How to play Custodes in 9th edition - Tips from 40k Playtesters

Learn the new tricks and tactics you will need to play Custodes in 9th edition from a team that has been playtesting the game for months. We take you through all the biggest nerfs and buffs to the Custodes army along with the core strategies and thoughts on list creation.
Don't miss all our other 9th edition launch coverage including battle reports and tactics videos covering nearly all factions in the game.
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Chapters
0:00 - Intro
0:32 - More CP
2:27 - More list options
3:27 - Dreads got better
4:43 - Slower start
5:48 - Great obsec
6:56 - Smaller board
8:38 - Harder to hide
10:00 - MSU
11:04 - No more kill denial
12:00 - Character targeting
13:00 - No more wraps
14:14 - Stooping Dive
16:28 - Captain Generals
20:45 - Screening the vexilla
25:34 - Army lists
30:00 - Closing thoughts
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[@andrewjennings236]

I’m very proud that Brian is pronouncing Cu-sto-des right now.

[@alexb6654]

I heard a lot of bad pronunciation though, could do better... my ears still hurt

[@genuz]

What? No cus-toads?

[@Andrew-yl7lm]

Cus-toads doesn't bother me as much as when people say the singular cus-toad instead of custodian.

[@Tmanowns]

I mean, it's Latin, so it should be "Coo-STOW-days"

[@spectrums9596]

@@Tmanowns High Gothic

[@deang8017]

Every single person who wants to get good at 40k needs to watch all of your videos. You guys are simply the best at these tactics videos hands down.

[@hugostephens2478]

I agree.

[@QenaitheCustodianGuard]

The old tactic videos for custodes where so helpful for me and very well done videos.

[@samg7430]

Custodes are the Emperors bodyguard. Cuss-toads are sassy Old Ones. Know the difference

[@arcticwaddle]

GOLD FOR THE GOLDEN GOD! Im new to Custodes and love your videos for how in depth they are and how easy to follow they are. Thanks!

[@Margr3iter]

This isn't a starter car..its a FINISHER CAR!! A CHARIOT OF GODSS!! THE GOLDEN GOD!!

[@jjk281]

They way you cut this into segments is pure gold. Thank you for such great production values!

[@josephhartung695]

GOLDEN BOIS FOR THE WIN!

[@bigdripmac8685]

you guys are already 9th edition legends!!! these vids are just f***** awesome

[@mcth0ny]

The quality of these are amazing. Thank you. I got into 40k right before the lock down and haven't gotten to play yet, but all of these videos have me feeling ready! Looking forward to seeing the Thousand Sons and Admech videos :)

[@josephburge9410]

Such a clear and well laid out video. Thank you so much for taking the time to make it!

[@thesen8]

I haven't watched the video yet, but last night I asked on your Ork video to make one regarding Custodes. I'm very happy to wake up and see this in my recommended feed. I got into Custodes in 8th as a new player and didn't see a lot of success, but so far I'm glad to hear about all of the improvements they've received.

[@alvarocastillo5327]

I loved knowing that you were the one from the custodes article.

[@alvarocastillo5327]

Although I would have liked some new unit incorporated.

[@stupidfrog2205]

Thanks for sharing that, I had no idea. I read the article earlier but didn't pick up on the author

[@IriFoxDan]

But they did imply that Brian endorsed the basic (non FW) contemptor even though he wrote nothing directly in support of it and I'm pretty sure he has been very frank about it before 😂 Love this channel

[@chemicalfencer]

Thanks guys for providing this content. I loved your 8th ed Custodes videos and I've been itching for this one to be released. Cheers

[@QenaitheCustodianGuard]

the old guides you guys did for custodes was a must watch for me as a new custodes player, i watched them many times over. Glad to see you guys are still going strong, keep up the excellent content!

[@lateknight4754]

I love this series. Great job lads.

[@Alino-]

PLEASE do the Chaos Daemons of Khorne. They're my main army, and it's REALLY difficult finding any quality videos of them on youtube. Usually if you can find them they're lumped in with the other daemons or taken as allies for marines

[@bigdripmac8685]

the lack of durability will be a hard one to cover in order to secure the objectives and stay on them. and as wrapping isn‘t a thing anymore, i hardly see any way to suceed against a heavy firepower army such as ad mech. I am a khotnr (and slaanesh) player myself and i still tryna figure out how to make it work.

