How To Make Gothic Less Terrible

[@Oblivionburn]

Ahh Gothic... still my golden standard for an open world RPG done right, since it did so many amazing things that moden open world games still struggle with. Like having a smaller world packed with content instead of a massive world that's mostly empty, or how it's a sandbox sim with some rpg elements and a light story instead of being a linear run from Point A to B to C with endless side-quests filling the UI. Gothic should also be a standard on how to do Immersion well.

[@robertnomok9750]

Modded Gothic 2 is STILL best action rpg. Even devs themselfs cant repeat its sucess. Somehow Risen 2-3 and Elex manage to be worse at everything. Other companies all kinda meh. Skyrim is simple boring minedless grind. Endreal mod though is kinda like gothic with small hand crafted world. In all other rpgs you just improve your numbers to deal bigger numbers to those who have even bigger numbers, You never improve your actual skills. In gothic your moveset, character movement change based on your skills. You feel like you progress from peasant to god.

[@tianbarretosebas8380]

@@robertnomok9750 kingdom come deliverance did a great job at evolutioning your character

[@165Atlas]

Have y'all heard about Chronicles of Myrtana: Arcolos?

[@robertnomok9750]

@@165Atlas yes

[@robertnomok9750]

@@tianbarretosebas8380 Was to buggy for me to play and I forgot it even existed untill now. Wait where is sequel? So many years passed already.

[@TheBaca219]

Ah yes, Polish common knowledge. If you don't know the code to Lares's chest by heart at the age of 9 you are doing it wrong.

[@kellymcbright5456]

Polish common knowledge? Is in what way related to Gothic?

[@keicamboom9915]

@@kellymcbright5456 Gothic is THE game that children played in Poland back in the day. It's still considered a classic that everyone loves.

[@kellymcbright5456]

@@keicamboom9915 That is more than surprizing. So it is more known there than at the place of it's origin?

[@keicamboom9915]

@@kellymcbright5456 As far as I know it's also considered a classic in Germany (origin), Russia and mostly countries in the east close to Poland. I don't know if they also have a religious following as it does in Poland.

[@kellymcbright5456]

@@keicamboom9915 Well, i am german and a bit older. In the current generation, Gothic is rather unknown, even among power gamers. Despite the fact that certain gamers play it online, the figures do not really impress in my mind. So, the polish-russian phenomenon remains mysterious :)

[@MrHurican1]

as a german nothing is more fun and fulfilling than work

[@tonymeyer8365]

Arbeit Arbeit

[@4bschaum]

bitching in the supermarket about how they should open another register, when there's more that 3 people standing in line. i hate my netto so fucking much :'(

[@johnbobschwamkopf6113]

Arbeit macht frei

[@riccardoman7620]

Honestly, it makes sense. In northern Italy people want to work hard but they generally hate doing it At least you germans don't contradict yourselves

[@sean7221]

Work will set you free.

[@jesustyronechrist2330]

I played Gothic 1 the first time ever 3 years ago. So no rose-tinted glasses to make it seem better than it is: It's still a masterpiece in game design in regards of progression.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

For me it was similar with New Vegas. No nostalgia filter.

[@xxthexboxnoobxx4174]

Just played it myself and had a great time.

[@nonono9194]

G2 improves it even more. I'd say the returning 2.0 mod for G2 has the best progression system out of any game ever, but it is bloated with content and has bad writing, but progression wise it's super addictive

[@bulanet271]

​​​@@nonono9194I have heard a lot about it, but haven't played or seen much. Heard it's maybe like the Tamriel rebuilt mod, which adds the huge mainland area to Morrowind. So they say Returning expands the map 10 times? To which I wonder, what is the point of that, does it tie in with the main quest at all, or it's just tons of extra things to do that aren't very relevant except for grinding exp?

[@nonono9194]

@@bulanet271 it adds alot of new areas and new quests and a parallel storyline of these keepers who are above the 3 gods in gothic which leads to a 7th chapter after you beat the vanilla end boss, the new storylines are fan fiction quality and aren't very good tbh, they keep Raven around even after you do Jharkendar. The new areas are there for grinding and for the new storylines, they'd be pretty decent if the writing was good. The writing is something I ignore when I play and it's only an English text translation with new voice acting in russian - but with that said the gameplay of it and the character progression is really really good and very addictive I'd only recommend it if you really like the gameplay of gothic and it also would take a new player likely 150 or so hours to finish. If a modern game took the gameplay design elements and character progression of the Returning mod i could honestly be a Dark Souls tier quality game.

[@napukapu]

40:40 I'm embarrassed I watched the video up to this point. The orc literally tells you exactly where to find those things. "It's boring" You're supposed to have teleports to all camps and endless stock of swiftness potions by that point.

[@kurakdarcia]

Exactly!

[@LameIkon]

Thank you for providing this timestamp and not wasting my time. This is atrocious, yes it is a fetch quest, but it very easy to do. At the same time it makes sense for the orc not having the material to make it, as he is enslaved. Then to conclude that this is only remembered fondly due to people wearing rose tinted glasses. And then say he will never and have never finished it just to add on top of it. Screw this, sounds like he just did not like the game to begin with. Nothing wrong with that, would have been nice with a disclaimer in the start. I played it for the first time back in 2020 and after I got the grips of the controls, I found an enjoyable game. That has interesting ideas and interesting mechanics on top. I found things I wished for in modern games, such as mapping, learning how to skin animals and character progression tied to the world. Sure it is rough around the edges, but I found it compelling enough to finish it.

