I've carbonated soda with this setup for several years and it works great and is SAFE if you follow a few rules. NEVER force carbonate in a soda bottle at more than 45 psi. Use a machined stainless steel carbonation cap. NEVER use those cheapo plastic ones! Use PET bottles. They are tuff! I've never had one pop, even after hundreds of uses. ALWAYS connect the ball lock to the bottle & cap with the CO2 ball valve at the tank CLOSED!!! Press out the air in the bottle and tighten the cap. Connect the ball lock and slowly open the ball valve. It will gently pop with pressure and you can start shaking. I usually give 20 or so shakes then wait a few seconds and repeat 4 or 5 times. Turn off the tanks main valve! Disconnect your wine and slowly bleed off the internal pressure! Remove the carbonation cap and screw a cap on your bottle. Now depressurize the line and regulator by pushing the button inside the ball lock. I use an old sharpie (non pointed side) to do the trick. Works great. One more thing ALWAYS carbonate REFRIGERATED COLD LIQUIDS!!!! I cannot over stress this point. OK, have at it and have fun!
@allencristobal6336 Жыл бұрын
Can you send me a link to places where you've purchased parts?
@mk8103 ай бұрын
How about not using gas from the welding shop
@studentism2 ай бұрын
carbacaps are plastic and are extremely well respected. a lot of generic metal caps will shred the threads on your bottle or your finger. both can work equally well or equally horribly.
@naturlich218 жыл бұрын
Homebrew shops have gas line, that beverage line is far too wide, the line should fit tightly on the barbed ends.
@Actinuon3 жыл бұрын
Defo, without question.
@ghostkilla9312 жыл бұрын
If it works, it works.
@zeroumashi29477 жыл бұрын
you're using the wrong hose, it's supposed to be braided vinyl rated at 220psi. the hose you're using is not rated for high pressure c02 and is also the incorrect diameter, it's supposed to be 1/4" not 3/8". the clamps you use are supposed to be "o-clamps" or a crimp on "hose ferrule" but never a phillips or slotted "hose clamp".
@jzjzjzj4 жыл бұрын
does it need to be braided vinyl?
@joelaso584 жыл бұрын
@@jzjzjzj no. The pressure involved is not that much. Theres a reason they sell these bundles on amazon with a clear plastic vinyl. Yes technicay it should have a red co2 rated hose. Ive been carbonating with these and never had an issue. Never use a glass bottle.
@johnanders88614 жыл бұрын
snowyynights it should be. But it technically doesn’t HAVE to be
@zeroumashi29474 жыл бұрын
It's supposed to be braided vinyl because working with pressures at 80 psi when your unbraided hose is rated at 45-60psi can cause a rupture. The reason i said 1/4" tubing is because the person in the video is using 3/8" id tubing on an 1/4" id fitting. Which brings me to another thing, don't use oversized hose on smaller fittings. Not unless you want parts flying off and hitting someone. You also don't want to use screw on clamps because you won't get a proper seal around the fittings. Telling someone bad advice. If they decide to do this, you're legally liable if they or a guest gets injured from following through with what you said.
@kojakdurham6 жыл бұрын
I like the fact that you showed your bottle explosion. Many manufacturers have started using thinner-walled bottles. As an experiment, you should always start with lower pressures from your regulator as you found out. One thing I'd point out is that while this might be cheap per bottle to carbonate compared to the price per bottle with Sodastream, it's definitely not cheap to get started. The tank, regulator, and assorted parts will set you back over $100 as a general rule. Great vid!
@dabbopabblo3 жыл бұрын
I went down to the scrap yard in my small city and brought home 4 of those things, one was like 4 times the size of his, and the 3 small ones had the valve on-top, so you can just get started for almost free minus the soda budy and tube
@kojakdurham3 жыл бұрын
@@dabbopabblo True, you can sometimes make good finds like this, however you have to check the date codes on the tanks. Most likely, they were scrapped because they are past the 'lifespan' date that's stamped in the tank. Once that date expires, no one will refill the tanks unless you have the tank scoped and recertified, which costs a fair bit of money.
