40k Detachments are TOO BORING - Let's Fix That!

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

I just finished this video and then GW decided to release a really fun and unique idea just to screw me over thanks GW assets.warhammer-community.com/eng_wh40k_grotmas_detachments_drukhari_reapers_wager_13_12-tyon6r3ayl-77b7nhqv3p.pdf Anyway LIKECOMMENTSUBSCRIBE and become a MEMBER OR PATREON if you want!

[@sam-s6o]

i dont know why,but ur content always are exactly what i like,to the tiny's detail

[@alexscholz3438]

Hey Paul thanks for making a K-Sons video, glad I'm not the only one who had thoughts about the Grotmas detachment!

[@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber]

I am going to look at you like that

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

If I hide behind a centurion you won't want to look at me

[@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber]

@@PaulIsBadAtStuff true

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

But GSC mechanics are good now!

[@BroodingEdgelord]

@@LordCrate-du8zm My first army is GSC and from experience, they are not difficult. I found them easier due to the upsurd number SM units compared to very specialised + desert/a character.

[@deeperestmeme479]

Teach Paul how to play gsc and have that be a video

[@grahamwilliamson5306]

New drukhari detachment is pretty cool as far as rules go. Certainly pushing the boat out a bit

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

I like it a lot! I just wish they'd not released it as I exported the video so I could use it as an example :P

[@Corrosion15]

Likes for the like gods comments for the comment throne

[@SeanCrosser]

KZbin cares not how the engagement happens, only that it does

[@recurvestickerdragon]

the algorithm's true name is vashtorr

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

7:23 there’s already an enhancement like that for the Alpha Legion detachment in the CSM codex. A character with that enhancement, once killed, can respawn into a different unit.

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

You know I tried to find one, but I didn't look very hard. Good shout!

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

@@PaulIsBadAtStuff Anytme my bro

[@atlasplayz1739]

7:22 Custodes in Auric Champions have a Stratagem that does a similar thing. Shoulder the Mantel allows you to put a lone Character in a new unit

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

That's probably why it was surprising it hadn't been done before...it had lmao

[@Ropsuguy]

I can tell this is a very high effort vid. Good shit.

[@faroffshores2216]

"Magnus is busted, let's make him 465 pts" VS "The Stompa, which we promoted by including our surplus in a bundle box, is funny. Anyway let's make it 800 pts, no less than 40% of an entire army list."

[@spoons4545]

Granted, as an Ork player, I feel that a Stompa is totally worth the 800 points...

[@uhjn]

Cadia Fell

[@dawidkazmierczak7283]

I been think and I came with my own detachment: Hollow Legion Detachment rule Sorcerus infusion - A the start of the battle round choose one bonus for your Rubricae and Scarab Occult Terminators units: Awaken Rubricae - +2"M Wall of Ceramite - Reroll save rolls of 1 Masters Guindance - Reroll hit rolls and wound Rolls of 1 Exalted Sorcerers, Ahriman and Infernal Masters can lead Scarab Occult Terminators units and when doing so, they gain Deep Strike ability Scarab Occult Sorcerers generates 2 Cabal Points Enchancement: Master of Rubricae 30p- This unit have all bonuses from Sorcerus Infusion rule Unyelding Armour 15p - Add +1 to armour save rolls made for this unit Vengeful Memory 20p- Add +1A and +1S to this unit melee weapons Vile Deception 15p- once per battle round, when any enemy ends normal, advance, charge fallback move or is set up within 18" of this model, you can pick one friendly Rubricae or Scarab Occult Terminators unit within 12" and make a surge move D6" in any direction. Stratagems: 1CP All od Dust When: Enemy Shooting Phase or Fight phase, after enemy declared its Attacks Target: One unit targeted by those attacks Effect: Untill and of phase all Attack gains -1 to hit rolls against that unit. If Wall of Ceramite is active for this unit, then you can reroll armour save rolls of 1-2 instead 1CP Slow and Prosperful When: your Movement Phase Target: one friendly unit Effect: Untill end of phase add +3"M. If Awaken Rubricae is active for this unit, then you can fallback, shoot and charge or advance shoot and charge instead 1CP Carry the will of The Red Monarch When: your Shooting Phase or Fight phase Target: one friendly unit Effect: until end of phase, that unit can reroll hit Rolls and wound Rolls of 1. If Masters Guidance is active for this unit, then you can reroll hit rolls and wound rolls instead. 1CP Immortal Shell When: Fight phase Target: one friendly unit Effect: When model on this unit dies, do not remove it. Until end of phase on 4+, adding +1 If Wall of Ceramite is active for this unit, it can fight on death. 1CP Scarlet King Domain When: Any phase Target: One friendly unit Effect: Add +2 OC to one model on this unit until end of turn. If Masters Guidance is active for this unit, all other models gain +1OC. 1CP Eternal Bodyguard When: Any phase Target: One Character Leader model that don't have attached unit. Effect: That character model can attach itsself as a leader for Rubricae or Scarab Occult Terminators unit within 2" of it. If Awaken Rubricae is active for that Rubricae or Scarab Occult Terminators unit and it is your Movement Phase then this unit can make normal move or Advance move If it didn't already done any of it. If +2"M is active and its enemy turn then this unit can make normal move of D6 or fallback move of D6

