How to prevent RAM Cummins 6.7L engine failure due to stock grid heater

[@mccarterjg]

Here at the utility company I work at we've already lost about 1/4 of our motors to this.

[@james10739]

Well you know what to put on the other 3/4

[@utboilerman]

What was the average mileage on the 1/4 of the fleet that experienced this failure?

[@james10739]

@@utboilerman ya I mean no one wants to spend a couple hundred or thousand more one something you spent like $60 k plus but it is basically a drop in the bucket

[@scottdowney4318]

Pretty awful and know it was planned this way too. I have a 5.9 and no problems

[@carl2591]

.25 of how many? .25% of 5 is a lot, but .25% of 50 is not as bad.

[@Welcometofacsistube]

I'm a true mopar fan boy but manufacturers need to be held accountable for crap like this

[@YourLordMobius]

Class action lawsuits are sometimes quite necessary.

[@james10739]

How long does this take because they said corrosion right I mean if so and obviously it's a known thing it doesn't seem like replacing it or going with the banks solution is any more of a manufacturer thing than a timing belt you have to replace every 100k

[@customconnections2425]

Technically not MOPAR tho, in this particular piece. Cummins should be slapped for this actually

[@fredtflail]

5 year 100k warranty covers that. Maybe get your vehicle looked at when the check engine light comes on instead of driving it until it explodes. I've been. Working for FCA for 9 years. I've never seen that failure I've replaced tons of grid heaters.

[@fredtflail]

@@customconnections2425 is the engine supposed to last until the end of time? That's actually a pretty rare failure. Worked for Chrysler 9 years never had one of those failures in the shop.

[@franklindmurphy]

Bought mine yesterday. Waiting for it to come in. Unbelievable that the stock grid heater was even designed that way. Mind Blowing.

[@tonyboneize]

You have any updates on your Cummings from BANKS?? (2019 ram 2500)

[@qalv97]

Does it run better ?

[@jasonkeim]

My grid heater bolt came off in the mechanics hand during Monster Ram installation. I was watching as it happened. I was extremely lucky. Don't wait. Change it out .

[@1Peter321]

Should this be replaced on brand new trucks under warranty?

[@qalv97]

@@1Peter321no

[@greygoose4x46]

What year was your truck

[@qalv97]

@@1Peter321 no only when the truck has over 150k miles

[@qalv97]

@@greygoose4x46 2013 to 2018

[@robleo69]

Been a Banks follower since 95. Stay healthy Gale and keep'em coming. You are an irreplaceable legend.

[@kayfairlie4458]

No better person on the planet hell yes to Mr. Banks !!

[@jr0079]

He reminds me of Carol Shelby genius legend innovation in automotive. RIP

[@jumpoffjoe6572]

I've just purchased a new 23 3500 dually 4x4 maga cab and now have 700 miles on it. This upgrade will be done immediately. I love the power of this 6.7 now, can't wait to feel what this adds.

[@qalv97]

Did you do it ?

[@MeriBadger]

7:07 amazing shot, ive never gone for a ride on a piston before 🤩

[@mlevesque3022]

I had to move in from the 6.7 when the def system failed 3 times in 28k miles. Parts couldn’t be found or ordered for 4 months. Loved the truck, just couldn’t wait

[@qalv97]

What happened to it? Mine has 300k miles and haven’t had problems as much

[@lg8932]

Some good ole boys from Kamloops, BC helping out Gale Banks to explain this issue, how cool! 😎👊🏻

[@Electro489]

Thank you for this video! This has been a time-bomb for so many Gen-4 Ram/Cummins owners.

[@sweetpigfarm3645]

I am in MD and HD industry I claim warranty all day long on cleaning the intake it's very common for the grid heater to plug up solid. Have not seen many bolt failures but I see the superiority in Bank's design

[@ronunderwood5771]

Will the Banks part work on an MD/HD vehicle?

[@sweetpigfarm3645]

@@ronunderwood5771 doubt due to positioning of cac tubing

[@imatt6566]

Curious why this sounds like a 6.7L issue, and not also 5.9L?