[@TheHalogen131]

Also the entire Sleepers Temple is a very fun, long and hard dungeon. I was scared shitless when I played through it as a kid. Almost as scared as when I went to the Tower of Fogs. While defeating the Sleeper isn't that interesting, the process of getting there is definitely worth playing till the end.

[@napukapu]

@@TheHalogen131 Not to mention the tension between the old and new camp and escalating violence once the old mine collapses, I thought the game kept increasing the stakes very nicely towards the end. I also played it the first time in 2018, so it's not nostalgia. Given this guy praises Morrowind, yet here exclaims fetch quests are his kryptonite, something just isn't right ":D"

[@raptorjesus6120]

@@napukapu Never mind that the map, in my opinion, is interesting enough to go through several times. With both Gothic 1 and 2 there's this sensation that if you venture off the well-trodden path, you can find something new such as a hidden chest or a secret or a small cave. If I remember correctly, you can find a random note in Gothic 1 that says something like "There is a secret behind a waterfall" and, lo and behold, you can actually look for and find a cave behind one of the waterfalls in the game. Gothic 2 took this concept to the extreme. I played through that game six times or so and every time I found something new. In the beginning alone, there are three or four different ways of entering the first city. As in, you can be a rube and fool or bribe the gate guard or you can go around the city wall and swim to the harbor. This is what I miss most in modern RPGs: This sense of "I can *actually* do what I want".

[@Deioth]

I had 2, played through once and enjoyed it. The sensation of your character getting better, then YOU being able to as a player capitalize on that, was really cool. Getting that next level in your weapon skill and suddenly carving through previously difficult enemies is something I've not seen any game do since. Closest we've seen might be Kingdom Come: Deliverance and nothing else even approaches that level of PLAYER feeling stronger as the character gets stronger. But then, now that you understand its combat, you as a player can learn how to make the most out of your character's low skill level on a future playthrough. It's an approach that badly needs to be used because of how immersive and how good it feels. Just getting another skill isn't nearly as fun.

[@JakeTalksGamesYT]

Play kenshi

[@Zodroo_Tint]

@@JakeTalksGamesYT Yep, Kenshi. I remember I wanted to go far away and was attacked 4 swamp ninjas, all but my main character became unconscious, waited while one more character woke up, lifted the other two character and went to our goal just to meet some 20 hungry bandit what my main character managed to beat down and when it was over some 20 dust bandit came and my main character beat them too. Than 3 beak thing came and I realized it is over, no way we gonna survive this but my main character beat the beak things what was impossible before, he was almost dead but survived, we waited while all the group woke up and we went to our destination. That was the moment when the running was over for me once and for all. Then few days later the engine decided it doesn't wanna run the game anymore. Kenshi. :)

[@TymRD]

Gothic 2 was my first RPG, ever. To this day, It's my personal benchmark for the genre. While the user experience ain't all that great, the atmosphere and world design make up for it and then some. I'm really happy to see that the first two games of the series are getting more appreciation after all these years.

[@kingprone7846]

unfortunately it is the benchmark - which no game will ever reach.... maybe the remake...

[@Ezekiel_Kleyer]

I never seen someone play Gothic so wrong and somehow so right at the same time.

[@makeitthrough_]

As the arbiter of correct gameplay, what would you have done differently?

[@Ezekiel_Kleyer]

@@makeitthrough_ ignore range and lvl up one heanded only to lvl two. Uriziel is a two hander so there is why. If you wanna max your bloody xp I would suggest going to the second camp and commute in act one between the camps even more. There are so many smaller quest you can pick up that way. The sect camp gives you less xp but there is one weed seller in the small camp that gives you scrolls (chose sleep) for the weed movement quest. Use this scroll to put one student of a Baal right next to him to sleep and he'll talk to you. Use him to bring "willing"students to the sect. Use the trainer of the small camp to raise one heanded to lvl two. Up to this point you should have done everything. But I gotta say using range instead of scrolls to cheese the minecrallers is new and way cheaper. Oh and don't forget to only use strength potions and herbs after you reach your trainings cap. That way you could reach (optionally) over 150.

[@gi-go8575]

​@@makeitthrough_ minmaxing is overrated, gothic is a rather easy game. I get my one handed weapon skill on the very first level so that I could have a proper combat technique, and then just waste skill points into whatever I want. This isn't gothic 2, the natural damage from random weapons all over the world does the job good enough.

[@thesardoniccomedian9546]

Gothic 1 and 2 will forever be cemented in top 10 best rpgs ever. I loved it growing up.

[@NAMELESSINTERNETADDICT]

43:56 The focus stones quest is one of the best because you get to interact with the 4 friends,you learn lore and you actually see new locations. L take.

[@0smundSaddler]

I would honestly consider Gothic's controls similar to the PS2 Metal Gear Solid games' controls. They are unbelievably weird, not really like anything else in the entire medium, take a lot of getting used to, but once you get used to them they are among the most comfortable and intuitive control schemes ever.

[@morkgin2459]

I wouldn't say that for keyboard

[@0smundSaddler]

@Morkgin with some remapping the game can be comfortably controlled with one hand including trading items.

[@morkgin2459]

@@0smundSaddler not mgs.

[@kacpadestro8086]

Agreed

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Once you realize that the game was originally designed without mouse control....

[@pix_wbmr]

I played this game over 15 times... why did I just watch a 50 min video about it lol This literally is a german treasure and probably the most influental game coming out of germany.