[@kamerona4723]

D6's for your statline was bile's whole gimmick back in like 3rd. it's honestly super sick and i'd love to see it again in modern 40k.

[@AnEnormousNerd]

Well they did a little bit of that in the new bile detachment. Kind of?

[@vanichga2811]

2:21 Is such a great representation of my, and probably other TS players, opinion about new detachment. 100% certified 'MEH'

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

Yeah. I mean, it's at least interesting and I can see what they're going for, but index TSons are really good so anything that wasn't either as strong or really off the wall is going to be pretty mediocre. Suffering from success lmao

[@eddiefreedie]

Happy 30k subs:D

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

Thanks!

[@Dethectic]

@@PaulIsBadAtStuff When it hits 40k something special needs to happen.. huh.. huh? Get it?

[@Amdor]

If we're going bit crazy I'll go bit crazy. Adeptus Mechanicus - Xenotech Hereteks. Xenonhanced weapons - all weapons have +1s but each time unit attacks it needs to make hazardous roll and take d3 mortal wounds on 1. If character model is leading the unit and did attack during that sequence, roll two hazardous dice instead. (In addition to any other hazardous rolls unit is required to make) Enhancements (stolen from other xeno armies on purpose) 1)Veil of Darkness 2)The Phoenix Gem 3)dominus or Manipulus only: Before battle begins you must replace all ranged weapons with Tau Missile pod and one of: tau plasma, tau hig-output burst cannon, Tau Fusion Blaster 4)Thrice-cursed Heretek - model and unit its leading get devastating wounds and sustained hits 1 but automatically fails all their hazardous rolls this shooting phase.

[@KamenRiderGreed]