[@01Z06guy]

There are two giant questions this video does not cover: 1) How well does the coil heater work? How cold can ambient temps get before the less effective heater becomes a problem? 2) What is the failure rate of the coil in relation to the grid heater bolt? I see a metal coil that will repeatedly heat and cool for years. If it fails, its going into the intake just as the bolt does. Common sense tells me its MORE likely to fall apart than the factory bolt. Lastly, does a deleted truck have the same risk, or does the delete remove the conditions that cause the corrosion failure in the first place?

[@williamroberts8550]

All I can say is I have it on my truck and I live in New England and it works just as well as the factory grid heater. A regular delete doesn't remove it it's under the intake horn and really blocks air flow. It is definitely worth the money and it's really not that hard to do. I did mine in 5 hours with no leaks or anything

[@alexlindekugel8727]

well id imagine just like glow plugs of old has to be replaced every so often thats just common sense. as far as cold starting if live in cold climate should already have a block heater and winter fuel oil aka #1 deiseal.

[@01Z06guy]

@@alexlindekugel8727 I don't live in a cold climate but I do off grid camping in cold climate at times.

[@djgodden]

Just another reason to rely on Banks. I had the intake installed by Banks a month after it's release. I'm towing a fifth wheel and it's been great.

[@carpainter2929]

I just can’t believe there hasn’t been a recall on this yet.

[@josemejia6645]

It will more likely become a class action lawsuit when enough people have complained or paid into one. Recalls come about by documented and public complains that force the manufacturer to do something in order to fix their reputation and keep sales going. When consumers do nothing than nothing happens.

[@johngonzales1845]

Banks is the BEST in the diesel business...you can take that to the bank!!!

[@ratoncolorado7227]

That seems more like a class action lemon design. Good thing there is a readily available update and improvement.

[@PorscheRacer14]

Just installed this on my old 2009. New heater coil works great out here in western Canada!

[@Derekfish]

What Temps are you seeing in the winter. I've been contemplating this but heard rumors the glow plug doesn't work that good in -20⁰C nevermind -40⁰C. What's your thoughts ?

[@PorscheRacer14]

I see weeks of minus 40C, sometimes down minus 60C on the prairies. At that point, you have to have the block heater plugged in, battery blankets, strong batteries and so forth. It's always started but takes a bit longer to smooth out versus the grid heater. When it's really cold I'll cycle the key a few times for half a minute to warm as much air as possible if the truck has been sitting a long time. Other than that, it's always started. Never started then stalled and have to try again.

[@elijahinky]

Gale is awesome. And Banks is a company you can trust 100%. Need more fellas like him.

[@supercuda1950]

Even though I don't have a diesel anything, I find you videos very informative. Also your products seem to be well tested and money smart. I see so many diesel owners pouring out black smoke, while you seem to improve power with less smoke. I have even see "farmers" with their tractors blowing smoke. I can't imagine how much they increase their fuel bill and how much they are harming their engines. Anything to get on KZbin!

[@kevinholman6369]

​@mranonymous3670 good ol KDP. Super easy preventative fix though.

[@mccarterjg]

Do not forget to replace the intake air heater solenoid, your different style intake air heater may be able to hold up to The relay continuing to fail but The Mopar intake solenoid is the reason why the Cummins intake manifold heater fails. You could get by with just replacing the solenoid as a preemptive, but I highly recommend doing both the banks ram and the solenoid

[@cookingwithjesus]

Can you expand on the solenoid problem?. What do you look for to fail the solenoid when its still functional

[@scottdowney4318]

@@cookingwithjesus Problem is it sticks ON. Other thing is unless it is cold outside, you dont even need a grid heater. I start my 5.9 Cummins without waiting and it will start right up even very cold outside too. I mean if it is freezing out, it may crank longer.

[@Da9guy1993]

could we just unplug the solenoid so it never runs again? will it give a check engine light?

[@mccarterjg]

@@Da9guy1993 you can unbolt the stud off of the solenoid to the heater and leave the solenoid plugged in otherwise, The ECM will still receive the resistance through the coil thinking it's still hooked up. There is an updated part number for that relay through Dodge. But I also do like the idea of this intake system if I had one of these myself just for that gain of efficiency Make the turbo work less

[@scottdowney4318]

@@Da9guy1993 yes, it will trigger the light. engine will still start if in good condition. It may crank longer if it is really cold outside. What you can do is connect a dummy load to the wires to fool the computer.

