How To Make Your Cheap Drum-Set Sound Amazing (Extended Cut)

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This is the extended version of this lesson:
• How To Make Your Cheap...
The motivation behind this lesson is that Jared and I wanted to give really good advice on improving your drum sound that very clearly applies to ALL levels of drums, even the extremely entry-level kits that most people start out with. It's also important to us that this advice requires NO money to apply, because we know that not everybody is able to invest in new heads or new gear.
My first kit was an absolute clunker, and hearing and seeing what this lesson is about would have made a huge difference back then! We really hope this helps you to get a better sound out of your kit!

[@mklschwrtz2]

Jared has the nicest voice. I'd totally hire him to read bedtime stories for me!

[@timanderson9466]

I have played since I was 12 and I'm now 54 and I'm embarrassed to say that I've never learned how properly tune heads. I have an old set of vintage vistalites I am anxious to go try to properly tune. This video was wonderful! Thank you.

[@danbiesheuvel7745]

I swear these guys are going to cuddle later using that pillow...

[@drumnplagiat]

Man, that really did help me ! Thank you guys so much !! I've been looking for a good tune for my drum set, which I know is good but I didn't know how to tune it well... I didn't understand how cheap kits could sound better than a Pearl Export kit ! :) GOOD JOB and THANKS A LOT !

[@snipersveil3852]

a simple drumset turns sounds good after a detail by detail tuning.. very informative video, worth it to watch. salute to both of you..😎🤘

[@davidmcaninch4714]

My first kit when I was really little, it was a CB drum kit in red. It had a bass drum, two toms, and one cymbal. It was the worst. Then I got a Starion by Yamaha kit in black, and it sounded a tiny bit better, but not by much. My first big boy kit was a Pearl Forum, which I still have at my dad’s house. It sounds great, but tuning the 13 inch tom is a nightmare, it’s almost impossible to tune. I then got my first electronic kit, which is a Roland TD1 kit. And it sounds great too. But then, I got my favorite kit ever: a DW Design Series kit in Midnight Blue Satin!!!!!!! I love it!!!!!!!

[@waltana02]

Three days later, our intrepid duo was just about finished tuning the heads.

[@waltana02]

I stayed with them for 2 1/2 days then gave up! I was wanting to maybe try drums for a supplement to my physical therapy but after watching all that, too much like real work!

[@ItsEphora]

Daffy Muck It's not like you have to do it every time you want to play... Or go for an electronic one, it's still fun !

[@waltana02]

Arthur Vyncke I have always wanted to play but haven't the $$$ for lessons and now haven't one foot or the back to sit still but thanks anyway

[@camuslejarre9052]

Am I the only one finding that the "bad" kick sound is actually SUPER HEAVY ?

[@OfMiceAndCody]

Agreed, it sounds nice! Although it's really bad compared to my drummers kick :D

[@PeytonCox]

It's nice to see even someone like Cobus is learning a thing or two about tuning. Makes me feel better about my own tuning skills. :) Love this video.

[@Lycosa]

Yup, tuning and stuff like that. Cobus, awesome!!!!!!!! Yeah, i have a cheap drum kit and it sucks, because i would need to tune it, etc. 125 Dollars for that? WOW, thats cheap

[@firepants20]

Right? I got less than that for 800..

[@Lycosa]

Exactly lol... Same thing with my cheap kit. 500 Euros (700-900 dollars) and it sounds like the same... Or worse. Crappier symbals for sure.

[@ashgrooves4472]

you guys are amazing very useful lesson learnt a lot...

[@jctimmonsable]

Talking about Rogers..... I still have a '74 Rogers. I don't take it out for shows, though. I use a ddrum for shows.

[@FloridaWild]

Those Sabian B8's may be entry level, but they sound great! I have all B8's and I believe they have a better sound than some of the higher priced Sabians. I could have purchased the higher end ones, but I just liked the sound of the B8's. To each his own. Very informative video too!

[@Snarethedrummer]

This is fascinating to watch! I respect Cobus a ton as a drummer, and it changes my world view to learn that he struggles (or used to struggle) with tuning. Clearly I take my ears and training for granted, and this helps me appreciate how much work new students have to put in to learn this stuff when they aren't naturals at it. Great lesson!