[@2kib249]

ik im very late to this comment but I think commissar Gamza has some good videos on them that are also pretty funny

[@hugostephens2478]

Many thanks. These videos are absolutely first class

[@azir64]

I love how positive they are about each and every army/unit/faction. Even the factions that are doing not so well, will get praise and positive light throughout the videos.

[@Symmaccus]

I just have to comment to say that the posing on that Telemon is absolutely breathtaking. It makes me want to buy a second one just to copy that brilliance!

[@energydrink5361]

Guys, what a awesome video. As a new custodes player i love it

[@Burma1]

Love the content guys! Could you make video of most improved armies in 9th edition? Also a video of your opinion of the strongest armies going into 9th edition?

[@wesyoung9331]

Would love to see you guys do an analysis like this for Grey Knights.

[@horacethehippo2445]

I always had success with custodes in the last edition more so than any other army I dipped into. This edition makes me very happy

[@nathanieleck1023]

Hey guys, this is probably a bad idea I know, but I’ve had a thought. The knight castellan is still arguably among the most terrifying single shooting models in normal 40k, but it’s easy to take down and is really expensive per wound now. But, what if you used the new custodes shield host strategem to allow a big blob of allarus terminators to soak up the damage. You can stack all those ridiculous defensive buffs on top of that terrifying unit, no re rolls, -1 damage, a cedilla for -1 to hit, only wounding on 4+, and combined with a CP regen, you could very easily make your castellan unkillable. You would also bring some smash bike captains and some small units of bikes to clear hordes and act as charging units. I can only really see this working because your forcing your opponent to shoot at the terminators screening the castellan, while the castellan goes about destroying whatever it wants (because castellan). You can park it far enough back to keep it away from most melee threats, and even if something does get close, the terminators will handle it. It would pretty much take ALL of your CP, but it might well be worth it.

[@ryonrobynson]

I’ll explain why it’s a bad idea: 1) Units can afford to hide now for a few turns in order to line up the killing strike. 2) You’ll be burning through CP for something that can be dealt with by just targeting the Terminators. Even if you take 6 Terminators to guard, a good shooting army, can viably take that out in one or two turns, while burning all your CP on defensive buffs that might not matter much. Consider Plasma-gun spam, the standard anti-terminator plan. Strength 7 -3AP.. You’ll probably still burn a CP to ignore -2 for everything else, if he has a battle cannon or two. You’re spending 1 CP for the bodyguard strat. You’re spending 2 CP for trans human. All you’re really getting, seeing as plasma guns are more efficient against terminators anyways, (consider Tempestus Scions dropping in) is 4’s instead of 3’s are wounding now, for a whopping 4 CP a turn. You’ve already spent at least one to make the Castellan a character. You’ve spend possibly 3 including a Super Heavy Auxiliary, and possibly 3 more if you’re going to try to MSU with something like Imperial Guard, in order to fence, in which case the Terminator screen is a bit redundant given the inherent toughness of the Castellan. Don’t forget how you can shoot at best profile for one CP! Way more efficient. 3) Points: Overall you’ve already spent well over half your 1850pts, on just two units functionally acting as one, one of which isn’t getting anywhere close to its points value by just being shot at, which leads to point four: 4) Lack of board control. Armies spamming MSU will largely negate Castellan fire power, while wracking up primaries, all while you’re Terminators are just standing around. 5) Extremely vulnerable to the deep strike. If you don’t MSU, all an opponent has to do is whiddle down the terminators before Alpha Striking in turn 3, while burning all your CP, and dominating board control. You’re best bet is a single unit of 3 Guardians with Storm shields, or a single Captain in non-Terminator armor, (11-pts)with the half damage warlord trait, a storm shield, and Victor of the Blood Games, the Captain commander trait that gives him +2 wounds, and a Vexilla standing next to him, with some added fire support, in way of a Telemon. With the Eagle’s Eye, he’s got 9 wounds, a 1-3++ inv. and can still take advantage of Auramite and Adamantium. He can re-roll at least 2 of his invulnerable saves with Victor of the Blood Games, and a CP re-roll. Once he gets down to 1 or 2 wounds, he can hide behind the Telemon, or the Castellan, as long as he doesn’t die that phase, which he shouldn’t. He will be slightly vulnerable to Vindicare assassins. If you do this, let the Castellan take as much damage as possible first. MSU Sisters of Silence, and have a great time...

[@ryonrobynson]

Honestly you’re better off going with pure Knights. What you would spend on Terminators, you can add a whole combat knight, or a pack of Armigers, with which to pressure the front and functionally soak up fire for the Castellan anyways. Hoping for some great meme material though of a Knight swinging around a shield captain like a tennis racket blocking shots!