[@edsmachine93]

Great tip. Thanks for sharing. I for one, owning a 6.7 needs to make this change. Thank you Mr.Banks. Take care, EM.

[@imatt6566]

I wondering why this is more prone on the 6.7L?

[@frederickjeremy]

You know i wanted a diesel truck for 20 years before i finally found one I could afford. I told myself for 20 years, i can’t afford that. After buying a 2003 ram 3500 4x4 with 142,000 miles for 16,500$ i learned the hard way that i was right all along i can’t afford it. I descovered the next day while replacing a leaking radiator the used car salesman had most likely filled with stop leak that the truck had been previously wrecked tho tgere was no report of it on any report i found. When i pulled the charge air cooler hoses off i found them full of dirt. The entire intake system had a brown coat of dirt road inside it. I found the culprit was a cracked air cleaner housing surrounded by overspray from the paint job done. Having to leave for my hitch that day and not liking the odds of me murdering a used car salesman whe he inevitably would tell me its my problem I decided to put it back together and take it to work being i had no other means. Freshly married with a kid on the way i needed to get to work. I babied the truck in hopes of making it last until i could save the 4000$ for the parts for me to rebuild it. I made it 12,000 miles before it dropped a valve turning a 4,000$ repair into a 12,000$ repair with me doing the work. While continuing to make 328$ a month payments over the next 3 years and 3 months i spent every waking moment and spare penny in my shop making a computerized truck work with a non computerized 12 valve i had aquired from a buddy who also brought me a 1984 dodge d250 with a gas engine he picked up for 450$ . I put another 300$ into the 1984 and got it road worthy. I used this truck to make parts runs 28 miles into town to eventually get my diesel truck back running a month after i finally paid off the note. For the first time in 3 years i decided i was going fishing, hooked up my boat, got in my newly repaired diesel truck to find the alternator not charging and the ac not working. Probably was a simple problem with the crank sensor bracket I fabricated, or the tone ring i milled into a 12 valve harmonic ballancer, but i was absolutely done with it. Traded it in on my wifes durango for 4500$ I took a screwing getting, owning, and selling that truck, but selling it i vowed that was the last screwing i was taking from a g d diesel truck. Im still driving the 1984 dodge to this day. When the driveline finally does get tired if it doesnt outlive me, i can rebuild or replace for 500$. I have drove that truck almost 10 years and have less than 1000$ in it with no signs of it quitting anytime soon. Diesel trucks are a rich mans game, and i am not a rich man

[@MrSGL21]

a friend of mine's ram 3500 the 6.7 just disintegrated with only 250k on it. unless you are towing, and being paid for it, diesel engines are an absolutely stupid idea. they are maintence pigs and when they break is $$$$ to $$$$$ money. a big block gas v8 is a much better option. yes you'll get terrible fuel economy on the occasion you tow with it, but they are more reliable and when they do break its alot less money.

[@ericb8030]

Have had 100s of 6.7s Cummins come through the shop(not in the dodges), never seen this failure before. Replaced a few for the heating element failing though.

[@jameseroh6544]

Bought this kit for my wife's 2018 Ram 2500 6.7L. When the kit showed up, the truck was at the dealer for an emissions warranty issue. When it came out from the dealer. My time window to work on the installation was gone. I had a scheduled surgery. And hope that the last day or two of my time off from work. Will allow me to Install this kit along with the iDash. I gotta get my daughter and son-in-law to buy this kit for their 2018 3500 6.7L. A friend's son had the bolt failure. And is out $15k for a dealer repair. Has to drive his old truck to continue to run his business.

[@qalv97]

At how many miles do you think I should change mine to banks I’m at 30k miles right now do I need to tune it after or egr delete too?

[@jameseroh6544]

@qalv97 - Your engine has an 8 year 80,000 mile emissions warranty. Fuel quality is an issue with diesels. I run HOT SHOTS SECRET EDT at every fill up. That helps keep the emissions system clean and allows better fuel economy. Do the Bank's Monster Ram Elbow as soon as possible to preserve your engine.

[@208flatbedOO]

My grid heater went out in my 2007 6.7 and when they removed it to replace it, that nut on the inside was about broke off! I've seen it first hand! And i got lucky!

