HOW TO PLAY DAEMONS IN PARIAH NEXUS WARHAMMER 40000

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[@TheBlightspawn]

Something about green and red that just works..

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

For both looks wise and game wise! Very crispy 😉

[@brettmartin6727]

Thanks Jack, great quick overview of where to go with the new points and ability. Poor Be'Lakor.

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

No worries at all! ☺️ Glad you liked it! Thanks Brett!

[@JamesEarlCash]

Love the video Jack! Awesome thank you to all the members mate! Keep up the good work!

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Thank you so much James! Means a lot that so many of you come together behind such a small creator such as myself! I will keep on keeping on as long as this hobby does! 😁

[@WarhammerDad1]

This might be the best format of a 40K video ive ever seen. Your voice is perfect for explanation. You keep things straightforward and obviously scripted out the information beforehand. You wouldn't believe the muck we have to wade through to find good strategic 40k content on here.... I am forever a fan now!!!!

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Wow that is one of the best comments I've ever got! Thank you so much! I am not sure if I should tell you now though, but I had a vague idea of what I wanted for this video, none of it is scripted, just all off the top of my head in one take and cut up afterwards. I used 95% of what I said in the very first take, because scripting just takes so damn long, let alone editing! But I really appreciate it! That is awesome! 😅🥰

[@jabbasleftnut1530]

Great video, as a new daemon player just starting out on a crusade, your videos are much needed in my life. Keep up the amazing work.

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Thanks Jabba's left nut! That means a lot coming from you! 😅

[@CursedCowboy]

great work jack, I was definitely thinking about running daemons and wolves again now that they made these changes

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Cheers! They've definitely had some massive improvements! Though I did just get destroyed by Rory's CSM! Lethal hits and +1 to wound are still so brutal for daemons.

[@rickybrown652]

Amazing video. Thank you for all the insights and list template amid this new season. You da man!

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Wow thank so much! What a lovely comment! More to come I'm sure! 😁

[@tylerjensen8383]

Great video, bud! Loving the changes - sad about how many fixed points we give up, but my games so far have been a lot of fun.

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Some ups and some downs. Really annoying about the bring it down points because GUO's and Skarbrand are exactly 20 wounds. I am thinking that Soul Grinders are quite good now too because they escape the Bring it Down tax and also as an added bonus came down 10 points... Who knows! But I only own 1 at the moment so that question will have to wait ha!

[@rickbyrne3967]

Love this vid! You have helped me finalize some decisions

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Thank you so much! Glad I could help! 😁

[@ddanx]

Great video, subscribed!

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Great comment. Liked!

[@Moogypies]

Really appreciate all your content. Mainly an AoS player, but learning 40k daemons to play in a Gt my mates running watching your stuff has been very informative and easy for someone that doesn't know the game too well.

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Well best of luck to you! Hopefully it all goes really well! Daemons are great fun no matter the game system you play them in! 😁

[@Moogypies]

Got the fixtures and my first game of 40k in years in a tournament is against....chaos daemons 😅 playing a list very similar to yours into a shalaxi and lots of screening fiends. Nervous!

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Ooooh! Best of luck! You got this 😁

[@user-bp8dj7se1z]

Thanks Jack. Awesome video with lots of useful information 👏

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

You're very welcome! Thanks for the great comment! ☺️

[@PirateJamm]

Honestly looking at your army at the start has made me want to start playing Daemons! They look incredible on the table top! The green and red!

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Hell yea you absolutely should! Just take a look at our tzeentch daemons! 😁

[@T-Mo]

Very entertaining! I played into Drukhari (with your core + 3 Nurglings and 5 Seekers) ... we ended in a draw, but my biggest problem were the transports ... i couldn't kill them in shooting, so the passengers escaped certain death, and because they ARE battleshocked but DON'T FAIL the battleshock test, they don't get mortals. I think I'll try the tzeentchian approach with two sets of screamers ... I like the mobility so that you don't HAVE to up and down them in order to bring them across the field.

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

I agree! I just played a game against CSM and the transports where a killer! But outside taking a LoC who is just so overpriced and yet another target for bring it down... Killing transports is really damn hard! Just need to get better at surrounding them in a way with multiple charging units so you can pile into what gets out and kill the contents as well! I also agree with screamers. I tried flamers but screamers seem like the better choice.

[@TheFriendlyEnglishman]

Great video!