[@WaddyMuters]

I would say that too, but objectively something like Far Cry is probably more influential.

[@bjorntrollgesicht1144]

Enderal is close behind, though, it even has a tribute to Gothic!

[@nikypercea]

as someone who played this like 100 times when i was 13 and discovered on my own most of the hidden things in the world (on a time when there were no internet walkthroughs), i can tell you that if you want an easy life, get armor stat up as soon as possible (go get the amulet for the old camp admission quest, but don't hand it over until you do all other faction quests before hand, also go to the new camp mine and talk to swynei... i think... the mine foreman, tell him you want to be a digger and you get a free pair of digger pants that you can also use to enter the lake bar). and if you join the old camp or the sect camp, go to the ore baron's house, and in one of the upstairs room you will get an amulet that has 15 melee and range protection... and make sure to check the side rooms for some permanent health increasing potions.... also you can open the chests next to the black smith for some nice weapons and a 4 permanent strength potion.

[@dlakodlak]

Re: isolating enemies from agro'ed packs. You can agro the whole pack a keep running a away. As you are running away, keeo holding a button for looking back (i don't rememeber the key). The pack will eventually stop chasing you. They do this by playing warning animation again before returning to their original position peacefully. If you are still close enough for them at the end of their warning animation they will continue chasing. BUT! Each individual in the pack has their own timer so they will fall off one by one. What you need to do is running away, looking back, and wait for the last enemy to start playing the warning animation, then immediately stop. The last enemy will go back to chasing you but that doesn't send the signl to reform the pack so now you have a single enemy to fight. Thank me later.

[@lillyclarity9699]

that sounds so much more tedious than just pulling one at a time, though, but thats coming from someone who hasn't played this game since childhood

[@dlakodlak]

@@lillyclarity9699 the pack attack mechanic prevents you from pulling one by one. That's the whole point. But as described above you can cheese the system by abusing the fact that the pack attack doesn't trigger when an enemy is resuming chasing.

[@TheBeziii]

Gothic isn't about beating Gothic. It's about beating yourself, just like you said

[@Mbeluba]

Also about beating the meat of your friend.

[@embodimentofgreatness5514]

😩

[@senditall152]

Ok to add to this game. One of my favorite RPGs. That after you leared how to use a weapon the character actually holds the weapon differently and uses them more effectivly is something that stayed with me still.

[@KrisXIV14]

Man, just play The Chronicles Of Myrtana: Archolos. It's a standalone, fan-made expansion - a natural evolution of this formula - true labor of love for the old Gothic games.

[@henriettawestcott9477]

Crazy they released A mod for A 22 year old game. There is another large mod called history of khorinis, but who knows when it will be released.

[@thetytanum4288]

​@@henriettawestcott9477never it was cancelled in previous year

[@NAMELESSINTERNETADDICT]

@@thetytanum4288 yeah,sad shit. I hope they eventually finish that mod and we finally get the G3 CSP soon too.

[@uHasioorr]

If you don't like Gothic then you better check your taste buds. There are 2 types of Gothic players, newbies and pros(who clean whole map in chapter 1).

[@alwust96]

laughs in Scars Sword

[@legion999]

If you knew every inch of the entire map you'd easily know where to find the shadow beast

[@StratEdgyProductions]

Knowing where the shit is is not the point. Not wanting to go there the third time is.

[@Shiftinggers]

@@StratEdgyProductions I took Animal Trophies kinda early because I exploited the AI with the drawn weapon glitch and KO'ed Scar in chapter 1. Seeing how I was pretty much a murderhobo that cleared the whole map by chapter 2 I kept the trophies so it wasn't really a challenge for me to get the requirements for Ulu-Mulu

[@bulanet271]

You do have teleportation runes and speed potions to reduce the time spent walking

[@kino_Kk]

“Gothic is work” me finding the most busted transformation spell at the beginning of the game and power leveling

[@TheHalogen131]

I don't know if you do get full level ups during transformation in Gothic 1, but in Gothic 2 NotR you have to remember NOT to level up when in animal form, or you won't get the HP boost.

[@abelsvkstanko2687]

@@TheHalogen131 who cares about hp when you got skill to not get the hit

[@bhaktapeter3501]

It took me almost 100 hrs to get used to the controls, now i love em. Gothic is my favorite game

[@SteveAkaDarktimes]

the later Chapters are weaker, yes. but since the balance is bad, you're powerful enough to just breeze through. also. SPEED POTIONS. BUY THEM. USE THEM.

[@somedesertdude1308]

or teleport lol

[@makeitthrough_]

"the later chapters are weaker" VTMB in a nutshell, only instead of being able to speed through them you get a super long terrible sewer level and a super overrated and tedious mansion level

[@nocultist7050]

I was born into Gothic. It never was difficult for me because I grew up with it. It skewed my mind and made me think Witcher 3 is bad game.

[@sevensins3584]

i love listening to to this guy talk about games i have never heard about or will ever play

[@maszkalman3676]

Try out they are the best still in world building even with shit graphics the best immersion....

[@Havok0159]

Oh dear god. I've heard of people using the mouse as the action button. People who just used the OG defaults. But a controller? For Gothic, a game you can play one-handed after switching to using WASDQE? Man... You do you but the game is quite controllable with those simple rebinds.

[@makeitthrough_]

"You do you, just ignore the previous paragraph of whining."

