How to Make Notepad on Windows 2000 (C Programming Speedrun) - Millennium Computing - rogerclark

"speedrun" (???) where we build a simple Notepad clone on Windows 2000 using C and Visual Studio 6.
Topics discussed:
- Classic operating systems and UIs
- Native programming vs. high level programming
- Flaws of modern personal computing
- Pixel art and fonts
- Jolt cola
Part 2: • Part 2 - How To Make N...
Source code: github.com/rogerclark/typer
#MillenniumComputing
edited from a Twitch stream on 8/20/2019. apologies for audio artifacts. next time i'll avoid licensed music ^_^
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[@awesomekling]

This is very enjoyable content! Could make a great regular series :)

[@rogerclarkonline]

thanks dude, means a lot coming from you!

[@giothed00d]

*009 sound system-dreamscape intensifies*

[@math0084]

Lol

[@NatgeYT]

My boyfriend watches you in 2x speed

[@iamstillanon3048]

From Andreas Kling

[@pebre79]

Found this gem of a channel and so far really liking the content. Keep it up

[@Diginegi]

That was a really cool stream. I’ve done some win32 programming ages ago when I was just starting off and haven’t touched any Windows programming since. I’ve written the code along with you on Windows XP and it was really fun coming back to that.

[@xxxtencioncord6074]

This content is fantastic. Pure nostalgia...i came for the content, subbed for the Jolt

[@rogerclarkonline]

lol thank you! i'll be back with more stuff like this!

[@TimMorgan]

I really appreciate seeing the actual process and the mistakes. I would love to see more content like this!

[@rogerclarkonline]

that's the plan! check back soon for the continuation!

[@VirtualCrickets]

Thank you so much! I would love to see more videos like this, and I am super glad that you chose C over C++, because it makes things so much more accessible!

[@LordFers]

I loves coding on VS 6.0, great video man! Keep it up!

[@rogerclarkonline]

LordFers thanks! got another video series coming up soon!

[@10e999]

system programming is always my favorite to watch. Thanks for the video.

[@skreutzer]

2:10:15 To their credit, with Windows 10 Notepad became able to handle GNU/Linux linebreaks AFTER 30+ years!!!11

[@tristacho5472]

Late to the party but hope we get more content like this. Love the music and windows 2000 aesthetic ^^

[@w花b]

If you're late, what am I then?

[@valcron-1000]

What a beast! Thanks for sharing such high quality content!

[@rogerclarkonline]

thanks, it was a lot of fun! probably gonna do another one soon

[@sonulohani]

Got your video link in reddit/r/programming and loved it. Upload more this type of content.

[@rogerclarkonline]

will do!!

[@seebaastian]

as far I remember, NT stands for New Technology. It was developed from scratch to get rid off the DOS roots windows used to have. In fact, the first commercial hit for the masses that used the NT kernel was windows XP. Nice video ;)

[@rogerclarkonline]

NT standing for "New Technology" is apocryphal. People also say that "WNT" is derived from incrementing each letter in "VMS", which was Dave Cutler's previous kernel project. Cutler never confirmed what the name meant.

[@sassymenses]

Originally, Windows NT was developed on and for NTen machines (i860XR), and its name "NT" meant exactly NTen.

[@n0xx295]

@@rogerclarkonline Nor can he ever, because DEC sued MS over allegations that Windows NT was essentially a continuation of the work Cutler had previously done while developing DEC's own successor to VMS, dubbed project Mica, a mater that was settled outside the court. And if Dave Cutler ever said anything of the sort, it would be an admission of guilt that could very well result in a new lawsuit. IMO, this is one of those times when the silence is pretty damning, as it is fitting that Linux vs Windows is basically just a continuation of the Unix vs VMS wars of the 1970s.

[@astemet]

before it was a virus nest... it was a great idea

[@LouigiVerona]

My god, this desktop looks so much like what my computer in 2002 looked like. Win2000 was my first Windows operating system. And OpenMPT was definitely on my desktop!!!

[@fjeuber]

I should be sleeping right now, but this is just too good!

[@MattieCooper10000]

Love this! Thanks!

[@rogerclarkonline]

i'll keep going! thank you!

[@Graded33]

The sound effects from this OS are S tier

[@rogerclarkonline]

Mark Grady bro you should hear the startup sound

[@Bluebed]

Very cool project

[@ShaggyUltraLounge]

VC 6 is still my favorite today, and I still use it (with VisualAssist) if I don't need to build a 64 bit executable. It has that well thought out look and feel, and it feels... I guess the word is "robust".