@dabbopabblo3 жыл бұрын
@@kojakdurham idk if it's cause I know the guy but there's this guy who I get mine refilled from and he has never checked the date on the cylinder, but now you mention it I checked and it expires in a couple months, also no damage or large scratches so I don't know why they threw it out, that's interesting though I didn't know
@levyan47182 жыл бұрын
No
@MarzNet2566 жыл бұрын
It's a good idea to check for any leaks at connections and tank valve using soapy water. Any leaks will form bubbles. A large leak in an enclosed space can elevate CO2 to levels which can be fatal. If you want to be super safe, get a CO2 detector or store apparatus outside
@oneyedthing2 жыл бұрын
Is it fatal because of too much co2 on the drink. Or fatal because of explosion? havent seen a good tutorial on this
@MarzNet2562 жыл бұрын
@@oneyedthing Neither one. Too much CO2 in drink is not harmful. CO2 is also not an explosive gas. The danger is that It displaces oxygen from getting into your lungs (due to abnormally high partial pressure of CO2 gas from ruptured tank) causing hypoxia. CO2 Is also poisonous itself at higher concentrations (that was the problem with the Apollo 11 mission, the astronauts were increasing CO2 concentration by breathing in enclosed space when CO2 scrubbers failed). Just don't use tank in a small unventilated space and it should be fine.
@ChunkyMonkaayyy5 жыл бұрын
I love this guy because he learns the same way I do. By making mistakes. LMAO. I’ve done things like forgetting to put those clamps on and a million other similar things. 🤣😂
@Marylmac4 жыл бұрын
One guy added the carbonating process over about a 10 min time frame, slowly, slowly and it looked really good at the end.
@mirovida667 жыл бұрын
Lousy and dangerous directions. The most important info missed. What pressure to use?
@emenikeanigbogu93683 жыл бұрын
35 psi?
@michaeleccles69605 жыл бұрын
where can i get those caps and hose connection. thank you
@ghettowoodfb67728 жыл бұрын
This guy and lucas from dining on a dime are perfect, literally the gold of this channel
@rajtekam26518 жыл бұрын
, lakhansinghtupphgvdvc
@collinlim68 жыл бұрын
Love this! Thanks for the tips!!
@shaunyoder4252 жыл бұрын
Don't use pliers, use an adjustable wrench or a box wrench. using pliers is A) Harder and 2) damages the nut.
@ChrisWolf12 жыл бұрын
This is awesome, but wouldn't it have worked better just using the right size hose/nipple combination? then the hose clamp would just be redundancy rather than providing literally all the clamping force
@scanningnyc6 жыл бұрын
The purpose of the regulator is to dial down the "working pressure" so you don't blow the bottoms out of your bottles or possibly hurt someone. 30 to 40 pounds working pressure is more than enough to carbonate anything, I would stay at the low end of 30 to be safe.
@isaiahhiggins3 жыл бұрын
*green tea explodes* _perhaps a bottle of rose instead_
@korey870611 ай бұрын
Where did you get the bottle cap adapter?
@koopa816mj12 жыл бұрын
Ahhh what cute colors of tools bro. Great content sir!
@farnorthwoods50363 жыл бұрын
While I sure appreciate the work that went into this, and I'm sure your a very smart and lovely man, this poses some serious dangers that most amateur's won't be ready for, and could lead to some serious injuries unfortunately. Not to mention if a person has children, you will need to keep this outside in a garage or shop, because children knock stuff over and mess with stuff as we all know,😉 which means you then have to go outside everytime you want a carbonated beverage. I know the store bought units are an initial expense, but they are safe. I would suggest to anyone who wants to carbonate everything, the drinkmate model, which is made for carbonating every liquid possible, and then getting the proper conversion kit, and a 5lb food grade co2 tank from a home brew shop:) Cheers & be careful!
@DavidQuiring Жыл бұрын
Hey there, I'm considering going the route you've outlined here. A question though: where would you get the "proper conversion kit" for the Drinkmate? Trying to piece together a safe and economical setup for our apartment.
@fahads.suliman59868 жыл бұрын
Where do you get your beats from?
@davidgarner3071 Жыл бұрын
What pressure was your regulator set at? I have been trying with not a lot of luck
@Wolf-Squatch Жыл бұрын
45psi
@donutman1958 Жыл бұрын
Where to buy the tank and fill it?
@LiteBluBeltBoy8 жыл бұрын
I like this dude. he's great at demos
@sedraak63702 жыл бұрын
Where can we get those tools?
