"out hold your opponent" ... that feels so anti-tyranid for a species 100% build around invasion. I hope there's a codex adjustment.
@vaettra15894 жыл бұрын
This. I hate playing the objective game with nids. The last years of Tyranid play have been gettin ahead on points in the early game and getting tabled turn 4 because no staying power, lose by a landslide. 9th ed looks to be more of the same. Rush to the objectives with fragile troops, stand there while your MC's can't kill anything, get annihilated. Fun times. And as a slow player, I hate to hear it will become an even slower army to play. I'm thinking shelfing my nids and quitting the hobby.
@rf-cattleprod62074 жыл бұрын
@@vaettra1589 I feel pretty much the same way.
@fluffcrunchmini45724 жыл бұрын
I'm sure GW said that armies would Recieve their own secondaries so this is kind of coming..?
@rf-cattleprod62074 жыл бұрын
@@fluffcrunchmini4572 Believe it when I see it. It could help but you are limited to how much you can score via secondaries. I just saw that Striking Scorpion gave out all the point costs, it was helpful to see that marines are going to be paying through the nose to field a battalion. That might help with the small claustrophobic board with cluttered LOS blocking terrain. Maybe, just maybe some armies won't be utterly shot off the table when tactical doctrine rolls around.
@JustinDynamicD4 жыл бұрын
@@fluffcrunchmini4572 not sure how a secondary will change playstyle. "You know that castle that will table you in a round if you charge? Free points if you don't wipe this turn!"
@dustinmosley70204 жыл бұрын
1:25 "they are really good at holding the board!" 9:50 "this army suffers from multiple turns of shooting." Essentially, nids went from bugs you saw in starship troopers, to bugs you saw from a bugs life.
@thekrispiestkreme56093 жыл бұрын
Jokes on you, flick and his friends won that fight
@turnereverett23633 жыл бұрын
i dont mean to be off topic but does any of you know a method to get back into an instagram account? I was stupid forgot the password. I appreciate any assistance you can give me.
@byronbenicio52683 жыл бұрын
@Turner Everett Instablaster ;)
@komotheloresheep11584 жыл бұрын
Lore:tyranids are the most terrifying and destructive species that even chaos and necrons are scared and lot of factions have to team up to defeat them Tabletop:a 500 point space marines list can kill a 2000 point nid list and the marines only lose 2 squads
@Cha-Khia4 жыл бұрын
To be fair. That IS how it works in the lore... So I guess Nids should just be allowed to take twice as many points? Seeing how they always outnumber everyone except the orks.
@alexortiz97774 жыл бұрын
@@Cha-Khia Then just half the points cost of the nids.
@Kanjejou4 жыл бұрын
even tau suffer if they dont spam their big mecha like ritptide... I have seen 1000points of 9edition space marine dab on 2k point of eldar or tau
@nickwoollon98554 жыл бұрын
Thing is the "holding power" they were talking about kind of fits with Nids lore. They send waves and waves of bodies into their foes to just outnumber them. Unfortunately the game can't reflect that accurately so winning the objective by just surviving long enough for "a second wave" of nids to come kind of fits.
@komotheloresheep11584 жыл бұрын
@@nickwoollon9855 holdings power as in holding objectives. All the time tyranids are an invading force that should need to survive against there enemy,there enemies should have to survive agility them true horde fashion
@DavisCentis4 жыл бұрын
Summary: Two units are good. Biovores are good for move-blocking with their bad shots (don't expect to kill things), and the Zoanthropes are good at soaking up damage. Nothing else can survive while sitting on objectives, and nothing is strong enough to push enemies off objectives. Your main hope is to take a skew list of max models to try an unsatisfying win, but even that isn't likely. Yay. Considering all the other "tips from playtesters" so far have been actually exciting things that the armies can do, this makes me terrified. And I think GSC takes things even worse. What's that video going to be? "Ridgerunners plus an Alpha Biker is strong and can survive for a while, but you need to just take a ton of models, hope your opponent has minimal blast weapons, and not actually play the game in order to win."?
@benbateman65224 жыл бұрын
As a new player, I really wanted to get started with Tyranids, but this is looking incredibly bleak
@magicmanscott40k4 жыл бұрын
I'm still buying them cuz they look cool
@kaibe52413 жыл бұрын
@@magicmanscott40k Rule of cool always wins!
@nomack0003 жыл бұрын
As an old tyranid player. I enjoy eating most opponents for lunch.
@mitch53874 жыл бұрын
Main way to play Tyranids.......to hold and outlast the enemies shooting. What an absolute joke.
@Cha-Khia4 жыл бұрын
What ar we, Death Guard?
@ogsnoop21264 жыл бұрын
Not to mention the changes to modifiers killed the armies mechanics since the dawn of time. My Space Dinos will be waiting for a codex and maybe then see some play, but not likely...
@garrickfield35224 жыл бұрын
Sounds bleak dudes. Man I play Orks and Nids. Both not great by the sounds.
@grumpdogg2134 жыл бұрын
What's wrong with Orks?
@Khurzan724 жыл бұрын
Could be worse. You could be playing CSM
@Aerakade4 жыл бұрын
Orks and Nids are my two favorite armies so I definitely feel you. Luckily I've always enjoyed a heavily mechanized guard and space marines.
@ogsnoop21264 жыл бұрын
Orks can atleast run a mechanized division, so I doubt they will be as shelved as your Space Dinos.
@c_weir7534 жыл бұрын
I've watched at least 10 nid batreps for 9th and nids haven't won a single one. Im very worried for them
@Gnarlf4 жыл бұрын
MWG Nids vs Space Wolfes It think they won. Close but still a win.
@c_weir7534 жыл бұрын
Nah space wolfs won that one it was so close though. I thought the nids had won till the points were added up
@etherealhawk4 жыл бұрын
It was a crap wolves list too
@superkamigoru4 жыл бұрын
@@etherealhawk it's not like the nids list was competitive
@Hound0284 жыл бұрын
Please, I just got into the game and bought like $600 worth of Tyranids
@ogsnoop21264 жыл бұрын
Bro, you missed out on 8th Nids. Honestly best edition I have played with, truly a swarm worth fearing.
