AoS from 40k

[@Jharlax]

Best commercial ever XD

[@BaeBunni]

It is unfortunate that combat patrol box value is way more about what the box provides for your end goal not for the game itself. I don't think I have or ever heard of anyone saying "this box is really fun for the gamemode" it's "this box gives everything you need to build into your real army"

[@minigamerjeonsofbattle9376]

Hell yah, Love the Terrarria tunes popping up in the video.

[@dorogundam]

Your ad for spearhead is working!!

[@BarokaiRein]

The way to make combat partrol fun is simple: Make every box a dreadnought box. Not literally, of course, but all boxes are just that factions coolest units. Dreadnoughts, Riptides and so on.

[@ninjabros8594]

I’ve got two Spearheads all painted and ready to go! Very keen for some games with the Stormcast & Cites of Sigmar

[@TheTopo8798]

Combat patrols should follow old starter set rules: one basic unit, one vehicle/monster, one leader. But as combat patrolls are bigger than old starter sets they should add one more base unit or elite unit.

[@salamanda550]

I just wish they actually felt like they were representing the baseline of an army. The new Guard one is especially bad for that.

[@chikumori5530]

New Guard combat patrol is just them offloading overproduced Rough Riders models (which apparently weren't bought as much as they were counting on) and Cadian Command Squads (that you only really ever need maybe one or two of, and if you got the previous combat patrol or cadia stands box or last year's battleforce box then you already have them, also them shifting focus to Krieg and their new command squads mean they have a new one they have to move). Kasrkin are there just to make it appealing to anyone, and even then it isn't nearly enough. 295 points in a combat patrol is pretty pathetic.

[@luketfer]

@@chikumori5530 Yeah comparing the new Guard combat patrol which is 295 points...to the Custodes combat patrol which can be around 765 points, over TWICE the points cost and literally just under half of a 2000pt army unto itself...

[@seaofenergy2765]

​@@luketfercomparing the cheapest model/pts cost ratio army with one of the most expensive doesnt really say much. Custodes is an elite low model count army, guard is the opposite

[@sebastianrubin7476]

But we also know that the plastic itself is peanuts, so the amount of stuff in the box shouldn't affect the price that much. Stuffing an extra sprue or three into the boxes with less points would immediately make that money back just from people buying it for value. But todays GW is, itself, a product of our time; a soulless, short-sighted ouroboros of self-defeating business practices...

[@Hello-bp8dx]

1:19 You say that like horses are a bad thing. (The patrol does suck tho)

[@randomusernameCallin]

I want them to use "Star Wars pocket models" style of mini for the introduction box.

[@AidansBoyz]

For every new Spearhead Paul buys, he paints one 40K model Not unit, just model Difficulty: impossible

[@rickdriver0]

Got my 👍🏻 purely for the ad... There's something I never thought I'd say 🤘🏻

[@ExtradaemonYT]

I know lots of people who play solely Spearhead because it's such a good game, I don't know anyone who plays solely Combat Patrol.

[@Nightflux_Hobbies]

I started My WH journey with KT 2.0 then moved to Combat Patrol. I did have fun with KT but ended up taking a long hiatus, there was just so many rules and referring back to the books. Recently I grabbed Spearhead, I have always been more partial to Fantasy anyway. Man does Spearhead play smooth and quick. Also have tried a few games of Warhammer Underworlds and that has been a breath of fresh air as well. All this to say, that while I am not completely done with 40k (I did pick up the new edition of KT) I am finding myself enjoying the AoS side a lot more.

[@Colorcrayons]

Step 1: "Use an entirely different game design than 40K." Step 2: "There is no step 2. The job is done."

[@RenMomoDotPog]

5:21 nathan: I'M THE BIG BOSS MAN!

[@cristhianmlr]

0:00 got me dancing like a toothless dragon

[@hre2bviolent107]

For me, I STARTED with killteam (I got the killteam octarius box) and THEN I stepped up to combat patrol (I got the new blood angels box) I think this is a good way to introduce a new player to 40k. I doubt I'll ever actually play big 40k though, I just like building painting and displaying the models.