[@tracezachdaniels4264]

awesome job...! thank you so much for making this video.!! I learned a lot.! Tee

[@hannahkeese2547]

Omg that's my percussion teachers old drum he sold it to and auction site on Facebook and I learned in that lol

[@nsiepmann]

This is some really approachable, informative stuff. I'm a total novice to tuning and stuff, not really being a drummer, but knowing this stuff will really help with recording bands, as the ones at my level aren't exactly going to be using top-of-the-line Tama monsters... Thanks, guys!

[@ronnocs29]

wow I just got to 16:31. Cobus said the toms had 4 lugs each. I have a kit, my snare has 6 lugs each. the 2 rack toms have 4 lugs each, the floor tom has 5 lugs each, and the kick drum has 6 lugs each... I wish I had the money to afford a Pearl Export kit. I think it's about $600 for a really advanced kit

[@ImTheDrummer115]

NEVER USE TUNING KEYS TO MATCH PITCHES. Use a stick, do a rim shot with your finger, just DON'T use keys. It could damage the head, but Dave Weckl has also stated that he damaged the bearing edge of his drums with his key while tuning (On an expensive Yamaha kit) Imagine the damage on a cheap set. Please, don't risk it.

[@p-tomrichi5244]

5:45 - 5:55 Jared had already said that...

[@Zurdortega]

It´s impossible to damage the head barely hitting the head at that volume with a drumkey ;)

[@michaelward4026]

Great tips that take most players 15 years + to learn or be told. Don't be swallowed up be the Drum manufacturers claims guys that you need to purchase their latest exclusive special timber, process or hardware/mounting combination to make a thump sound good. I maintain that 80% of the drums sound is down to the head selection, tuning and muffling dependant on your style of music and drum sound preference. I've played many high end kits on "Festival provided back line" that sound like cardboard boxes also... There are plenty of cheap ways to make a dog of a kit sound great even with old heads as this clip proves. One thing I'd add, it could well be worth removing each skin completely from the shell and rubbing an ordinary household candle around the bearing edge a few times to provide a lubricant for the skin to contact the shell. Seems to help the overall tone and allows the skin to move without as much friction, resistance or choking I've found (it's also good to get rid of years of dirt and gunk that have collected there). Go from there to the finger tight stage, quarter then eighth turn and tune each head to itself. Another two tips while I'm at it: Try some Gaffa tape on the underside of cheap cymbals also to reduce the ping. Try throwing some of that balball chain they use on bath tub plugs to make a cheap Sizzle Cymbal (one that can be easily removed unlike drilling holes in your cymbals and inserting rivets like they used to...). Great vid Drumeo!!!

[@osodrums7897]

Allow me to save a bit of time, tuning is more important than hardware. Good Remo/Evans heads will make any drumset sound better with the correct tuning, tuning is also subjective, and quite opinionated. But if it sounds good with the ensemble or genre you're playing in, you'll be A-OK. My buddy has a cheap Stagg Drum set, but he invested in some quality Evans heads, and Meinl cymbals and I was like, dude how in the HELL did you make such thing? So for those of you that don't have the cash, and care more about quality. There you go :3

[@kylenorton15]

STAR PATTERN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And is he wearing an Acacia Strain shirt?

[@mauricechiu1942]

The best video ever!

[@campnation9115]

The guy in the black T-Shirt looks like Bennett James off of Dog With A Blog

[@vedasticks]

Also with floor toms ive found that some strange sounding floor toms tunned as low as you ca get away with sometimes even with the top skin with a slight wrinkle, when you mic that up and put it through a big PA system sound thunderous. Even 14" floor toms can sound huge

[@rosswalker1926]

Thanks I needed this video my church has a 1980 Tama made in Japan drum kit, it not made out of wood it has this black and white form the church don't have money to buy another kit and I didn't what to do but now i know how to make this kit sound better thanks for the tip.

[@zep4141]

I have an 80's Tama Swingstar with old heads and I was going to replace top and bottom. But I am going to fool around with tuning the old heads experimenting with them before installing and tuning the new heads. Thanks for the lesson.

[@johnmenger813]

zep4141 i have a swingstar (no idea on year) but i got remo pinstripes and it sounded 3x better. id say just spend the 70 bucks on heads of your preference!

[@jaimeluna4636]

Ya me voy a trabajar !

[@j88k001]

6:50 - Ohhhhhh Snap!! (funny how almost no one knows that trick though.....)