@christopherplummer12994 жыл бұрын
Nothing is stopping from playing 8th edition. Unless you are only looking to play competitively. My friends and I play for the fun not tournaments. We decided to only play 8th edition, at least until GW has updated most or all of the army codexes and rules. So it may be a couple years until we pick up 9th edition rules.
@Hound0284 жыл бұрын
Christopher Plummer sure I don’t plan on going competitive but I don’t want to get my ass kicked casually either
@brandonguthrie81224 жыл бұрын
John .W I’ve done well in 8th
@JaredJuetten4 жыл бұрын
@John .W - if you're new to the game you're going to get your ass kicked. BUT!! Learn and adapt, just like the Hive Mind. I got my butt whooped so bad by friends in 6th and 7th... But because I adapted and almost never played the same thing twice (unlike my marine buddy who was 1-trick pony) I ended up surprising them a lot and winning even in 7th edition. Best advice: Play the Objective. Don't worry about tabling the enemy. And have fun!!
@porcu123454 жыл бұрын
Thats a pretty long list of negatives for an already fairly weak army.
@kyrisgaming4 жыл бұрын
don't worry, us nid players are used to GWs hatred.
@mon9294 жыл бұрын
Nids are a high skill cap army....
@d3rralle9644 жыл бұрын
@@mon929 In other words... shit
@kyrisgaming4 жыл бұрын
@@mon929 No. they're an army with shit rules because GW can't hire people who actually like tyranids to design their codex.
@lazarus84724 жыл бұрын
@@mon929 by skill cap, you mean the skill of not just switching to Space Marines like GW wants everyone to do?
@Alasthors4 жыл бұрын
Best way to play Tyranids in 9th, after last Firstborn SM buff announcement? Well: -put them on the shelf -cover them with a light cover to prevent dust or into a closed buffet -wait for codex to see if they'll buff them anywhere next to playable against actual SM level (optional)- depress meanwhile, prepare a rope if they don't do anything special once codex out. (Alternative to all above) -get the feeling SM will never ever be a bad army and just begin one. Enjoy your day :) PS: apply to any non-SM army :)
@itcamefromthedeep4 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who cares that the Red Terror can no longer use a CP on the roll to eat an enemy character?
@itcamefromthedeep4 жыл бұрын
Who am I kidding - of course nobody else cares. >.< I'm one of about 5 people who have that model.
@MrPsycogoldfish4 жыл бұрын
I did exactly his and got 3 more points after eating a full health attack bike in an ITC game like 2 days ago, it breaks my heart that it's going away T_T
@Bambi_Sapphic2 жыл бұрын
@@itcamefromthedeep I care now that I realise
@RavienCoromana4 жыл бұрын
Did they strip infantry from Biovores in 9th? They're infantry in 8th, so I figured they'd still be subject to move-and-shoot penalties
@rockitgamer4 жыл бұрын
Biovores have the keyword "Infantry" in the codex, as you mentioned. Unless the Xenos listings change that status in 9th until we get a new codex - "Infantry" they are.
@Raznab4 жыл бұрын
Biovores are infantry and do suffer a penalty for moving and shooting heavy weapons. In this case that is a perk as you want them to miss to make more bodies on the board to block movement. Unless they really did think biovores don't get a penalty for moving cause they think they are not infantry, then they are very much mistaken unless something has changed regarding the unit or the weapon.
@akselhansen3044 жыл бұрын
Them: "Probably best at holding the middle of the board" Me: oooh so like every army u have covered so far?
@ogsnoop21264 жыл бұрын
The sad part is that it is so true, that the secondary to attack on all fronts is actually hard for nids to accomplish.
@JonnoDavies14 жыл бұрын
How to play Tyranids in 9th - Don't.
@tobyphillips9914 жыл бұрын
I am now a space marine player even though I have a lot of nids and I like them but what can you do
@equals-kl9hm4 жыл бұрын
I wish the Games Workshop (GW) team would show a bit more creativity when it comes to Tyranids (bugs). The goals of a bug player should be completely different from thier opponents. "Capture and hold?" "Seize objectives?" How about EAT EVERYTHING!!! and a few more.
@angrykobold59703 жыл бұрын
They should add points for destroyed units in melee
@SetsunaKai54 жыл бұрын
RIP nids, still paying for their sins in 4th edition.
@alexmacdougall57004 жыл бұрын
what sins in 4th? they weren't good then either?
@chaosreaper50084 жыл бұрын
@@alexmacdougall5700 they were pretty fucking good.
@davidjesion60844 жыл бұрын
I even commented on Frontline gaming that I'm shelving Tyranids this edition. Gotta play market ball with GW if you want to win.
@thomassaxon82544 жыл бұрын
They were good in 4th, not broken though. And Cruddance has been dicking them into the ground ever since for winning against his Marines.
@eacey4 жыл бұрын
Alex Macdougall THE Alex Macdougall? From art of war?
@Zach04514 жыл бұрын
I wish they'd make Tyranid Warriors stronger. They're just a tad too expensive for their datasheet and it's a real shame
@leegarner45924 жыл бұрын
They might get a (relative) points drop...
@ivandeoz4 жыл бұрын
@@leegarner4592 I think hes talking about $$ expensive. Quite a bunch of money for a troop.
@MARStheFORSAKEN4 жыл бұрын
Aren't warriors like 20 pts and 3 wounds?
@Zach04514 жыл бұрын
@@MARStheFORSAKEN Only if you don't give them a gun of any kind and leave them with only a chainsword equivalent melee weapon. Compare that to an intercessor that has 1 less wound for a higher armor, a gun, higher BS, and an extra attack for the same points
@kriscrossx1224 жыл бұрын
compare that to a Runtherd it could be worse just saying
@GrimonprezB4 жыл бұрын
If Biovore keep "Infantry" keyword, move them before shootin' to "miss" easier.
@Virmie4 жыл бұрын
As a nids player, this edition is honestly depressing You can tell Cruddace got his hands on 9th as well
@jean-philippehaufroid64254 жыл бұрын
One way to keep the moral is to look at the chaos daemons codex. 8th has been terrible for them but it will be worst in 9th ^^'
@Zach04514 жыл бұрын
@@jean-philippehaufroid6425 chaos daemons got far more legwork than nids did
@JustinDynamicD4 жыл бұрын
desperately need a new codex. RIght now the models are too expensive for what they offer and even with a rebalance, how they are being asked to play is sad.