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Thank you my friend! 😊

[@disciplesofbelakor4eva]

Be'lakor my beloved 😭

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

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[@deathwishdn]

Your editing is really slick

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Thank you! That really means a lot! 😁

[@TheBlightspawn]

Love Skarbrand’s basing btw 🤘

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Epic! Thank you! Its very metal! 😈

[@lachlore]

Great breakdown mate. The time of the daemon is nigh. Not exactly the same, but I'll be running a similar list though swapping Khorne for Slaanesh, loving the feel of the army in general right now

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Oooh let me know how you go! I've been trying to come up with something good for slaanesh for a long time with no luck! Fingers crossed for you 😁

[@MrSmitejr]

If you want a 75 point scoring unit, I think Blue Scribes is the first option before any others are considered. Extremely fast lone operative is hugely versatile and very effective in making sure points get held. Mounted is the only thing that holds him back at all.

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

That and being a character for even more assassinate points annoyingly 😢

[@MrSmitejr]

@@BarnyardWargamingOfficial while true, the list sorta gives max assassinate no matter how you cut it. Going after a cheap lone op often feels like a trap decision

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

That's what I thought but anything to cut it down is good!

[@stevenglass6467]

Another great video man, thanks for the content! Just back into Warhammer after 20 years out and into daemons for the first time and amazingly this is incredibly close to the army i've been building. Not sure about plague drones though, is providing re rolls to wound on one selected target for nurgle that good? Or is the utility of them being somewhat tanky and maenuverable too that makes them great?

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

You are very welcome! 🤗 Welcome back to the hobby! I love the drones. They have great utility, good speed for actions and they can often tank a hit from a few smaller things so you can fly one of them around. Although lately mine keep getting one shot! 😅

[@stevenglass6467]

@@BarnyardWargamingOfficial haha you've just gotta roll better 😜 gotcha, cheers, appreciate it bud!

[@bigjimmorris]

Love the daemons!

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Love the comments!

[@chemonized]

fk Yeah Jack keep them coming!

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Pumping them out! Let's go! 😁

[@eo8240]

Man it makes me really re-consider playing my daemons army in something other than crusade it sounds like a lot of fun! Your channel helped me get the hang of Daemon's really quickly and they've been a blast in crusade. Do you think they could make changes in a future update so it's something like "Greater daemons act as a shadow of chaos for other units but are not considered to be in the shadow of chaos?" I dunno how to word it but it seems heckin powerful and i worry about a knee jerk reaction.

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Well we shall see just how powerful it really is! I've played some test games so far and they didn't actually seem that powerful so more testing is needed! Thank you for the wonderful comment though! Very inspiring for me to hear! 😁

[@clementhurlin]

Great stuff ❤ Loved the jokes 😂

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Ha! Cheers my friend! 😄 #Belakor@250points!

[@humanvariant2678]

Been working on painting up my deamons since the start of 10th. Played necrons throughout leviathan. Have played 2 practice games with deamons in pariah and am having a blast. Super fun army.

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

They're so rewarding to play right!? Lovely army! Sadly very feels bad if you fail a super important charge! 😅

[@humanvariant2678]

@BarnyardWargamingOfficial I failed a 5in. With rerolls let my opponent do sabbatoge in a deployment zone terrain feature for 6 points. Still landed a one point difference win. Fun as hell

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

I literally made that 5" charge joke, because I failed two of them in one game the other day and got absolutely destroyed because of it! 😅

[@humanvariant2678]

@@BarnyardWargamingOfficial live and die by the 2d6

[@bryandeconinck2123]

I discovered your KZbin channel completely by chance but what a pleasure! I am a demon player long before the first codex (with the sacrifices of space marine of chaos to know how to summon a demon) are you coming to the wtc in Belgium? I would really like to chat with you.

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Wow you have been around the block a couple times! 😜 (Been playing daemons a long time)... I absolutely wish I was but I am Australian! So it would be quite a long and expensive trip for me to make it all the way over to Europe! Though one day in the near future I will make the voyage and visit the other big channels over there. I have already visited PlayOn and Mini wargaming at the beginning of this year! 😁

[@danielkame9955]

Nice camerawork Jack.

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Cheers! 😁

[@blacksun8851]

Hi Great Video thx for ur daemon work. I find skulltaker good but the bloodmaster is a little bit better in mine opinion. While the unit became +1 to wound and the 6" consolidate, with S6 we can most wounds on 2+/3+ or vehicles on 4+,

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

That's very fair! I love skulltaker for the precision and cp Regen! I've had him one shot 6 thunder wolf cavalry before! The dev wounds are just so crispy... My big Bois can one shot the tanks and such 😁

[@Johnny5Alive7]

Karnivores seem solid, battleline so can score & benefit from the mission rules and good early trading pieces. They also don't give away too much in BID & hit quite hard.