[@dennisgt479]

Thanks for the heads up, I have a 2008, guess I will tear into mine and have a close look, maybe just replace the bolts all together.

[@yerwrng]

I read about this a couple months ago when I replaced my grid heater relay .I never knew this was a thing until reading on that relay I immediately went out and wiggled the bolt stud on the heater luckily it's tight but I beleive we will.be going this route for prevention I only use my ram as a toe rig for my crawler I'm not looking lose an engine for a heater bolt ...I've removed everything else on the 6.7 from factory that cuts engine life and turbo life down with EFI live ...no smoke all clean tunes you'd never know it was just a straight pipe from turbo back besides the decibels ...lol

[@josemejia6645]

No smoke? I’d be interested because deleted of emissions on these almost always creates soot which is low hanging fruit for DOT cops an other agencies looking to bust a deleted truck.

[@yerwrng]

@@josemejia6645 The tunes are generic but I don't know who the person is that tuned that batch of csp 5 but they certainly don't over fuel like a lot of trucks I see .

[@justinmathias2495]

Just got my monster installed yesterday, you can really notice a difference in power. The first one I ordered fedex lost i called up Banks and they had another one sent out immediately. Im a BANKS for life customer. Thanks a million, keep up the good work guys and gals

[@victorperrotta4007]

What do they cost ?

[@qalv97]

Do I need to do a egr delete for banks install?

[@wontsay7923]

@@victorperrotta4007 Get on their website and look, jackass.

[@peterpeter5666]

been a tech for 38 years, and back in the day most diesel engines were bulletproof if you took care of them , things like this make me wonder how they were designed in the first place and how OVER engineered everything is getting

[@tojiroh]

Gale Banks was the man who taught me to cuss whenever I see a Diesel belching black smoke. "Bad goddamn tuning."

[@Garth2011]

Yes siree and at the same time...theres a ton of experts screaming back at us saying "thats how you make them run harder". Those people are the same ones who blow up their engines at some point. I am amazed with the number of "experts" who ignore an overly rich fuel mixture and say they know what they are doing.

[@kustomaf7606]

A STOCK truck would roll coal without the DPF.

[@dougn6465]

@@Garth2011 been “rolling coal” for 500k miles. When is it going to blow up?? U realize older diesels don’t have advanced computers and injection systems? Can’t “tune out” pre spool

[@dougn6465]

Btw the way, my 3rd gen rolls coal with a full banks kit, no other mods 🤦‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Garth2011]

@@dougn6465 Still, its poorly mixed fuel and air. No benefits yielded with black unburned soot.

[@johnmagruder6292]

Should there be a recall,or class action Lawsuit?

[@jacksonwelch9870]

What is it with Cummins and having bolts/ dowels fall into their engines First was the killer dowel pin in the timing cover now this

[@Mountain-Man-3000]

The modern day Killer Dowel Pin.

[@captainmorgan8854]

All I want to say is Thank God for Mr. Banks, God bless you 🙏❤

[@GaryBlankenship96b40]

The first thing i did on my 2022 3500 was install banks horn kit, pedal monster idash and diff cover, and larger intercooler tubes. No after tubes i discovered could not get oil filter out the traditional method. So installed pacbrake oil filter relocation kit. Next is fuel filter kit.

[@gregoryferrell3870]

It nice to see the engineer’s at dodge are screwup’s like the engineers at ford and Chevrolet. Great job To Gale and his team for fixing many problems with these motor issues 👍🏻

[@werberderber6209]

Don't forget Harley, when you buy one of those you need to go thru and change out parts to make it bullet proof,

[@jamieodom7081]

Thanks for the video and I would love to see you build a Cummins in the shop.

[@Jiggy5166]

how cold can temps get before coil spring heater become ineffective?

[@chrisdavis3642]

Another death pin!! OMG. I'm telling everyone about this. Thank you Banks!!

[@AndrewTa530]

Gale is a true legend!

[@mikehd3904]

I had 2000 Durango, pre detonation and had a piston look alot like that! Put one in with motor still in vehicle, dropped oil pan and went un from the bottom👍

[@Garth2011]

Wow, that bolt fatigue design should generate a lot of Monster RAM intake sales just because !