@jean-philippehaufroid64254 жыл бұрын
@@Zach0451 I see you have never open their codex. some of their rules doesn't work, their more iconic unit are whiper of the table after 1 turn, They are almost a only melee army, you can't take different daemon in the same dettachement (forcing you too have multiple detachement), they must be in big number to achieve anything, the different gods are terribly balance between them, their power and stratagèmes are divided in 4 different faction, ... You can try to win in some tournament with the tyranid. That's why people are still using them. You can't with daemons. They have no legwork. They are paraplegic.
@williamtorres41404 жыл бұрын
@@jean-philippehaufroid6425 if you think you can win Anything with Nids I'd really encourage you to try.
@Mr.Monacle4 жыл бұрын
"How to Play Tyranids in 9th edition" That just sounds like losing with extra steps :(
@Mr.Monacle3 жыл бұрын
@William Lynch I run Death Guard actually; but I’d love to play ‘Nids, and I absolutely would, were they even a little more viable. Admittedly, I’m a bit out of the loop; I haven’t looked at data on the ‘Nids in about 6 months, so maybe they improved, but I’m not going to spend literally hundreds of dollars to build an army that will be shot off the board turn 1. That’s not fun.
@Akillesursinne4 жыл бұрын
Good job guys! I gotta say, despite the pre-order misshap from GWs side, the community has really done a stellar job, both content creators and players, to spread the word and hype/talk about this new edition! Love it!
@georgecalisti38944 жыл бұрын
It’s really refreshing to watch a video about Nids that isn’t so pessimistic, thanks
@jock14884 жыл бұрын
Ok so what are the positives??
@ethandouglas17294 жыл бұрын
james borrett no
@Ariocsneedle3 жыл бұрын
No such thing
@ndr2q4 жыл бұрын
I live in fear now of that new Primaris hammerfall drop turret. The one with deep strike, 72” S6 heavy *2D6* blast superfrag missiles, getting automatic 12 shots thanks to the new blast rule, and 8 heavy bolters. I’m pretty sure a marine player could deep strike one of those in my path and obliterate nearly my whole army. Feels bad man, that I have to worry about getting tabled by an inanimate building.
@Gnarlf4 жыл бұрын
So you mean, when he fires His high strengt weapons into a unit with very cheap T3 models? Some of whom are likely to survive and give a very small target to further invaluate any more shots allocated to the unit? Sure, I'm shivering in fear.
@grotwurksmekshop66074 жыл бұрын
We don't know ots 8 heavy bolters as it is an array. It is likely 2-3 of them overall
@lazarus84724 жыл бұрын
@@Gnarlf the fucking thing has heavy flamers. the deepstrike will guarantee your swarms get instantly deleted if they come within the area of the bunker. its stupidly OP area denial
@notaninquisitor72744 жыл бұрын
12 shots into 300 termagants... that gonna take a while.
@cacahouetteuh4 жыл бұрын
@@notaninquisitor7274 The real threat are the 8 heavy bolters. We don't know if they are "standard" heavy bolter and what is the BS but the rule leaked for them is terrifying for a tyranid player: you shoot with them multiple times until all the target within range and sight have been shot at.
@Hassathor4 жыл бұрын
I really fear Nids are just gonna be a bottom tear army (again) this edition :S
@ogsnoop21264 жыл бұрын
It's 7th edition, but without little game breaking mechnics.
@predatoreusfilms99924 жыл бұрын
Maybe in tenth they’ll get a buff
@Melkor12053 жыл бұрын
Just wait for the Codex ^^
@MagicE133 жыл бұрын
@@Melkor1205 yeah they will have 6 pages of carnifexes with slightly different load outs. Nids lost most thier wargear, the bio morphs are embarrassingly limited and the one strength they had....numbers...nobody will now play. Unless they get new units and some severe rule changes, they will be target practice for the Primari-sues.
@warface48812 жыл бұрын
what rules do you need to play Tyranids? Can you do that with just the Tyranid Codex or do you need another rule book? My son wants to play them and I don't know anything about the rules.
@GrimonprezB4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Nids are my faves.....but that was a boring and bad joke in the 8th ed (no models, bad rules, boring to play,....). A "lore list" was bad....and looks already bad in thie edition too (gaunts hordes? * hysterical laugh *). Everything sounds against Nids....and that was already one of the worst Codex. I hope we'll have a new good codex and models this year....
@munchinbiscuits4 жыл бұрын
Short answer.... don't At least until GW stops nerfing nids into the ground.
@Eclipsed_Embers4 жыл бұрын
how to play Tyranids in 9th. have good friends who don't mind a bit of homebrew and narrative play
@thomassaxon82544 жыл бұрын
Based purely on unit rules so far I think the Warrior style army will be the way to go for Nids (my preferred way since 7th TBF). Of course it's going to depend on points and I've got a horrible feeling Nids will get absolutely shafted because Cruddance hates Nids.
@ogsnoop21264 жыл бұрын
Agreed Warriors look better then ever. I still like my Termagants and mommy, but Hormagaunts are worse then in 8th and Genestealers got the shaft in points and rules.
@HunterMearo4 жыл бұрын
Warriors, Hive Guard and Tyrants is just about all you'll see from me now.
@stormisuedonym45993 жыл бұрын
@@ogsnoop2126 Playing with basic math alone, a group of five assault intercessors up against a unit of twenty hormagaunts will pretty much wipe out over half the gaunts at the cost of most of one Primarine in one round, then finish the job in the second. I get that the Space Marines are the flagship line, but you'd think GW would at least _try_ to balance out the costs so comparable units would be comparable in performance.
@ogsnoop21263 жыл бұрын
@@stormisuedonym4599 the new points are back to 8th edition standards for Termagants. I am so happy about this, because they were punished for no reason initially. I understand your concerns, but there are methods within every games for mitigation, so I am less concerned. I have played nids well enough and long enough to challenge my space marine friends now. Thanks for your math hammer, but I feel Termagants are viable option now. Also 20 man Gant units are heresy, if it ain't 30 it is no good.