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

They're really not bad at all! I know a lot of people swear by them and have great luck with them. Sadly I don't have any chaos knights so I can't jump into that just yet myself, and I've tested those lists before and I think I prefer just raw daemons 😁

[@istvanmaraczi2857]

Thanks.

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Anytime.

[@Onikudaki-wc7zl]

i’m new to deamons but really looking forward to getting them on the table after this great video! Can’t figure out how the warp locus bit works now though is it still a keyword thing or am i missing something really obvious (probably am 😂).

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

They had to make it super complicated of course! But the gist is that the greater daemons also now provide shadow of chaos for their own kind, and the debuff of -1 LD and mortals to all enemies 😁 Easiest way to think about it really. So Nurgle affects Nurgle, Khorne affects Khorne etc.

[@coganwestlake7316]

Are you running fixed or tactical? Nice video btw just started playing 40k gone for Khorne to start my Daemons

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

I think there is room for both in this style of list. If you end up versing a horde, I'm more likely to take fixed because you can kill enough small enemies to give yourself cp with Epidemius! But if it looks a little challenging I tend to play tactical. Depends on the match up! 😁

[@silkydarkling9433]

Whats your opinion on tzeentch soul grinders? I know they copped a small nerf with the change to tank shock, but I reckon they're still viable

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Honestly I think they're really good! That being said I always end up dropping them for something else? Hmmm...

[@chrisbeau76]

Deathwing Knights gained a good buff. Thier Maces are now back to AP -2 and they gained Anti-Vehicle 4+ and Anti-Moster4+ and thier Knight Masters flail also gains the same ability in addition to his sustained hits and Dev Wounds. Now that Dev Wounds now count as Mortal Wounds again, they can take a Terminator Chaplain who grants the unit a 4+ Feel no Pain vs Mortal Wounds and Psychic damage and he grants the unit +1 to wound but....GW also biffed DW Knights Power Swords so that they are also AP -2 and now have damage 2 with an additional attackcompared to the mace. Terminator Captains suddenly dont look too bad for a slow melee unit like DW Knights and he grants them a charg reroll. Inner CIrcle Companions received similar buffs with Direct abd sweeping attacks n thier two handed words going to AP -2. Direct stillis 4 attacks with lethal hits with a plus 1 to hit against units with a character and units with characters suffer a -1 to hit them. Thier sweeping profile also gained AP -2 and they buffed thier the sweeping profile so it has 5 attacks and still has sustained hits. They did not increase in points which make taking more tha 1 unit of 6 an interesting choice. Lastly they changed the Inner Circle detachment special rule calle Vowed Objectives which used to allow them to pick 1 objective that turn and any of your DW infantry will gain +1 to wound any enemies on that objective. Now it has sbeen split into two options. You can choose to push forward and all objectives that are not currently under your controlbecome Vowed or you you chose the objective you are currently on and gain +1 to wound to defend it. They still have access to Oath of Moment for the reroll hits on a unit your chose in the Command phase plus the Lion indirectly gained a good buff when Dev Wounds became Mortal wounds again that dont spell. he enow has a decent chance to block them.. I beginning to think the Unforgiven Task Fore looks interesting. You have an inctive to tto take more Battleline units. and one of them will gain a +1 OC for that battle round and you can take multiple Ancients with a banner (the detachment also has an enhancement which gives 1 ancient a 6+ Feel no Pain on a 6+ or a 4+ if the unit is battle shocked) in addition to granting the unit +1 OC with the potential of giving each model an OC value of 3.

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Holllllleyyyy. I clicked on read more, not read everything! Wall of text alert! But thanks for the heads up on all of those changes! Really helps out with our resident Dangels player Luke! 😁

[@christymaguidhir4686]

Quick Related Question: I also run a Chaos Knights Army. Given the new Nurgling Nerf, what Daemon Allies do you think would be an adequate replacement/addition for helping to score secondaries? Again, thanks for the great content. Hope you break an 80% win-rate over the coming months!

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Oooh that would be so awesome! But I need a lot more games and no loses for that to happen I'm sure! 😁 Great question... Honestly I think beasts are good but you have to take them with nurglings of course :/ so at that point just take plaguebearers instead. Blue horrors infiltrate and they cause -1 LD nearby as well to stack with chaos knights debuffs. So I would go with them!

[@christymaguidhir4686]

What is your expert opinion on running Flesh Hounds for secondaries in Pariah Nexus? They're super fast and can go through walls, so you can start 'em on the board. Also, unlike say Flamers, they'd get to take advantage of the new Shadow of Chaos Aura for Skarbrand and the Bloodthirster should you choose to move them around the board with some Realm of Chaos Deep Strike shenanigans. Plus, they'd benefit from The Rendmaster's buff if you wanted to throw them into combat. Given this, I'd be super interested to learn why they don't make your list. I'd also love to know what you think about ol' Horticulous Slimux's viability now with the new Greater Daemon Shadow Auras. Thanks so much for the consistently great content.