[@WaddyMuters]

Here's the thing with nostaglia. I played Gothic 1 first at the time it came out (english sounds really bad, I played the german version), then bought Morrowind because I wanted something similar. (Little did I know, nothing would ever hit like gothic 1) So I bought Morrowind when it came out and it was way worse. Just generic fanatsy, generic gameplay, lame universe overall, map might as well have been designed by a random algorithm. The world feels unrealistic, giant cities full of people, but almost no farm land or anything around it. Just artificial, like a sheltered childs idea of how the outside world works. It's basically stereo typical western fantasy. Every bethesda game is that way actually. Bland and made by sheltered people, who just reitterate on other sheltered peoples work over and over. Gothic feels like it's actually trying to build a believable senario, low fantasy, with believable people and (mostly) believable animals. You're not a hero. You're just some guy. If you play morrowind before gothic it's probably the other way around, that's what I meant with nostalgia. Gothic former my idea of role playing games, that's why the genre was mostly a disappointment for me as a whole. Morrowind formed other peoples ideal, that's why they are easily entertained baby brains. And that's ok.

[@CrazyxEnigma]

Gothic, the German game where you play as a Polish migrant worker and the game PB keep trying to make and surpass but have failed to do so. Few games are able to attain the level of immersion and atmosphere this one does in its early game, I also wouldn't be surprised if the faction system in this game influenced Obsidian's approach to them. It's too bad PB hasn't been able to recapture the success of Gothic 1 and 2. The Gothic remake looks like they have no idea what people loved about it.

[@timurkhodyrev]

Hey! I think you're talking about the Gothic Playable Teaser! But the final version of Gothic will have almost nothing in common with Playable Teaser. We hear the players and their feedback loud and clear!

[@4F6D]

@@timurkhodyrev So I assume you work for THQ Nordic on the gothic Remake? If so there are a lot of things that are very important. 1. In the german version we need the OG voice actors that are still alive, if not the experience will not be the same 2. The graphics are what gives gothic its charme (with the voice acting) but as long as you come close to the charme we might get used to it 3. We are cool if you add new content especially cut content but dont you dare changing the what is already in gothic, rebalance excluded 4. Just try to capture what we loved about the game, please, after gothic 3 and 4 we cant take it when you kill the last piece of good memory we have of the game. Maybe you could add what was cut from gothic? Especially the part with rhobar and the princess coming to the colony?

[@LarsOfTheMohicans]

This is a German game. It offers a unique gaze into the German mindset. The Germans are pathologically hard workers, and they will make you work in their game. They have a psychosexual propensity for sado-masochism, they enjoy enduring hardship and suffering as well as inflicting hardship and suffering upon others; but once you have successfully endured it and come out on top, boy is it ever satisfying. The work ethic. The sado-masochism. The struggle against the Eternal Orc. Gothic is distilled Teutonic spirit.

[@scrublime]

I would love to see you do a video about Dungeon Keeper. Gothics opening cinematic just made me think about it.

[@Cunnysmythe]

I don't think we'll see this but I'd definitely be interested

[@andrewstencel]

Well, 2+Night of the Raven sure is tough, but Gothic 1 can be a really chill experience, once you know what to do.

[@henriettawestcott9477]

Gotic 2 vanilla is easy, Gothic 1 is normal diff and NOTR is hard diff.

[@nonono9194]

Returning 2.0 is nightmare mode

[@rusi6219]

Unpopular opinion but NOTR difficulty spike ruins the experience

[@nonono9194]

@@rusi6219 play it afew times and it'll become easy mode

[@rusi6219]

@@nonono9194 I've played it countless times and the difficulty is so artificial I can't believe that you can defend it

[@dot.2985]

i love this game, the most intense part for me was to lure an orc near a ruin where he couldn't reach me, and shoot like 200 something arrows at him and i had luck and did a massive crit on him on the 50th arrow (i was shooting him very up close, but you know old rpgs, no bow skill = you're missing 90% of the time kinda like morrowind) and i kept shooting at him until i had like 10 arrows left, finally killed him and took his badass orc weapon to have a good weapon early on when i level up to equip it, and i mostly one shot lesser creatures and enemies for xp, and i did it without insider info or anything, i felt badass.

[@NDakota79]

You don't have to win in the arena to impress Scatty. Just challenge Kharim and get beaten up by him and Scatty will be impressed by your courage. I'm not sure if Kharim takes your ore, but you can always store it in your hut before the fight if you want to be safe.

[@damirkosm]

All actions are controlled by ctrl+w without mouse, and you should install player kit and system pack, that's it

[@Robert-yt9pq]

The Steam version of both games come with the playerkit and system pack. But, installing them again will not hurt anything. It just puts them in your add/remove programs list. I do this so I can remove them and install Union. Not sure if A clean install (no playerkit or system pack) is needed.

[@NAMELESSINTERNETADDICT]

I finished these games multiple times when i was a kid with poor English skills. People complain too much. Good Video,btw.

[@Vyleea]

I always enjoy when people decide to Go Thicc.

[@basicmudkip5985]

THICCC C C C C C C Hey hey

[@Raptor501st]

Show me your goods!

[@AuspexAO]

I really like the Gothic style of RPG, but I would recommend the first Risen or Elex to new players. Gothic is like Deus Ex in that I don't think people enjoy being crappy at combat until you skill up, and I don't blame them. Unlike Deus Ex, though, Gothic's controls feel practically alien now. The game does also get kinda bad in later chapters. Once you crest the hill and become powerful, the thrill is gone.

[@BOO-ii3ni]

I played gothic and deus ex for the 1st time 2 y ago and they REALY influenced my gaming taste and become some of my favourite games.