[@trentt559]

I swear Amazon had this product for around $500 like 7 months ago, are they cashing in on loyal fans and new members like myself?

[@macfarms]

what if you just replaced it with a stainless bolt

[@gordie4059]

Banks is always so innovative! Love it

[@ManitowocMan999]

Can the new heater coil rust/corrode and fall into the intake causing the same problem?

[@Sdukes001]

Note to self remove grid heater

[@koryholt4807]

When will killing a duramax come back?

[@ShadowOppsRC]

Right! ! !

[@Ariccio123]

Maybe they can't kill it

[@Springfield-1903]

I've been patiently waiting to see it come back. It's what got me watching the channel in the first place.

[@aaronermis4082]

He gave up. Couldn’t kill it.😎

[@coldhillgarage]

Yes! I want to see more of that!

[@gordowg1wg145]

There was mention in the comments about a class action suite, but if it's that well known a problem I would expect Cummins and the vehicle manufacturers to have it as a service repair item - that would move the onus onto the mechanic/shop doing the service for not doing it, especially if it were a dealership, and the action should/would be against them? that said, I'd be interested to know what material the bolt, nut, etc were made of as it would seem a simple upgrade to a good SS fastener assembly would prevent the failure and a big concern for Cummins' good name?

[@gordowg1wg145]

@Stay Asleep Depends on the stainless alloy, there are several common ones used. That said, why I haven't personally had a problem with SS in other applications, doesn't mean there couldn't be issues here

[@gordowg1wg145]

@Stay Asleep Again, there are many different grades of SS fasteners, with different yield and elongation characteristics - what I think you mean by "mallable", which is different again, meaning easily formed. If you've had problems, either it's the wrong grade/alloy used, an incorrect size, and/or an incorrect application - sometimes you just have to accept a limited service life. It's a little long, and 'techie', but you may find this of interest - nickelinstitute.org/media/4656/ni_aisi_9003_fastenersselection.pdf And there's this supplier who has a much greater range of SS options than I was aware of, if you go down to the last paragraph - itafasteners.com/4-benefits-of-stainless-steel-fasteners.php

[@josemejia6645]

Could it they have used a coil style heater that threads in from the top or the side of the stock intake horn like Banks. Or a bigger or dual old school glow plugs? That grid inside like that is just asking for something to go wrong. Cummins makes the engines but RAM outfits them to work in their trucks with all the emissions stuff piled on.

[@noprob364]

If your engine has experienced this failure please make sure your shop is filing a claim with Cummins or else there is no way for us to track this problem. If there are enough verifiable claims we would investigate and issue a service plan available through your local service center that would correct it.

[@bljuhl1345]

Eye opener, and to call it a diesel engine is almost an insult, pathetic. At least Mr Banks hasn’t given up yet, thanks Gale for your innovation!

[@jeffsikula2920]

My diesel shop ran into that same problem on someone's truck and just dug the bolt out of the piston and shaved .006 off the head put it back together and it was good to go.

[@Unwedsquirrl]

I’m definitely going to be ordering this from my new truck when it comes in the only question I have is will it avoid the warranty keep up the videos I love watching everyone of them

[@jeffgott1530]

I had this banks intake, put on my 67 Cummins at 4000 miles totally deleted, mechanic said, that is the life of these motors

[@upnorthyooper1196]

So how many miles on the truck? That heating element doesn't look like it is going to do near as good of a job as the stock one. At 20 below F, could that cause other problems?

[@yorkchris10]

I've only seen brass fasteners in the intake tract. My motorcycle swallowed a butterfly bolt, but pretty sure it went through exhaust.

[@BradChadley]

Definitely will need to do this at some point. Any word on when the Derringer for '13-'18 Cummins will release?

[@Gregory7518]

i still want a Ram with a Cummins, but that is scary. I'm amazed Dodge/Ram and Cummins have not be forced to issue a recall for this.

[@darryladams519]

Not as prone to happen l I ke they make it out to be. The ones that do have that happen are operating in very cold climates where the grid heater is cycling several times. Follow the power wire from the grid heater back to the solenoid and disconnect it from there. It won't cycling any more so no worries. Just plug it up when it gets cold and you're good to go.