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Thanks for the super nice comment! Okay so for the snail boi, sadly for 120 points he doesn't give any great buffs anymore with shadow becoming even more prevalent... So I think he is a little overcosted for what he does. As for flesh hounds. Often you don't care if your scoring units are within shadow for buffs or killing something etc. just not a super important trait I guess. So when you compare them side by side with something like screamers. The screamers are 6,-2,2 in melee. Albeit hitting on 4's but still great! They have mortals flying over things, a 4+ invuln and 3 wounds a pop which is harder to kill than 2 wounds because 2 DMG is a lot more common, plus they move 14! So why ever take hounds when screamers are 5 points more?

[@527JonCody]

What are your thoughts with Lord of Change w/ Everstave with the new rules change?

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Honestly, still too expensive 😞 Just a lot of points for something quite easily killed with not a lot of output. And the LoC cannot help other melee units get into combat unlike the other gods.

[@BiggestDefilerFan]

Quick question can you really chain these teleports? So skarbrand to the bloodthirster makes sense but bloodletters to skarbrand? Doesn't that happen all in the same time? Can you use skarbrand as an anchor for the teleport if he and bloodletters appear at the same time?

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Of course! Every move is done one at a time like a normal move would right? Place Skarbrand first and then something else after. Same as you could do with a 3" deep strike from Belakor and then landing within his own shadow

[@rainerbrandstatter9073]

On the note of either winning or losing big: First match against WE, turn two 3 critical charges (6 inch each). First one double one. Reroll to double one. Second was a total of 3. Third a total of 5. Damn, some days i hate my dice :D :D Especially when the opponent rolls all the 9 inch + charges ....

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Mmmmm I wonder how that game went! 😅

[@nicolasmatthysen7267]

The GUO base is 160mm so can't be wholly within 6" for the close deep strike.

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

They're on 130 mm bases 😁

[@nicolasmatthysen7267]

@@BarnyardWargamingOfficial oh crap it is, sorry I got confused with glottkin from AOS. Awesome deep strike time

[@Dje1025]

I played a game yesterday. Failed 2 of my 3 5" charges (letters and crushers) and didn't have CPs to reroll. Lost me the game

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Daemons baby. The king of swing! I always save myself a cp for it! Always! Because I know that I will fail my blood letter 5" charge almost every game.

[@bensdn3969]

Hello Jack, thanks for this video. What about Flesh hounds instead of flamers ?

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

If that's what tickles your fancy then absolutely go for it! I don't think that they are as good as screamers if you're looking for some speed... But they can absolutely work!

[@bensdn3969]

@@BarnyardWargamingOfficial thank you. It's just because I have them... but I love the screamers and was looking for an excuse to buy some... 😁

[@warensamble4086]

I tried ur list against imperial knights... failed 6" charge with bloodthirster with re-roll, two times 4 and one with skarbraand, also 4! Game done at 2nd round

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

I have done the exact same thing many times on stream. There's even a short about it! So I wouldn't worry, you just got super unlucky.

[@jakeandeezasbcglobal]

I run a similar list but no skull canon, instead I take an additional unit of plague bearers , 2 screamers and a beast of nurgle for the back feild. I do have a question though? I was told the deepstrike units come in at the same time so placing a second unit like bloodletters closer than 9 isn’t eligible just like how I can’t deepstrike a unit skarbrand within 6 of something and say he has shadow, can you explain how you were able to get both the skarbrand and bloodletters down at the same time?

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Whoever has told you that is wrong. Units don't deep strike at the same time. They are placed one at a time, otherwise an enemy would overwatch all deepstriking units at once no? They're placed one at a time, and the only thing the new buffs state is that the greater daemons give shadow for deep strike within 6". If they didn't activate instantly then it would say 'at the end of the phase it becomes shadow'. But it only says within 6", so of course you can deep strike string greater daemons of the same god. 😁

[@mu551988]

What's your thoughts on fleshounds ? Or are flamers just better :D

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

I think hounds could be a really good choice! But they are similar to the seekers in the sense that they are t4 with a 5+ save and 2 wounds. That profile is just everywhere so killing them on overwatch and such isnt hard at all... and the seekers are even faster AND get a scout move. why not just take screamers for example? So yea I think screamers or flamers are better right now 😁

[@Bajel_Barbossa]