[@Argash317]

Your thoughts on spearhead are basically the same to mine with boarding actions. The playstyle is close to combat patrol while limiting the options for which units you can bring. It allows for cover to be discussed and strategic placement is important. One of the big factors however is almost no stratagems. The game has a few core ones but nothing overwhelming. The terrain is a problem admittingly but I have been able to teach players far better with boarding actions than combat patrol. Maybe a set terrain box for spearhead and combat patrols respectively could help both versions. Boarding action has its own terrain but it's a long(and often painful) process to put together and take apart. I hope GW fixes either boarding actions or combat patrol because people aren't really playing either of them near me. We do have a few spearhead players though.

[@HadrosaurHero]

I wonder what a 40k combat patrol redo would look like if all of the boxes were designed for it better. Like, reduce the price of combat patrols to match spearheads and theme armies to the smaller scale. Some could still get some vehicles but spearhead trends towards infantry and cavalry only with an occasional gun piece or bigger monster.

[@frostedbutts4340]

>reduce the price of combat patrols to match spearheads Spearheads don't give you less, 40k just charges more.

[@elliottreadings8029]

or give Kill Team a go if they've played DnD. Similiar design to combat in a few ways so it feels familiar

[@Jeff-ne1lh]

My friends and I play CP quite a bit…we have no issue adding units to our respective CP’s and pretty much ignore the points…it makes for some fun games unless you’re the type that screeches about balance 24/7

[@tieriaveda4165]

For a Gundam with a Lance, the No Grade Gundam Kimaris Trooper/Booster and MG Tallgeese Fluegel is one that comes to mind. (I prefer Tallgeese with his normal backpack though with the lance from Fluegel)

[@tieriaveda4165]

I meant to comment this on the best and worst video of Warhammer 40k but somehow I commented it here instead xd

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

Please comment what you would have commented on this video on the other video

[@corbingovers7559]

The only thing that kills me about 40k's new player combat patrol problem is that Boarding Actions are perfect for this use but it was basically sent out to die behind a super expensive book. Limited list building, remove a lot of the finicky rules, and missions that are fun and replayable. Combine it with spearhead's deck and you have an amazing game. Too bad we have to wait until 2026 to see if they got the message.

[@jonmattison3939]

Commenting before finishing your whole video... that's the thing, for as many people say "Combat Patrol" isn't the full 40k and singing the praises of Spearhead/Age of Sigmar; you just highlighted how Combat Patrol is much more similar to full 40k than Spearhead is to Age of Sigmar. 40k doesn't have Rules and Advanced Rules, it's just the rules. Combat Patrol may use simplified variations of Primaries, Secondaries and Strategems, but they are still the same rules/mechanisms. Whereas (as much as I love 1/2/more and Spearhead decks combining Tactics and Commands) Spearhead clearly is not as close to full Age of Sigmar combined with the whole Rules/Advanced Rules of AoS. For fun, I made up my own 12-card Secondary/Strategem deck based on actual 40k sources, but in the layout and style of AoS. My GF and I have played multiple games of Combat Patrol with these decks (one for each player) and it is quick and fun. I've declared that once per turn each player can discard one of their S/S cards for a Command Reroll. Technically I should make up 3 more cards per deck so it will last all 5 turns of a Combat Patrol game. The main rule I would steal from Spearhead for Combat Patrol, is the one where powerful "broken" units are delayed and cannot deploy until turn 3. This would solve some of the power imbalances with some older Combat Patrols (Dark Angels Redemptor Dreadnought) Overall I enjoy both games and have been brewing my own list-building restrictions for Combat Patrol to allow custom lists. It's working well so far.

[@Randicore]

From what it sounds like, spearhead isn't like combat patrol, but is like boarding action. And frankly if GW hadn't slapped boarding action behind a $250 paywall to play it it would be significantly more popular. (Just use Wahapedia)

[@Jacklydaman]

* Laughs in AOS superiority*

[@ciaranwyllie7716]

Can we talk about the Dark Angels combat patrol? Gravis Captain with no Gravis units to attach to. Only 5 hellblasters yet a whole 10 Intercessors. And then a baldeguard squad, are we forgetting the actual 3 man Dark Angel Melee squad (Inner Circle Companions).