[@josemejia6645]

If and when you get one do yourself a giant favor and don’t buy one unless it has the Aisin transmission. The 68RFE makes the Cummins worthless with all the torque management bullcrap designed to protect the non-heavy duty transmission.

[@MikkoHamunen]

So, 88% better airflow. Amazing. It's easy to add the same amount of fuel and the power increases by 88%. There is certainly enough demand for such an invention. Expensive and unreliable turbos are no longer needed. This invention revolutionizes the manufacture of aircraft engines and helps piston engines against turbines. I await further information.

[@hough495]

That new coil style intake heater looks like one off of a LB7 Duramax.

[@tryfourlo]

Ouch. Makes you wonder if oem’s are designing bad on purpose. Hot rodding saves the day again👍👍

[@Stubby0266]

Thank you for this information. Order placed and will just have to explain to the "boss" why this purchase was important. Pay little now or alot later.

[@gadsdenconsulting7126]

Just don't tell her a stainless steel bolt to replace the original will also solve the problem! 😂

[@hudsondonnell444]

I'm glad that engine didn't become a boat anchor.

[@surfstarcc1]

Banks makes the best stuff!!!

[@tbthedozer]

Looks like the DFMEA and PFMEA missed a critical point of failure. Why would they not find a way to have that connection outside the intake? I saw a comment about the check engine light being on and that might actually be their response. If the monitor the connection and see that it’s broken there’s some time to fix it before it becomes loose and falls into the engine.. Maybe the me the people that say awww it’s just a heater for cold weather starting don’t worry about it might be wrong in this case? Edit, missed a the when writing the comment 🙄 lol

[@brettcombs774]

Cool now finish the derringer for the new gen that was promised soon in idk like 2020.

[@asheetuglasse]

😂 😂 seriously though it's been forever

[@imatt6566]

Looks like a nice product. For a $1000 I think I can keep the nut captive and out of the cylinder.

[@taylorscott9785]

Never once have I seen this failure working at dodge on the diesel team lol. We have a grid heater RELAY recall open buuuut that’s on the relay under the air box overheating due to an open back on the circuit board allowing it to short out

[@georgeramsey2827]

I guess not enough have been documented by Ram. Would you say this really isnt an issue? Ram does state in a service bulletin not to have the heater on during testing for extended periods, so they do know of the problem.

[@cottonwood4935]

I've owned these cummins since 1994 on my third one (2018) been my and my friends experience, the RAM cummins dealers never see these trucks again after the stealership LOL

[@fredtflail]

The intake flowing higher is great and all but what do you do about the intake log? Removing the heater plate will help but the head casting is what it is. So what can be done about it besides cutting it off and installing a side draft manifold?

[@fuse8052]

This is just amazing. Gale banks is God. He can make power more efficiently and prevent failures. Is there anything he can't do ?

[@yotamonster]

I've never heard this and now my stomach hurts.

[@Ozarkwild]

From my reading.. this is more of an issue in extreme cold climates (negative zero) where the grid heater cycles for much longer periods of time. Do your research guys...

[@craigclarke7579]

Is this failure on all cummins 6.7 engines? I have the B103 6.7 (euro6)

[@neckofthewoods24]

That coils very thin though. With heat cycles could get very weak and break off. What’s to stop it?

[@rw1377]

Are we EVER going to see the Derringer for the newer Rams?

[@Shredxcam22]

This seems like an emissions issue sending corrosive gas down the intake

[@TheRoostersGarage]

When I bought my truck with 200,000 miles it had a blown head gasket and installed a Monster Ram at the same time. The shop said my grid heater fell apart when they touched it to pull it out.

[@ryanburbridge]

How common is this failure? Any recall or updates to design? Just talked my dad into the banks upgrade. He has never added a performance item to any of his vehicles. My parents are on the road full time living out of their travel trailer. Sent him this video and he called and said order him one for me to install when they get back to SoCal to visit in October of this year.

[@skyrimwarrior0196]

I'd like to know how common it is so I'm leaving a comment here. I'm a 6.7L cummins owner.

[@westtexas806]

Why would they recall it? It will last far past warranty stage.