[@darak2]

Windows NT 4 was the pinnacle of Windows UI design. Everything has been downhill since then, either by introducing new, bad UI design (like the ribbon) or by importing bad UI design imported from other platforms (web, mobile).

[@segfaultd]

Loved the video! Brings back so many memories! That soundtrack is awesome too, can you share the track titles? Thanks!

[@rogerclarkonline]

added the track list to the video description!

[@segfaultd]

@@rogerclarkonline Thanks a Lot! ❤️

[@vargveum9235]

Thanks a lot!!!

[@ngzod3477]

good stuff :)

[@dimoextremo]

badass

[@rogerclarkonline]

just tryin to expand the brand....

[@sobreinquisidor]

I think the ones that really push the hardware to its limits are the game engine developers. Look at the current games on Xbox series X. It's just amazing

[@rodrigo-bento-tv]

Winamp! It really whips the llama's a%#!!

[@astemet]

was absolutly wörth watching

[@skreutzer]

To whomever might be interested in developing text editors, have a look at texteditors.org - other than that, one important aspect of course is building text input GUI controls.

[@jjws600]

Not only is Reaper fast, it is also; very stable, and only $60 and you get a few version number updates for that price, then again only $60, compared to something like Pro Tools, which would cost hundreds per year to have.

[@chrisalexthomas]

The "visual" in the "visual studio" line of products, was because they allowed you to build applications using drag and drop and a graphical user interface. Something that delphi, visual basic, etc made a lot of use of and it was super trendy back in the 90's

[@rogerclarkonline]

This is true. The dialog resource editor is certainly visual, but it isn't a huge part of building real-world applications on Windows, and it also isn't a very good experience in any version of VC. Most of the time, you're just looking at code like any other editor.

[@chrisalexthomas]

@@rogerclarkonline for sure, but back in the 90's, visually dragging and dropping your gui elements around and entering values into dialogs was all the rage, all the cool kids were doing it then reality came a'knocking, and everybody had their pants pulled down about it and it was all exposed as a useless marketing gimmick nobody gave two shits about. But managers loved it :D

[@eversonmay]

noice!

[@mikoposter]

1:46:47 wht would conversion to ASCII be requiered? i thought asciii and unicode were backwards compatible

[@skreutzer]

1:22:27 You never know... with one huge block instead of appending multiple ones, maybe the editor control needs to refresh less (if rendering and updates of the internal buffer isn't suspended/blocked anyway)? Or doing it in one huge chunk may translate to a simple memcpy() or even just a pointer change? Not totally serious here, but without knowing what actually happens behind the scenes, it's mostly assumptions and decisions about performance vs. memory vs. readability vs. convenience etc. Edit control may be able to stream directly from files into its internal buffer (or execute edits directly via file cursor, ignoring the expected slowness of the HDD), at the expense of a file I/O dependency.

[@retro_coder]

That's how it should be done nowadays

[@skreutzer]

1:48:50 One problem with programming text-oriented applications and the way plain text + encoding is handled by operating systems, what can you do other than reading the full file in advance and do heuristical guesses what encoding it might be in, instead of just storing this information semantically in the metadata? Sure, plain text doesn't have a metadata header section or something to safe such indication, it's just ASCII/ANSI-CP/Unicode/whatever raw on disk, but why not have a separate byte stream as supported with various methods, or a general wrapper/container for all file nodes that handle file types better than heuristical guessing based on content or file name extensions? The world would be a much better place IMHO.

[@sgt-Badger]

Jolt Cola

[@SimGunther]

7:00 Difference between immersive and simplified is the difference between the UX of Dead Space/Persona5 and a game for toddlers. With the former, there's a respect for the kinds of options presented to the player and you can just change what's relevant to the context at that time while the latter doesn't give you really any choice but to do what it tells you to much like a central authority in any society run by a corpo/govt co-op.

[@Hyperian]

business wants shiny and pretty things full of features that no one uses because it sells more than the bare minimum of what user actually needs.

[@madpew]

The difference in load time is obviously also because of way less features in VC6, but it gets even worse when you open a real project. And it gets worse every VS iteration.

[@Andrew_1991]

windows 2000 :)

[@windestruct]

Really good OS. Like XP, but diffrent.