@jagardina4 жыл бұрын
You didn't mention the pressure setting, Looks like you have it at 40PSI.
@TheAnantaSesa6 жыл бұрын
Tell people to use food grade co2!
@329b8tvr603o42875v6 жыл бұрын
That's hilarious and more people should have liked your comment
@hamshack87356 жыл бұрын
There is no such thing. Welding shops refill tanks with LIQUIFIED CO2! There is no such thing as food grade liquid CO2
@spencerwilton58316 жыл бұрын
Ham Shack Don't understand- food grade CO2 is ultra pure at 99.9%, industrial CO2 is typically a fraction lower, but may contain dangerous impurities. Are you saying a welding shop wouldn't have food grade? If so, I agree. However if you're saying food grade CO2 does not exist, you're wrong- it is widely used in the food and drink industry. Every bar you have ever been to will have a stack of cylinders in the cellar.
@XaViEr35205 жыл бұрын
Spencer Wilton they probably buy it at a welding shop that refills those tanks slap on a “foot grade” sticker and bam got yourself a food grade co2 tank 😋 jk I don’t know trying to be funny
@zentraidee97017 жыл бұрын
The best demo!
@ceegslug Жыл бұрын
fairly certain the first bottle exploded because of its geometric edges and rigid material. in fermentation of kombucha, square bottles are a no-no for pressurization because the stress points created by hard edges causes bottles to crack
@lishde36 жыл бұрын
You get much better results with both this and a soda stream if the liquid you are trying to carbonate is cold.
@pequodexpressАй бұрын
Can a pressure regulator be used with CO2 tank that has a siphon tube?
@wynkindeworde65043 жыл бұрын
Pressurizing glass bottles can be like playing with fire (to mix metaphor)... when soda syphons were in their early days people died pressurizing them, that why the bottles were often encased with wire or metal.
@HazeGreyAndUnderway8 жыл бұрын
a CO2 leak like that is harmless
@Ravaxr7 жыл бұрын
I rarely dislike videos. This is one of them. Yeah, it's funny, but the practices are dangerous. You need to use food grade CO2, since lubricants for fittings and valves are put in with the gas, and you end up drinking those. The pertinent info, like pressure of the cylinder and pressure past the regulator are omitted. The hose is almost guaranteed not to be rated for high pressure, and fits like a circus tent to a hot dog. And after one use of those pliers, the regulator is already chewed up. You don't even need a mechanic's fixed spanner. An adjustable would be WAY better. The tea incident and the lack of proper tools just shows me that the presenter did research from a moving car, and when dealing with gas canisters, that is really bad.
@hamshack87356 жыл бұрын
Welding shops refill tanks with LIQUIFIED CO2 NOT GASEOUS!!! There is no such thing as food grade liquified CO2
@hardcooling2 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@londonjames59148 жыл бұрын
The track at the end dope!
@globalisite7 жыл бұрын
Fun video, looks like the kinks could be worked out of this system.
@legendfdtl4 жыл бұрын
Is this similar to dave arnold’s carbonation rig????
@JosephCHLam8 жыл бұрын
Any concern about CO2 sources having oily gas?
@gaylardbauhaus63608 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I wouldn't buy my gas from a welding shop like this video suggests.
@wazzab.79367 жыл бұрын
I think he meant a used empty bottle and get it refilled from a reseller of food grade C02
@mecimessiah7 жыл бұрын
SMFH! The difference between non food grade and food grade is nothing. Non food grade is 99% CO2 and food grade 99.9% both have the same impurities and hydrocarbons. Not sure what planet you guys are from , but CO2 gas is CO2 1 part carbon 2 parts oxygen you can't create it any other way. The only reason they throw the .9% in there is so the FDA can makes millions more because of idiots like you guys.
@gaylardbauhaus63607 жыл бұрын
mecimessiah Keep telling yourself that. I happen to know for a fact that some places include a non-food grade oil that they mist into compressed gas tanks during the filling process, in order to keep the rubber seal from drying out and cracking. It's not made for human consumption. While it might not make you sick immediately, I don't have a problem with getting my compressed gasses from a place that I know only uses substances that are fit for human consumption.
@mecimessiah7 жыл бұрын
Gaylard Bauhaus So prove it.
