HOW TO Move With Your Pet from The US to Europe - Step by Step Guide (2020) | Expats Everywhere

Moving with a pet from The US to Europe? The process can seem stressful with lots of steps but Kalie from ExpatsEverywhere gives you the step-by-step process on what you need to do. She explains the things that can be done in advance, what needs to be done within 10 days of departure, and what you need to do when you arrive to the EU.
Kalie used to live in Singapore with her dog Pincho so she has done a similar process before. However, the requirements for the EU are a little different. She explains things like the rabies vaccination, reserving the pet on the airline, getting the USDA to endorse the health check and paperwork, what to do when you arrive, and more. Kalie specifically flew from The United States to Portugal so see what she did in order to bring her dog with her. This is for non-commercial travel.
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[@TheSARAHPOYNTER]

You made my trip so much easier! There were steps here that you listed, like the appointment with the Lisbon airport, that I had not seen anywhere else. I'm sharing this post with everyone. We arrived with our dog without any hiccups! Obrigada!

[@SandraMarksWebster]

Thank you for educating us in a very concise, logical manner. All your info is much appreciated.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

You’re welcome. We were a little worried it wasn’t concise but hey, that’s what the checklist is for 😉 Thanks for your comment.

[@jessiquilla1]

Super helpful video!! You had a lot of tips that weren't found elsewhere, and great to know about the EU pet passport, hope you're enjoying Portugal!

[@anabellabella2266]

very good info, thanks

[@dancelaura2005]

This was soooo useful. I loved the checklist, thanks!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Glad it was helpful! - Josh & Kalie

[@helenamaal]

Thank you! Very informative and well explained :)

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

You're welcome. Glad it was helpful! Thanks for the feedback. - Josh & Kalie

[@grahamrawak2097]

You are a life saver! Thank you for all of these informative videos. :)

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Happy to help! You're welcome. 😁 - Josh & Kalie

[@carolinaduarte3482]

Sooo informative. Thank you!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Glad it was helpful! - Josh & Kalie

[@katytedmon-bury9610]

THANK YOU SIS!

[@brucebrannum726]

Great video

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks!

[@spyhunter66]

Thanks Kalie! Super helpful, especially the USDA part as I was confused how to do it when we move to the UK in a few months! Hope all is well with yall.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Glad it was helpful! We're looking forward to your move to Scotland. We've been holding out on visiting until you get there. - Josh & Kalie

[@Natalie2622828]

so great and concise and informative, saved my life and so much of my very limited finances in making a move to improve my life. thank you so much!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Glad it was helpful! You're welcome. - Josh & Kalie

[@scottstraley]

Thanks!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

This is really nice, Scott! Thank you very much. - Josh & Kalie

[@elainethompson5803]

Another one of Kalie's awesome, to the point, highly valuable podcasts.... What would we do without you? Flounder, obviously. Love ya, Elaine Thompson

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Aww 🥰 how sweet. Always happy to help. Thanks for the encouragement. - Kalie

[@kiralemons1302]

Moving to Germany in January and was dying to find a step by step guide! This was perfect! I honestly feel so relieved

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

All the best! If you need a checklist from Kalie, email her at [e-mail]

[@alynnewenglnd]

🐶 From vet visit to sending off via fedex to our copy arriving via fedex was six days. 👍🏼 Thank you for your video. It really helped understanding the process. (Also, the USDA department was very kind and helpful when I contacted them. As was the airport of our destination.)

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

You're welcome. We're really glad to hear that the video helped! - Josh & Kalie

[@JakeCalleOficial]

Love the page guys! My wife and I are also planning on moving to Portugal with our pup from Florida!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks for the love, Jake. ❤️ We appreciate it. Let us know if you need any help.- Josh & Kalie

[@JakeCalleOficial]

@@ExpatsEverywhere For sure. Do you have any contact info?