@bills55424 жыл бұрын
Ok thanks GW for completely screwing tyranids AGAIN!!!! My tyranids will continue go be shelved. Im so fed up with GW.
@HunterMearo4 жыл бұрын
@Keith Marshall it's all fun and games till the competitive lists can't even compete with casual lists this edition, mark my words.
@Ariocsneedle3 жыл бұрын
Stop giving GW money, its simple.
@wolfsea194 жыл бұрын
Great video, I loved the format and the chemistry between the commentators!
@themanbehindtheslaughter76334 жыл бұрын
"You are an example of what will take you down". HAHAHA! *sad tyranid noises, this is top 3 my favorite army i am sad
@rejectedopinions4 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure our termagants and hormagaunts are dead units now, genestealers still have a place but you'll see 5 man rippers and warriors fielded as our troops from now on. Hive guard are still a real threat and will probably be the only elite units taken besides zoanthropes. Carnifex and exocrine will also be probably the only heavys we bring besides the occasional mawloc. Our army is gonna have like 1 or 2 ways to play until we get an updated codex, and idk that itll help much anyway
@rf-cattleprod62074 жыл бұрын
The patch to the codex probably won't help. Shame, Blood of Baal is so good.
@Flourikum4 жыл бұрын
I hope they devour the damn Aeldari aliens that will buff the shit out of their forces to make them fun again.
@Ghorda94 жыл бұрын
@@rf-cattleprod6207 that patch isn't as good as it should be, just look at what everyone else got.
@rf-cattleprod62074 жыл бұрын
@@Ghorda9 Oh I am aware. 9th is the SM edition. Total joke for swarms, hordes and mobs.
@ethandouglas17294 жыл бұрын
In the new edition genestealers are 17 points base each. I think it’s dumb
@jakeholmannf4 жыл бұрын
Perhaps Tyranids need to have their own unique rules/mission sets/org charts separate from the rulebook? I think they should have more of a deathmatch-vibe on the tabletop, they're there to consume their opponents and planetary resources, not sit on arbitrary objectives.
@Cha-Khia4 жыл бұрын
That would honestly be pretty cool. Seeing Nids hit the table and whatever you where trying to play before doesn't matter, "fight for survival", that is the objective now.
@guilhermedoreto53434 жыл бұрын
swarm without swarm. really?
@Pendraig14004 жыл бұрын
Ah my favourite troop choice Squads of rippers
@darkhunter_25204 жыл бұрын
I feel like a lot of things were skimmed over here. Nids are really squishy. They don't have any durability. They have awful AP on most weapons. They have issues with the t7 3+. They have awful shooting. With blast, coherency and combat attrition, nids are going to die super fast. Doesn't matter how quickly you can cover the board if your opponent can kill 60 models in exchange for losing 5-10 themselves. Most nid lists will be tabled by turn 3.
@Gnarlf4 жыл бұрын
To be fair. Combat atrition is only a thing if you are out of synapse. And compared to previously, you probably loose öess to atrition that to the old moral system
@ryano60154 жыл бұрын
Looks and on paper, but theory doesn’t always translate 1:1 to practice. They’ll be somewhat survivable due to the change to LoS and terrain
@trevorflanagan48734 жыл бұрын
The worst thing to me is Hormies costing as much as ork boyz:’(
@ShumaBot4 жыл бұрын
Poor nids are the dead last faction in 9th unless the point changes are supremely friendly to them
@TheWinterman334 жыл бұрын
Knights are way worse off, unless you are just playing a kill em all mission for laughs. At least tyrands can actively compete in the primary.
@ShumaBot4 жыл бұрын
As an update the points changes were supremely UN friendly to them and they are dead last. The were pretty great to knights though.
@tomgilesmarvoloryley4 жыл бұрын
spoiler alert: they won't be
@itcamefromthedeep4 жыл бұрын
This is your periodic reminder that there is no "U" in Termagant.
@FrogEnjoyer173 жыл бұрын
But soon u will be
@drew61454 жыл бұрын
Draw of nids, a tide of freaky monsters 9th gameplay "prob want squads" Lol great changes there sure itll go over well
@jamesbgood254 жыл бұрын
Sad Tyranid noises
@daleperry10264 жыл бұрын
I’m at nearly 2,000 models for my hive fleet. Coming in at around 54k in points. Love this video and looking forward to testing some of these ideas out. Thanks guys
@KingCronan4 жыл бұрын
love these videos! I'm really getting a good feel for how 9th ed is going to work and how armies will play. when you guys talk about the lists, could you maybe have the lists show up at the bottom of the screen or maybe link them in the description? thanks!
@DevilsBrushGaming4 жыл бұрын
Its such a shame as I feel they have taken the biggest hit and I have 18k of them lol. Christopher DBG
@jennibear684 жыл бұрын
i know, i have the same amount, been using them since 2nd ed, but this is the worst it been.
@saeklas4 жыл бұрын
Ok, they die so damn easily, getting in synapse is harder due to coherency, they only really charge two to three times a turn so overwatch is still going to effect them, more tanks on the field which nids can't kill. Basically I won't be touching the 3-4k points I have. Sad and salty
@HunterMearo4 жыл бұрын
Yuuup, at least nids will still be valid in Kill Team, all 250 points you take there...
@ogsnoop21264 жыл бұрын
Biovore went from biomass snipers in 7th to a unit that does nothing 58% of the time at best. Why waste 150pts for a meme wall when for 70pts I can chuck 10 gargoyles up the board that with Kraken can easily move at best 36" in one turn.
@Cha-Khia4 жыл бұрын
Because they'll nerf that too.
@deang80174 жыл бұрын
Really curious to hear your thoughts on Warriors with Enhanced Resistances. They were probably my favorite pick out of Blood of Baal and I think they will be even stronger in 9th. I was surprised they didn't get a mention. I run mine as Jormungandr so they effectively have a 3+ save that ignores -1 and -2 AP. Boneswords and Deathspitters.