[@coopers1716]

SHUDDUP MOM, PAUL UPLOADED

[@ohgodno2733]

1:17 yah I will we getting more then dark eldar ha had in a while

[@generalanimations398]

age of sigmar also does not have many wargear options so you wont be screwed over when you start playing standard games unlike combat patrol where your intercessors don't have basic grenade launchers

[@s.k4713]

Well rounded starter force vs 30 zombies

[@Trevante32]

Hopefully for 11th edition they take the spearhead template and use it for 40k

[@ondururagittandeska2004]

I played combat patrol once aginst my Dad with Leviathan and oh gosh. So Tyranids won with overwhelming point difference whilst Terminators and Terminator captain destroyed EVERY Tyranid unit.

[@Pyro627]

I’ve got the Dark Angels combat patrol, and apparently the captain in gravis armor cannot be attached to any of the squads in the box because they are all wearing tactical armor. So technically it’s not actually a legal army?? Very strange and I’m not sure what I’ll do when I get the chance to play. Oh, it also tells you to assemble the captain with a chain sword instead of a power sword for combat patrol, even though it’s a dark angels box and I thought power swords are part of the dark angels’ whole thing…?

[@Tsunderrated]

I mean if you're doing an intro game for people I just wouldn't do paint scores, I would treat it more as them giving the option

[@spartastic4]

Paul: Combat Patrol walked so Spearhead could run Me: Just give use Start Collecting boxes back. I do miss those Statt Collecting boxes. First thing I bought for 40k minis was the SW one amd you could've bought about 3 or 4 and had a full 2k army... Good times

[@matthewkimber4513]

You're looking for AoS Spearhead 😘

[@matthewkimber4513]

Just saw you say that! 🤣

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

This has been my favourite "comment made 5 seconds too early" I've ever had lmao

[@garryame4008]

I'd love for em to improve Combat Patrol, as 2000 point games are... A lot. Standard is a lot to learn and play - it's just so much

[@frostedbutts4340]

Nothing wrong with playing smaller games! Our club has a 1250 point casual league, with a few house rules to reduce spam / mega skew lists.

[@bamole]

ur funny, i subbed

[@aloof_cardinal]

Give Sanguinary guard wings

[@isaacgraff8288]

Title "How to Make Combat Patrol Actually Good" Video "F(*& it just got Spearhead."

[@terrydavis5924]

I have to disagree on the points for painted models, it's one of the smartest things GW has done for the hobby. Having both armies fully painted on the table is a much different effect and aesthetic than putting unprimed plastic there, it adds an appeal not just to your own game experience but anyone else in the store that looks over at your table. If your models aren't painted yet, there's a fair chance you technically lose, meaning you have motivation to bring more painted models next time so you don't have that penalty, but you can still feel good about playing well and winning objectives. It can even create a situation where both players felt they win in different ways!

[@DaFro112]

I WILL enjoy my horses thank you

[@piotrwilk1926]

Why you did this to me, now my crippling addiction to plastic want me to get into spearhead, when I almost completed 2000 points of orks for 40k... good thing i dont have money, i would totally buy myself two, maybe three, heck, why not four spearhead boxes

[@cristhianmlr]

Ghyran sounds like "Guyran"

[@randomethics7528]

I've been using combat patrol to teach my friends but I kinda do my own missions so I can teach in a way that the game is far.

[@gamingchewtoys1237]

What about kill team?

[@blanck7457]

Killteam is a better starting point from what GW has been doing

[@gesuusderv6325]

What exactly keeps ppl from 3d printing minis instead of spending this huge amount of money? I mean you dont even need a printer, enough services out there for high quality resin printing

[@ThePlasticBaron]

for the algorithm gods

[@euansmith3699]

You do know that "The Algorithm Gods" are just Paul standing behind a curtain with a megaphone?

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

True I am The KZbin!

[@gef019]

Combat patrol would be much better if in general the actual boxes were decent.