[@westtexas806]

You dad could benefit from many upgrades with milage and reliability. I haul tractors with my truck it's 2007 6.7 I've never had a motor issue. And without anything on the back I get 25mpg. With a triple Axle gooseneck loaded with 8000 series John Deere tractor weighing in at 24,500 lbs. I get 12-13 mpg. I've never broke down because of emissions hardware. Because I have non. Removing the emissions parts will give you the biggest boost in mpg and reliability.

[@westtexas806]

Being from socal your probably limited in what you can do. Be careful with emission standards. You may have a bunch coming down the pipe.

[@ryanburbridge]

@@westtexas806 yeah I’m from SoCal but my pops has relocated to Arkansas. He’s not into upgrades. I reached out to him about this and he talked to another buddy that recommended him save money and just replace the stock part of he’s worried lol 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@ttengineer404]

I wish yall would make an upgrade kit for the older non EGR style Ram Intake for the 4th gens.

[@ronmoore3987]

3 Ram trucks all diesels ,never had the grid heater kill any of my engines

[@michaelbarnard7366]

Really want to add this to my new 2022 but Ive got very big fears that my vehicle warranty will be null and void by doing so.

[@kcbyrd_37]

im right there with you.

[@nottheonlyjustin]

If its under warranty let the dealer worry about it when it fails, if you plan to keep the truck wait until warranty is out then make the swap. It might be a weak point but it should last you a couple of years anyways. I don't think this is like it was with the CP4 where they were exploding 100 miles off the lot.

[@michaelbarnard7366]

Very true. They also have the "wiggle" test to keep an eye on it, hopefully catching it before it fails.

[@iamstable4591]

Mine somehow fell out with a few more parts....it runs great now... 😉

[@bradi5050]

Did dodge ever do a recall?

[@brianfreland9065]

im a new ram 1500 owner and just picked up my truck 3 days ago....any recommends for must upgrades other than running boards, bed covers, and wheels/tires? id like to customize and personalize it but im not sure where to start. its the v6 vortec engine and i upgraded from a stock ford ranger that i ran for years and years and years haha so this is quite a big upgrade for me and i love it so far

[@ec6933]

20. Thousand. Dollars. Wow...and the truck is old enough to maybe not warrant it but new enough probably to.... Man... This is nauseating

[@josemejia6645]

Couldn’t they just find a low mileage or comparable mileage used engine with documented mileage online and warranty? If they are pulling the engine why not just swap it and part it out.

[@dorsk84]

I've known at least 5 or 6 people who very much violated their warranty by mod/fixing issues with their engines/transmissions. EGR deleting, what's DEF, straight pipes, valve plates, ..... The EPA needs to be refocused and out of the automotive field.

[@ctdieselnut]

Or force them to pay for any emissions related repairs and failures due to equipment needed to stay within requirements. But, then taxpayers have to clean up the mess the epa makes, so I guess getting them away from diesel trucks really is the best idea. Its messed up that these exhaust systems add thousands to the cost of new vehicles, and adds a ongoing cost to operate with a dpf system that needs it's own fluid, in a misguided effort to keep the air 'clean.' I'm all for not polluting the environment, but I think in the big picture regulations on light trucks is a drop in the bucket compared to container ships, the military, and commercial aircraft. I also hate the idea that consumers have to foot the bill to pay for these unnecessary parts, and the real kicker is it makes the vehicles way less reliable. Ask any diesel mechanic what percentage of repairs on trucks 10 y.o. or less are related to emissions systems, you'd be shocked.

[@fredtflail]

I replace tons of those grid heaters I've never seen the bolt go inside the engine. My question is how long did they drive with the check engine light on?

[@josemejia6645]

I agree, if that assembly was loose it would have been creating some sort of amp draw above spec and should have indicated a trouble code for it.

[@bruceferrell3394]

This should be a massive recall. It's just a question of when . They know it.

[@TheReal_JohnDoeSmith]

I love when BRITISH Canadians use the TERM dollar 💵

[@nathanurick8320]

Is there any diesel shops near Houston Texas that can install banks equipment.

[@cobranatesvt]

So what happens when the heater coil fails and falls into the intake. There is not screen to protect the engine from that... Guess time will tell

[@josemejia6645]

The Airline industry doesn’t place screens in front of Jet Turbines that ingest birds and other foreign object debris. Yet we still pack into an aircraft and blast through the atmosphere in a big ass metal tube. Why would an engine manufacturer even think of placing a screen for the possibility of catastrophic engine failure?! I’m being sarcastic not towards you but towards cost cutting engineering. There’s lots of moving parts that could come apart and ruin anyones day. That grid heater is just one of them. It needs to be recalled!