[@victordavila9812]

What about a cruzader protected with a unit of guards with storm shields and a shield captain? It would be a lot less points and resources but keeping the general idea (I m new to the game so surely I m missing something but it's still sounds like a fun way to play)

[@ryonrobynson]

Victor Davila, it’s been FAQed. It cannot be a vehicle character anymore!

[@AsianTrix]

Good job with this video. I appreciate it.

[@Kelderun]

Very Thanks for this Video. I love the Custodes. I'm really looking forward to playing with them. The point increase is hopefully not too big.

[@TwistedDice]

Awesome content guys really love what you guys do 😊 Maybe one day we could do a battle report 😊 Darren

[@Michael-ib6ky]

I might recommend 2 of the smaller dreadnoughts instead. The telemon is strong, true, but anti-knight tech will be sufficient to remove him. That same tech may struggle against 2 targets from overkill. If you do stick with the telemon, I might also recommend some custodian Guard too. Just in case a Tau gunline smokes your telemon Edit- lol nvm the local Tau guy killed both dreads anyways 😅 maybe a transport?

[@stephanpodplesky2832]

Amazing video as usual! May I make a request for a future video? Please do how to play Imperial knights in 9th.

[@midwaymonster78]

great video tanks for the help just getting into warhammer and the change to editions right now is kind of hard to figure out. just wanted to get your options on wardens and the Contemptor Dreadnoughts in 9th edition. (also do you think Caladius Grav-Tank is still going to see play with the hits to fly?)

[@darkpignouf7532]

Hi guys thank you for the video ! my 9th new army will be custodes because i love low body count elites armies ( I play Harlequins and Farsight Enclaves) 9th edition is a great time for elite themed armies ! I think i'll go with full bikes and telemon lists ( 2 Shield captain on bikes , 3x3 vertus praetors and 1 full shoot telemon for a 1500 pts list and 2 Shield captain on bikes , 2x5 and 1x3 vertus praetors and 2x telemon ( 1 full shoot 1 full close) for a 2000 pts list) So i was styuding things up you guys help so much for this . I really love the TELEMON mini , so gorgeous , so powerful and I was thinking of a combo TELEMON with 2x caestus - Dread host - [1CP] Eternal Penitent - [1CP] From Golden light they come - [1CP] golden light of the moraides = thats quite costy but that's a hell of a wrecking ball that will pop out whenever needed and will charge (3D6 with rerolls and discard the lowest) . It's a perfect TOOL OF FEAR just like an harlequin solitary , your adversary knows that he just can't avoid to take the wrecking ball in the face , and that's awesome , the kind of thing that makes him think always twice about every move every unit , until bam , it's up xD plus Vertus praetor have enough shhot to clean up T1 and /or T2 screens units before this monster appears and wrack a big shunk of the adversary army , priceless xD

[@kye4216]

love this type of content

[@cordellselman1116]

I'd love to see yall taking a look at Blood Angels. Your opinions and personal strats for the upcoming 9th.

[@jameswoodward7545]

Nice - thanks. Do you think there's any room now for the VenLR?

[@ak_sushi4808]

The Aquilon shield strat is nice for screening the vex

[@Makarislethal]

I didn't think you could you use the commander trait to farm CP that used before match because his trait says " when he's on the Field"

[@DevilsBrushGaming]

Why you make them sound and look so good now thinking I should finish my army off. Great insight

[@joequimby5520]

I need some more metallic space marine videos, can you guys do a grey knights one of these

[@hossdelgado7856]

I noticed you only talked about the Allarus terminators. How do you feel about the FW terminators? Also will the FW units be playable in 9th at launch, or will we need to wait for another round of points for them?

[@ChandraAliwarga]

Hi there, very nice tactics! May I know how to bring two shields captains on dawneagle jetbikes? I tried to make in battlescribe and it keeps saying maximum one.thanks

[@duckdictator6531]

How are the forgeworld options for Custodian terminators? I love the idea of infernus firepike termies but if they’re bad then fair enough.

[@TKP1986]

Wouldn't flooding the board with Unleashed Lions Alarus dovetail into the MSU/mission oriented playstyle the new missions and edition seem to favor?

[@Sublimarcher]

I have a question. I see some changes to 8th edition stratagems, so I assume that we are meant to use only 9th edition strats. But, then I hear TT talking about using 8th edition strats like Victor of the Blood Games ( 18:29 ). So, I'm just a little confused on if we are using 9th edition strats or 8th, or both.