¡Hola, Jack! Gracias por la explicación acerca del cambio de reglas de los Demonios, coincido contigo, se ven muy fuertes, y espero podes hacer esa línea de destrucción que muestras en el ejemplo 🔥 Tenía dudas con respecto a los Flamers, me gustan mucho, pero con el cambio de destrabarse y hacer acciones no sabía si seguían siendo viables, seguiré tu consejo y les daré la oportunidad nuevamente. Una duda: Imagino que tienes pensado usar a los Portadores de Plaga para las misiones que mejoran a la linea de batalla ¿Será suficiente una unidad? Porque los Desangradores los veo para hacer daño, no misiones, y muchas nuevas misiones tienen bonos para la Línea de Batalla. Gracias como siempre a ambos por este excelente trabajo, hoy jugaré contra Tiranidos con dos Emisarios Norn... vamos a probar el nuevo chapter con los más duros, pero sin miedo, ¡ESTE ES EL CAMINO DEL CAOS!

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

¡Perdón que haya tardado tanto en responderte! Responder en español es una actividad divertida, pero me cuesta más de tiempo formular una respuesta. Después de muchas pruebas, ¡ya no estoy tan convencido ni siquiera con mi propio vídeo! Los nuevos beneficios son muy buenos, pero no estoy convencido de que sean suficientes para llevar a los demonios a las top mesas de un torneo. Es necesario reducir el precio de algunos de los demonios más importantes, y con Bring it Down y Assassinate como secundarios muy fáciles, plantea un desafío difícil para la creación de listas. Pienso que 3 demonios mayores es lo máximo que puedes incluir en un ejército. Las unidades que dan puntos son muy importantes, y ahora estoy probando ejecutar algunas unidades de línea de batalla, como sugeriste, ¡solo para realizar acciones y proteger el tablero! Espero que hayas tenido buena suerte con tus juegos! y gracias por ver mis videos! - Editado por Adela.

[@Bajel_Barbossa]

@@BarnyardWargamingOfficial Gracias por el esfuerzo de hacer la respuesta en español, Adela y Jack! Tienes razón Jack, esa combinación de misiones es muy abusiva para la lista de Grandes Demonios, y es una lastima, es genial tener muchos en la mesa. Imagino que quieres conservar las Grandes Inmundicias y tu parte de Nurgle, que aguanta en la mesa muy bien. Yo estoy mirando si incluir a Syll'Esske con Diablillas, una unidad rápida, que pega duro y con la posibilidad de revivir al personaje... No sé, son muchas opciones, mis Mil Hijos tienen muy pocas unidades, y los Demonios demasiadas, me vuelvo loco haciendo listas 😂 Seguiré viendo el canal para saber qué decides con respecto a la lista. ¡Hasta pronto! Pdta: Gané la partida contra Tiranidos, ignorando los dos puntos donde estaban los Emisarios Norn y tomando el resto, con una teletransportación a su retaguardia en el momento oportuno, y eso gracias a tus consejos 😁

[@danielmaguire3010]

what would you recoment for somone who wants to run mono khorne?

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

At this point in time. I think two rendmaster, skulltaker and Skarbrand are essential. From there the rest is your choice but I would probably go 3x5 hounds, one cannon, one big brick of crushers and maybe a thirster and see what else you can fit in! 😁

[@baciu14]

They really need to buff Be'lakor's damage on his shooting. having 6 attacks on hazardous and only doing 1 damage is ridiculous.

[@BigMan-cp4pi]

he has 12 attacks for hazardous shooting. unless you were talking about averages

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Yep! 12... But really it should be a fair bit better than that. Maybe anti infantry/monster/tank/mounted/character 2+. So it's always straight devs.

[@baciu14]

@@BigMan-cp4pi You are right, got it mixed up with melle. Either way using hazardous profile for 3 more attacks and 1 more ap its not really worth it for 1 damage. it should be either 3 or D3 dmg for that profile.

[@BigMan-cp4pi]

@@baciu14 true, he sucks. needed to go to 300 to even warrant a consideration

[@noxthemc7717]

Any advice on those of us who play more Tzeentch/Khorne/Slaanesh?

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Well at the moment I am using Khorne and tzeentch in my list. So you're just replacing the Nurgle side? Easy! A keeper and probably some daemonettes for backfield string. Maybe with the infernal for some range DMG and healing?

[@drunkenboxer123456]

Sin to win

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

All day every day.

[@LikeTheSearchEngine]

What about lone ops? Also, wtb nurgle themed lone op - something about a cloud of obscuring flies?

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

A Nurgle themed one would be incredible! But at the moment it's only the masque who only works with a lot of slaanesh units and they are all terrible right now, scribes who don't synergise very well, too expensive and the changeling who for 90 points often just dies without doing anything... For that price I can almost have 9 nurglings in a unit.