[@vickirio]

Another great video from Kalie! Succinct and valuable info. Would love to get a copy of your checklist! It would help greatly with our move to Portugal in a few weeks. Thanks so much!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thank you very much for the edifying feedback, I'll (Josh) pass it on to Kalie. If you'd email her at [e-mail] with the subject something like Pet checklist, she'll be sure to get it to you. Thanks, Victoria. We wish you a smooth move and hope to help in the process. - Josh & Kalie

[@vickirio]

@@ExpatsEverywhere I did send an email :-) I know you guys are busy but I hope you can reply. I appreciate all that you do for this community! Hope to see you in October when I land in Portugal!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@vickirio We've got you. 😉 Keep us posted on your arrival. - Josh & Kalie

[@mystikcamaleon]

Thank you very very much!! Could you share the checklist with us please. We are going through the same process right now 🙂

[@cappylady1]

Hi thanks so much for all this amazing info, I’m wondering if let’s say you’re traveling to Porto but going through Madrid, is it the same requirements? Also now that it’s 3 years later is it the same?

[@madisonlytle1258]

Such great concise info! I'd love to hear some further info and tips on bringing your pet through security, layovers, water/food solutions, as well as potty trouble shooting! Thanks! :D

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thank you! Not in video form, we can tell you security with Pincho is very easy. A bigger dog it might be a little more difficult, but maybe not. With Pincho, he's so small and most of the time there's a least one person in security that's fawning over him. One of us takes him out of his case, his case goes through the x-ray on the belt, and we have to carry him through the metal detectors and then whoever holds him must get their hands swabbed. For layovers, we find the dog walking areas after scouting it out online before the flight. We walk him there/let him go pee. Food and water, we do during layovers but also offer it to him when Kalie takes him to the "toilet" on the plane. She'll also put down a pee pad on the floor of the plane toilet to see if he'll go there, but usually he doesn't and he's too amped up. 99% of time, he does his business on a layover and then as soon as we land in our final destination, we try to get him outside or to the next airport doggie area to relieve himself. Does that help? - Josh & Kalie

[@madisonlytle1258]

@@ExpatsEverywhere Hey thanks so much for such a thoughtful response! Yes it does help. Our situation is a bit different because we have a kitty cat, but it was good to hear your experience nonetheless. I've researched it a bit and what you said definitely lines up with others' experiences.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@madisonlytle1258 You're very welcome. Glad it was helpful. There's something about airplanes that seem to either chill animals out or scare them into doing nothing outlandish. We rarely ever hear a dog or cat on a flight and animals are in the cabin all the time. - Josh & Kalie

[@madisonlytle1258]

@@ExpatsEverywhere Haha I'm just trying to get over the horror image in my mind of my cat clawing me half to death and running wild through airport security

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@madisonlytle1258 😂Please film it! - Josh & Kalie

[@LeonardBottleman]

Thanks for another informative video. We will eventually be bringing a pair of our horses over after we move and find a place for them, but somehow I don't think they'll fit under the seat.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

You've very welcome. It's our pleasure. Thanks for the view and comment. 😂 We would imagine not unless they're My Little Pony - Josh & Kalie

[@scottstraley]

Thanks so much for this. We're 7 weeks out... we have to hustle. =D

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

7 weeks!! Let's go! See you soon. - Josh & Kalie

[@mrsiz218]

Thanks for sharing this, Kalie! We will definitely be bringing our Molly girl along! I mean really, my husband would not be coming if she couldn't! LOL

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Aww, what a guy! 🥰 - Josh & Kalie

[@mrsiz218]

@@ExpatsEverywhere she is daddy’s girl!! Fr fr! 😂😂

[@oreospeedwaggindoesamerica6078]

Wow I keep going through all your vlogs on moving to Portugal and it’s really helping. I’ve been a little overwhelmed trying to figure all of this out on my own. My daughter graduates high school this year and is off to college and I plan on selling my house and all but a couple suitcases and my little dog and myself taking off. Thailand and Portugal has been the two countries I was trying to pick from and Covid has made it even harder. I don’t see us going to Thailand because it’s way to long of a flight for my dog. I love Portugal and the people and it’s easy to travel around Europe from there.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks for watching them all and commenting. We love it! Just to let you know, our dog made the flight to and from Singapore with ease. It was the animal quarantine in Singapore that was no fun, mainly for us. We're glad that our vlogs are helping reach out if you need anything else. - Josh & Kalie

