www.pathfinders4x4.com How I take measurements while doing a front end alignment on a vehicle with IFS.
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@0713pnguyen11 ай бұрын
Watched dozens of videos on alignments. By far, this was the most informative and practical video. Your explanation of how to estimate caster is superb!
@19sloper4 жыл бұрын
Excellent! Clear, concise, simple, to-the-point, and no music. Thanks very much for the helpful post.
@pathfinders4x4774 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words... and YW. You might enjoy checking out another channel of mine... proscllc Mostly flight.
@MrTouge2409 ай бұрын
After watching tons of videos this is absolutely the most informative not only on how to measure caster effectively and why it is measured that way but also how to adjust it and how that affects things like camber. I was in the market for a Quick Trick Alignment Tool which I may still get just because I think it's a cool tool and could help but I just wanted to say thank you to such an informative video.
@macfarrelljr36982 жыл бұрын
Very good video. No wasted time, very easy to understand, all the information needed and none of the bs. I've been looking at many videos on alignment lately, trying to put together the best of everyone's methods... this video was very, very helpful and explained caster more simply than I've seen elsewhere. Thank you, great video.
@wayneries59702 жыл бұрын
No nonsense tutorial, straight to business, very educational. Thank you very much. I've used thin magazines under the wheels to accommodate wheel movement on concrete, but I like the plastic bags with oil better. There is a lot of engineering and science behind these three adjustments (caster, camber and toe), and each vehicle utilizes this technology uniquely. Be patient, prepare your work, and you'll get through it with fine results. Blessings, Wayne.
@rjinnh39335 жыл бұрын
Well done vid. Simple, straight forward, no BS and no MUSIC!!! I've used both plastic bags on smooth surfaces and 1ft ceramic tiles on gravel surfaces with success. Poster provides good content in a well produced vid.
@pathfinders4x4774 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@bradjunes16102 жыл бұрын
The 1/16th toe in is perfect. Taught from the masters of 1940's and 50's. Best gas mileage and steering for cars and trucks I've been told.
@Coloradosweddingdj5 жыл бұрын
After spending a lot of time watching other videos, this was hands down the easiest, most well explained video on alignment! Well done!
@pathfinders4x4774 жыл бұрын
Great! Glad it helped!!
@ryanelliott26262 жыл бұрын
All these videos make it so complicated like it's a big deal. You sir make it seem so simple especially the caster part. Thank you
@Lonewolf3165 Жыл бұрын
He’s dead wrong on most of what he’s saying but especially when he talks about Caster.
@rschulzeable2 жыл бұрын
Excellent. This saved me from screwing up an alignment that was within spec. I am prepping my 4runner for larger tires; trimming stuff, lift kit, different mud flaps.... I still needed some positive caster to move the tire a bit forward. After doing so I was doing a horrible job checking caster and was ready to make an adjustment. I remembered seeing this video and went back and watched again. I had a piece of "L" iron (aluminum) and cut to size and used my phone to check. One was on 90 even and the other was on 89 flipping to 90 if I fudged with the aluminum at all, it was that close. Good enough.... ! You saved me a hassle. I'll check my toe in next
@markschuyler37689 ай бұрын
Best video out of dozens on the subject! Thank you!
@bendude67485 жыл бұрын
I use vinyl flooring tiles with grease sandwiched between them for the wheels to move on, works great
@jeremysparks45702 жыл бұрын
Damn good idea..
@bendude67482 жыл бұрын
@@jeremysparks4570 it’s amazing how creative you get when you’re on a budget lol
@jeremysparks45702 жыл бұрын
@@bendude6748 right..
@flintcoat2596 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Your idea with the plastic bags and oil is absolutely ingenious!
@scoopy28992 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for clear and concise video. No music to my deaf ears was great also. I'm going to start putting on the lock ease or WD as soon as I get off the phone. Wish there were more like you. Thanks again
@Mr.Stud.Puffin Жыл бұрын
Best video I've seen for an easy DIY alignment. Thanks for this.
@rlachermeier4 ай бұрын
One of the best explanations on how and why to measure caster angle. Thanks
@chrismktgpsu5 жыл бұрын
Great straight forward explanation!
@michaelcarlson49325 жыл бұрын
I agree, your explanation simplified the process, thank you.