[@LikeTheSearchEngine]

@@BarnyardWargamingOfficial Will changeling or scribes still die so easily with the Ksons and grey knights nerfs? Also, 9 nurglings gives up cull the horde points, but 6 does not if it matters.

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Ha! Didn't even think about cull the horde! That's very funny and actually in a way even better. Forces the enemy to come and kill them instead of getting a free redraw. I think the changeling will still go down easily... But who knows. With Kairos in my latest list, he might be a better choice instead of a skull cannon for causing battleshocks!

[@WarhammerDad1]

Im sorry to keep asking questions.... but a GOOD strategy video sometimes brings up thoughts LOL.... Why Rotigus over another GUO? I know the addition to offensive capabilities... but wouldnt another ++4 +++6 always in the warp big boy be better for holding a second objective? Sorry to ask!

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Ask as many questions as you like! 😁 Just more retention for me anyway! I definitely do not take enough Nurgle units to have another aura of fnp elsewhere. So despite this fact, Rotigus is not only a lot better in shooting and melee, but he buffs the army a lot! He also can half movement and most importantly others OC value! Plus he is usually near the GUO anyway and so he had the same statline as another GUO with the 6+++ fnp with an extra 2 wounds as well!

[@WarhammerDad1]

@@BarnyardWargamingOfficial OK… see I just needed it written out by someone else to see it clearly 😅. TYSM Bro!!!

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

No worries at all my friend! Anytime! 😊 You guys are the reason I do this!

[@Baconlazer]

Would a full unit of 6 Bloodcrushers give scoring points to your opponent for the Cull The Horde? ( 24 Wounds total ). They were a big part of the meta dyring the Leviathan and now it's gonna be interesting to see them this update. Still think they can come in with a Bloodthirster and go bully units nearby.

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

I think Khorne is looking really strong right now just for sheer damage! Crushers are looking like a great option! But my biggest concern is that they now pivot because of their oval bases and it makes a big chunky hard to move unit even harder to move! So I prefer running a little blob of blood letters that are slower but cheaper and have more damage with all the buffs. And just as a side note the crushers do NOT give up cull. It's 20 models or a unit with 25 wounds or more excluding characters 😁

[@FloJoFloJo]

I think Changeling, Nurglings plus Khorne Enhancement on the Bloodthirster might be nice for the "free" 150 points. What do you think?

[@tildn]

this is the way

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

With the changes to tank shock, and grenades being a little bit harder to achieve... And also the fact that people will be -1 to their tests a lot more often the changeling might not be such a bad idea! He is yet another character for assassinate though which is very annoying 😕 Definitely worth testing out for sure!

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

I agree Mandalorian!

[@FloJoFloJo]

@@BarnyardWargamingOfficial I think having a Lone Operative that is pain in the but to remove (to commit only one unit usually is not save enough to kill him) is absolute money! He can perfectly do the actions where you have to survive in the opponents turn 👍🏼

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

@FloJoFloJo very very true! I will test him out and see how we go! And the thirster with the relic is nice because he always has the shadow damage as well!

[@bensdn3969]

It seems that Epidemius is no more avalaible in my country. How would you replace it please ?

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

That is a very tough call... He does so much for the army. I would maybe go with a poxbringer instead to force battleshocks at a further -1 and hope the unit survives... He has some good damage and makes the plaguebearers a lot better with lethals on 5's! Good luck 😁

[@fallenraven18m]

The 150 could be a second unit of Plague drones and a single unit of nurglings. I like the idea of keeping the little buggers around to block scouts and screen

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

I play tested a big unit of 9 tonight on stream and they worked out very well! I think I might run them again! 😁 More testing to be had! But some good ideas that's for sure!

[@fallenraven18m]

@BarnyardWargamingOfficial if you were to run an all nurgle list what would you run?

[@Johnny5Alive7]

@BarnyardWargamingOfficial if you were to run an all nurgle list what would you run? x2