[@striderfox71]

Pretty late to the video, but I wanted know from others here about a 500pt build I'm thinking of that revolves around the idea of a "Moving Castle" 🏰 strat with the captian general character paried with 2 squads of 3 sagittarum making up a close to 500pt patrol list. And Emissaries Emperatas as the shield host that gives 3" inches to my warlords already 6" aura of rerolling 1s to hit. Making a destructive gun line that only misses on 2s or bad rerolls of 1s. And paired along with the sagittarium is the captian general that can cleave whole units and then bounce to the next enemy target after the first enemy line is blown apart in the shooting phase.

[@davidclayton3476]

Thoughts on 2 shield captains on bikes and 3 units of bikes :D?

[@Dancan799]

Not watched your vids for a while. This was very enjoyable and reassuring about the next edition, I wasn’t sure about it. Also good the see the guy on the left loosen up a bit as the video went on

[@omrigilkis5016]

I thought Allarus are deadly. Started collecting the golden boys but still only 3 squads so far (so 100000 points) I see no mention of the wardens, my absolute fav unit of em(so I'm assuming they are a bit less tactful), but I guess since you mentioned tanking up the Vexila I'd use em to buff him. do you think I could manage with only a tank and loads of infantry? or I have to get my hands on a dread\another hover tank

[@howarddale4180]

Thanks for a really great video guys, lots to think about. One thing I wasn't sure about, why do you take your Allarus in squads of six rather than five? I'd have naturally gone with five because I very often want to use Superior Fire Patterns on the turn they drop.

[@howarddale4180]

Sorry, Blood Game Veterans! But it might be that my friends just play too many vehicles

[@stephenmcarthur989]

Drinking game: take a shot every time these guys say "that's right. absolutely." you'll die in 5 minutes

[@TheCrimsonSpork]

Don’t fear the reaper *takes a shot*

[@desmondflorence3787]

That’s right

[@profparm]

I just started Custodes before the world shut down (with 9 bikes and 9 troop models, wish I would've bought less troops now for patrols), but I am curious about your take on the codex vehicles. I'm not a forgeworld fan, so if I take vehicles, it will be the codex land raider or dreadnought, especially the land raider because I own some unpainted ones from around 10 years ago. I know the land raider for marines stayed the same price while everything else is going up. Have you guys played around with the codex vehicles in 9th, and are they at all worth it? Especially curious about the land raiders, but I've heard in the past you guys say to skip the codex dreads and go for forgeworld, was wondering if codex ones are at all viable. Thanks for the great content!

[@ThePanguinator]

I got a question: I'm a new player and I love the FW Venatari models, but I'm hesitant to pick them over the Terminator-Vexilus combo or the Vertus Praetor bikes. Are the Venatari still worth a consideration or are they a waste of points compared to the strong alternatives?

[@stempiendaniel]

How many point is this list you are talking about at the end of the clip?

[@codeofzero1]

So my gun boys are good I’m happy with that because they are my 2nd favourite unit and I always take 4 or 5

[@heatxsoul841]

Can u tell me what unit that big one with the big red shoulders is? cant find it anywhere in shops

[@gregorm.5350]

Great vid. Will all those units who had Power of the Machine Spirit get some kind of replacement for that?

[@rogaldorn252]

GW mentioned POTMS will get updated/changed in the near future

[@austintanner8642]

I was shocked when I read in the Field Manual (new points thing) that melta spears are now 0 points. So...Custodian guard with free wargear seems pretty sweet! Not a fan of the points increases on the jetbikes but you get decreases on termies as well, so I guess they balance out.

[@gaius9240]

Can’t wait for guard :)

[@kaleth6873]

Please do a drukhari one! Fav channel on youtube!

[@MNMasterProductions]

Any tips for how to start collecting custodes?

[@termineye111]

Please make an analysis of the sisters of silence. I would like to see them in action because there are no reports with them(.

[@remembertime1018]

They so underrated bro :(

[@drewlytle2281]

I will say I'm fairly new to WH40K and I'm still learning everything. With that said, I've heard when ti comes to Custodes they often where a great army to have Sisters of Silence allied with due to little to no Psychers and the Sisters kind of balancing them out. If I'm incorrect, again I'm new to this. But if the Sisters did help out in this, how does the 9th edition effect that potential relationship?

[@StephenHenryIV]

So will a scout still get more attacks than a Custodian? Are we getting Bolter Discipline? Are we getting cheaper (relative to 9th Ed points)? Are unit datasheets improving? If no I don’t think Custodes will be improving much. CP is great, but units are still expensive, not fast, not durable, not great at causing damage.