[@oreospeedwaggindoesamerica6078]

@@ExpatsEverywhere Thailand has been my dream and my brother and uncle live there with their families. Your dog is so small and acts perfect it seems on flights. I have a Boston Terrier and she’s under 20 lbs but she’s so needy and would hate sitting in that case for so many hours. Then them having to use the bathroom. I’ve read a lot about not feeding them much or to much water before the flight but I just have no idea how she would be. That’s when I really started researching Portugal.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@oreospeedwaggindoesamerica6078 Wow, you're coming to Portugal instead of your dream move to Thailand because of your dog! Must be a special dog. ☺️ Ours hasn't gotten any better or worse when flying. He generally gets a little nervous in the airport but finds a lot of comfort in his case. His case has always been his chill spot and safety place, you know? You should be able to sit with the case on your lap during the flight and that might chill your dog out a bit, you know? To be able to smell you and feel you near. If you can do 9 hours, you can probably do 16 or whatever the long Pacific flight is. We would not characterize our dog as having good behavior 😁 - Josh & Kalie

[@oreospeedwaggindoesamerica6078]

@@ExpatsEverywhere I spent a lot of time in Afghanistan and dealing with everything after I got a dog to help me. I just couldn’t imagine giving her to anyone and leaving her. I ask myself sometimes why did I get a dog

[@oreospeedwaggindoesamerica6078]

But she’s my girl now. So unless I can figure out a way I’ll be going to Portugal which isn’t a bad second choice! Lol. She has a kennel in our house and that’s her safe place I guess I should buy one of the smaller soft ones and let her get use to it

[@oddeyes9413]

My girlfriend and I are moving to France in 2023, we have a cat and two dogs that have to move with us. So, this is very helpful.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Nice! Congrats on the pending move. We're glad it's helpful. - Josh & Kalie

[@cappylady1]

Also, where did you get the health certificate to bring in to your vet?

[@JenShea]

Great video. Very thorough information! I wonder if it has to be ‘mailed’ or if you can pick it up if the Vet allows you to pick it up.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thank you! We appreciate the feedback. The actual endorse paper from the USDA have to be 'mailed' back to you or the vet but they can't be sent digitally at the moment.

[@JenShea]

@@ExpatsEverywhere - I’m from Canada... I was just wondering for your US followers :)

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@JenShea Gotcha 😉

[@williamgautreaux5545]

For dogs who have to travel in cargo, where do we get them after landing in (in my case) Lisbon? Thanks! These are awesome videos!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Shoot Kalie an email at [e-mail] and she should get you an answer.

[@NorCalMom]

Really helpful, thank you! This is the part of moving that stresses me out the most, bringing our 16 y.o. cat and 65 lb dog. Not so worried about the cat, used to long car rides in his crate, but putting the dog in the cabin below freaks me out. Traveling from CA to EU, I think I would do it in two legs, stopping over on the East coast for a few days first.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Are you on the west coast of Canada like Vancouver? We're not sure what the solution would be, however, with a long (several) day layover, you're adding another level of complexity in logistics because you'll need to go through the pet importation twice once in the US (unless you stay in Canada on the east coast like Toronto)and then again in Europe. We're pretty sure that you know all this but just trying to help you think through the process. Thanks for being an awesome subscriber and contributor in our community here.