@Zach04514 жыл бұрын
That's a lot of work to build a unit that is worse than the average space marine
@MrPsycogoldfish4 жыл бұрын
Rando chiming in with his own thoughts. I've been hearing a lot of people took warriors with enhanced resistance and jormungandr (myself a couple times). The morale immunity is really nice and the S5 AP-1 guns and S8 AP-2 D:D3 on a deepstrike can really shift an opponents attention, claim a corner of the board, potentially remove that Russ equivalent for 2CP shooting again, but I've not really been needing them to survive more than they already do. If tou deepstrike them, positioning is really a greater factor in their survival than ignoring AP-1/2 seeing as their 3 wounds makes them somewhat efficient targets for multi-damage AP-3 weapons which I find frequently turned their way. I've had better results running termagants with jormungandr and enhanced resistance with a buffed up tervigon. They essentially become this 30 wound unit with a 5+ invuln against AP-1/2 and can only take 1 damage at a time, so low fire rate and high damage AP-3 weapons are really inefficient to shoot them with. On gants I'd say it's better than a permanent catalyst, especially since a lot of now blast weapons like battle cannons and manticors are only AP-2 or less and conventional saves stop multi-damage where as a catalyst has to roll on each wound. It really helps against some of their greatest enemies like tactical doctrine salamander flamer bombs. You can pop catalyst on 1 damage weapons and watch as the salamander spend 2CP to max fire their AP-1 veteran flamer squad to kill a grand total of 12 gants, 10 of which are replaced next turn, and then you get to smite a bunch of them, bypassing their storm shields (true story). I've found this combo even when stood in the open to require a much greater point commitment to remove from the board then the 300 point (or 390 points with a neurothrope) put in to build it. I haven't tried it yet with a malanthrope yet, though that might be going overboard. It's firepower is poor but it has obsec and at least 1 psyker, and with the right buffs on the tervigon the combo is harder to remove than a baneblade, though the enemy will be able to pick favoured targets with any weapon so you have to keep that in mind when mathammering. I think jormngandr warriors will still have a place, but more as a deepstrike bomb with some raveners or a trygon to shift a side of the map in your favour, potentially popping another vehicle here or there with the venom cannons, rather than being a main beat-stick/damage sponge unit. Again, those big tasty 3 wound models make them viable targets for heavy AP-3 weapons so enhanced resistance is kinda wasted on them. This is against anything other than middle-ground blast weapons or tactical doctrine bolt rifles which you're better off just hiding from at this point (unless they're like manticors ofc). In ITC tournaments as far as I know you can choose which unit to put enhanced resistance on at the start of each individual match if you're buying it with CP, so you can always just switch it to your warriors if you see a lot of LoS ignoring AP-2 multi-damage in your opponents list. I kinda just went off on one there and couldn't stop myself from going off topic haha. I'll leave it as it is though, 'tis food for thought.
@TheMultipleJakes4 жыл бұрын
@@Zach0451 yeah you are right we should all just play space marines .
@Zach04514 жыл бұрын
@@TheMultipleJakes Nah, not what I said at all. We should probably pay attention to what things cost for what they offer though, and tyranid warriors are simply too expensive when compared to similar units from other factions.
@eacey4 жыл бұрын
Hobo Frodo so we should play space marines?
@vaettra15894 жыл бұрын
After the battle report disaster, I think these two guys should've lead this video with a disclosure that "We are not Tyranid players!". Btw, the first list they talk about here at 20 minutes in is 2125pts in 9th ed - Swarmlord, Malanthrope, 120 Gants, 18 Zoanthropes and 6 Hive Guards. I get the second list to 2303pts in 9th ed - 50 Genestealers, 6 Hive Guards, 9 Biovores, 3x3 Ripper Swarms, and assuming a Neurothrope, a Malanthrope, and a Broodlord (for all those Genestealers). Makes you wonder what weird point levels they've been playing. If you're going to bang the play tester drum, first make sure you know what you're talking about and that you recomment correct army lists. The concepts aren't bad though.
@johnbray97703 жыл бұрын
Could be playing off PL
@garrettharrell50844 жыл бұрын
So nothing has changed... A fast moving horde army that we are encouraged to play passive with. Mal with HG and gants is still one of the best lists with the edition of bios. IMO the best way to play nids is boreing. Just sitting back and wait instead of charging and using your speed was lame in 8th and I hated every game because I feel forced to play thus way. I hope the point changes are not too bad. So maybe warrior's and raveners will be wirth bringing. And I still don't see the point of bringing any monsters but the terv and cans. Carns can have a decent b.s. and S for guns. And tervigon can keep the troops coming, or do we have to pay for the troops coming back from the tervigons ability even if it's replenishing an existing unit?
@Gnarlf4 жыл бұрын
Do you want to fully charge your oponents army instead and ram it into the ground? Take massive ammounts of hormagaunts, spread them out in their frontline and then do a multi-not multi charge. Somehow nobody talks about the fact, that you can still pile into a unit, that you haven't cahrged. Sure you can't attack them, but that is not the reason you charge it. You just bind them up, so they can't do what they want and next round you slam a bunch of carnifexes into them. If you want to play a thematic and fluffy army, then just do that. it is still better than before, because your units can't be shot as easily as before. And if your oponent is loading up with blast-tanks then guess what. Those things can't shoot into combat, so they are f... if you touch them as they were previously.
@garrettharrell50844 жыл бұрын
@@Gnarlf this is pretty much what I do already. But it's not as affective as other lists. Im happy with the overwatch rule changes, but I was just hoping that tyranids would get a bit more diverse or have other strats that don't rely on geanstealers. If your runing an assult focused army. This week will be our groups firat time testing the newer rules we know, so I'll have a better grasp of the changes then.
@nathanieleck10234 жыл бұрын
Gnarlf, sadly this list suffers against armies like knights, who can just ignore the hormaguants and just dunk on anything with more than 1 wound, guard can just set up multiple layers of screens and blast it off the table, with the new changes to eldar, it’s unlikely the bugs can break down the wave serpent, and space marines, well, space marines roflstomp everything. So this list is fun and thematic, but it just struggles to deal with armies that can either outmelee it or can set up good enough screens. Because it relies too much on cheap melee units and not durable monsters. So sadly, this one probably isn’t super competitive.
@JustinDynamicD4 жыл бұрын
@@Gnarlf how is it better than before when infantry cost more so you bring less, blast let's the enemy kill more on approach, and vehicles can keep engaging in melee even after you tie them?