@pathfinders4x4774 жыл бұрын
Yeah, alignments shouldn't be mysterious. YW
@danieljones50563 жыл бұрын
Wow that was easiest diy video to understand!! Very much appreciate you taking the time to make this excellent video
@markleong45804 жыл бұрын
Well explained layman language!!! Thanks a lot Pal, well done!
@pauljanssen26244 жыл бұрын
Great video well done well executed best video I've seen in a long time good work
@pathfinders4x4774 жыл бұрын
Thank you ;)
@CopeManMTNDEW2 жыл бұрын
Great video. My 90 toyota pickup is in need of a front end rebuild. Going to use these methods. Great video🤘
@bearwhocares95392 жыл бұрын
Master of his craft. Thanks for the vid!
@lisasolan52012 жыл бұрын
Very good description of how it works. Science!
@daviddunigan8823 Жыл бұрын
Best DIY video I’ve found. Thanks
@brentbradley67114 жыл бұрын
Been doing this for MANY years and the string for the toe. Just use a 2" level on the tire next to bulge. Works PERFECTLY!
@dbristolx46842 жыл бұрын
If I might suggest using two pieces of sheet metal like 12”x12”, apply plenty of grease between them. They work better than plastic bags. Regardless, this video was a great learning tool. Thanks!
@hendricks0262 жыл бұрын
I was going to make this suggestion too. working in the crash testing world, we slip plates like this underneath all 4 wheels to be able to dial in the final position of the vehicles, pushing it one way or another upto an inch or two by hand.
@NicholasRiviera-Dr11 ай бұрын
We do this in the aircraft industry when playing with the nose wheel steering system
@soulmuzings88445 жыл бұрын
Great video!! found you through suggested videos. I just started a KZbin Channel not long ago and very interested in the human evolution and spirituality topic. Keep following your passion and creating great content. Sending you good vibes and lots of love 💖
@pathfinders4x4775 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@TheBigblockv83 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge. With ways to check it all out from home. Your info was clear to understand, to the point, relevant and enjoyable to watch. You have had so many views but such little subscription. What a rip off! Oh well you got one more subscriber today mate.
@pathfinders4x4773 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your kind words!
@andando_huellas Жыл бұрын
Excellent idea!!! You are a genius!!!
@bubbap85952 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. Very good explanation
@joeyjed68424 жыл бұрын
Stellar video and tutorial!! Thanks
@pathfinders4x4774 жыл бұрын
YW! Thanks for stopping by.
@anamnesiser4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic explanation bravo sir and thank you!
@pathfinders4x4774 жыл бұрын
YW! Glad to hear you found it helpful.
@pathfinders4x4774 жыл бұрын
YW! Glad to hear you found it helpful.
@haunted_.4 жыл бұрын
Never thought to use a tape measure for toe... Genius!!!!
@pathfinders4x4774 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@KissmyBasss Жыл бұрын
Very well explained, I have adjusted toe-in on a couple of cars. It would've gone faster with the bags!
@zoldrin2 жыл бұрын
Amazing video, thank you very much
@jeremyr7147 Жыл бұрын
Even after years doing alignments on machines. It still gets confusing using ruler mm measurments when it's been a few months since doing a truck by hand on the ground.. You simplified it well.
@CHEECHMUN4 жыл бұрын
Very good explanation! Thank you..
@pathfinders4x4774 жыл бұрын
YW!
@QuickTrickTools3 жыл бұрын
Great video demo
@tboneproductions24535 жыл бұрын
Plastic bag idea is gold. Thanx
@pathfinders4x4775 жыл бұрын
YW!
@1ofhis5185 жыл бұрын
Great info. Thanks.
@roy-whereamI Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this, I learned a lot.
@mrkttrdr2919 Жыл бұрын
great tips and tricks for the driveway mech for alignment specs
@shovelrickshovelhead87135 жыл бұрын
In a right hand drive we need 1 degree on the left hand wheel to compensate for road camber, good vid considering many charges for a alignment is never done ,
@gastecconversionprofesiona4250 Жыл бұрын
Thanks... Great and easy with your video now. From Mexico¡
@mohawg66352 ай бұрын
Excellent video!
@garyandthebat4 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid. Thanks.
@daleburton35912 жыл бұрын
Thanks for a great video.