[@NorCalMom]

@@ExpatsEverywhere Thanks for clarifying. When I type CA I meant California, so not Canada, thankfully. Yeah, the idea of TWO plane rides is anathema to me but I'm so worried about a 12 hour long flight for a dog. The only thing that worries me is the 10 day timing on that USDA paperwork between a health check and getting to the EU. Adding an extra stop and then getting a covid test and waiting for that is cutting it super close. ARGHH!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@NorCalMom Shoot, that's my fault (Josh). Very valid point about the 10 day timing plus you're trying to book flights or time that aspect as well with the USDA. Have you spoken to your vet about what they think the dog can handle? - Josh & Kalie

[@NorCalMom]

@@ExpatsEverywhere Wish I was at that point ... we've still got a house to fix up and sell first, sigh. Daunting! But I'm like Kalie, when we are able to push 'go', I will have every single data point figured out ahead of time. I've got some serious excel spreadsheets going on. We're looking at next fall for a move at the soonest.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@NorCalMom Nice! Kalie and her lists though. 😳Hey, good for you two because checklists and spreadsheets do get the job done. Next fall should give you plenty of time and we all know, the spring is a good time to sell a house, so there you go! If you need anything from us, reach out. Thanks for joining us on Patreon. - Josh & Kalie

[@msamantham]

This is so helpful! I do have a major question that I can't find answered anywhere (maybe it's obvious to everyone but me haha). On layovers in the EU, does one have to go through this process at each airport? For example, I'm looking at flying to Germany through TAP. TAP always stops over in Portugal. Do I need to go through this process in both countries? Thank you!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

If the pet is in the cabin with you, you take it like a carry-on like normal. If the pet is in the hold, they're transfer the cargo to your final destination. That being said, a lot of things have changed with covid. We would recommend when you call to reserve the spot for your pet, you ask what the process is during the layover. Normally, you will complete this process only at your final destination before exiting the airport. - Josh & Kalie

[@HappyIndieCat]

Its useful information. I am also planning to take my pet to Spain is there rules are same if anyone would like to share the information how to take Cat to Spain

[@edithmonreal2957]

Are there any specific vaccines required besides rabies? or is that dependent on the country you are traveling to? also what about the import permit? who signs that? thank youu

[@laurarodrigo7741]

This was really useful. Do you know in the return label who is the sender? I need to fill that out but I don't know

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Hey Laura, shoot Kalie an email at [e-mail] with this question. I'm sure she'll be ale to help. - Josh

[@madisonws65]

Hi Kaylie. The link to Form & Contact Info for Entry into Portugal isn't working. I wasn't sure if there was a new link, or if something was missing from the URL. Madison

[@tafisl3157]

Do I have to do ALL the steps if I'm taking my pet as a tourist? Specifically, all of the USDA requirements?

[@yerybetancourt5451]

Hi. How you find out about notifying Portugal of your arrival? I'm traveling to Spain and looking for info. There is a website that you check for that? Thanks for your video.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Please email Kalie at [e-mail] so that she can get you the correct info. - Josh

[@maddycw8207]

could you share the link for your dog bag? I can't find one that fits within Air France's requirements.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Hi Maddy, if you could email Kalie your question at [e-mail] I'm sure she can find that info for you. - Josh

[@tinasoccoli8033]

Hey Kalie, First of all, thanks so much for sharing your experience. My husband and I have been watching all your videos many times as we’re moving to Portugal soon with my small Chorkie. You mentioned you lived near Orlando. I wonder if you could share your vet contact. We live between Tampa and Orlando, in a small village. I would prefer to go to a vet who has already experience in this process. Thx in advance.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Hi Tina, this is Josh. Thanks for watching our stuff. We appreciate the support. Could you please email Kalie at [e-mail] so she can get you the right information? You can even just copy and paste this message to the email. 😊 - Josh & Kalie

[@naomitarot104]

I'm actually planning to spend my first three months in Portugal on my nomadic journey. Does the microchipping have to be done before the rabies shot? Asking because my cat already got her 3 year rabies but doesn't have microchip yet. Thank you

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

You're welcome. Email Kalie at [e-mail] so she can help. - Josh

[@junacrause8688]

Unfortunately flying from South Africa we are not allowed to fly our little ones in cabin.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Aww, that's sad.

[@jeffmorrison2915]

No Titer test by EU certified lab?