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Compeamons 0.7 (2000 points) Chaos Daemons Strike Force (2000 points) Daemonic Incursion CHARACTERS Daemon Prince of Chaos (190 points) • Daemonic Allegiance: Nurgle • 1x Hellforged weapons 1x Infernal cannon Epidemius (80 points) • 1x Balesword and Nurgling attendants Great Unclean One (260 points) • Warlord • 1x Bilesword 1x Plague flail 1x Putrid vomit • Enhancement: The Endless Gift Poxbringer (55 points) • 1x Foul balesword Poxbringer (55 points) • 1x Foul balesword Rotigus (230 points) • 1x Gnarlrod 1x Streams of brackish filth Sloppity Bilepiper (55 points) • 1x Marotter BATTLELINE Nurglings (105 points) • 9x Nurgling Swarm • 9x Diseased claws and teeth Plaguebearers (110 points) • 1x Plagueridden • 1x Plaguesword • 9x Plaguebearer • 1x Daemonic Icon 1x Instrument of Chaos 9x Plaguesword Plaguebearers (110 points) • 1x Plagueridden • 1x Plaguesword • 9x Plaguebearer • 1x Daemonic Icon 1x Instrument of Chaos 9x Plaguesword Plaguebearers (110 points) • 1x Plagueridden • 1x Plaguesword • 9x Plaguebearer • 1x Daemonic Icon 1x Instrument of Chaos 9x Plaguesword OTHER DATASHEETS Beasts of Nurgle (140 points) • 2x Beast of Nurgle • 2x Putrid appendages Beasts of Nurgle (140 points) • 2x Beast of Nurgle • 2x Putrid appendages Beasts of Nurgle (140 points) • 2x Beast of Nurgle • 2x Putrid appendages Plague Drones (110 points) • 1x Plaguebringer • 1x Death’s heads 1x Foul mouthparts 1x Plaguesword • 2x Plague Drone • 1x Daemonic Icon 2x Death’s heads 2x Foul mouthparts 1x Instrument of Chaos 2x Plaguesword Plague Drones (110 points) • 1x Plaguebringer • 1x Death’s heads 1x Foul mouthparts 1x Plaguesword • 2x Plague Drone • 1x Daemonic Icon 2x Death’s heads 2x Foul mouthparts 1x Instrument of Chaos 2x Plaguesword Exported with App Version: v1.17.0 (45), Data Version: v430 I would run something like this! I think this all the tools you need for some serious damage! And they have a very unkillable castle without giving away too many points! Good luck!

[@Johnny5Alive7]

@@BarnyardWargamingOfficial Cool man. What's the thinking around Slopity & the 3x2 Beasts? Would Horti be worth squeezing in?

[@WarhammerDad1]

Hear me out.... LOL.... What if you left all the scoring to the 4 baseline units you already have.... And you solve our one major problem of 3-4 wound opponent infantry ... Double Battlecannon Despoiler...right on home objective. Kills Terminators, Kills Custodes, Kills anything with 3-4 wounds bc just volume of shots.... And ... is another large threat they have to deal with, while skarbrand, a blood thirster, and 2 green big bois are flying down the field. :)

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Dayum... That's not a bad idea at all! Definitely some backfield shooting that's for sure! I might try that one out! 😁

[@357Dejavu]

Think Pink Horrors are viable? My 1000ish point army consists of 60 pink horrors (with blues and brimstones) and some change casters and flux masters… Not meta and not in a good position to get more models any time soon lol

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Sadly no I don't 😕 I have been fooling around with Tzeentch and Slaanesh daemons for a long while recently trying to come up with something playable but they just suck... Smart players always one shot my pink horror units, so maybe if you are very smart and very lucky you can get them to live long enough to kill things but I couldn't master it... 😞

[@Ayra_arts]

sadly an experienced player wont let pinks split, so in normal 2k games they are not great. At 1k ? There's less to kill them off completly, so you get the benefit of splitting.

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

At 1k absolutely! They are much better! But yea at 2k they just don't do any damage and then they get one shot 😢

[@fetchenravin8220]

I made this exact list, he is mine Bloodmaster, Bloodthirster, Epidemius, GUO, poxbringer, rotigus, skarbrand, 2 units of 10 blood letters, 2 units of 10 plaugebeares, 1unit of nurglings. the buffs are insane, i was able to one shot a titan. above all else the army is so so so fun to play.

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

That's really similar to my older list! Insane right! So much fun to play. I just hate failing charges 😅

[@fetchenravin8220]

@@BarnyardWargamingOfficial I feel like the CP to Deepstrike 3" is so much better now i been cooking with a cool deepstrike strat

[@fetchenravin8220]

Deep strike the GUO 3" and the unit lead by epi, with 6 of him with the tankyness in the back line is hard to deal with and you can tie some strong units with almost no downside

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

The deepstrike opportunities are truly endless now!

[@jimbusher5895]

I love my Belakor model but having given all the Greater Deamons a mobile Shadow has made him 'useless' - he needs to come down to the same points bracket at the other

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

250 take it or leave it.

[@jimbusher5895]

@@BarnyardWargamingOfficial he needs a rewrite when the Codex drops too

[@redluck3048]

They just need to change his abilities in the codex and keep his points the same. Maybe more buffs for your deamons. Something like adding and extra D3 to the healing for your deamons and D3 dmg to your enemies on battle shock would be cool.