[@FurchtsamerLurch]

Gothic 2 is were its at

[@johannesschmitz6370]

For me its Gothic 1​@@FurchtsamerLurch

[@patnic8190]

It's simple, Gothic is not for pussies :D I played Gothic when I was a kid, starting out on Gothic 2, one of the best RPGs of its time. Now I'm playing Gothic 3, even though Gothic 3 didn't get as much love as the previous games, it's still a great game. Fortunately, the community made a patch for G3 and fixed a lot of bugs. But it's all about the atmosphere, which I can't even describe. For some reason, Gothic has such a great atmosphere that modern games can only dream of. Today's modern games (not all of them) are kind of "gilded sh*t" not that they're necessarily bad, but they're more or less just "walk simulators". Just open the map to see where to go and in the worst case put in Fast Travel. To make walking more enjoyable, developers rely on nice graphics so that you can enjoy the surroundings while you... walk :D. The only saving grace is sometimes at least an interesting and well-written story. 80% of the modern games I've played have often been so boring in their own way that you want speedrun them. Just chasing the story, because that's often all a game has to offer. No need to solve and read the problems when the map shows you where to go. No need to find your way when you simply teleport somewhere etc. etc. of course you don't have to use it, but the games encourages you to do so because it has nothing else to offer. Everything is generically designed, almost nothing interesting the player encounters on the way, just a few scripted enemies and so on.

[@animonarch800]

You know playing this game as my 1st RPG, ruined other RPGs for me

[@4F6D]

Calling Gothic 1 difficult speaks volumes about you. Once you invest 20 points in anything the game is a piece of cake.

[@Kekkakek]

The Gothic series (NOT counting 3, we don't talk about 3) so many memories and oh so many painful ones at that. Amazing "open" worlds but the devs never really knew when to stop, so their games tend to be 10-15 hours too long. Started with Gothic and they still be doing it today in Elex! 😂 Amazing video btw.

[@zafelrede4884]

We don't talk about 3? I enjoyed it quite a lot 😅

[@somedesertdude1308]

what about gothic 4...we REALLY don't talk about that one

[@thesardoniccomedian9546]

Yeah. I stopped playing the series, when I saw the previews for Gothic 3. Ha ha.

[@hiranmaydas4921]

3 was fucking amazing. it had the best magic system in the entire series

[@henriettawestcott9477]

@@zafelrede4884 It had nice graphics. Varrant was my favorite. I patch the game to 1.75. Use Gothic cleanup tool and the parallel universe tool and I'm done. No stuttering. This is how G3 should have been.

[@ScarletEdge]

It's like game of every Pole who owned a PC back in early 00's. I am looking at this guy rage at the end and I am just shaking my head. Tut, tut.

[@teenjak]

Dexterity affects damage if your bow requires dexterity to use, as far as I know. And strength increases damage if it requires strength.

[@WizzAardo]

Not in Gothic 1

[@bulanet271]

Doesn't dexterity increase accuracy

[@4F6D]

@@bulanet271 Yes, Dex is for accuary, STR is for damage even with magic.

[@kingprone7846]

gothic is a videogame. one of the best ever made. controls were pretty good for keyboard controls only.

[@PrzemP]

I don't understand this title, Gothic is perfection.

[@misterkefir]

americans don't really appreciate central/eastern european jank G1 and G2 are RPG masterpieces.

[@drethemage9559]

Gothic is perfection. Perfection at being janky as hell.

[@elitereptilian200]

You guys need to go get your brains checked lol

[@daviddinkings7757]

@@misterkefir for me it wasn't even jank i remember it worked smoothly for me

[@rusi6219]

​@@daviddinkings7757some ppl call anything that's different 'jank'

[@TheGlobeIsADeception]

I prefer the Gothic series to any Elder Scrolls game. I just love these games so much and I only first played these games back in 2017-2018 I also prefer playing third person over first person in action RPG's so naturally I prefer Gothic over The Elder Scrolls. Even the controls, although they take a bit of getting used to, they feel surprisingly comfortable and interactive.

[@fabianmiron2782]

The Title Insults my German Heart

[@misterkefir]

Eastern europeans also gravely insulted.

[@165Atlas]

Yeeeeeees! You've been mentioning Gothic so many times in other videos, I was wondering when this will come out

[@hoddtoward8779]

Man i can't belive you did not mentioned dx11 renderer it makes game so much better visually, you can also instal texture pack for nicer in game textures of items etc, also the orc slave that gives you this fetch quest, at this point in the game you have at least 3 teleport runes so you dont have to look all over the map for these items and chances are you already saw those monsters and have generall knowledge where to look for, example swampshark multiple of them are in sect camp in the swamps. Also acrobatics is your best friend learn it it will make travelling early much smoother.

[@TheHalogen131]

Also I struggle to think of a third massive fetch quest he spoke of. There are Focus Stones, Ulu-Mulu ingredients and... What? Chromanin? But it's not a main quest and the rewards aren't worth the hassle after the first time you do it (although it was an incredibly cool quest for the young me).

[@henriettawestcott9477]

@hodd toward dx11 is too buggy for me. Plus it's hard to see anything when it rains. And rain at night? Forget it.

[@hoddtoward8779]

@@henriettawestcott9477 i mean rain is one of the main selling point for me its not milky like in gta reforged it is just perfect.