[@ZGundam83]

What about bringing your pet to the USA? Do you have a video for that? Eventually, I’ll be bringing my rescue cat home with me to the United States.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/pet-travel/bring-pet-into-the-united-states We don't have a video but here's a link. - Josh & Kalie

[@fennilyvalegarden3468]

I'm confused about the return and sender thing? if I don't address it to the USDA how does it not just wind up going out to the sorting center then coming immediately back without ever even heading to their headquarters?

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Would you mind emailing this to Kalie at [e-mail] ? Thank you. - Josh

[@seanchuang620]

Hello, sorry if you have answered this question already. The start of the countdown clock for the 10 day period (from US to EU) starts on the 'day' of the vet exam or the 'day' that USDA stamps your certificate? I am very worried about the 10 day duration and given COVID, everything is being done by physical mail. Please advise.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Hi, Sean. Send Kalie an email at [e-mail] and she should be able to advise you. - Josh & Kalie

[@FizzAzzLiz]

Did you ever get an answer? Im currently wondering the same thing and am freaking out

[@traphittatoni762]

So what is a “pet passport” is that just a stack of paperwork on my dog vaccines his akc registration usda endorsed paperwork etc?

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Feel free to email Kalie at [e-mail] for an explanation. - Josh

[@apriltolentino]

Hello, I'm from Thailand and my cat is a local Thai cat, I'm planning to bring her to Poland later next year. She started her vaccines March this year. My question is about the vaccination particularly the Rabies. She doesn't have a microchip, so those rabies vaccines she got are not counted right? Is it microchip first then vaccines?

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Would you mind emailing Kalie at [e-mail] regarding this? - Josh

[@heartliss]

@@ExpatsEverywhere I have the same question. My dog already has his rabies but no microchip

[@Travelingstufff123]

Im bring my cat to Italy and we will be staying there for about a year, is it hard to bring them back to the US? I can’t find much info on that

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

No, it's not hard. - Josh & Kalie

[@ApexFuturesTrader]

Do you need microchip for Central America?

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

What country are you looking for in particular?

[@viniciusbergamine1537]

does portugal requires a rabies titer exam ?

[@viniciusbergamine1537]

?

[@pixelated_dinosaur]

@@viniciusbergamine1537 In Spain, if the pet is coming from the USA, they don't ask for the rabies titer test, they just ask for the vaccination and the endorsed heatlh certificate.

[@northstarastrology3954]

What if one doesn't drive? Is Uber available in other countries??

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

We don't drive. There is Uber and Bolt here in Portugal. Uber is in many countries. - Josh & Kalie

[@northstarastrology3954]

@@ExpatsEverywhere How awesome! Thank you for your response! ⭐👍😍

[@KINGTHEYORKIE]

I have four Yorkies 😂 I want to move to Costa Rica 🇨🇷

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Yorkie power! - Josh & Kalie

[@mariap6090]

Hello! I loved the video but I'm moving my dog to Vietnam instead of a European country from the US. I am in need of help. I will be leaving the US with my small dog in the main cabin to Vietnam (SGN) on the first week of November and will be arriving on November 3rd before 3pm. I have tried contacting the quarantine station regarding some questions for weeks and it's been a fail. I would be so grateful if you can help me answer a few questions: 1.) Does my dog need a passport? She will have her rabies vaccinated certificate, health certificate, inoculation record, etc. I'm not familiar with the US having pet passports. Or is the passport the same thing as a international health certificate? Some sites says that I do and others don't. 2.) Does the rabies certificate have to be endorsed? can the USDA health certificate and rabies be endorsed (stamped) via electronic (will be printed once endorsed) or does it have to be mailed to a USDA office? If mailed, how is that 'To' and 'From' addresses labeled and how long will it take? Can it be expedited? 3.) My dog's last appointment for her health certificate is on the 27th. Will the certificate be valid when we arrive? 4.) Where do I email and/or fax over all the documents? I've been trying to contact the quarantine station in Vietnam (SGN) for answers but no reply. 5.) I have been reading everywhere and know someone that recently moved to vietnam with her dog (flew in cabin) and she didn't need an import permit/license for vietnam. It is stated that if taking more than 2, then an import permit/license is needed. Is it true that I don't need it since I'm taking 1 small dog on the plane with me (she's not going unaccompanied, no cargo)? I'm confused because 2 had said that you do and 1 of them said at SGN airport. The rest and the lady that moved said she didn't need any permit. I've sent an email to this KZbin page (info@...) but it seems that it will take long to get a reply. So, I'm trying here.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Hi Maria, Kalie is the one in charge of that email and that's who to contact. We're traveling in Barcelona right now with her parents so it might be until Monday to hear back from here. - Josh