[@Sa3vis]

Combat Patrol should be the joiner between Kill Team and 40K. Combat patrols should have all characters you'd need for kill team. GW really hates new players or they could make it easier for people to enter the ecosystem and have stronger multiplayer rules so you can play on one table with 3+ players at home.

[@evan8542]

Commenting to appease our almighty algorithm gods

[@capidano6248]

Probably going to get roasted , but I play Blood bowl and Warcry, so pretty simple games , starting to get into Kill team. But couldnt you use the spearhead rules but with 40k armies ?

[@GBStudio0]

I regret ordering one now.

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

The boxes are fine, just play regular 40k!

[@meinfreundfranz]

Except of the balancing there is nothing wrong with combat patrol. Sure. Running into a Dreadnought is not fun, but overall the boxes are quite balanced. Especially the new ones. It‘s rock, paper, scissors most of the time. You loose some, you win some. 40K is about scoring points not killing units. You don‘t need a unit that cracks a tank if you have enough guys to score objectives. There is also a very unique strategy for every combat patrol and the moment u understand, what the plan of your army is, it‘s a fun way to play fast 40k games.

[@hedhogempire]

Or just paint your models.

[@mister-zen8491]

Did you just say: "buy more minis"? I do but my army remains gray!!!

[@carbonatedswag4244]

Or just play for fun

[@DustunColeman]

Tomorrow i promise

[@TibTub2]

Paul is good at making combat patrols?

[@Mintz_vr]

I fumbled last stream

[@Jacklydaman]

Aos is in my option a lot more fun that 40K

[@Cadiastand-upcomedy]

Aww come on, our new combat patrol is a cheap shot

[@uther10]

Came for the ad

[@zenicwhite1918]

my very first game of 40k was a 2k list my imperial guard vs my mates chaos DON'T DO THIS!!! worst thing i ever did this was also in 9th so guard still had there 8th edtion codex sooo yeah i wish combat was a thing back then

[@thejamesification]

Combat patrols arnt that b......oh god I'm a dark angels player, it's bad. It's bad. Not even a full knight squad. Why so many intercessors 😢

[@anno-fw7xn]

good i am not a fantys fan or i would have even more models!

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

Play Spearhead wasn't a suggestion, it was a demand. Best get some more models!

[@anno-fw7xn]

@@PaulIsBadAtStuff okey god but did you wait after all the blackfirday deals :(

[@Kattbirb]

Just a niggle, list building isn't the most complicated part. There isn't even separate points costs for options. Just slap the minis together however you like and add the points of the unit to a total. What's really awful is trying to figure out what in the Emperor's name the difference between Deavistating Wounds, Mortal Wounds, Lethal Hits and Deadly Demise are, along with all the other purple prose special rule titles that are just meaningless fan-fic branded synonyms for "make target unalive".

[@frostedbutts4340]

Yeah mortal wounds in particular is unnecessarily complex. Much easier to read on Wahapedia, since you can click any special rules right from the datasheet to explain it

[@kaylemley2823]

Imperial guard is good

[@nicolassymons316]

Yaaaaaaaa

[@Swqwack]

Pog

[@generalsmite7167]

Why is age of Sigmar getting all the good stuff. Like good for them but why no good 40k why GW why

[@TaylorX-g4b]

I have played spearhead and then moved onto to AoS and actually don't like the fact spearhead is not "AoS but smaller" but adds all these other rules in. Some aspects like the twist cards, each objective marker having a specific name/symbol, and the different scoring system felt kind of a burden to keep track of and learn. I literally stopped playing spearhead when I was in a game and a local player mentioned how almost *none* of this extra stuff is in real AoS, to which I responded "what?! well in that case I'll just go play a 1k points game of AoS then." As you said, the two are different and I think combat patrol was meant to be a smaller scale 40k to help transition people to larger 40k games, spearhead looks almost like it wants to a separate little game that plays quickly and just happens to use the same models you have for AoS.

[@notmyname8865]

Yeah but AoS Spearhead doesn't have cool looking Space Marine Models. They have a boring medieval dirty look. Stormcast Eternals are not as cool as Space Marines.