[@drewmurray2583]

I need to get in touch with these guys. I live a couple hours away and looking for a complete fuel system for a 2007 6.7 3500. Had water in the tank, truck sat afterwards and rusted the high pressure pump, lines, rail, and injectors! looks like aluminum powder and pepper flakes mixed with fuel :-(

[@primitivereptiles]

It’s total BS that Ram knows about this and isn’t willing to fix it or Atleast reimburse us for what ever fix grid heater delete we pick. Even a 50% reimbursement would be appreciated.

[@russellkeast8993]

Will that intake horn and grid heater void my warranty on my 22 3500?

[@Dieselmd2008]

Awesome stuff took me only 8 months for my to finally arrive

[@CaliLifeTCG]

Amazing I can’t wait to own my 3500 I got a 1500 rn half way through paying it off

[@miketaylor6282]

“Was” one of our techs?? Hayden must’ve been fired immediately after filming this job. 03:21 😂😂😂

[@privateparty4900]

Seems like leaving that grid heater in place is pretty much a death sentence. Note to self.

[@calvinnewberry5915]

What years are effected with this defect?

[@22minus13]

This makes me want a ram diesel

[@agoodneighborautorepair2176]

wow very nice improvement

[@xuv5607]

The better question to ask is Why didn't this problem get a recall from Ram?

[@tryduck6993]

It all depends on the amount of vehicles that iot is happening to and why. They do not just roll out a recall if say 15000 trucks have this problem.Has to me much larger and has to be trucks from all over. If its just from cold areas then it wont be a recall , it will be a TSB issued.

[@jbreefer148]

I always feared diesel engine runnaway but I'm wondering why are they so rare? And how does modern diesels avoid the dreaded runaway either from a broken turbo seal or anything else? Please let me know. I ❤️ diesel engines but I don't like runaway diesels.

[@theKashConnoisseur]

Modern computing power has made ECUs so much better at metering and monitoring engine performance. In modern consumer diesel vehicles, there are safeguards built into the programming which generally prevent runaway conditions long before the engines can actually take off uncontrolled. Instead of running away, a modern engine will be more likely to enter a "limp mode" and activate your "Check Engine" lights. But in generations past, with more aspects of the car under mechanical control rather than digital, older engine control systems had no way of detecting and preventing runaway conditions. This allowed poorly maintained and unserviced diesels that were under heavy use to occasionally (but spectacularly) runaway.

[@chrisleggett685]

@@theKashConnoisseur a run away is caused by some sort of unmetered fuel. Usually engine oil. No amount of engine management can prevent that.

[@954dsm25psi]

I had a t660 Kenworth do the run away up in Wyoming leaving the walmart distribution center by the Loves truck stop. Luckly i just had to replace the turbo because i ripped off the intake and shoved my shirt into the turbo. Only way i know because of my dad

[@theKashConnoisseur]

@@chrisleggett685 I know what causes runaway lol. Doesn't negate what I said. ECU can detect the presence of excess hydrocarbons in the exhaust and after trying to pull fuel from the fuel air mixture and seeing no change, it can start pulling timing and limiting power and RPM, while also limiting the intake air stream. Modern ECUs can also use an automatic transmission to moderate RPM. All which will prevent a runaway from occurring. Of course, if you have a modified engine running a custom tune, all that goes out of the window since you basically have negated the factory safeties built into the factory programming. This is strictly for a modern engine, of course, as per the OP's question. Obviously some clapped out turbodiesel from the 80s or 90s isn't going to be able to prevent its own demise.

[@NBSV1]

The mechanical diesels could runaway because of problems with the pump/governor. If it stuck at full fuel it would runaway on its own fuel supply and injectors. Since modern ones are electronic there’s nothing to stick with the injectors that would cause a full runaway. Also, with all the emissions it tends to cause problems from ingesting oil before the problem gets bad enough to really make it run away. They don’t often start blowing a bunch of oil into the intake suddenly. So, it’s a combination of things that makes a pretty rare event even more rare.