This was a great video! Let me preface what I'm about to get into by saying THANK YOU for the disclaimer that these aren't meant to be interpreted literally, otherwise I'd have suffered a brain-bleed. In all seriousness, I think you came up with some very interesting ideas that aren't too far-fetched if you just retool them a bit(not all of them though). Especially since you brought up AoS so much in this video. It really does know how to cut loose and do interesting stuff more than 40K does, at least right now. My prime example being the rule that forces your opponent to redeploy their units. That was a thing Kruelboyz could do when they came out in 3rd edition. Force up to 3 enemy units into, essentially, Strategic Reserves. Granted, it was on a dice roll to see if it even worked, and translating it to 40K would require some stipulations on how it interacts wirh Deep Strike, but that's a good, creative idea I'd like to see done again in Warhammer. In fact. . . I could see it being a thing in Screaming Ravens, since they could distract an enemy away from the front lines, forcing them to arrive late to the battlefield. Or being able to move enemy units out of position. Gargants weren't even the first unit to do it in AoS, the Alarith Stoneguard of the Lumineth Realm-Lords had the ability to shove an enemy unit they fought with 2" away. The idea was cool and thematic on-paper, but, to prevent the problem you described in the video, the opponent got to choose how they moved their models as long as it was away from the Stoneguard, so it would help the opponent more than hurt them half the time. Finally, changing/adding keywords to mess with Terrain should be a thing, as long as they're additive, not "oops, you have no cover and now you die to my T'au Railgun", for as bad as it is mechanically, Ogor Mawtribes(Beastclaw Raiders specifically) have a Prayer that lets them add the "Obscuring" keyword to a piece of Terrain, which is, in THEORY supposed to help them defend against shooting(spoiler, it doesn't, I don't even play Ogors and I know it doesn't help). So yeah, good job Paul! As for my own ideas. . . I'd like to see some keyword-based manipulation, sort of like how Disciples of Tzeentch can inflict the "Burning" Keyword or Maggotkin of Nurgle inflict the "Diseased" onto enemies not only as a way to track a progressive debuff condition, but there are also rules and abilities in those armies that interact with those keywords, like Tzeentch having a Battle Formation(Detachment) that gives -1 to wound to any enemy units with that Burning keyword. Also, Always 3 Clawsteps Ahead for Skaven, this goes for the current version where you get a full move with a unit on BOTH player's turns. But also the version from 3rd edition which could copy your first advance and charge rolls army wide and just use them instead of rolling. As well as let you pile-in with every unit simultaneously. But I'd need to wrack my brain around what other sorts of mechanics I'd want to see, since I approach design as "Top Down", which means I take inspiration from the lore or think of what would make sense/work in the fiction of the game and try making mechanics to fit that. While it seems your process is something closer to "Bottom Up" design, where you think of the rules first and then write the flavor around those mechanics. But those principles and how we apply them are a sliding spectrum, not a strict binary. Also, final point, why'd you have to take a shot at AoS by bringing up 1st Edition man? I'm happy you mentioned AoS as much as you did in the video, don't get me wrong, and I know it wasn't malicious. But 1st Edition and it's bad rules writing is such an overdone meme that people use as a recudtive argument for why "Sigmar Bad" when it grew out of that VERY quickly.(that being said, 1st Edition Warathmongers from AoS had a rule that forced an enemy unit to literally fight themselves, and I want that in 40K for World Eaters, I don't care how they do it but it needs to happen!)

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

Sigmar 1st edition is funny lmao. Hot take, I actually like some of the rules. I reckon you could make a game mode with those in mind, but yeah as a release of a game it's a funny meme lmao. The burning keyword stuff is a great point. That's such a useful way to track stuff and to apply buffs that 40k should get involved in. We have it kind of with things being suppressed and that always meaning the same thing but otherwise nothing as interesting as burning.

[@KamenRiderGreed]

​@@PaulIsBadAtStuffExactly! Also, not sure if you saw the edit, but I added in some Skaven rules from current and past editions that should *absolutely* get developed on more. Because you're right, (if Warhammer isn't going to be full alternating activation at least) we need more ways to move or just do stuff in general on the opponent's turn besides die slighly less quickly or Overwatch ONCE. Which is what AoS is doing right now, and it's the best it's ever been.

[@kile1343]

Literally this week I started working on a Blood Angels Successor Chapter homebrew. I have my rules done and already like 14 pages of lore written haha (basically I wanted to combine machinery with infantry/death company in a way that makes sense. Not fully into machines like Iron Hands and not "Death Company only"-rules which I see as boring)...it revolves around the smoke key word :) In short: When you hold more markers in a zone than your opponent, that zone counts as your boiling mist. 3" around smoke units count as boiling mist. Adeptus Ast. units within your boiling mist gain smoke. That way you have a sort of vehicle/infantry set up because you need some smoke units (vehicles) as setups and infantry to push to markers fast amd spread it by chaining. Meaning you cant just be like tanks backline, i fantry front line. You gotta move as one unit. Enhancements amd strategems revolve around units with smoke. One also makes my enemy basically use a granade throw on themselves at the start of their movement phase when they are within of my boiling mist...because hot, you know.