[@andrewdowns9047]

D3 damage will be the death of us

[@Zach0451]

I don't want custodes to get cheaper, I just want them to get stronger.

[@grubbie8614]

@@andrewdowns9047 We really need flat 2 damage over the D3.

[@rogaldorn252]

We probably will have to wait for the new codex to (hopefully) win any tournaments

[@thechaoshobbit1105]

Can I get the load out for those 2 bike captains written down please? I’ve watched it a few times now and I can’t seem to get it right. Sorry.

[@Sako1181]

I imagine that I’m not alone in saying that I’d love an update version of this for 9th edition endgame.

[@hamishwason2927]

I would say that two bike captains are overkill. One is mandatory but your second one can be anything from Trajan to a stormshield cap

[@andrewjennings236]

question for you guys. How are you choosing a warlord trait for each matchup? According to the new matchplay rules, all pre-game buffs (including stratagems) must be chosen before you come to the table. Personally I think this is a horrible change, but it’s how the rules work now.

[@christopherdaveysiddle5028]

Is it worth putting any wardens in my list I'm new to the game and i like the look of them and want to use them but not if there rly bad

[@HammerheadWOC]

Any chance GW has mentioned to you if they will be changing the halving damage strat for the telemon to be the same as marines? I really don't think we deserve the same nerf and am hoping it's here to stay.

[@Boondire]

Please make one for another elite army, Grey knights!!

[@filwilliamson9149]

Are the Sisters of Silence good with Custodes right now? I know that they take up Elite slots which are normally used for Terminators and Vexillas, but I was thinking that you could field them in a pure Sisters of Silence Vanguard Detachment since they don't need an HQ when organized that way. I'm mainly asking because I love the Sisters of Silence + Adeptus Custodes lore, and I would love to include them in my army.

[@jpf338]

I don't get the idea at 9:21 why less line of sight would make shooting armys more prevalent?

[@Mortechai]

Where can you go to see the lists you talked about? You only showed the one set of models and mentioned that we should go see the lists.

[@Colton_T]

I personally go with indomitable constitution because that just makes your jetbike captain 9 wounds in addition to the auric aquilas, superior creation, and victor of the blood games.

[@sleasymonster2105]

What boxes should I buy for a strong 1000 points list?

[@robertdickinson6799]

I'm new to 40k tabletop and got my first army as custodes! I know they have a new codex since this video came out. Do people think this video is still useful for learning how to play custodes under their new codex?

[@PatrickCharliePrice]

I LOVE THE CUSTARDS SO MUCH

[@aussiereece3590]

What do you mean when you say the telemon takes half damage at 24:35

[@joshuagannon6566]

Question: With the change to how Storm Shields work (4+Invul save, +1 to normal save roll), are they even worth taking in Custodes who naturally have a 4+ invul and a 2+ save?

[@TheAngryTrapezoid]

Much like the ones on existing marine units, they at least won't change until Custodes get a new codex

[@pinhead61187]

so im new to this channel. someone wanna tell me why the CW superman is doing a 40k tactics video?

[@strawhatluffy27]

Custodes will be very tough to deal with. Good thing you can attack units that HI now. Otherwise it would have been a nightmare

[@urparentsdivorcepapers]

Is a Necrons version of this coming?

[@julioduck19]

Are you allowed to use the Victor of the Blood Games strategem on two different models? I had thought it was maximum one because it is done in the deployment phase and you can't cast two of the same strategems in one phase?

[@damegaKing]

waskerz rote: "Pregame strats can be used as many times as you want. But some strats do lock themselves to a single use such as Hero of the Chapter for giving another WL Trait to a non-warlord character. Other strats can be used only once per phase. This would be clarified somewhere in the new rulebook. Just dont know which page "

[@georgestauber2636]

I actually had quite a bit of luck just making a list with as many custodes troops as possible backed by a unit of terminators and a vexillia and a pair of captains.

[@parafoxl7619]

They keep talking about the Vexilius teleporting in and stuff. But they're just mainly a buff unit no? What does deep striking in alone with them do?

[@LeekDavis613]

They mention allarus terminaters being great, but what about aquilons?

[@ericpaz4171]

Are you guys getting the new codex early? Can you update asap please?!?! Keep up the good work

[@TheArcass]

Great video, thanks

[@SymSne]

Yes, yes, YES

[@warbossbenny6877]

Can someone please help me. How many points is 1 custodian guard with a sword and board? Trying to make an army but I'm seeing so many different point values

[@islyfe]

Are the venatari a competitive choice in 9th Ed?

