How to play Pos 5 Support PROPERLY | Dota 2 Coaching Session

Hey guys, in this video, I will be going through some misconceptions that are often practiced by lower MMR supports. Among these misconceptions are the biggest one which is pulling VS not pulling in lane. Some other concepts that are discussed are also such as lane sustain, gold management, rotations, ganking and holding of lanes.
These concepts are discussed through a coaching session I held with a 3k MMR Legend player.
I hope this video will be helpful to teach you how to better play the support role in terms of decision-making in every stage of the game.
Thank you!
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[@krnzzang84]

Best dota guide to be honest!!!! What he goes over, like the concept is like pure education!!!!

[@doudline2662]

Thank you sir! I've had almost all of the same problems on support as the gentleman you're coaching. The first 5-7 mins are usually good, I manage to trade favorably with the offlaners and even get kill while rarely feeding myself, but then I start wandering around the map not knowing what to do. Consequently I often fall behind on exp and gold. After implementing your advice about having a purpose/not changing lanes for no reason, I already feel much more in control.

[@rebar2137]

Oustanding video, very insightful, damn I haven't been thinking about some of the concepts here. Moving outside xp range was completely out of my mind, amazing stuff

[@jakemichael6742]

Man doesn’t take no MONKA! Content is crisp and not click bait rewatch and absorb!!

[@BalloonDota]

PS: Watch at 1.25x if pace is too slow, it works better. :) Hi guys, I am aware that there is loud fan noise occasionally throughout the video due to my laptop fan running on and off. I will be fixing the problem by looking into buying a PC soon to provide you guys with higher quality videos really soon. Sorry for the trouble, thank you!

[@daneo1952]

Brother, your coaching sessions are actually so well done! The writing down note part actually helps a lot, and you are super chill, eager to point out things that are well done, and most importantly never ridicule your student (which you really can't tell of every Coach sharing sessions on YT). If you would like to have a session with me, i would be very grateful. I just can't really contribute financially right now. >.< (Hard stuck in Ancient; and also hardstuck in not sufficient beh score. Help for a stronger mentality would be an important issue. But offcourse also the Dota mechanics itself.) Let me know if you can imagine it :)

[@BalloonDota]

​@@daneo1952Thank you for the positive feedback bro. Sometime down the road when I hit milestones in views and subscribers, I will give away coaching sessions to a select few so do keep an eye out for that. :)

[@Witafrikanerboerseun]

One of the best practical guides to play pos 5. With hero suggestions to safely clear waves - which is a dangerous job mid-game when the cores are farmed. And just jump and kill you. Would you also put warlock in same pool now with upheaval and shard? Do make a pos 3 guide as well please. Sometimes we end up in that role too.

[@BalloonDota]

Yes, I am making an offlane guide next. And yes, Warlock Upheavel with shadow amulet/glimmer works really well too.

[@orvlau5610]

Subbed! Really good educational content with your analyses, and you don't just spout generic tips that most players won't know how to apply in their games. Looking forward to more!

[@andriivarfolomieiev856]

The feedback is an absolute gold. I learnt so much. Thank you for uploading this 🙏

[@night8285]

I just got Legend 4 last week and I've been noticing the same problems in my last couple of games, so the video is a godsend to me. Thank you!!

[@平中山-b7y]

this is so helpful, i feel like i play a pretty good support but i often am lost when my team is not doing their jobs, i realize now i need to be doing it in their place instead of pinging lol. just the thought process behind how to look at the map and decide where to go is a great help.

[@thebigthn]

This was really good. I always heard of coaches, but was hesitant to use them. This was an awesome preview of what to expect!

[@Tharindu87]

This is absolutely golden feedback. It helped me re-evaluate my hero pool and rethink a lot of how I play on the daily. Thanks for uploading this!

[@antonioemilio9932]

74.8 percent Meepo winrate. Time for a Mepoo tutorial bro haha! Would love to see it .

[@BalloonDota]

Yeah that's in the work soon haha

[@jakemichael6742]

This is great for core players wanting to gain mmr during role queue farming!

[@koujin4406]

I love how this looks like an evaluation of a employee of some company. Its good

[@BasedGenius5]

Learned so much from you. Thanks for doing these kinds of contents.

[@cianleon1837]

Imma herald player... if u saw my games u would break down and cry! Taking so many notes im gonna have to rewatch 2 or 3 times. Thx for the resource

[@viternity6903]

Good Video especially the "lost after landing phase". It's exactly the problem if you farm or take the abandoned lane as support and then get blamed if they camp mid as 3 or 4 people. Instead of spreading and push in other lanes

[@barebeardota]

That's really helpful. Thanks for sharing this coach session. Subscribed 💖

[@dizmal0]

Great video. Subbed.