@garrettharrell50844 жыл бұрын
As I said before. Today I tested the new rules and even took point changes into consideration. Fought eldar bail'tan (sorry for messed up name) I did hive fleet leviathan (would have bin better with jorm) 2 units of 11 termagants (flesh borers) toxinsack 2 units of 4 warriors (deathspitters) toxinsack 3 biovores 3 venoms 1 unit of 9 rippers Tervigon and tyranid prime. Biovores are better and against infantry or key targetscan be great for keeping units from walking free. Warriors are good with 3 woumds and same stats as primaris. And even better with the prime. Gants were nothing special but my oponant was infantry heavy, so single minded annihilation/scorch bugs is still good for that. Venoms actualy did very well for keeping my people safe when moving to the OBJ. And rippers are another good distraction or holding OBJ. Yes I did win, but becides the biovores being usefull. I didnt win by swarming my opponant. I won because I held points. Yes a win is a win. But it was just a boreing game. IMO. point changes or no, the way to win with bugs is to survive and hold OBJ. I think termagants, rippers and biovores are gonna be the best to do this. Spend 1 CP to deepstrike rippers and lock up a unit. And use a big blob of biovores(6) to do the same with mines to another. Then sit on the OBJ with termigants and a venomthrope. But if you are like me, then warriors with death spitters and hormigaunts with toxinsack if you wanna play agro, and throw the adaptive phisiology that gives talons a -1ap. AND USE BIOVORES
@lt.clifforthz39424 жыл бұрын
Sounds like there is going to be some major changes to this army in 9th, Otherwise how would they keep this army from disappearing, Unless.... thats what GW wants
@Cha-Khia4 жыл бұрын
If the only army they have that's worth bringing ends up being primaris marines, the game dies and GW with it. I doubt they want to "get rid of" any faction, but with the direction they're going the game as a whole may die before any one faction does.
@Shaabhekh4 жыл бұрын
@@Cha-Khia - agreed. ive been a die hard Imperial fan since i started with 40k; and always found myself coming back to SM's for various reasons even after looking at other armies. Now though its just plain boring to be a SM player. i mean, yeh you've got new toys and constant updates but this isnt the Horus Heresy (again) where its astartes vs astartes, its supposed to be 40k where you fight various factions. I just hope that once the Primaris get their new models released, we'll see some love for the rest of the factions because as i said, its boring when the meta is filled with the same thing over and over again :/
@JustinDynamicD4 жыл бұрын
So after the point hike leak ... I dunno. Nid Infantry got a 20% price hike on average, the biovore saw a whopping 25% hike in price so that screen trick and geometry just got expensive. In contrast the acid spitting Tyranofex is only a 9% cost hike, dakka-fexes only 5%, and in general nidzilla shooters are very cost effective. Tyranid army is no longer a horde/swarm army, that's for sure.
@tomgilesmarvoloryley4 жыл бұрын
they increased hive guard by like 120%, probably hitting primaris sales
@Kerberus2624 жыл бұрын
@@tomgilesmarvoloryley Shockannons are 0 and Impalers down, net change is +1 for shock and something like +5 to +10 for impaler
@Magpie8424 жыл бұрын
Taking this in the context of the points changes, Tyranids are not playable competitively. Which I don't really care about. What I do care about, is that they look miserable for balance, which will make my less competitive games lame.
@MrRlsquared4 жыл бұрын
Was looking forward for this video but sad with the content. Obviously nids are in a bad place if they only showed us 2 examples and the rest talking point about biovores.
@wraithlast92014 жыл бұрын
Was kinda obvious after the first thirty seconds what they really are thinking...
@nicholasgogel56064 жыл бұрын
I don't get why tau gets their full over-watch every turn still, But nids don't get an Anti-restriction to the conga rule due to synapse linking. wtf GW why you gotta nerf the nid tendrils
@FREEkdaman4 жыл бұрын
Synapse just needs to be reworked, its a cool idea that makes the army weaker in the end. Having to hide your big bugs to not lose it is kind of anit-thematic, often causing nids to play passively for a turn or two to maximize their army as a whole.I'm not a nid player, but I hate their rules, always seemed like they couldn't fully unleash like they really would want to.
@dabarrlaboratories64054 жыл бұрын
4th ed.. thats when they really were monsters
@Pendraig14004 жыл бұрын
Da Barr Laboratories ah the glory days
@d3rralle9644 жыл бұрын
"They are a lot better. We have a faction focus on them next week along with a battle report." That was your words! They are as shit as always, maybe worse in this edition.
@mon9294 жыл бұрын
Won 2 ITC tournaments with a nidzilla list... they aren’t bottom tier by any means.
@Virmie4 жыл бұрын
@@mon929 those were iron man tournaments, meaning the models that died stayed dead turns out having a gimmick unit that could respawn your infantry would be good
@d3rralle9644 жыл бұрын
@@mon929 Good for you, but only to win with luck is not a real win. Tyranids are to expensive in points and have a lackluster codex!
@kujo2004 жыл бұрын
@@d3rralle964 isn't a game of dice luck?
@ShikiRen4 жыл бұрын
Good thing I never bothered to get into this game back when I first discovered it... Nids being terrible every single damn edition just SUCKS.
@Grimsowerart4 жыл бұрын
I don't get why everyone keeps dissing the nids, I'm here like I've won 18 out of the 20 9e games I've played. Dakafexes with custom hive fleet works so well against everything. Only losses being against cheese of the utmost quality.
@badbishop10494 жыл бұрын
This just depressed me enough to consider shelving my tryranids for 9th. Hold the board? Again for this edition to? Really?? I'm tired of playing defensive and just try to hold objectives all the time with nids to try to win a few games. Boring play style. No aggression. They've pulled the teeth outta the nids slowly since 5th and that doesn't look like its changing anytime soon.
@corbintheintern62294 жыл бұрын
I hope the codex fixes the 'Nids. Give us ways to not get shot off the table turn 0, but please keep us aggressive. The Drukhari are a good example: They're fast, lightly armored, and hit like a truck. 'Nids are fast, lightly armored, and hit like a used tissue. Make Carnifex either hurtier or tankier. Make Hive Tyrant actually good. Please, GW. Stop buffing Space Marines and give us SOMETHING.
