How to Play Your POCKET TENS Versus an UNKNOWN

[@BlackRain79Poker]

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[@nayolcenacambo7540]

He played it well. An alternative play would have been a min-raise on the turn, with the intention of slowing him down in order to steal a turn card. If he had re-raised, given the preflop action and the J high board, I would have to fold. And if he had just called (as a slowplay, just like he did at 3:20), well all the money would still go in the middle.

[@Noashakra]

He 3 bets from the blinds with J9o the UTG guy, I would love to have this guy in my games :)

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Yup good games :)

[@jaredfehrens6988]

Definitely a good game to be at but he would be a tough player to play against

[@Noashakra]

@@jaredfehrens6988 You can beat those kind of fishes by playing ABC poker man. Especially if you have the position on them.

[@fundiver198]

@@Noashakra Maniacs are tough to play against in the sense, that they create a lot of variance, so they require a deep bankroll, as does Zoom games.

[@jaredfehrens6988]

Noashakra that’s for sure. That’s how I make most of my money playing against unaware loose fish. But considering he played the hand perfectly postfop (emphasis on post flop) I think if he’s an aware player, combating these loose aggressive players is tough man. They’ll just whittle you away and win the big pots and let you have the small pots when they feel you’re strong

[@dadacrv]

I like your advice on this runout, Bigger turn bet, But how much 2/3 pot, 1/2 pot? just a bad river 😢 it happens

[@fundiver198]

Nice hand and overall I think, Jens played it well. Preflop there is really not much to say, completely standard bet-call. The flop is close between calling and folding, and I would probably lean a little bit towards folding. We do clearly only have a bluff catcher, and even his bluffs like AK, AQ have 25% equity with two more cards to come. Folding create less variance and allow us to Zoom on to the next hand without wasting our brain power on a marginal spot like this. On the turn the small bet is in accordance with modern theory, but I am a bit of an old school guy, so personally I would still use a larger bet size here for the reasons, Nathan mention. On the river what is there to say? Standard cooler spot, cry me a river. Even if Jens bet half pot, of course the Villain is going to raise, and Jens is going to call it off. Finally I want to say, that I have more or less stopped playing Zoom on PokerStars. The reason is, I got beat up pretty badly at 10NL and 16NL, and I just think, you are better off playing the regular tables. Its quite expensive in rake to play 10-25NL on PokerStars, and for all that money I simple want to give myself the best possible chance to find and beat the recreational players. Nathan has been preaching game selection, table selection and seat selection for years, and he really has a point. It can be tiring at times, but if your goal is to win, there is no way around it. In this particular hand it might not have made a difference, but overall its just so much better to know, this is some sort of recreational goofball, than having to play against him as an unknown.

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Thanks for your thoughts Lars and of course I agree heavily with the part about table selection and playing regular tables :)

[@MaydayAggro]

I love your comments!

[@Dariusknight]

I agree with folding the flop, only because villain 3bet and versus an unknown player, I'm going to likely give him credit for an overpair, especially when he c-bets. Sure, he could be c-betting with AK/AQ or a combo draw, but there's better spots to be playing this hand in position where we have enough information to continue. The turn I'd personally have checked behind. Sure, we have a set, but so many draws got there and rather than set ourselves up to auto shove, I'd rather exercise pot control and check back and then see what villain does on the river. If he checks again, sure I'll bet and then fold to a shove, because why is he check-raising the river if he doesn't have a better boat? If he bets, then I'd call and at least I'm losing the least

[@fundiver198]

@@Dariusknight As played I would bet the turn. If he check-shove with a flush or straight, so be it, at least we have 10 outs to fill up. But I dont love the situation on the flop. We are either way behind or only slightly ahead with a hand, that will rarely improve and cant handle any further pressure. As you say, he is an unknown, and we dont even have top pair. Which among other things mean, we dont block any of his value.

[@MaydayAggro]

The fear of this kind of bad beat is what used to scare me into checking the turn and river. You and JL have talked me out of that fear. Thanks! Also, this is in the middle of his range, not the top, until that second jack hits. Top would be flop sets, right?

[@Noashakra]

No, the top of your range is 2 pairs and sets. He blocks many sets with his hand, so you are only really afraid of pocket 5. The middle of your range would be top pair (you can consider TPTK to be the top too depending on the situation) and combo draws on the flop.

[@fundiver198]

@@Noashakra When a flush and a straight is possible, a set or two pair is not the top of anybodys range.

[@Noashakra]

@@fundiver198 it can totally be... It depends on the situation (like in 3 or 4 bet pots, and with 100bb).

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Thanks Eric glad this vid helped. I know that feeling!

[@fundiver198]

@@Noashakra Then you are saying, that people only play pocket pairs in 3-bet pots. That is simply not true in general, and certainly not at 6-max.

[@an.unarmed.civilian]

note that villian is 3betting with J9o out of position.

[@fundiver198]

Yeah clearly some "fun" player, which got his bone this time.

[@BlackRain79Poker]

I would take a note of that right away as well.

[@virtualsnake1994]

Especialy against an early position open. If it was agaisnt a button open then it would be different.