[@mergen3038]

thank you for support video coach much love

[@katakgemok]

this is gold for a support.i will study this video

[@jazzkumar3154]

Actual make sense guide.subscribed.

[@diotrephes1299]

cheers from Brazil. I found it funny how you say sheet, as sh*t ...

[@M1dKnight1am]

17:26 Exactly! Im supporting this channel! Keep posting man!

[@brtline11]

I watch every tutorial and it helps a lot...

[@lukeatillo6954]

Thanks for sharing coach! As always, it's very informative. ✨🙏💖😁✨

[@famafka]

man is PhD in Dota. Great stuff!

[@meorizzulhaqim9081]

Im new to the game. 3 days of understanding dota. And end up here in your channel. Its a very good explaination. I guess i'll just play like this. Untill i understand the items & heroes 😂

[@ShadowMarth121]

Really love your style of coaching and have been subbed for a good while now. Thanks for what you do. This is just a me problem but I cannot help but feel pretty demotivated after listening to 4:40 to about 5:17 I am a solo wyvern specialist. Archon 4. I have several secondaries I can play but 95% or more of the time im on wyvern. Wyvern is uhh not the best obviously so its pretty discouraging when that saying im basically doomed to fail. Its my problem and nothing on you or this video

[@BalloonDota]

Hi, unfortunately what I tell my students are often the reality. In lower brackets, your cores are often not very well versed in macro concepts such as understanding timings, power spikes, when to group/split etc. As a result, supports are often left with a ton of space to hold lanes/hit camps/do much more efficient things with their time instead. This in turn causes many supports to become somewhat farmed because of what their cores failed to do. As a result, heroes that can work better with items and scale/push waves are often the way to go in these games if winning is the goal.

[@ShadowMarth121]

@@BalloonDota Ok I understand, thank you for taking the time to respond 🙏

[@toneeh1307]

Thanks for the video been waiting for a support based one. If u wouldn't mind answering this question as it's something I struggle with an maybe some others when do u decide or think a support should commit to a gem? Sometimes I find myself wondering should I just gem? Or keep up with the dust an sentries.

[@BalloonDota]

If the game progresses to like mid game where you have achieved most of your important items on support, then yes you could definitely consider looking into Gem after that.

[@toneeh1307]

@yongy146 Thanks for taking the time to reply. I really appreciate it, and thanks again for all the knowledge you give out.

[@dev-vf5fm]

The best advice that you can give to support main players is try to play core/carry/offlane (pos1/pos2). So that you will know the perspective of a core/carry main player and sync your gameplay with your carry. Because some supports doesn't empathize with their carry and force their gameplay on their team. Sample: instead of waiting at the neutral camps to pull. Try to help CS with your carry than doing nothing waiting at the neutral camps.

[@siratmohaiminulislam8677]

I really like the way you say 'thank you'! :)

[@Beeyouteeful]

Amazing !

[@MarkjohnAnticamara]

The best

[@holohulolo]

What I find difficult to understand is. When to join a fight and when not to. Specifically fights you know are pointless and especially fights you know are unwinnable. I mean yes around that rank people like to take random fights, as long as they see enemy, they take the fight. And a lot of times I find it obvious we shouldnt take it. I mean the kind we can get wiped without really having a trade that's worth anything, basically just us feeding more if we take the fight. You might think my judgement is wrong but I know I'm not because the teamate would start blaming the one not in the fight who is alive and well when they lose the fight. And not just that, they ask why he didnt come or something along those line Without thinking whether it was even possible for that ally to come and join the fight at all. So basically theres always a few allies that takes a fight thinking our whole team is there, but they dont bother checking, because in their mind they just want to fight, they havent checked the map in 30 seconds and notice the carry is farming far away and doesnt seem to join us. So what happens then? Say it's likely we get wiped and not get more kill if I join Should I just abandon them and let them feed, so I dotn feed them more or what? Because this happens a lot in fight. They behave so randomly, and the only way to help is to just follow them if there 2 or 3 of them roaming in areas they might bump into enemies. I feel like this is, a lot of time wasted for me as a support tagging along some core farming. Because these core jusy expect you to be ready anytime they engage. They never checked the team positions before they start roaming around aimlessly. That's another thing they're not going for any objective or really for farming they dont know what better to do either. They hope to bump into 1 wandering enemy and catch them and maybe more. And I often find myself stuck in such situations where I just have to tag along 24/7. There are times where were roaming ( again, not full team, usually no carry) and there are literally 2 of our lanes being shoved in and the enemy creep is just in front of our tower. But they dont see it, and they keep roaming aimlessly. The right thing is obviously to clear those waves so we dont get caught in a fight while enemy creeps are hitting our tower. If I tp, and even inform them, theyd still roam aimlessly, and since they dont check map or team position, they assume I'm still there and go about like they have gank potential. Then they suddenly bump into enemy just shortly after to, clash and they get wiped and just feed for nothing. I dont know if the right decision is for me to def the tower since no one is doing it, or tag along and babysit them, because at least if I'm with them even if its outnumbered fight the outcome might be better. Also theres that risk of them dying and finding out you're not there and you become that scapegoat and reason for them to grief. Even though they're the one making the wrong move and decision.