[@sheeke2156]

He still gives the 18” bubble of no shooting right?

[@aventurinhaTube]

Why not take just take Rotigus GUO and Bloodthirster ( instead of skarbrand)? It would give 16 points of Bring it down, at 16pts max many people may not choose bring it down

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

I just love Skarbrand for the fall back denial and also +1 attack on the blood letters is huge! It's definitely an idea for a lot of extra points... Dropping him though would be a very sad time for me because I just love Skarbrand so much! Competitively speaking adding a lot more chaff into my army to score points and move block instead of Skarbrand is probably a better idea you're right!

[@sirath35]

14:05 Jeff Goldblum

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

😂 what about these jokes is giving Jeff vibes?? So funny!

[@Chris3DFORME]

Death to the false Emperor!

[@HBK7239]

Would two units of Flesh Hounds be okay for scoring?

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

I don't think they're as good as screamers, but they get the job done just the same 😁

[@HBK7239]

@BarnyardWargamingOfficial I've tried Screamers and the WS 4+ kills them for me

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

I tend not to use them for killing things though. They are just a faster and more resilient unit in general. 4+ invuln compared to 5+ and 3w to 2w is a much harder to kill profile.

[@HBK7239]

@BarnyardWargamingOfficial I agree they are better at doing other things besides damage but sometimes I'd find myself really needing to take an objective from someone and the flesh hounds do a way better job if that then screamers, also I play against a lot of bugs & gks so having that 3+++ against psychic is money

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

@HBK7239 that's very fair. I usually verse marines, Votann or GSC on the channel from Neale, and none of those make use of psychic weapons and have a plethora of 2 DMG weaponry but not 3! So the screamers are definitely my choice. I wish flesh hounds had more of a unique rule for the army like, psyker units within 12" take battleshock tests at -1 or something. Different purpose etc. but no.

[@jnex6360]

Hi you didn't mention flesh hounds ?? by purpose ?

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

I knew people would want to take them but yes, I think they do the same thing as screamers but a little worse 😕

[@gealgain2420]

saying belakor is the worst l unit in the codex like the tree doesn't exist...

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Ha! Ohhhhh my poor poor fortifications... The feculent gnarlmaw and my webway gate how I will miss you!

[@RVD1OFAKIND]

I don't like this list because right now we'll see a lot of MSU. For example your multicharge means you're using a LOT of points to kill a lot less pts of enemy units. Meanwhile those daemons will all probably die to any clap back. (ex. my BT and 10 letters just died to 5 CSM terms shooting and charging... and terms are widely regarded as not a good unit). And is people really go all out with MSU, then everything that can't charge through a wall will cry. I think I'll try going the trash route with MSU fiends, hounds, some nurglings, some lone ops, GUO ofc and then add some hammer units (some Khorne combo maybe). However it seems like the consensus among top players is that Daemons are still one of the worst armies in the game. We'll see though..

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

That's very fair. I suppose it depends on if you verse a lot of MSU spam often. I find our msu is more expensive and deals less damage than other armies. So I use the greater daemons to deal my damage and the rest to score!

[@Nublyk]

I guess I still wonder with BID/Ass.. With this list you still are giving up a good amount of points to it no? Is this not a concern 😅

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Absolutely yes... But honestly you can't escape it. No matter how the list is made you're going to give it up in daemons I think. The alternative is just scoring and not killing anything 😕

[@j.rivera1974]

I have the largest Chaos Daemons group on Facebook and would love for you to join and share this video to the group. Let me know how I can send you the link. If you aren't interested then let me know if it would be ok to share your content to the group. Thanks!

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

Absolutely! Please dm me on our discord! Or reply as a comment that's fine too! In fact I think I'm already a part of it with my private account, and I requested access with my channel account. I get notified on posts and I can see them but it won't allow me to reply to them using my channel account. Let's see if we can get that fixed! 💪

[@j.rivera1974]

​@@BarnyardWargamingOfficialit won't allow me to post the link on here. It has 15k members so you can't miss it. I have questions set up to filter out the bots and spammers do just mention you are the one from YT and I will manually approve it. Thanks

[@BarnyardWargamingOfficial]

I am in it! Can you search by user and change my permissions or should I rejoin it? I can see it all. Just not allowed to post in there 😕

[@j.rivera1974]

​@@BarnyardWargamingOfficialso you are in the group, says you joined 4 months ago. I don't see any restrictions on your membership though so not sure why you can't post. I sent you an invite to become group expert. See if that changes anything if not just leave and rejoin but answer the 4 questions so I can manually approve it.