@arvindpuryag8515 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful truck man❤
@JohnWaid6Plus3 жыл бұрын
This is very helpful thanks
@h2oboater2 жыл бұрын
Nice Video ....🙂🙂 Very well explained. 👍👍
@jamesnewkirk14263 ай бұрын
Great video Thanks!
@brianc67393 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@davihazel36534 жыл бұрын
Very cool man THANKS.
@pathfinders4x4774 жыл бұрын
YW!! Thanks for the comment.
@jb-ik8sj2 жыл бұрын
Very informative
@sureshlingabathina4 жыл бұрын
Excellent
@travissk50362 жыл бұрын
Genius..Thankyou
@bonkeydollocks18794 жыл бұрын
Of course it helps to adjust it when your car is high up from the ground
@oklahomacrabber2 жыл бұрын
Nice! Thanks
@torismith94854 жыл бұрын
your a genious
@pathfinders4x4774 жыл бұрын
ha! Thanks ;)
@skeet9734 жыл бұрын
Nice video
@johnhavlik94963 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@robertmccully27928 ай бұрын
You can use the angel finder in your smartphone also.
@shorelineflooring6266 Жыл бұрын
Great thank you 🎉
@jonpaton44494 жыл бұрын
Brilliant
@pathfinders4x4774 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Paul-ri8vc7 ай бұрын
Awesome video! I use sheet metal and grease/oil for turn tables
@caitlinvankooten8139 Жыл бұрын
This is great! Any tips for working on an uneven surface?
@dano45723 жыл бұрын
thank you so very much for making this easy..!!!! also..... very important!!! make sure you vehicle is sitting level,,meaning,, when looking from the front of the vehicle just by sight,, make sure it looks square to the ground,, and even measure certain points on the frame and get the vehicle "LEVEL"!!!!!!!! IF ITS SAGEN ON ONE SIDE ,,,FIX THAT!!!!!! SQUARE IT UP!!! i have a story of an alignment shop that did my chevy truck and it was low on the drivers front side,,,, and they said that was ok""""" WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WRONG!!!!!!!!!.... sorry,,, I'm done. ( I got screwed). ($80.oo.). now I'm done. luv this video! i squared out the truck in the end.( torsion bar keys bolts.). done.
@jamesbeckwith7802 жыл бұрын
Been doing alignments for 30 years. Least caster pulls. Most camber pulls. Most ford specs are set up to 1/2 to 3/4 degree less caster on left wheel to compensate for road crown. Good video though, Should still have it checked on a computer machine as thrust angle plays a big part.
@stevenweede71844 жыл бұрын
So, if my truck is pulling right then it’s the passenger side geometry that’s off? The reason I ask is because I recently replaced my upper & lower control arms, tire rod end & ball joints on the drivers side. I thought maybe I just needed to back out my left tie rod a bit
@jewllake3 жыл бұрын
So when the tire is turned full lock right, and you are measuring the passenger tire you will get the larger degree 89 and then full lock left it will be 88. So, on the left tire turned full lock to the left it should be about the same 89* and then 88* when turned full lock to the right. If the degrees were switched - would it mean you had negative caster?
@robertbowen66102 жыл бұрын
Sand works well also
@jewllake4 жыл бұрын
I have a similar vehicle, a 06 GMC yukon. My left front wheel tip out slightly on top. If I adjust both camber bolts evenly to to bring the top of the wheel in slightly - is it safe to assume that I have not changed the caster settings?
@pathfinders4x4774 жыл бұрын
In theory that'd be true, but you still want to measure it.
@johnnygalvan13443 жыл бұрын
On your tirods , can you tell me how many threads your out on both sides ‘ I didn’t mark them when I replaced one I can’t get my alignment right your tacoma has the same lift as mines
@ginge3381 Жыл бұрын
when measuring the caster do you have your straight edge pium or to centre points of upper and lower ball joints?
@GJJC133 жыл бұрын
Nice video. I've seen that when calculating caster, some people multiply the by 1.5 the difference between the camber readings from left turn to right turn. Have you seen this?