[@skreutzer]

1:06:05 It's not so much that developers/engineers are flat out lying, but what might seem to be a small change for the designer might have huge implications and costs in implementation, leading to either a crappy hack that doesn't work properly (amounting "technical debt" that needs to be paid back eventually) or can easily require significant restructuring. So of course developers can do basically everything (as long as it isn't an unsolved problem of computer science), but if they're doing a good job, they're reporting back to the designer what options there are and which approaches come with which properties/expenses short- and long-term, and usually they already have a preference (sometimes influenced by lazyness or their interest to play with new tech), given the constraints they have to deal with, especially in an enterprise/business setting. Just with the UI element example: surely you can draw it yourself, and add dispatching of interaction events, and then make it all efficient, given that the developer already knows and has experience with this type of basic control development and that libraries are already available/integrated for the target OS, but it might take a while. The developer/engineer has the duty to save the designer from decisions that are technically too expensive to be in his/her interest. Compare to the ton of work described from 1:17:30.

[@JosephPaschal369]

how did you setup your virtualization to be so sharp?

[@rogerclarkonline]

i used VirtualBox fullscreen on a secondary monitor that I set to 1280x720. then i captured the display. hope that helps!

[@JosephPaschal369]

@@rogerclarkonline Thx. when first setting up the vm my native resolution was 16bit 480 and scaling was blurry. Go to Devices > guest additions and like magic you get 32bit 720. Nice OS to work in, plus I have a collection of vintage software to play with...glad to find your vid on reddit cheers

[@AEF23C20]

совершенно согласен с автором видео примерно с 2010-ого айтишечка пошла куда то не туда причём, нынешнее гавнищще полностью бесполезно, потому что тотально тормозит глючит падает забаговано, и я не понимаю зачем и кому нужно это гавнищще

[@dihor9575]

it's a nice video but the introduction to 2k was a bit too exaggerated, i mean the vs c++ was fast just because it was designed for the technology at the time,if you would have been using it on real hardware would have been slower

[@rogerclarkonline]

That's true, but that's exactly the problem. VC6 is still pretty usable today. Why isn't software made today just as fast (or faster), when that's perfectly possible?

[@Argoon1981]

I have no doubt that if he was running this on a old AMD or Intel 800MHz CPU, that IDE would still take way less time to start than modern Visual Studio.

[@winnie8614]

That's sad that it is not called Buttpad 😞

[@Warpgatez]

Muted shortly after the start until 24:31

[@SimGunther]

21:21 until 24:31 like you said

[@SimGunther]

Yet again from 1:54:23 until 1:58:48 for the "Google analytics" joke

[@rogerclarkonline]

Sorry about that. Nothing I can do about it, unfortunately. It seems like it got muted long after it had been uploaded.

[@chrisalexthomas]

Windows NT has a meaning, "N"ew "T"echnology, kids today... :)

[@rogerclarkonline]

That's apocryphal. There's no consensus on the origin of the name.

[@chrisalexthomas]

@@rogerclarkonline it's not though, an explanation about why it stands for "New Technology" is an association found in the windows source code that was leaked all those years ago.

[@chrisalexthomas]

For those who are unaware, Windows NT originally was OS/2 NT in collaboration with IBM. But they split and went their own way. OS/2 NT stands for New Technology. That's why it's clear Windows NT has the same meaning. I guess you can say it's all a big coincidence. I guess similar to why some fathers called Scott name their son Scott Junior

[@rogerclarkonline]

My point is that there is no official definition for NT that has been outwardly expressed by the company. There are many possible explanations, including yours, and including the VMS -> WNT explanation.

[@chrisalexthomas]

​@@rogerclarkonline I think the VMS->WNT explanation is ridiculous as saying pick a number less than 5 and being surprised we picked the same number, or like saying you survived a car crash because you picked up a bible in a hotel room this morning. It's completely random and makes no sense at all.

[@uzimonkey]

All those hardcoded wide strings... this thing will never run on Windows 98 and that's a shame. :P

[@sobreinquisidor]

Holy $hit this is tedious asf

[@igornowicki29]

Nice video, but I would be really glad if you could compress it to ~20-30 minutes. I doubt many people will watch whole 3 hours, especially the parts with coding.

[@ricsip]

"NT doesnt actually mean anything"... whoop, lost your whole credibility right at the 1min28sec mark... in a ~3hr video, thats a great achievement I have to say

[@rogerclarkonline]

Thank you :)

[@ricsip]

​@@rogerclarkonlineFor your benefit: NT means New Technology. Theres an entire book how and why this name was given to it, and why it was the most important achievement in microsoft's entire history. Showstopper! The Breakneck Race to Create Windows NT and the Next Generation at Microsoft

[@ahafeel]

Yes.. I've used window 2000 both the professional and server versions... An excellent os.. I regarded it much better than XP..