[@hoddtoward8779]

it is not really to buggy if you have the most updated version cant imagine playing without it nowdays

[@henriettawestcott9477]

@@hoddtoward8779 yeah, they keep updating it. It's getting better.

[@Caydiem]

Never really had any problems with the controls in this game. Baffled me to hear that essentially anyone else did when I got internet and Gothic1/2 became more popular. Always sad to hear whenever someone couldn't get into one of the best RPGs of all time because of it.

[@misterkefir]

same

[@thegoodolddays9193]

I actually thought they were really intuitive. If 10 year old me can figure it out, I think the difficulty is overstated.

[@esprit101]

@@thegoodolddays9193 Maybe that's the point - I was around the same age when Gothic came out and maybe we weren't "tainted" by muscle memory or expectations. You need to hold down a key and press arrows to swing you sword? Sure, makes sense. Everything revolves around CTRL and various buttons? Ok. The mouse is basically just a joystick for camera control? Sure, checks out. Edit: also it just hit me - those were the days were you'd have a physical manual and would read it on the way home from the store and during the installation. So you'd be somewhat familiar with the gameplay mechanics and controls by the time you touched the mouse and keyboard for the first time. I remember having the manuals for StarCraft 1 and Diablo 2 with me on long car rides because there was lore and artwork in there, it was like a comic book!

[@thegoodolddays9193]

@@esprit101 That's possible, though I was primarily a console player when I played gothic, so I was accustomed to more simplified controls. Maybe kids are just better learners in general? Manuals definitely play a role. I do wish that, in absence of manuals, games had chosen to tutorialize better rather than simplifying. The game industry seems to think a simpler, more streamlined experience is always better, but I still think there's a place for complicated, messy but intuitive experiences.

[@henriettawestcott9477]

@@esprit101 game manuals where good back then. These days you don't even get one. Not sure if PC games on DVD are sold anymore. I checked Walmart and they had 6. Old titles.

[@Alex-ip1dn]

Thank you, Strat. I hope you are doing well my guy. I was just rewatching through your KOTOR 1&2 videos.

[@indorilnerevar2909]

I'm not sure but I think dexterity also increases your hit chance with bows and crossbows. The ranged skills only increase crit chance.

[@SirHektorDM]

Not really. Dexterity Increases the Damage and Ranged Skill increases the Range where you can hit the enemy. Even with 10% Ranged skill you can hit enemy with a bow if they are in front of you.

[@misterkefir]

That's a silly video title. G1 and G2 top5 western RPG games of all time. Nothing as immersive and atmospheric was done since. Yes, it is janky.. but that's the appeal, at least for me. You learn how to deal with it quickly and you have a real RPG masterpiece on your hands. Shame it never really got super popular west of the German border.

[@ewalddimo1678]

before you take the list from the test of faith back to the old camp, go to the new camp and show it to lares, they will add some stuff and mug the next convoy wait an ingame day or say and gorn gives you some loot items, and you still pass the test of faith. They also have some funny dialogue about diego.

[@henriettawestcott9477]

I never knew that about Gorn. After playing this game for 22 years. I do know he is annoying when you go in the free mine. I always tell him to wait. I think the community patch fixes this. Along with the 2-handed mage exploit, which I wish they left in. Door winches where fixed too. But I never had A problem with them. Just don't let go. I have A save file on Nexus mods, called Gothic 1 definitive edition save. It's called "extreme quick start save file" for the un-modded game. Choose your faction and boom, chapter 2. I did not make this save, I found it on the internet a long time ago.

[@MathisSheathes]

You were right about the voice acting. It’s so scenery chewing that it goes full circle becoming exquisite.

[@TheDeadAlewives]

"Show me your goods." "I'll show you MY goods. 😉" 🤨

[@makeitthrough_]

"But, but, he listened to it wrong! If you tilt your head just right it's actually incredibly subtle!" -butthurt turbospergs in the comments complaining about his gameplay

[@pheenmachine]

You know I was wondering why so much Gothic content started popping up on my recommendations. GOG sale makes sense lol. Gothic 2 with Night of the Raven outclasses this in every way though

[@Pulsar9788]

As a German I used to play this game with German voicelines only but this sounds pretty nice in English too

[@reesetorwad8346]

👍30:08 See the shooting star? Very nice!

[@dominokos]

I disagree with not skilling into lockpicking. Yeah, you should never skill it if you have something combat related or generally more useful to skill, but otherwise it's actually really useful when you're getting close to the end of the game. You have so many lockpicks towards the end you can just mindlessly try lockpicking everything and never need to quick load cause that has an annoying load time. The higher your lockpicking skill the less lockpicks you lose and you can think about it less.

[@KnightShade4]

I would love to see you make a video game on Kingdom Come: Deliverance

[@Elgar337]

I missed your voice, man. Also yeah, Gothic is pure gold and must be preserved in a museum. I haven't managed to play much of it since the gameplay didn't click for me and both 1 and 2 crashed often, but the world building and the ambience are incredible. I might try again at some point but, for now, I sure as hell like to hear people talk about this game.

[@henriettawestcott9477]

The game crashed on you. Gothic is not A game known for crashing. Unless you installed mods in the wrong place, or not using the player kit and system pack.

[@RaduP3]

i have the steam version, no mods, and the game is indeed crashing during usage in the following scenario: if you minimize the game. maybe thats what he means@@henriettawestcott9477

[@kylechilders7918]

Anyone know what the song is during the ending credits? It's the same one that's at the end of the Fallout New Vegas video, but Soundcloud can't figure it out.