[@mrstanskaggs1]

Have you ever pulled dents from the head with a lighter I found if you take your head off, you can safely use a lighter to pull dents from the head (careful not to burn a hold or make the material too thin too).

[@jayvalle50]

Ive only done this in a pinch.......it works just enough to bring some life back into the heads. Its an easy hack to make the heads last just long enough until more are needed

[@brendancooke8364]

It would be cool to make a cover series only using a cheap drumset such as the PDP Concept Maple kit with inexpensive cymbals like the Sabian XS20's!

[@pierces19941]

+Brendan Cooke he already did, look up all of his old videos, profit

[@brookie2464]

+Brendan Cooke thats my plan just been looking at dw kits

[@actualcheese1313]

+Brendan Cooke PDP concept isn't really that cheap pricewise it is but all maple shells not very cheap.

[@brendancooke8364]

I guess its a little expensive but a 4 piece kit costs $679 US, and for the sound that you're getting its a pretty good deal. It packs a surprising amount of low end warmth with some punch when tuned right, to my ear anyway, and the mag throw off is pretty nice too. Which I suppose makes it more of an intermediate kit. Its a pretty good deal tho. KWA Airsofter

[@actualcheese1313]

+Brendan Cooke oh yeah the concept drums are amazing professional level drums for a low cost. But they are not cheap drums when it comes to quality

[@MrJakejarmon]

:43 out of tune, 33:58 in tune, 39:23 in tune and muffled, 42:58 jam sesh

[@MrJakejarmon]

0:43 out of tune

[@jmanbgg]

I've always learned to cross tune each lug so the head stretches evenly.

[@julierussell7185]

jmanbgg Def for a new head!

[@SamWilsonMusician]

I use a hoodie and 3 wwe belts in the bass drum

[@rhythmantic]

Very informative tutorial, thanks fellas for sharing your method of tuning.

[@BluesTramp]

Max Martinez : back in the 70's I started out with a bare bones set of " Ludwig's", later I moved up to a double bass set of Premier's ( a hand me down from Prairie Prince, the Tubes drummer ("White Punks on Dope"), I bought a deep dish Rodgers snare and loved it...the other day I found a full set of "Orbitone's in a Good Will store It came with solid hardware a "Sabin" ride cymbal, the others are not quit up to par. But it sure feels good sitting down to another set of drums. The story continues....hey, I can't find my drum key...!

[@DETHKLOWN]

7:00 when he shows him that trick and he's all surprised, wish I coulda taught Cobus that! :(

[@frankburdodrums8984]

I'll give you one way to make any drums sound good. Aquarian drum heads.

[@larecetasessions]

once... I used a modess for muting the snare... it works AMAZING

[@geometricpatterns6]

First, take all the heads off and clean everything including the heads and bearing edges. Then tune it.

[@NiceGitch]

Vote for Pedro.

[@TheRealSandman]

Trying to make my toms sound better and learn how to tune. Hope this will help me out :)

[@wrksnfx]

What was the name of the bidding site on facebook?

[@jaimeluna4636]

Excelente !!!

[@mudeye]

Guys.... I want to give You an A+ for an excellent video. Easy going , Very simple ,patient , plain instruction. Camaraderie , Fun to watch. I learned from it! Thank You.

[@TheApostleofRock]

Maybe one of you fine gentleman can answer a burning question of mine. I really need a new set. I've currently got one a step above this lol. I have a dream set in mind: minus an assortment of symbols and various hardware, it would be a custom DW with custom finish blah blah blah. Basically snare, three rack, two floor, bass, comes out to about 10G lol. Needless to say I don't have that much. So the question is, I have an amount of money that would allow me to get like a bass, floor, rack, and maybe a snare of this dream set, onto which I would hope to add to later, OR I could get a fairly high quality kit from say PDP without my dream finish and whatnot, but I'd be able to get full five toms, kick, and snare and still a pretty freakin nice set. Opinions? I've heard its 80% drummer and 20% equipment. The expensive set would be a good investment in the sense of never needing another set. But it's not like I'm going to be a professional musician.

[@PNW_Sportbike_Life]

Using a tune-bot helps train your ears, making pitch matching a lot easier. It also saves a ton of time and is worth it's weight in gold. With regard to the snare reso side, get your rods finger tight and give it a few turns and you're good. The resonant side does nothing but determine snare sensitivity and you want it tight.