[@laiaga8098]

Also would like to know about the #2 question. Thanks

[@bayu9333]

Hey, i wanna ask , i will move to poland next month with my toy poodle she is 1,4kg height around 30cm length 32cm 4 years old neutered. Is it true she must wearing muzzle in public transport ? Because she never wearing it here in Indonesia. Even i put her inside pet bag carrier ? Thank you

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Hi, Bayu mochi. Would you mind emailing Kalie these questions at [e-mail] ? - Josh

[@bayu9333]

already emailed 😊🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@aff8007]

What about birds?

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

It's a little different for our feathered friends. The USDA specifies birds on their website. - Josh & Kalie

[@spacegreycoralred]

Now that I have the EU passport for my dog, do I need anything else to travel to a Non-Schengen territory? We will be going to Montenegro 🇲🇪

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Shoot Kalie an email at [e-mail] 😁

[@brettduffy1992]

I would not mind visiting Europe with my dog but Why would anyone want to move to Europe from the United States you're giving up capitalism for socialism you're giving up freedom for slavery pretty much

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

It depends on exactly what we're talking about here but all of Europe isn't socialist. None of the European countries are more capitalist than the US, however, they're not all socialist either. worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/capitalist-countries

[@brettduffy1992]

@@ExpatsEverywhere they have higher taxes 25% in some countries on sales from what I guess that's even on food a life necessity And you have less freedoms in Europe

[@mobius3466]

Lol capitalism is what lead my Arizona apartment going from 1400 a month to 2000 a month in 1 year. Capitalism is why I haven't been to a doctor in 10 years due to astronomical price gouging. My dad had a heart surgery, and his jobs insurance refused to pay the bill. 675,000 USD. They sued, and won, but still had to pay a substantial amount in deductibles to reach an out of pocket max. Capitalism is what lead the incarceration system to become the most profitable, exploitative industries in America, with 1 single private company owning 80% of all prisons(also requiring a minimum occupancy rate, leading to innocent people being incarcerated) Capitalism has made it possible for free trade and investment opportunities to run free within our politicians, leading to insider trading, and unjust laws being passed to benefit said political shareholders. Whilst I'm still a capitalist, and I do love Capitalism, democratic socialism is better within these modern times. The Capitalism you talk about doesn't exist. When there are few to no rules, people cheat and scam to get ahead. And I'm sorry, but my morality is better than to play the game. As it stands right now, it is cheaper by 30% to live in Dublin Ireland. I'd be paying more in taxes, but said taxes give me cheap Healthcare. I'm already paying 20%, what's an extra 10-15%, if my rent here for a 2 bedroom apartment can get me a 4 bedroom house overseas?

[@mobius3466]

And not to mention the people. America has been dividing and dividing rapidly over the last few decades. We've fought in wars that didn't need to happen, we constantly are at eachothers' throats based on our opinions. To other countries, our pledge of allegiance is strangley fascist. If you think about it, it is. Patriotism is just nationalism in disguise, yet we are taught our whole lives to think it's normal. It's weird lol.

[@brettduffy1992]

@@mobius3466 capitalism allows me to deduct 99% of my revenue off my taxes so I can wind up paying nothing on 70 $80,000 of revenue and still have an Amex Platinum card and be able to live quite well

[@janiswilliams3732]

Hi Great info. You are clear and organized!! Easy to follow. I didn’t catch your e-mail address. Can you please write it here?

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thank you, Janis! Kalie is super organized. I'm trying to catch up to her. Her email is [e-mail] - Josh & Kalie