@dustyrhodes67984 жыл бұрын
What’s the psi to the drink bottle Sherlock?
@thebotanicalmind8 жыл бұрын
Love it.
@n017kingg73 жыл бұрын
swag! =D thanks for vid
@tompeterson70677 жыл бұрын
My intial responce to your video was to say "How do you replace the guta of the machine?" but further viewing shows me you're talinking about building your own from scratch basically.
@voltronsupremeFood7 жыл бұрын
Great vid.
@migodbe4 жыл бұрын
I have a question about removing the oxygen from the plastic bottle (by squeezing out the air): how necessary is this step? I ask because I want to do this using the nice big glass GT kombucha bottles, but want to make sure it's safe. Obviously you cannot squeeze out the air from a glass bottle. If it is safe to use a glass bottle made for carbonated beverages like a GT Kombucha bottle, should I fill the water all the way to the top before carbonating, or leave some air in the bottle? Also what is a safe pressure to you if carbonating glass bottles like this? Thanks!
@mattagnew2062 жыл бұрын
You know the old fashioned seltzer bottles that were covered in braided steel mesh? That mesh was there for a reason. Don't carbonate in glass.
@estbeta7 жыл бұрын
At what pressure should I do that? You know so I keep all of my body parts on me
@JanusXX6 жыл бұрын
try experimenting a little. I do mine with 30psi.
@Silverback676 жыл бұрын
Yes, this. 30psi works well. Plastic soda bottles typically start to rupture at 150psi, so at 30 psi, you are nowhere near the limit. Unless, however, you use a water bottle like the dude in the video - water bottles aren't made to withstand any pressure.
@Silverback676 жыл бұрын
also, make sure the liquid you are carbonating is cold. Cold liquid absorbs the Co2 much more easily. and shaking the bottle while it is attached to the pressure actually makes the Co2 absorb much more quickly - a common method of "forcing" carbonation into beer kegs.
@hamshack87356 жыл бұрын
I've been force carbonating for years. 2 things to remember... NEVER do it at more than 45 psi and never with warm liquids.
@jacobdahl26657 жыл бұрын
I can't get this setup to work - the liquid is still completely flat... Does anyone know what the problem might be???
@eater7 жыл бұрын
Are you getting a proper seal? If the gas is escaping at the neck of the bottle, the liquid won't carbonate properly.
@jacobdahl26657 жыл бұрын
Yeah I am getting a proper seal at all the locks. Do you have other recommendations?
@mecimessiah7 жыл бұрын
Are you agitating the liquid? If you just let the liquid sit it takes quite awhile.
@jacobdahl26657 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'm shaking the bottles after injecting the CO2, but still can't get it to work well :/
@chrismcnee92877 жыл бұрын
jacob dahl did you squeeze all the air out? If your following all the directions, perhaps check your co2 tank is full.
@billfelixc8 жыл бұрын
that bottle explode tho
@arieftrianto3 жыл бұрын
Funny sarcatic guy ... 😄😄
@ssko9094 жыл бұрын
Hi everyone! Is this just a regular CO2 gas that you can find in any supplier?
@BobbyIronsights2 жыл бұрын
Yes, yes it is.
@eric695718 жыл бұрын
Who uses: pliers to tighten a nut? A screw driver to tighten hose clamps? A hose that is way too loose for the fitting? ... KZbin channels, you are allowed to do research before making a video!
@spookykidbunny8 жыл бұрын
a doofus does, that's who
@dr.victorstrange68483 жыл бұрын
Yes trust a guy that blows a plastic bottle out of his hand....
@colinmartin97976 жыл бұрын
I overdid it with one of those and wound up with 20 stitches....
@emmanuelwotila18575 жыл бұрын
*favorite swedish retailer* definitely not talking about Ikea
@HazeGreyAndUnderway8 жыл бұрын
that's a shit ton of head space in that bottle, and that first bottle probably would have survived if you didn't have the valve slammed all the way open.
@rikes78552 жыл бұрын
Yeah, looks like a spring water bottle, not for pressure. Use soda bottles.
@FranciscoGomes116 жыл бұрын
amazing
@garjonalpha6 жыл бұрын
2:53 And never be heard from again...
@richardwasserman8 жыл бұрын
Please use a wrench, not a pliers. Pliers cause cumulative damage.