[@1toonhead]

You guy's should buy a drum here in Perth, Western Australia. Then you will know what ripped off is all about. There is no way you buy a second hand beginner kit for with out cymbals for 150 bucks. P.S. Nice job on tuning the kit up.

[@asaeldeleon6713]

Seriously guys thanks its much appreciated.

[@greggoodwin9299]

I would have paid even more just for the Sabians and hardware alone. If you go on Craigslist, Amazon, ebay, Reverb or other sites you will find cymbals and hardware to be extremely expensive esp. cymbals. So if you're shopping for cymbals (and hardware if needed) and already have better shells, instead of looking for them separately, look for sets being sold cheap by people who don't realize the cymbals and hardware are well worth it. Look for Remo and Evans heads also. Good idea to take heads off and clean built up dust. Then when putting heads back on you can rotate them different placement than before. You maybe hitting a zone that has the most wear on it. And tighten heads back on go little by little, not going from one to the next one over, but go across ways like you would draw a star and alternate

[@vedasticks]

I learned to tune drums from one of dave weckls videos (possibly back to basics) he breifly covered tuning and the most helpfull thing he said was that generally drums sound there most natural at just above the wrinkle point, so to start with the head loose then evenly tighting lugs while pressing the skin until you get rid of all rinkles and go from there. one of the mistakes i see alot of drummers making when tuning is tunning toms and even kick drums far too high. but theres no hard and fast rules, thee are reasons for going with much higher tunings. I had a pearl forum kit cost £400 with cymbals15 years ago. I replaced all skins with remos and tuned them well. The toms were still a bit of a struggle, but the kick drum was amazing. The only way i could get a decent sound out of the snare was with really tight tunning.

[@lisaholmes6408]

My daughter does programming with websites my ideal my be given to the record label.I gave detail on how design software any one. I have ask my cousin help. I also shared in a letter how I would learn about technology television boardcasting as young teen. My thought I was dum could not learn. now I am doing what they said I could not do. I did not to college for some but I just mess with how to put things together when young.. they do want it to be me that get the creat for theses thinks that coming out. SkyDream Lyrics ProDuction.Llc

[@drumsNstuff79]

Great practical advice for any drummer on any kit, especially a used budget one. I'd add that if you have the time, take apart the whole kit and clean it first. All you need is a screwdriver to take off all the lugs, and a bucket of water plus chrome cleaner for the hoops and metal. Clean the shell's wrap (be careful if they are painted and stained as the finish isn't as durable and could scratch.) and wipe out the insides and edges with awry cloth to remove and crud. This will mostly be sawdust and wood chips from sticks and dust. Then shine up the hoops and lugs with a good chrome cleaner. Re assemble each drum and then tune and your kit will look and sound a whole lot better. If you are a smart shopper, you will hold out for the kit that is just dirty, but not scratched, broken, and rusty. Now you have a great kit you can gig with and not be too worried about or as a backup or practice kit.

[@danbiesheuvel7745]

I asked pros for years how to tune. It was tune the high to C and then do blah blah blah to the rest. Finally a session player said, "Tune the floor tom to a good soiund and playing up play the theme song to Bonanza. You can do this to as many smaller toms as you have. Never use any of the 'zen' tuning tips anymore.

[@chrisl.5425]

Watch from beginning in 0.5 lmao

[@andrepereira3338]

I have a set of muffle heads from Pearl, and I'm constantly playing around with my drum set, so I always switch from one to the other. If I decide to put this muffling technique on my normal heads, what should I do when I want to change the heads? Should I keep the tape on even when I take off the heads and leave it on forever? Or remove it when I change them and when I put the normal heads back on, put another set of tape?

[@oM3NS0o]

my drum set continues to sound like crap..

[@madhatter1662]

How does the number of lugs affect the quality of sound on each drum?

[@justinjones3166]

Mad Hatter It doesn't really affect the sound in a significant way, but it just lets you get more specific tuning.

[@gabrielchavez5661]

Cobus Great video, could somehow add Spanish subtitles to your videos?, Also to help those who we pull Spanish, please and thank you.

[@jangtheconqueror]

I wonder whether the person they bought this off of is like, "Crap, I could have done that?" Also, I think they should have included the part about not hitting the head with the key in the shortened version.