[@alphabett66]

There's a couple of reasons the turn bet could be good, but they depend on the villains competency. 1. Better price for bluffs. If Hero is betting 100% on the turn, betting small makes sense. 2. Bluffs get better geometry on river--gets more folds with bigger river shove. I would not do this at 2nl or 5nl because the players are more inelastic, and don't pay attention to ranges; there's no point making range decisions if you don't get exploited. Is 25nl still bad enough to get away with exploitable bet size?

[@BlackRain79Poker]

I don't worry about exploitable bet sizing or anything like that at stakes this low especially versus an unknown. I just make a 2/3 pot bet on the turn here for value.

[@nyderalin3644]

What is the lowest pair you guys open from utg? Just wondering. Great video as always

[@fundiver198]

At 6-max its generally fine to open any pair from any position. Maybe in some very tough games, its good to raise the standards a bit, but its not a big deal either way. At full ring I typically fold 22-44 from UTG and sometimes also 55-66. I am more inclined to fold, if there are calling stations or aggressive 3-betters to my left.

[@MaydayAggro]

@@fundiver198 I usually open all of these, especially with calling stations, because you'll usually end up with a good sized preflop pot with players who play straightforward and over fold otf.

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Thanks glad you enjoyed! I usually open all pairs in 6max from UTG but fold 22-55 in full ring from these seats.

[@carpetbilly]

@@BlackRain79Poker Even with 2 fish on the button and late position? You would fold before the flop?

[@dirkroos1146]

That hurts and its just unbelievable, but yeah it happends.

[@postlezone-god5173]

you said that there are people who would look at this board and might think of checking behind on the turn with set of tens- blackraine can you give me some info about this people- like phone numbers or skype, i would love to play with them- thanks agan.

[@nonegiven]

There are people who play scared and would check here with a flush and such an obvious straight. The mini 3$ bet is nearly the same, looks like he was scared of the board, if you were villain here you could probably reraise him and push him off or at least push him off on the river.

[@postlezone-god5173]

@@nonegiven yeahhh but you are going to lose your money any way - if you are scared of betting your hand - dont play poker - poker is a game that involves risk - many times you will not be sure that you have the best hand , but you have to bet - i dont think scared is the right word, i think is weak logical thinking and bad understanding of the game .

[@sergiohernandez9736]

Hi, i would check behind. But i play against even worse players

[@postlezone-god5173]

@@sergiohernandez9736 you just get scared bro- just bet big - if he has flush or streit you gonna lose - thats poker

[@MrMartinmozz]

Love the way people send you all their bad beat hands lol Ah 8:00 some one has already said that lol

[@maxjenicscw]

This situation has happened to me MANY times...NEVER against good players, ALWAYS fish 😐

[@yaris684]

This is why I get so scared with Zoom, theres just no way of knowing

[@samuelecrotti9456]

Maybe the 3dollar and change was just a misclick!

[@BlackRain79Poker]

It is possible. I don't think Jens mentioned that in the email. Maybe he will comment here though and clarify.

[@peterkowalczyk872]

I see in this case a lot of Bad playing. First you should not call his 3 bet preflop. What hands he could have? Aa kk qq ? And you call so behind? After the turn came and you not believed he had flush,you should gone all in! Then u told you havent any information about him? So why you call his preflop bet?

[@postlezone-god5173]

Jesus Christ man- 3 dollars on the turn- man what is that bet- its like a check. come on man, just bet 7-8 or even pot on turn and shove river - but 3 dollars thats like 30% of the pot - pretty fishy - i am sorry

[@fundiver198]

Its not exactly fishy, but rather what some modern theory suggest, that we do with our entire range. I am not totally convinced also though. I think, the theory dont consider pot geometry very much, and also at 25NL I still expect, most players will have some tendency to make calling mistakes in a spot like this. So why not go a bit larger, when we are likely to have the best hand.

[@postlezone-god5173]

@@fundiver198 bro what the fuck are you talking about- mothern theory- our range and shit - you are not playing 50-100 on stars against OTB redbaron or Linnusllove - pot geometry hahah really, just bet big for value and take his money thats my theory- you dont have to play perfect balanced strategy - thats 25 nl you are playing aganst a guy who 3bets early position open with J-9 off

[@fundiver198]

@@postlezone-god5173 I am just trying to explain, that this is not a fishy bet size but rather a very advanced bet size. And maybe to advanced for a game like 25NL Zoom against an unknown.

[@postlezone-god5173]

@@fundiver198 ok its not a fishy bet size is pretty advanced i agree- its a high level shit- probably gto will aprove this sizing (Kappa)

[@fundiver198]

@@postlezone-god5173 It has always annoyed me, when bad players make their silly undersized bets, and I have a hand, that I would much rather either take a free card with or fold to a real bet. It just feel so silly to sit there and pay off whatever nonsense, they have, that a good player would just have checked. But at the same time you cant fold a hand, which is likely to have at least some equity, when they are giving you 10:1. However with world class players using small bet sizes more and more these days, I have to admit, that maybe the bad players were just ahead of their time LOL.