@spookykidbunny8 жыл бұрын
pliers are the least of this dudes worries
@MultiColeccion7 жыл бұрын
I buy it ,,,how much is the cost of this and I need you send to my country in Nicaragua bro.
@Jolene88 жыл бұрын
I'll save an eye and go with soda stream. ;) Cool tho!
@TheSaint1354 жыл бұрын
I've used this method for years and it works far better than soda stream and it's way cheaper.
@dyardsale54752 жыл бұрын
good one
@jborrego24063 жыл бұрын
Looks like I’m going to blow up my hand lol
@vahtryns7 жыл бұрын
Channel locks along with teflon tape would have been a good thing to use. Fuck pliers and the tape will seal properly.
@sakesama17 жыл бұрын
Clifford Endo, Can I ask you a Favor, I am a Disabled US ARMY Veteran Currently living in the philippines,. where I CAN AFFORD to live, I was wondering If you could do a set up like you have there, leave the Tank EMPTY and ship it to my Daughter in Reno Nevada ! Let me know the Cost & what you think your time is worth and I will send you a check from Bank Of America in California. I ask because here they dont have this stuff you have only the 5 foot tall commercial tanks, and they won't help me here ? Can we hook up and can you please help me ? Thanks Rob~
@TheAnantaSesa6 жыл бұрын
Some vids are showing use of dry ice to refill tanks. If you have dry ice in philipines you can diy. Just need a scale. Overfilling is a very real danger for that method.
@jefeortega54393 жыл бұрын
They never say how big of a tank to use.
@raunakagarwal80388 жыл бұрын
Looks like a pain in the ass to me!
@nogao51508 жыл бұрын
Please don't follow this. So many bad practices. 1st: get a CO2 detector and put in the vicinity of where your tank will be. 2nd: use proper connections, like swagelok. 3rd: learn to use the regulator to regulate! 4th: get proper bottles. 5th: enjoy safe carbonation.
@yellosa8 жыл бұрын
You need to have a really small house, with very well insulated doors and windows, plus have a it all leak at once to get any problems with the amount of CO2 in one of those bottles,
@Ardyen3178 жыл бұрын
Another safety concern is the top heavy high pressure CO2 bottle. The bottle has a working pressure of around 1800psi. If the bottle would fall over and off the table it could possibly snap the valve causing the bottle to turn into a missile.
@beachbum4fun28 жыл бұрын
+Rick Nygren Mythbusters might disagree...
@nopewhy60476 жыл бұрын
well if somebody has a brain, that guy ain't use that big CO2 can but gonna use smaller one. and there's even better way which is just buying full loaded kit for fish tank
@seanhamilton46986 жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure the detectors you are referring to are for carbon monoxide which is toxic to humans. Carbon dioxide is only an issue if it displaces too much air.
@mauricioberlanga8 жыл бұрын
Seems safe.
@tosht25158 жыл бұрын
Cool but I think I'll stick to buying Cava, Champagne, Cremant, Spumante...
@danielalt75087 жыл бұрын
1:02 Swedish retailer? Do you mean IKEA?
@banza18 жыл бұрын
so why not just get a soda stream?
@TheHocmaster7 жыл бұрын
Banzai112 the price of refill is cheaper
@justdefacts7 жыл бұрын
Banzai Its an Israeli product. I don't knowingly buy Israeli products.
@justdefacts7 жыл бұрын
Banzai Its an Israeli product. I don't knowingly buy Israeli products.
@Paelorian6 жыл бұрын
justdefacts They hire a lot of Palestinians and their wages are like 4x the national average.
@ShakespeareCafe6 жыл бұрын
Get ye down to Harbor Freight and buy a cheap wrench
@yusenye30758 жыл бұрын
Yo, a tanks is like 80$
@redneckpyromania69655 жыл бұрын
That hose is way too big for thst fitting
@jappperon70128 жыл бұрын
wee parts of this vid could of been done better but on a whole very well made and educational
@Jewnas1232 жыл бұрын
yeah no im not dealing with exploding bottles in my kitchen, ill stick with my sodastreamer thank you
@d0rifto13 жыл бұрын
doesnt he have a proper wrench, hes marring the nut
@V1P3RSlab2 жыл бұрын
Hose too large or connector too small :-)
@steveeb006 жыл бұрын
Best to stick with Sodastream and learn how to refill the CO2 with dried ice.