[@nathanmurphy4374]

Very good video

[@RPMentorTokyoChannel]

This is good.

[@amir6099]

u are best

[@erencaglyor9851]

Great video

[@markanthonytrigo6737]

nice guide!

[@nicolekho7791]

For the spot at 30:30 could it make sense to walk top from base in order to save tp for when fight breaks out mid?

[@BalloonDota]

Yes, that would have been the best play definitely. Once the game progresses to later parts of 25-30 mins onwards, heavy focus is placed on grouping with teammates after waves cause you can contribute a lot more to fights now. But in the first 15-25 mins, prioritize more wave pushing and lane holding whenever possible to hit your items as a support unless urgent scenarios come up.

[@BalloonDota]

In this scenario, mid was an urgent scenario so definitely the play was to walk top, push lane then tp mid when urgency calls.

[@xanboparan4003]

good stuff

[@edcelsarciatv269]

spam 1 hero in rank recalibration is a good or not ?

[@BalloonDota]

I mean if that wins you games and fits your goal then sure. But if your goal is to improve in dota as a whole then probably not.

[@ybabts]

Something that really frustrates me about a lot of Dota 2 coaches is that they focus on correcting the outcomes instead of the process that their students used to get to the bad outcomes. It really stunts learning by teaching players "if you do this instead you'll do better" instead of teaching them why and the process of arriving at that solution. A lot of Dota coaches could be a lot better at teaching by using a constructivist teaching style.

[@alairgamer2379]

I understand your point. But thats hard because not everyone thinks or acts with same mindset to make those mistakes. So they focus on the right way and tells you what you have to do to archive that. Its part of the process to learn any competitive game...been good or been bad at it.

[@pooyaparham5746]

Hi can you help me I'm midlaner I can lane well and gank well but my enemies are feeded from my teammates even if I lose lane I farm but my team just give up or feed finish fast I mainly play invoker I started it 2 weeks ago and mastered it and arc warden For example I could almost solo carry a game with arc warden but my team just stole al my kills and I couldn't buy mkb for enemy pa I almost killed pa but we lost because I couldn't get mkb I can't carry the with invoker most times but I some times can and same happens I know I should focus on my own game but I can't win games with bad team When my team don't push at all even with characters like sprit braker I can't do anything my mmr went from 500 to 100 I can play with necrophose and easily win games but I don't want to do that to rais mmr with character and not skill same will happen

[@BalloonDota]

Hey bro, if most games you find that your teammates are feeding, high chance it has got to do with something you might be doing in your games that is a repeated pattern. For example, if you consistently lose lanes, you would enable the enemy mid laner space to run you and your teammates down which can lead to the effect of feeling like your side lanes are always losing. At the same time, if you manage to win your lane often, you would actually draw attention from the enemies to try and gank you which indirectly prevents your teammates from feeding cause now all the attention is drawn to you. There are probably much much more reasons I can think of that makes you feel the way you feel in your games, but trust me it has got to do with how we play the game. Every player in dota has a way to significantly contribute to the win rate of their team.

[@pooyaparham5746]

Thanks

[@vrrvvm]

Thinks too sacrificially.

[@cornedenecker1636]

Wow, nice assessment 😂

[@domdom4241]

Ich höre einen deutschen der englisch spricht. Man kennts

[@Barsafterbars420]

this is useless if your core are noobs hhahaha

[@MrKang-25]

Hi I'm interested in your program your fiver is not working were i can contact you for coaching

[@BalloonDota]

@@MrKang-25 hi bro please add me on Discord, BaLLooN#5243