[@AuirGuardian]

Beautiful thumbnail.

[@MrBanditoRazor]

This is one of my (now) THREE favorite wargaming channels 😅😂😂😅

[@TheRainbowCarnifex]

about the 40k having mechanics to move units, they used to exist in older editions, third editions lash of torment and the tyranid mawloc were the 2 i could think of, but were generally quite broken because of janky rules or unexpected outcomes and the fact that 40k is a positioning based game they were extremely powerful. i wasn't playing in 3rd so i don't know the intricacies of the lash of torment. i was (kinda) playing during 5th know the tyranid mawlock could be used to oneshot unit many times its points value as when i came up from the ground it would use a blast template to hit units as it was coming from the ground and if they were still alive it would force them to move out of the way, however if they could not be move for whatever reason they would be destroyed, i distinctly remember watching as a mawloc dropped into the middle of a tightly packed imperial guard tank column and somehow managed to take out a leman russ and a baneblade in one hit. ( just reread the rules and am not wholly sure how this was possible but i was only about 6-7 at the time) its because of situations like this and the fact that moving your opponents models is and extremely hard to balance ability GW have basically steered clear of moving your opponents models since the end of 5th.

[@anazron805811]

Time Echo is literally an ability the Thousand Sons have in kill team. You place a marker in a model's melee range, which is either 1 or 3 inches, and when that model is done moving shooting charging or whatever it does, the model is picked up and placed back in range of that marker. The marker is then removed. That works much better because the way kill team works, each individual model takes aturn doing all of its actions, meaning you're going to use the marker immediately after casting it.

[@norikwiese8900]

Necron Detachment Detachment Rule: Prismatic Exhibits You can include any units without the EPIC HERO keyword in your army. You can only include no duplicate units. If Trazyn the infinite is your warlord you can include up to to of each unit. The combined points cost of such units depends on your battle size: Incursion: Up to 500 pts Strike Force: Up to 1000 pts Onslaught: Up to 1500 pts None of these units can be your Warlord No ideas for enhancements tbh Strategems include1 that lets you deploy a unit from reserves within x inch of Trazyn

[@AnEnormousNerd]

I love the idea of having a bunch of units from different armies, with Trazyn as the commander.

[@magicalawnmower4764]

on the topic of leaders swapping units, i wish there was a core strat called like "Battlefield Reassignment" where characters if they are not leading unit, are within coherency of a unit they can lead, they can be attached at the end of the movement phase for 1CP

[@alexscholz3438]

I love the copium from a bunch of us K-Sons players is that the grotmas detachment is really good but only once we get our codex and it's confirmed as 'Codex Tzeentch', opening up access to the psychic weapons of Tzeentch demons and having significantly less overlap with the CoM as a result. It's a shame too because even if Grey Knights is more or less the same as us, it'd be so awesome to just copy their homework and get a flamer-heavy detachment (possibly with teleport shenanigans if we really want to steal) and give things like flamers the psychic keyword. Granted, you'd need to make that keyword not a strict downgrade like it is in 99% of the game (thank you CoM), but turning flamers psychic to do weird stuff with them like pushing enemies around or having a strat to make them pistols would be hilarious. Like Space Marine 2 is already out and we can steal from it, we could have an entire detachment about melee SOTs or something more thematic like a blackstone pylon enhancing the warp allowing us to regenerate like necrons. Hell, just a caster detachment that doubles the amount of cabal points generated but also gives us twice as many spells to cast making us play like the fantasy of Auric Champions in Custodes (aka a bunch of characters running around being 'just the mainest, bestest characters') would be so much more fun and interesting than what we got. And instead we copied chaos demons. GW pls.

[@ThineDude]

Slaanesh whips used to be able to both push and pull enemy units in past editions! It ended up real toxic since during those editions (4th/5th/6th I don't quite remember when they started and stopped having this) units could take damage from falling off terrain, as well as count as destroyed if they were forced to move off the table.