[@ianmomii6247]

don't hit the head with the key! she's a gentle soul. also you aren't supposed to go linear around the head, it'll put even more uneven tension and ruin it more than you did hitting it with the drum key. it's like tightening lug nuts on your car, more of a star shaped pattern.

[@madhatter1662]

Ian Momii 5:45 in the video. It is specifically stated to NOT use the drum key to check your tune, if you are tuning a NEW head. Since it was an old head that wasn't worth worrying about, they used the key anyways.

[@Picsio64]

Great vid. Gonna get my kit sounding the best it can be. Thanx guys. Glad you kept this on YT after all these years.

[@kungfuninja55]

Not that it really matters on an old head on a cheap set, but you should tune in the star pattern or at least across the drum. It sets the head more evenly. Like I said, this isn't really important with a head like this, but any new head deserves it.

[@AH.111]

thanks guys! you really helped me make my cheap and horrible drum kit sound incredible!

[@brookie2464]

im using this to get my performance percussion kit and then at Christmas im getting good cymbals the sabian sbr kit and evans heads

[@jakemullins7339]

Brazilians are cool ass people, super real and obviously very practical with what the have.

[@smintman85]

very cool and interesting video. Now i know what to do for my cheap drum kit ;-)

[@guymarzello8818]

great vid guys. cheap drums can sound good...spend your money on cymbals

[@MICQUIAMBAO]

tuning ur cheap drumset w/o buying anything...hmm, well i need to buy a drum key.

[@mitchellbarlowmusic]

***** Truth be told, everyone looses their first key, I did

[@T20Channel]

+Mitchell Barlow I've lost 2 so far

[@danielmyers06]

Moon gels have really been my best friend in tuning. especially the snare.

[@JancoLeRoux]

Does anyone know where I can get drum free songs to practice with?

[@rjhoward5784]

Lol my drum set it five lugs on the 2 tons and it's called like a spectrum brand

[@FrankAngelOfficial1]

This was so helpful my son told me that his drum set sounds as good as yours

[@juanpablovaccari]

Sorry, what do you use instead of the pillow for the inside of the bass drum??

[@anthonylepper4395]

It depends if u have the money go to musiciansfriend.com and look up the "Evans EQ pad", IF not then a blacket will do fine< a small blanke would be the best just so that it is touching both the front and back head, But it depends on your taste as well

[@superone4561]

Thank you Jesus.

[@KaiYoungsteadt]

you should make a video with this kit with the toms out of the bass and on snare stands.

[@anishadow24]

thank u so much for maing this video, it helped a lot!!!

[@witsanuphongamnuaysombut9461]

Cobus Potgieter my idol :D

[@Kineticartist]

Great video good info been learning alot from you both Ive been playing hand percussion for 20+ years (Djembe &Vongas) just getting in to trap set. Thank you so much Jared and Cobus rock on!

[@jonathanbennett5611]

Why are you guys muffling drums! Horrible! :)

[@jesuit760]

interessant...

[@IsAngle]

wow, youre amazing !!! thank you very much !!

[@rooftopsignals7313]

where can i get these drums in 125$?

[@ogredad55]

It's really decent of you guys to put this all together, wow! It's very difficult to find these types of videos. I bought an E-drum kit (Yamaha DTXPRESS lll) in 2004 because my vintage Rogers set (1973) sounds so bad in my basement. Of course, these E-drums have obvious limitations, even though they don't sound harsh; the toms don't sound real. Now I find out I need an add-on such as Addictive Drums. The problems never seem to end........... Thanks so much guys! Much appreciated! Bob

[@Rush1017]

Do coated heads work better for preventing overtones?

[@miketython1493]

Damn I got a tama 600 dollar drum set and this one sounds better

[@levimcduffie]

Neither examples in the beginning sounded good

[@Hotshot2414]

For anyone wondering (or complaining the room they're in has an effect), Cobus recorded both his 101 Series and Quadrum Series in a room which was not sound proof. He used just carpeting, drapes/curtains, and possibly a little wood over the windows of his room. That.s another way to achieve that environment. Even so, many of his other covers were stage played in a Church, so echos would've been present.