[@pandapruitt2542]

I've been watching your newest videos and was wondering if you could ever cover dragons dogma? I am not sure if you would like it or love it but something tells me you would feel strongly either way and would love to hear it

[@manofcarbon883]

Great video as always. The voice actor of the main character reminds me heavily of Ryo from Shenume.

[@JohnSavant]

I find completing games like Assassin's Creed Odyssey pure masochism compared to Gothic 1. The only bad thing about it is that you're overpowering enemies left and right, but otherwise, it's a cozy rpg adventure. Elex 1 and 2 scratched that itch recently.

[@Vanethen]

My favorite part about the intro cinematic is that the faces were just polygons and only the jaw and eyes are animated so when Nameless smiles and his upper lip doesn't move it's the goofiest lookin' face I've ever seen in a video game.

[@TheSaival]

Try playing this game in polish for weird factor it sounds the best and the dubbing itself made the game a cult classic.

[@mrgodBG]

0:27 - i see what you did there Mr. Refenstahl 😂😂😂

[@TheHalogen131]

42:45 you have just declared war on the entire country of Poland. Revoke this statement, or suffer the wrath of angry Slavs, who decided, that a game made by Germans is Poland's national treasure.

[@StratEdgyProductions]

I like their movies. Does that smooth it over?

[@Incrediblefatslug]

I would ask when the how-to under rail video is coming, but I figure you you are still learning it yourself.

[@Private_Reznov]

There's a trick to getting to Inner Circle in old camp (and getting to mages without joining any camp, since delivering the letter is basically sidequest to force you to go into the inner circle and talk to Crow) and even to gomez's quarters. You see - enemy AI won't stop and talk to you to tell you to fuck off if you run through their checkpoints with weapon drawn. They will curse at you and tell you to holster but other that that - wont stop you. You can use it to get to Scar very early (as i said - without joining any faction) and to rob the whole Gomez's quarter armory (oposite from their kitchen - lots of early decent swords worth using/selling) just dont bring ore as they WILL STEAL IT. and save after every time you get up after stealing few swords - sometimes guards will straigh up kill you.

[@caramelconundrum9280]

I enjoyed this game as a teen. (2004) I used cheats. Made the game playable and fun. No regerts

[@Myxril]

I played the hell out of this game when it came out. I stopped playing at the point where you lose access to the camp, as I no longer had access to my huge vault of inventory and was in a position where I was basically dirt poor and couldn't really proceed. Didn't have a save before the camp closure was triggered. Still loved what I had played, though, but gave up on continuing. Never played again.

[@brotbrotsen1100]

But you have a infinite inventory anyway.

[@simondaniel4028]

29:43 Rexus, from Armed and Dangerous. What a game! Another grest vid from Strat-Edgy!

[@Aiedail]

Here is freebie for ya, that important paper to become shadow you get from old mine get it, then, go to new camp tell them u have it and they let you pass to I belive Lester, he happilly add few things to that list and you get extra exp, just return it Diego, he even will later point out that was clever move. Another one worth mentioning which is not really i think ever explained. In new camp is guy who can learn you acrobatics which allow for long dash forward jumps which make all this traveling through world like 3 times faster than runing ;) I love that game it was my childhood, it is rough true but I had to finish it about 10 times in my life time taking all possible paths I can see though someone trying it for first time nowadays would find some things annoying. Also I think that Orc need all this things to craft the Ulu-Mulu for you not to just give it away as he does not have materials to do it - it was many years since I finished it last time so not 100% sure about it. Another not realy known personal info I will throw out there, We actually with friends been runing a Ultima Online server based on gothic, I've been main mapper on it and almost just by myself re-created entire Gothic 1 map in Ultima, from drawing entire map pixel by pixel to convert into ultima map tiles, then building camps and all locations there been. This fan project was polish RP server and it is since forgotten, though these many months (or years even) ofwork and love we put into it resides backed up on my pc, would be shame to just delete it you know xD

[@henriettawestcott9477]

You can also become a 2-handed sword mage. But not with the community patch. Talk to Thorus, tell him you want to be a mage. Talk to Corristo, till he goes upstairs. Go back to Thoris, tell him you want to be a guard. Train 2-handed. Go to Scorpio, train crossbow. Go to Corissto, now you are a 2 handed sword wielding mage.

[@robanybody84]

I remember playing Gothic back in 2003. Far was the impression that the game was terrible. I guess terribleness came with time and other games. I can't imagine playing now unmoded. Still a good game on story alone.

[@bobmcbride3550]

Also finished this game a few times back in the day. For some reason I kept going with Morrowind which has static actors compared to this

[@Spectro-Gothic]

I'm still in love with this Gothic Saga. And yep, the controls are not the best, but if you change them and adapt them to you, the experience is much more satisfying. These games are very old today, however many people still like them. And I love how the community keeps releasing a lot of content, like texture packs, mods and stuff like that. I enjoy the adventure as well as the characters, the music and the gameplay. 😊⚔🛡🏹⛏

[@henriettawestcott9477]

The only new mods I have seen are Archolos.

[@robinmattheussen2395]

Steps to make Gothic less terrible: 1. Install the game 2. Play it

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

During a test before release the game didn't have mouse control. Everyhing was keyboard. That shows in what time it was made. But the whole keybind/interface management feels extremely clunky and weird at first, but once you got into it, it becomes incredibly well to navigate.

[@rusi6219]

Keyboard-only is the right way to play this game. The mouse handles terribly.