[@mobilegamersunite]

Waiting on my detachment in the mail now 🤣 I just dig the models honestly....and it's nice to paint 1000 pts...in 5 models 😂

[@tylercrissman847]

I do have one question. I own a unit of 6 of both Aquilon and Allarus terminators. What, in your opinions, makes the Allarus the key unit over the Aquilons as I've personally had more success with the Aquilons.

[@SymSne]

Slayers of Tyrant + Castellan Axe's 2 damage ranged profile would be my guess.

[@hansyolo8277]

They have more strats that work with them, and are cheaper.

[@golfcartumbler]

Does anyone have any good 2000 point lists based on this video. New player here. Love the army. Sounds like I need 2-3 dreadnought

[@Jon-lc7gb]

I’m really struggling to decide on a new army for 9th, its either the new indomitus box and going salamanders or going custodes or grey knights

[@ghostwood9174]

Let the “Rule of Cool” prevail - study up on the lore, army playstyle, and models. What army speaks to you?

[@NIMMHATVRapBeats]

@@ghostwood9174 then you end up having Black Templars, Orks, Necrons, Eldar, Drukhari, Ynnari, Tyranids, Space Wolves, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Thousand Sons, Grey Knights, Deathwatch, World Eaters, and the list goes on.. hahaha

[@nrais76]

I kicked butt with Custodes last edition, before Psychic Awakening. Usually the trick was play the mission. They're durable and close-range killy. Now that I actually have CP, its a whole new game...

[@dannykrinke416]

anyone got a link to one of the exact army lists?

[@kaedeyutani9197]

I have a technical question regarding the "Guardian Eternal" rule that the dreadnoughts have -- "Each time an attack is allocated to this model, subtract 1 from the damage characteristic of that attack (to a mininum of 1)." My question is regarding the "attack" --> is it only melee "attacks"? or does it include shooting as well? I hope someone can clear this up for me :-) Thanks in advance!! edit: to clarify, my google-fu was weak and I only found people talking about half damage vs -1 damage and stuff like that, not what "attack" actually meant. But I did try to look up clarification on the web before coming here to pester you with a potentially silly question :-)

[@imawhywolf4191]

I have a Custodes Army and I was thinking to get a Forge World unit for them. Which one would you guys recommend?

[@thomasvoit4362]

The Calladius is pretty cool, just like the Pallas. The Dreads are also recommended since they got the charge strat in war of spider.

[@vincentpo]

Hello, you guys talk about Allarus Terminators, how about Aquilons?

[@vincentpo]

Here's what I was working toward to, which is a lot like what you suggest (torn between Dread Host and Solar Watch, sadly you didn't talk about Dread Hosts): - 2 SC on bike - 3 Custodian Guards or Sagittarum Guards (add more depending on points left) - 5 Aquilon Terminators - Vexilla - Telemon (shoot + fist) - 5 V. Praetors - Calidus Assassin

[@TheMaaksel]

Was that a final list at the end you've played with? Or just models to associate to a list. I've come up with: 2 Captain on bikes (as suggested in video) 6x Allarus Vexillus Magnifica 4 Bikes 2x Telemon (both shoot variants, but points ar the same to swap to 1 fist) The idea being 1 can screen as suggested, and the other can sit on backfield objective and still contribute, while the rest of the army advances. 1749 (without misericordias)

[@stephenmacgregor7444]

This doesn't fit into any detachment, you'll need at least 1 guard squad to make a patrol.

[@Praxis-2]

stephen Macgregor vanguard detachment means you don’t need troops just elites

[@SymSne]

@@Praxis-2 Bikes are fast attack though. Telemons are heavy support. Still impossible.

[@stephenmacgregor7444]

@@Praxis-2 He didn't mention 2 units of 3 Allarus but it is possible that's what he meant

[@TheMaaksel]

@@stephenmacgregor7444 We still have no idea on points, I could include a single sisters squad to have 3 elites, or a guard squad.

[@PharosofLight]

Wait... how do you use Victor of the Blood games twice? I was always told even pre-game stratagems are just once.

[@DaWasklyWabbit]

Pregame strats can be used as many times as you want. But some strats do lock themselves to a single use such as Hero of the Chapter for giving another WL Trait to a non-warlord character. Other strats can be used only once per phase. This would be clarified somewhere in the new rulebook. Just dont know which page