[@pandamarshmallow8081]

this is crazy that i just finished my custom detachment for my chapter and this is the first video i see before bed!!!

[@Sleepybandit_01]

It's 12 am where I'm from and I'm here for funny wizard man

[@SeanCrosser]

ayy fellow GMT+8

[@alexscholz3438]

Lets go GMT+8 gang

[@Fibsin]

I'd want to make night lords scary, so ontop of their detachment - Battleshock units no longer recieve datasheet abilities. But still retain thier army rule, or vice versa. Or they remain stationary. Maybe weapon and ballistic skill get worse by 1.

[@hansanderson9556]

I have always liked the idea of giving armys unique ways of scoring points, so khorne giving vp on character kills or some sisters units that could pray instead of fighting for a turn for a vp. You could also have super weak units that award cp when still in game at the end (more if they are in nomansland or the enemy deployment zone)

[@Wesinatah]

They had this on 9th and it was very bad for game balance as it didn’t matter how good your units were or army was but really if you had easy ways to get extra victory points. Most “good” armies could get like 12-15 secondary points on T1 without interaction

[@AnEnormousNerd]

I had the opposite idea from this, where you could have a 'mercenary' style faction that could get buffs by SPENDING victory points.

[@vojtadrasner2440]

probably better than my idea for detachment my idea for Orks: Truckboyz - While a unit is embarked within non-towering transport, all abilities of that unit which can affect the entire unit can also affect the transport. Dis wun iz ours! - Only one unit can be embarked within transport. enhancements and strategems aren't done yet

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

Sounds like a fun idea!

[@piotrwilk1926]

I am disscussing... I LOVE IT I love using terrain in other ways than just blocking LOS and giving cover. Imperial knights dropkicking wall to reveal bunch of scared cultist on the other side, infernus marines burning whole half of the board of alien trees, YES! Also objectives could use some of Paul imagination. Generating Command points if you hold them for example. I feel there is so much potential in such unexplored areas of the game, but for the sake of balance, we probably will not see them official. Home rules it is

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

For sure I understand why a lot of these things aren't being utilized. I'd love a spearhead type "quick" game which includes some more wacky interactions. But if you want something doing right, you have to do it yourself...

[@MrBanditoRazor]

Also I like the TS detachment cause it lets you get the bonus of the Maggie without spending the money on a center piece.

[@PoorhammerPatreon]

I have an idea for screaming ravens detachment homebrew. an enhancement that you can put on techmarines or captain models. At the end of deploying armies you may swap one vehicle with another of the same chassis and if it doesnt cause your list to exceed points values. If they have people embarked in originally and the switch means the unit cannot embark in they drop out within 3 inches of the vehicle and still in your deployment.

[@bensagnella757]

how about a Tsons regiment that gives you cabal points when a non-marine unit dies. It would try to be more horde focus with cultists swarming on points and slowing big things like knights so you can gain Cabal points. there could be strats that makes your opps shooting worse casue someone sabatoged the ammo or having it that when tzeengors die they explode and do mortals on a 4++. maybe a strat that destroys a unit at half strength to summon to summon deamons. (the cost would probably have to equal the points cost of what you're summoning so you dont summon a LOC by summoning 1 cult squad) you could call it the cult of sacrifice or something?

[@SuperDuperHappyTime]

I’m just glad you didn’t go with the low hanging fruit for Thousand Sons Because Tzaangors are right there.

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

I imagine Tzaangors will be a codex detachment. Maybe more cabal points for standing near Tzaangors would be interesting? Or buffs Tzaangors. Either way, not that unique lmao

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

Hey Paul! Was wondering what your thoughts on the new Librarian detachment was!

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

I don't play Librarians but the idea is really cool. I love the interactions between all their enhancements and stratagems playing off the detachment rule buff. Very cool idea (and one they released after I recording the audio the bastards lmao)

[@Kingofdragons117]

We need a detachment to make Rogal Dorns battleline.