[@cdukedrums]

I could really help them learn how to tune a drum set. I have spent thousands of hours tuning. Get I a keyboard. I always will tune to notes for the reference. I usual use the winkle approach. I have an entire document created to know the range of each drum depending on size and thickness of the drumhead. from here you can always tune to the key of the song you are recording to on the fly. I am wondering if this info could help anyone and if I should create my own tuning series.

[@Medina3334]

Hey you guys are using the same pedal I'm using except mine has an Iron Cobra rubber beater and knot I felt beater with tape around it still what a coincidence if you want send that pedal to me so that way I can have to for my double pedal set up

[@Medina3334]

And pretty much because mine has just turned to crap so if you haven't already given in a way can you please at least consider giving it to me or selling it

[@phoenixanthonyrobins6835]

Nice one, guys. I used to work in a drum shop in London, and people would bring great drum kits in - many very expensive - that were frustrating the hell out of them with bad sound. It was almost always tuning, unless they'd really gouged or stretched the heads so they needed replacing. If time permitted we'd get them to sit with us while we retuned the kit from scratch, and it usually transpired that the whole tuning process was mystical and new to them. Gotta love your chosen instrument enough to know how to set it up!

[@1missing]

If you put your stick under the snares like that, wouldn't the stick press down on the rims, meaning when you remove the stick it's going to go out of tune?

[@gregfeneis609]

Snare should still be disengaged and loose and the stick is only propping the snare up from touching the head. Only the weight of the stick and snare on the rim. Very little interference with tuning.

[@mrtrusty1012]

great advise especially for the guys new at the game.. I also find also when tuning floor toms you can adjust opposite tug helps too. so I mean, tuning a lug and you're adjusting that lug but aren't getting a drop or rise in the tone, that's when I will go over to the opposite lug and adjust it, that will change the original lug space/area. Hope that makes sense :)

[@Paranormal1041]

Guys, i have a DDrum old Daiblo kit. when tuning the snare its a 7 x 14 i get those hollow sound. how do i fix that . also i get the bleed over to the other toms, bottom heads . ideals on what to do ?

[@Paranormal1041]

tag Davis the shell sizes i have are 8 x 10, 10 x 12, 14 x 15, 15 x 16 and 2 - 20 x 22 but only using one bass drum

[@matthewalmario4171]

Thanks for the video! I thought this would be a breeze when I was watching, but it was more difficult then it looked. I did the loosen, go to finger tighten point, and then 3/8 turn on the top head and 1/2 turn on the bottom head. Afterwards, the heads still felt too loose and uneven. And it's still hard for me to distinguish the tone. Still, very informative. I'm hoping after watching more videos I can understand the mechanics of tuning and get more of the science portion down.

[@gregfeneis609]

Note that at 23:36, the bottom head sound is tested with the top head against the carpet, whereas the other drums were tuned with the opposite head not muted. 26:58, The bottom head is already higher than the top head. If you want to bring the whole drum up, bringing both heads up equally (e.g. 1/8th turn) will bring the whole drum up and the the bottom head will still be higher than the top. Bringing the top up 1/8th and the bottom up 1/4 as suggested will bring the drum up, but will also increase the delta between the two heads. 27:14, Warns against tuning old drums too high. See note above.

[@havefuninlife62]

can anybody give me a link of this set:D

[@RealisticRick27]

Cobus, what type of shoes are those? Chucks?

[@AMDComedyTv]

I have a Rogers drum set. I'm having trouble tuning them to make them sound rad, I'm very bad at this

[@alanstarr5593]

+Max Martinez Rogers are not cheap drums they are collectibles, If you need help I will call you Alan

[@richardbandini9077]

In my opinion, it stills sounds terrible at the end of the video. It would have been interesting to see how new good drum heads make it sound. I wold have appreciated a shorter version of the video too..

[@yrussq]

Richard Bandini It's not sounding terrible - it sounds totally like a big smelly pile of shit.

[@rjamison513]

can someone help me, how can i get my rack toms close together like there drum kit and everyones drum kit

[@DylanK811]

You most likely need to raise the height of your toms and level them out some. You may also want to raise the height of your snare and floor tom and even your seat to help to accommodate the height gap between your toms mounted on your bass drum. If you prefer to play with a lower tom height, maybe consider ditching the 2nd rack tom for a single rack tom and floor tom setup. You can then move it to the left, away from the highest part of the bass drum and be able to keep it a bit lower.