@NicholasRiviera-Dr11 ай бұрын
Yes I have seen this. I don’t fully understand it but it has something to do with trigonometry. Caster is essentially a measurement of camber at two different angles of steering wheel angle - which is wheel (tyre) sweep. The calculation method has a formula and that is changed by 2 factors: * the total sweep of the wheel (tyre) left and right and * the difference in camber measurements from one side of the sweep to the other. In this video he used 20 degrees of sweep to the right and I can only assume 20 degrees sweep to the left. That is what he said in the video @6:10 for full lock to the right. Start with the steering wheel level and that is the zero position of the wheel (tyre). Put some sort of protractor device to measure degrees of turn and move the steering wheel so the tyre is turned out by 20 degrees. @6:35 he went to the right until full lock. Make a measurement of the camber and this is the starting point. If a digital protector is being used his would then be zeroed. He said 88.5 degrees but looked like it was positive camber (top of wheel out). Move the steering wheel the other way so the tyre is turned by 20 degrees to the left (assuming) and measure the camber, shown @6:46. The castor measurement was 87.5 degrees but the wheel looked like it had negative castor (top of wheel in). TOTAL SWEEP (tyre movement) is 40 degrees (20 degrees right and left from zero). DIFFERENCE IN CAMBER measurement is positive 88.5 degrees minus negative 87.5 degrees equals 3 degrees (remember in this video 90 degrees is the zero point). Maths, this is the formula: (180/3.14)/TOTAL SWEEP x DIFFERENCE IN CAMBER = castor Where 3.14 = pie (180/3.14)/40 x 3 = castor 4.3 degrees of castor. To answer your question about the 1.5, (180/3.14)/40 = 1.43. The assumption is that the TOTAL SWEEP is going to be about 40 degrees. If the total sweep is changed to a different number that is ok, just plug that number into the formula instead of the 40 and the 1.5 will become a different number. It’s hard to tell but unless the castor is dead on zero, as the tyre turns from full left to full right the camber will change from positive to negative (or vice versa). The guy in this video doesn’t quite catch that.
@accordv6er10 ай бұрын
@@NicholasRiviera-DrI was going to say... His 1 degree is not spec for any ifs Toyota I'm aware of. With that tire and height most are going for 4.5deg or so, which sounds like he was right there. So his measurement is just a good relative measure to get to a good spec
@cbain30703 жыл бұрын
My truck was hit on the front driver side as the tire is straight , but on the passenger side the tire is toed in the garage says I need to replace the ball joints is this right . Great Video
@pathfinders4x4773 жыл бұрын
Well... the ball joints could very well be destroyed now... but that's NOT what's causing the toe in. My guess (and that's all it is) is that one or both tie rods are bent due to the collision. That would cause an effective shortening... ie... toe in.
@txsurfnturf Жыл бұрын
Could it also be done by jacking up the front end, tires off, with the jacks placed under the lower control arm to simulate load, while making sure vehicle is level? (Just looking to create more work space.)
@jessicaoswell73612 жыл бұрын
Maybe I Misunderstood but did you say you can center the steering wheel by only adjusting one tie rod? I thought you had to adjust both to the center steering wheel.
@proscllc2 жыл бұрын
It all depends upon whether or not toe-in needs adjustment. If your toe-in measurement is good, then adjust both equally in the same direction to center the steering wheel while keeping that measurement. If you need to adjust toe-in, then only do the one side to fix that and adjust the steering wheel at the same time.
@davehoward36453 жыл бұрын
On toe in if you don’t use any reference from the rear and only use front (tread) then one tire could be towing more than the other correct?
@pathfinders4x4773 жыл бұрын
It will self center as you drive it. Steering wheel may then need adjustment but that's all.
@jawadrishijk Жыл бұрын
Good Infarmation sir I am Pakistan💯💗
@matthewyoung67384 жыл бұрын
Which phone app do you use for finding the angle?
@pathfinders4x4774 жыл бұрын
I use Angle Meter on an Android.
@outcast7899 Жыл бұрын
Someone suggested to use two linolium floor tiles with a little grease sandwiched between, probably works same as plastic bags and oil, my concern is, i need my mercedes up on stack of 2x12s to get under it and my driveway is is not level. It may slide off the blocks. Any suggestions M L Rogers Pasadena,Tx
@johnnyherring48253 жыл бұрын
So I have a 03 ranger 2wd I replaced the upper control arms and lower ball joints I took it in for a front end alignment and the camber bolts are still the way I put them I think he only adjusted the tierod ends I know they couldn't have been right cuz I just put them on knowing I was having it aligned the next day so I just put them on without even trying to get them close to what it was before and they are in the exact same position I put them in thats not right is it
@pathfinders4x4773 жыл бұрын
Nope. Doesn't sound right to me.