[@LinkiePup]

The new psyker detachment for Spc Mrns just shows that- Psykers need actual powers.

[@stephenferry3017]

Sort if. It means psykers could have powers as maybe a free strat or an ability, but we can't have the psychic phase

[@jibjibs9401]

Yeah, GW intentionally removed all rules that let you move enemy units in 40k. Slaaneshi alogned units often had this kind of ability in previous editions with whips that could even knock units off the table if they were too close. If daemons don’t get this movement first, I’d doubt Thousand Sons would be given it.

[@warp-smith]

I’d like to see for csm a daemonkin detachment, where there’s either a strat or it’s the army rule where you can “possess” your battle line to get accursed cultists n possessed

[@MrBanditoRazor]

I mean.... Custodes is GW easy mode, so I try to forget about them as well on the table. The new Stories about them are awesome though.

[@Bartsman123]

5:04 cadia fell detachment?

[@victorgernernielsen117]

"CADIAFELL" Solid gold

[@Em34ME]

I would have liked an enhancement which is copied from the changeling in 9th. When the changeling fought it copied the weapons, ws, attacks, toughtness and strength from the enemy model. The opponent use a smash captain? Good, they now have to face said captain with the same juiced up weapon and stats.

[@ej.crusing6130]

How dare you insult Kurt Helborg's most glorious rule

[@Cadllmn123]

You should call your d6 stat line strat "All according to Plan"

[@ZombieJaeger]

I want my grey knights psychic powers back.

[@reverenddmo8944]

I'm currently trying to adapt the old 2nd edition rules for Tinboyz, Madboyz and Goffik Rokk bands to 10th... no doubt anyone not using Orks would complain, but that would mean I'd have to care about their opinions, hur hur hur.

[@hrst1233]

What do you use to make your detachments (or rather the visuals) is it photoshop or some dedicated program?

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

Photoshop. On my discord in the homebrewery channel pins there are downloads to the templates I made

[@fishqueen1702]

I want a thermonuclear stratagem. I yearn for orbital hombartment

[@knoxminis1211]

Great work. And who cares about balance? I wish that 40K wasn't entirely focused on the competitive scene. It gets so old. Can you imagine if the focus was on making the armies flavorful first and balanced second? It would be great if there were different rule sets for narrative and competitive. I hope that GW realizes that people want this whenever the release 11th edition, but I'm not holding my breath.

[@magicalawnmower4764]

im hoping that grots are tomorrow :3

[@Kazdok]

Heck yeah! Add more chaos and flavor back into 40k. 10th feel pretty sterile.

[@spinach6802]

t-sons and death guard both felt the same with the grotmas. plague company is so strong, why would I play flyblown host for anything other than seeing how bad it is compared to plague company?

[@TibTub2]

What do you think of the new drukhari detachment?

[@PaulIsBadAtStuff]

It's such a fun idea and it's annoying that they released it literally as I finished this video lmao

[@1inimilian567]

I just want a bolter detachment (I play sisters)

[@niallskinner7800]

Where's the detachment that makes Centurions battleline? (I run 12 of them)

[@eggabacon]

I am commenting because I was asked to comment

[@mattf967]

"Grostmas shows you can make really interesting things with the Detachment framework" Bro did we read the same Grey Knights detachment? It's entire bonus is Global Reroll 1s to hit and Conditional Reroll all failed hits

[@rising0092]

Do not show this video to a Cadian

[@Proto1Dude]

The only way to fix 10th is to just top playing 10th. I haven't seen an edition this terrible since 7th, and that one was so bad it made me skip all of 8th and 9th edition.

[@AlchemicalLove]

Thousand sons detachment is abjectly bad in every way

[@Immortal-ironic-fist]

40k Vampire is Bad at Stuff is amazing

[@Dethectic]

Detachment idea? Hmm... Necron detachment that is focused on Trazyn, which allows you to include (summoned like Pokemon) up to 500pts of Ultramarines :D