@TWolfe7778 жыл бұрын
Nice, lol!
@mikemesford50662 жыл бұрын
You don’t need to shake a SodaStream. What’s the difference?
@lemoncurdd22968 жыл бұрын
just get a sodastream, it's expensive, but it takes up less space then a paper towel holder, and it's made by professionals rather than a dude in a Jean jacket who has no idea what he's doing.
@nicolechatman76326 жыл бұрын
cohen sabourin exactly
@woophereigo9755 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful, but dry ice and some fittings later, and you have a cheaper setup. Same thing I guess. Cool vid. A calibrated pressure relieve valve would've done that bottle justice homie. lol
@TommyShlong6 жыл бұрын
This video is setting people up to get injured. There are so many things wrong with this video. Eater should delete this video. Cliff, stick to stuffing your face with waffle fried chicken.
@TheSaint1354 жыл бұрын
I've used this method for years with zero problems.
@monkeyinfernostudios8 жыл бұрын
this isnt really cheap at all. the gas regulator alone is about the same price as an entry level soda stream. you're better off buying one of those and getting a valve adapter so you don't have to rely on their overpriced co2 cartridges.
@Silverback676 жыл бұрын
Yeah, not really cheap. HOWEVER, if you already have the system, because you make your own beer and carbonate it with Co2, then you already have the system, and just need a cheap carbonation cap to be in business.
@nickcarnevalino74624 жыл бұрын
or just buy dry ice and refill the soda stream tanks yourself.
@Tec-fv2xb8 жыл бұрын
Yeah, no. I'll just go to my corner store for some soda
@Simone-cr1sq3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I’ll stick with the safe, easy to use, easy to find more expensive option
@pkendall996 жыл бұрын
Uh, yeah. I'll stick with my $15 soda stream CO2 canisters
@JordanDS16 жыл бұрын
those things certainly don't fill as many bottles as that canister
@lishde36 жыл бұрын
Ya why pay 10$ to refill a 60Oz tank when you can bay 15$ to trade in for a 8oz tank I see what your saying
@jackiec49836 жыл бұрын
soda stream refills are $32 way too expensive!
@TheAgentOfDeath6 жыл бұрын
lol you know the refill for the tank shouldn't be anymore than 3 dollars . My local paintball store refills co2 tanks for 3 dollars which are twice if not 3 times bigger than the ones from soda stream. Safe to say 15 bucks for a refill is ripoff.
@glowst1cks_tv6 жыл бұрын
if you already have a soda stream there's a way to convert it to using bigger tanks.
@brendobon8 жыл бұрын
Just stick with a soda stream. A lot easier and more reliable
@niftyfiftyphoto8 жыл бұрын
I'll stick with my soda stream
@bigchooch44346 жыл бұрын
All problems aside: It also makes whatever you're drinking really bitter.
@Super73VW6 жыл бұрын
your first bottle exploded because you had ZERO head space! I won't mention the many other things wrong with this "educational video" as several others have already mentioned it.
@Silverback676 жыл бұрын
The first bottle exploded because it was a water bottle. Not meant for pressurising.....use soda bottles....
@kamakirinoko4 жыл бұрын
Very nice demonstration. I see why Sodastream is so proprietary about their system . . . because it's so damn dangerous to try to do this by yourself. It's like, You: "You know, you don't HAVE to buy all those pre-created transparent things at the store. I'll show you how to blow your own glass." Us: "Um, wow, thanks!"
@STRIDwastaken2 жыл бұрын
this seems like alot more work than just buying a sodastream machine xD, and besides if you have 2 canisters of co2 to switch you never go empty, and besides they are only 2 dollars to refill so ima debunk and cap this diy o.O
@BL-su5wt4 жыл бұрын
Yikes... Could you possibly have tried this first before telling people how to do something? The exploding cheap bottle was classic. The pliers to tighten the fitting is another gem. Also... even IF you have to resort to pliers because you are too cheap to buy a proper wrench, you tightened it the wrong way, i. e. wrong direction...if you really have to ask, you don't understand the physics involved.
@woophereigo9755 Жыл бұрын
Sodastream bottles can handle hundreds of more PSI than traditional soda bottles and juice bottles. Just found that out today.