@rngwrm3 жыл бұрын
"angle finder app" - duh. why did i not think of this three tires ago?
@murphytoadster9864Ай бұрын
Me and my dad would adjust, then back out and oull back in and check again
@hughmcelveen943 жыл бұрын
It's Jeff Gordon!!!!
@joshholets49233 жыл бұрын
I was thinking more like Martin Short.
@hughmcelveen943 жыл бұрын
@@joshholets4923 You mean Steve Martin.
@joshholets49233 жыл бұрын
Lol yes that's what I meant...lol
@19sloper4 жыл бұрын
Given the angle readings, how do you tell whether the caster is positive or negative?
@aftech72683 жыл бұрын
U use a small piece of plywood for each wheel
@jasunsmith91362 жыл бұрын
If caster is off I know it causes pulling, but does it affect wear if camber and toe are within spec?
@brettblack70492 жыл бұрын
If it pulls you will have uneven wear. But if you rotate your tires often you may never notice if it's only a slight pull.
@scottdowney4318 Жыл бұрын
Better to use digital angle finder. I found the Samsung phone is slightly off by about half a degree, and for phone measuring to 90 degrees it just can not quite get there, as in it is inaccurate and works better when measuring less angle. The analog round meter I have is also off by 1 degree, that is a very rough measurement tool. I calibrated the angle finder using a 4 foot spirit level set to dead perfect level. You want camber measurement to get as accurate as possible. Having the whole car level is extremely important. My choice for level tools is a spirit level or a digital angle finder well calibrated.
@ClearWater7.6217 күн бұрын
In your video it looks that caster affects toe.. the toe in, on my 97 t100 is maxed and too much negative caster might be the culprit. Thanks for explaining @2:00 min point
@Dcelrod2 жыл бұрын
How do you know if the tow adjustment needs to be made on one wheel of the vehicle or if both front wheels need to be adjusted to get in spec?
@pathfinders4x4772 жыл бұрын
The toe will self center when it's driven. This might cause the steering wheel to get cock-eyed, which can be straightened by adjusting the outer tie rods on both sides equally but opposite. If the steering wheel already needs to be straightened, you can adjust toe-in on only one side. This sometimes kills two birds with one stone. That's for IFS... solid axles are different as they use a collar to adjust the steering wheel.
@Dcelrod2 жыл бұрын
@@pathfinders4x477 Thanks👍
@NicholasRiviera-Dr11 ай бұрын
Steering wheel needs to be centred first or the self centring will end up with a steering wheel that is crooked
@jonathangriffith420692 жыл бұрын
Aren’t you supposed to multiply the difference in camber by xx? turn angle 20 degrees each way = 1.43 x camber diff (commonly rounded up to 1.5) turn angle 15 degrees each way = 1.91 x camber diff (commonly rounded up to 2.0)
At 7.55, correct me if I am wrong vehicle will pull towards the side with less positive (or more negative) caster. You have not specified positive or negative caster for pull at 7.55.
@rudydrahovzal46552 жыл бұрын
That's what I was taught, was doing alignments for 30 years
@smokemirrors15313 жыл бұрын
the caster talk - i understand.
@mr_mnky11 ай бұрын
great vid, but (possibly dumb) question: how can you make sure that the tires are pointing straight-ahead when doing the toe adjustment?
@pathfinders4x47711 ай бұрын
It will all self center when it's driven... but then you might need to straighten the steering wheel.
@NicholasRiviera-Dr11 ай бұрын
Not a dumb question, actually very important and should be considered the first step when doing toe adjustments. Steering wheel must be centred first. Depending on your car you could use the steering rack or pitman arm to ensure they are dead centre first.
@aircomp Жыл бұрын
Great video! Have you checked your measurements against a trusted alignment shop's measurements to test the accuracy? Hey, yours might be better actually. Lol.
@hernanmurillo8925 Жыл бұрын
Whay tires are those? Are they loud on the highway?