[@TheGlobeIsADeception]

@@rusi6219 You are right that playing with the mouse handles terribly and the game was really not meant for it, however using the mouse to pan the camera is better then having to stop your character and press '0' or 'R' to move the camera with the keyboard. However you should never use the mouse for fighting otherwise you are just going to have a bad time.

[@mitolinski]

When you do the Diego quest for old mine, you need to go to Laris on New camp to add staff to the list, so they can steal it. You get 750 more xp.

[@philinegro]

Finally! Very excited to see you play this!

[@quahodron2756]

Being a german, I freaking love this game. You can play it for six years straight, loose it, but, hell yeah, it was a ride really worth it. Great so much indeed, you wanna start it right again.

[@Mr._Anderpson]

Picked up the three Gothic games on GOG a while back when they were giving them away cheap. Haven't gotten around to actually playing them, but it looks like that time is approaching.

[@esprit101]

G1 is rough, but the setting is unique. G2 leans more towards standard fantasy but is still recognizable and absolutely superior to G1 if you can get past the controls. Never touched G3 myself but after ~16 years of fan-patches it ought to be decent. If you play G2 with the addon (Night of the Raven), just understand that it reworks many areas and SIGNIFICANTLY increases the difficulty. It's also the kind of game that rewards careful exploration, cheesing enemies and pulling animals one by one. Also everything is dangerous in the beginning - even those silly Goblins near G2's starting area can and will kill you.

[@TheHalogen131]

@@esprit101 Forget the Goblins, these fucking Young Field Raiders will tear you apart in a moment's notice!

[@Mr._Anderpson]

@@esprit101 Ok. So don't bother with Night of the Raven. Understood.

[@esprit101]

@@Mr._Anderpson Not really, I'd say it's the definitve way to play G2 with NotR. Just be aware that you'll need to pull enemies one by one, and any difficulty is very front-loaded. Also use any escort-quest you're offered - these NPC will actually escort you and chop down all enemies while you get the EXP. Essentially it rewards you for outsmarting the hostile world and thinking on your feet, you're basically an anime protagonist who's starting out weak but can become a god. I have very fond memories of casting rain of fire and drinking a swiftness potion and sprinting through the orc siege camp in the mine valley, melting all orcs in the process.

[@Mr._Anderpson]

@@esprit101 Sort of pessimistic about playing any game for the first time with things added in which change the game. Nothing against the mod or plug-in, but I plan on playing Gothic, not someone's idea of what it should be if the difficulty is cranked up even more. Call me Captain Casual. No interest in making it more difficult.

[@Bukac987]

In G1 , dexterity stat actually increased your accuracy, I remember with 100 dexterity the Nameless hero would hit 100% of time (if there was no obstruction between)

[@marcinzysko1653]

Faction variety in every gothic game is as such: -stronk boys, -freedom boys, -wierd boys.

[@Zajin13]

For the title alone you will receive a LOT of angry German comments, be safe mate

[@thesardoniccomedian9546]

Gothic one and two are such underrated and forgotten games. Played through one about 20 times ans 2 with the expansion at least 50 times. Each time i found out something new about each game.

[@peddypeoples941]

Gothic was so good, smoking joints for mana and hearing a german metal band performing on stage...all that atmosphere, loved it.

[@Bowwex]

“The smoke em if you got ‘em sect, living in a swamp” Ah yes, Camp Lejeune.

[@Briggie]

Morris mail is also reviewing this series, so this is also a welcome surprise.

[@svllal.cornelivs2443]

never nor ever will ever be a game like Gothic, no matter how hard the modern game developers try and squeeze they will only produce farts comparing to a true master piece like Gothic, what makes it so damn special is it was made with passion, like a group of artistic friends got together and decided to make an RPG game, the forest feels like forest, the night feels like night!! the way NPCs treats you feels so real, voices are badass!! I just got tears in my eyes!

[@johannlabertaler6095]

So sad that english translation loses ALL of the charme and the voice actors are just meh most of the time. The German original has so much character and adds so much to the atmosphere... Hard to transport that into foreign languages I guess, but it seems like they didn't even try.

[@sjoerddondersteen1337]

Preach my man, echo your sentiment as a Dutch fan of Gothic I+II.

[@manwiththeplan300]

When you were describing the controls all of a sudden. Something popped in my head, the mechanics of the Nintendo wii.

[@rusi6219]

The ulu-mulu quest is there to level yourself up exploring the map

[@MidnightAT]

When I first played it as a kid, I did not realize that the ore is the currency. There were coins in the game but they had no value. Since I used a cracked copy of the game I thought it was one of those mischievous developer punishments for using a cracked copy. So originally, I played it without being able to use ore :D. I have bought this game since then, so I don't feel as bad for using a cracked copy as a kid.

[@fattony75]

"like having sex the first time, its clumsy, awkward, and you're never sure if you're doing it right" - HAHA yeah just the first time right guys? ....haha yep yep

[@sjoerddondersteen1337]

neat Alien Homicide avatar. Feeling nostalgic for The Behemoth/Newgrounds these days.

[@geberlan]

The supreme feeling of saying "What with?" instead of "With what?!"

[@Burago2k]

The controls aren't bad at all, i got used to them pretty quick and the game is just a masterpiece and im currently playing the 2nd one.

[@bobmcbride3550]

If I have this on steam will it work with mods u suggest? And can you recommend a way to make it work on 21x9?

[@jango7889]

17:33 Swamp weed sounds like some dank ass shit, god damn I wish I could roll some of that