@insanemang99834 жыл бұрын
Cant wait for the new codex to drop! Im just glad "blast" weapons cant be used in melee so the zerg rush is still there just gotta get to the model before it blows everything away 😆.
@JimboTauJones4 жыл бұрын
I am selling my tyranid Army on ebay. Not because they are bad but because I want to build another one!
@awesperanza22524 жыл бұрын
I’m interested!!
@RobotHouse8883 жыл бұрын
Ok I'm new to the whole table top aspect of WH40K. I am in the process of research and purchasing my first Tyranids army. Also I hear them talking about there list of units in the army but it would be real nice if someone could assist me in having a actual List typed down of what one would need. Instead of them just saying it. Something to look back on and check off
@valaquenta2204 жыл бұрын
I haven't started watching the video yet. Let me guess, is the answer "don't play them"?
@vladsimpaler4 жыл бұрын
Have you guys been playtesting Tyranids against Iron Hands Executioners on unchargeable platforms?
@Mystero94 жыл бұрын
Biovores are infantry, so just move them back and forth and you are missing 2/3 of the time ;) spore mines for days
@insanemang99834 жыл бұрын
Which is actually beneficial since you can stop enemy charges and shooting that way.
@rf-cattleprod62074 жыл бұрын
You can tell this edition is going to suck when testers have to tell us it's good. I was halfway through painting an army when 9th was officially announced, I stopped completely. I even stopped painting side projects for other armies I had. I just pushed models into a box, stored them in a corner and cleaned up my workstation. It's been weeks. I no longer care about anything coming out for 40k currently. I keep listening to people try an pump up this edition but it makes me feel like if it needs this much life blown into it, it's probably going to be awful. 40k is going to be a bloated corpse of what it should be. 9th edition is New Coke. It's freakin Crystal Pepsi. This is like the time I drove a stolen car through a neighbor's yard and all my parents could say was, "Why? Why did you do that? None of this makes sense." GW is me, 9th is that guy's car and I am now my parents. Thanks, GeeDub, I didn't need that.
@harrycox8044 жыл бұрын
I can't tell if this is an ironic comment or not
@rf-cattleprod62074 жыл бұрын
@@harrycox804 It's not.
@Shaabhekh4 жыл бұрын
i feel ya :/ was looking at trying to get into 40k again with 9th but with the obscene amount of clout regarding SM's (and the stupid amount of OP'ness they get) i cant really be arsed. And then looking at AoS and how downtrodden it feels in comparison to 40k, lol. If it aint SM then it aint worth GW's attention really, and i find that both appalling and sad, and im an avid Imperial fan. the new Primaris stuff looks cool, but theres too much of it all at once. and its only going to get worse in the coming months as they get their 9th ed 'dex, the new rules and abilities that work with 9th thst further unbalance the game in their favour... /sigh guess GW dont want everyones money like we seem to think, haha
@rf-cattleprod62074 жыл бұрын
@@Shaabhekh Well geedubs said it, 'if you don't like it, you won't be missed.'
@19Demolisher872 жыл бұрын
New Tyranid named character: Hobo. Hold the Board! Hold Board! Hol Boar! Hobo!
@davidwasilewski4 жыл бұрын
Having just re-watched this video: you know when you’re in trouble when you need tactics tips on how to shovel off your miniatures...
@Yoyoman9964 жыл бұрын
I think a huge unit of warriors COULD have potential this edition. I feel like there's always some guy who tries to make warriors work, but hear me out. 9 jormungandr warriors with enhanced resistances, catalyst, and in malanthrope/venomthrope range could be really hard to deal with. Ignoring -1/-2 AP, a 3+ save w/ 5+ FNP and -1 to hit. You can pop the -1 dmg stratagem if they are about to get blasted by something seriously terrifying like a leviathan etc.
@KurtTheReturn4 жыл бұрын
Wasn't that good in last edition, much worse now with Blast and new Coherency changes for >5 units
@agsystems82204 жыл бұрын
People will need to build with primaris in mind, and anything that can handle primaris can rip warriors to shreds. Having an unkillable 9 man unit is also a bit pointless, because warriors are never going to be doing enough damage to force the enemy to deal with them. The enemy can mostly just ignore them and kill everything else.
@Kodaiva3 жыл бұрын
Cheap troops? 55 bucks for three warriors. 70 dollars for 3 tyrant/hive guard.
@insanemang99834 жыл бұрын
Wish the exocrine could shoot stuff out of line of sight.
@timothywillox85643 жыл бұрын
Yea, like a mortar shot
@afofficer4 жыл бұрын
Why didn’t you mention Tyranid warriors? If you give them the adaptive physiology of ap -1 and -2 is 0 there save will be a 4 up plus the stratagem that reduces damage by one against tyrand warriors (one cammand point). You can give them catylist. 5 up feel no pain. Those guys should be the one on obgectives
@hhugooooo4 жыл бұрын
Zoanthropes do it better for not many more points.
@drakor984 жыл бұрын
Hugo Santos Zoanthropes are way more expensive than warriors are, at 40 points a model versus 25 for a kitted out warrior. But they also don’t have ObSec, so if someone tries to hold an objective with elites, like you’re doing with the ‘thropes, the warriors would take priority.
@TheDisastronaut3 жыл бұрын
Their mouths are saying one thing, but their eyes say it all, I hope this new codex helps our bugs out :(
@Ibin7464 жыл бұрын
Man I love the yellow you used.
@olractrooprev52374 жыл бұрын
Hey guys, what do you think of this 1000p starterlist: HQ: Neurothrope Troops: 3x warriors with boneswords and deathspitters Elites: 2x 3 hive guards Heavy support: 2 Exocrines 1002p. I wanted a more elite list and thought these were really good units. Also I would use hive fleet kronos for the re rolling 1’s!
@ogsnoop21264 жыл бұрын
Pretty good list. The only thing I would change is to make the Hive guard one unit. Nids generally like to be in bigger blobs for psychic powers, strategems, and adaptive physiology. The Hive guard are a good unit to give either dynamic camouflage or enhanced resistance.
@olractrooprev52374 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yes I was thinking of doing that but I thought when I have 2 units, I could play the objective game better! But I think you are right and its better for them! Thanks for your feedback!
@CloudianMH4 жыл бұрын
Kraken Genestealers, advancing, moving again with onsalught charging, fighting, consolidation and 2CP to fight again. small board, tying up a couple of units, wiping out at least 1. Imagine it, embrace it.
@Pendraig14004 жыл бұрын
Bro you for forgot the most broken of all *look in the book at the swarmlords ability*
@robertklonowski66074 жыл бұрын
We're gonna need a bonus battle report of the soul crushing tyranid list just swamping some marines
@poolatka4 жыл бұрын
I think i'd run a lot of hormagaunts because of pressuring them to use cp to overwatch.
@birdiemcchicken14713 жыл бұрын
I played a casual 1100pts battle with a friend vs. Imperial Guard. I killed about 173pts worth of guard. They tabled my entire army (Literally everything except a couple Zonethropes cowering behind cover at the back) By turn 3.
@Scortch-lo3xy3 жыл бұрын
holy fuck...
@karlbastos28004 жыл бұрын
I don't approve of these changes
@benhadaway33224 жыл бұрын
Everyone is forgetting about warriors. Will need to look at Leviathan or Jormagundr instead of kraken Kronos. That will give resilience. Us the warriors adaptation and stratagems. This brings the army to the MSU style 9th appears to be favoring. Nid players are just stuck on the kraken GS swarm with Kronos shooting. Gonna have to rethink.
@Cha-Khia4 жыл бұрын
I used warriors a lot actually, played as either Kraken (I really like melee) or Leviathan (the FnP is alright, but I like the strats and relic the most), and Kronos was/is to good to pass up, even now I think. I'm not much of a competitive player, but I had more than a few games where I get tabled regardless of what I bring in turn 3-4, that wasn't fun, and with the points increases, changes to objectives, and the lack of staying power Nids have, I don't think 9th will be a good start of Nids, I hold out some hope it will get better, but GW's recent history doesn't favor that kind of thinking.
@vidarthorsby20523 жыл бұрын
The yellow colour is really good.
@danilociancolini55224 жыл бұрын
QUESTION: when the leaks about the full rules of actions was published i noticed a thing that i found...strange we can say. When a character perfoming an action is aura abilities switch off until the action ends, but on tyranids this means that his synapse too go off and almost all character are synaptic creature...is a really strict interpretetion or is really like this? Is probable to see an FAQ on this at the release? thank for the help and sorry for my bad english xD
@Gnarlf4 жыл бұрын
Good spot. Not sure if it counts for psychic actions as well.
@CA-qs5iu4 жыл бұрын
In summary; if you play Nids in 9th your not going to have a good time..
@redemption101caleb2 жыл бұрын
Really want to start playing this game
@SkaredCast4 жыл бұрын
Great job !
@rockitgamer4 жыл бұрын
I know folks have been calling them "Dakka-Fex" for a while, but I still know them as "Devil-Fex". I'm looking forward to them having a strong role again as well as MSU Warrior broods and having a lot of troops choices on the board to control the battlefield objectives. Seems like high model count armies will have great potential, in a little different flavor than the big swarmy brood lists - but with a few big swarmy units being good to mix in. Thinking of the possibilities!
@tigersympathiser22654 жыл бұрын
Just waiting for them to inevitably get a Primaris treatment aka a new line of Tyranids. Unlike with SM there won't be an argument on if they're getting replaced though. Primaris Tyrant Guard for instance?
@HunterMearo4 жыл бұрын
They starting to push GSC a fair bit in recent times.
@tobyphillips9914 жыл бұрын
Now I hate gw for ruining my favourite army in the game
@sebl52594 жыл бұрын
Good old Geoff's nids... 🙏🏻🙏🏻
@d-emprahexpects3 жыл бұрын
I just got alpha struck off the board turn 1 and totally wiped away turn 2. Killed 3 models. Vs Imperial Guard shooty army rerolling like Gesus would. The guy ignored all terrain rules cause too hard for him and I want being competitive whatsoever, never have. Very friendly game as you can imagine... Lots of fun when 1 person wants a friendly game and the other brings an optimised list..
@d-emprahexpects3 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah and I'll add that I'm a noob at playing. Been collecting for ages but rarely played. First 9th game. And he made me charge over the longer side of they board. I honestly felt cheated, that's why I don't usually play games with my collections
@jamesclemson73464 жыл бұрын
Aren't those Geoff's yellow nids?
@haydenmcclure6224 жыл бұрын
i thought the same thing.
@Drstrangelove5514 жыл бұрын
Those are definitely Geoff's nids i painted some of those models.
@sojourn55674 жыл бұрын
That's cool! I didn't even know he played Nids. I actually used to play against him a lot in sc2. Really miss him :'( I started playing warhammer and took tyranid.
@johnbontadelli42284 жыл бұрын
He won a GT in Redding years ago with them.
@magicmanscott40k4 жыл бұрын
It seems like they have the same playstyle as death guard which is cool cuz I was planning on building both.
@TheWinterman334 жыл бұрын
For issues deploying it seems like the new reserve rules and lictors may be of use. Keep some bodies in reserve and use phermone trail start to have flex in deployment. I know you guys are down on deepstrike with the smaller boards but bugs seem better able to make use of it.
@magicmanscott40k4 жыл бұрын
So there famous for dying, but on the books, they were hard to kill. Great. I wish they were better.
@jonathanbellew42974 жыл бұрын
I have a massive 6k worth of nids but never played them in 8th. I could never figure out how to make a nid list
@akselhansen3044 жыл бұрын
Small yellow models on a white table is really poor visually for the camera
@DiceyRolls4 жыл бұрын
17:47 Biovores are indeed infantry... it seems a small consolation, though :-)
@innocentbystander3094 жыл бұрын
Help a fellow 'Nid player out. I picked a bad time to make a Nid list, it seems like the whole world is sold out. I'm trying to get my hands on an Exocrine, Tyrannofex, and a Maleceptor. Even a basic Carnifex at this point would be a blessing. Spent a lot of money on models that I can't even make battle-forged because halfway through I was running into "Out of stock". Any ideas? #inthehivemindwetrust
@Cha-Khia4 жыл бұрын
Half the line has been sold out for about 2 years, try finding recast/3d prints. Unless you want official models, in which case you're out of luck.